Newbie Bowl polishing question

[poncho-pwr]

Hi guys, just wanted to say hi and ask a quick question. I have the pump apart right now and I am thinking about polishing the bowl, steering nozzle and tiller arm but I don't really know the best way to go about doing it. I sprayed everything with aircraft stripper and removed most of the black powder coating or whatever it is but I don't know what to do know. Help and ideas would be very much welcomed.

[cave]

Hey you may want to PM 396_ways_to_spit. He did his last year. I remember its was tough but the end results were awesome

[YeLLowBoaT]

its not that hard... it is however alot of dirty work. normally you start with sand paper/ grinder... seeing how this is a pump 400 - 600 wet sanding will start you off. one you have every thing smoothed out. Wash every thing very well. Them move on to the 1st of 4 compounds.( black brown white red)
Washing and changing pads in between every compound. or you could just shell out 300- 500 to have some 1 else do it. If you have never done it b4 it will most likly take you 3 days to get it done.

[YeLLowBoaT]

What size pontiac do you have in your boat.... I have a 65 421 HO going in mine....

[poncho-pwr]

Where do I get this black/brown/white/red polish?
Yellowboat- I do not have a pontiac in my boat right now but I plan on putting one in a boat someday. I am a Pontiac nut and have built/raced them for years. I have a large stockpile of Pontiac parts including the hard to find stuff and I build them for other people as well as sell parts. I have a really nice 501" motor with splayed caps, billet crank, Crower rods, custom Venolia blower pistons, KRE prepped Edelbrock CNC Wide-port heads w/T&D shaft rocker system, mech roller cam, BDS 10-71 and two boost refrenced 950's that I would like to put in a boat. It will be going in rear engine dragster later this month for some play time.

[502 JET]

I have purchased supplies from a auto swapmeet before there were a several dealers at the last one I went to.I have also purchased large compound bars at a truck stop.I did a quick search and forun this place http://www.caswellplating.com/buffs/. check there or do a search and you will come up with alot of places to purchase your supplies.A polished pump looks cool alot of work for something that you will get to enjoy on the trailer and you wont see when driving the boat.Buffing aluminum is definitely a DIRTY JOB. 502 jet

[poncho-pwr]

A polished pump looks cool alot of work for something that you will get to enjoy on the trailer and you wont see when driving the boat.Buffing aluminum is definitely a DIRTY JOB. 502 jet
Yeah, but all those people I pass will be able to see it! Thanks for the information. I am only going to polish from the bowl back because you can see very little of my pump housing(the hand hole clean out is barely outside) and my pump housing is only two years old so the coating on it is still nice.

[Ken F]

I dunno.......
When I built my new Cheyenne, I bought a polished Agressor Pump, nozzle, everything. Looked good for about 2 1/2 trips to the lake.
It was supposed to have a protectant on it from Agressor, but I went ahead and applied zoopseal to it also.
I sure would not do it again. I'm thinking of powder coating the whole thing.
Ken F

[poncho-pwr]

Is the upkeep really that bad?? I wonder what it would cost to have the bowl, steering housing, nozzle and tiller arm chromed, or if it is possible to chrome them???????

[beerjet]

Is the upkeep really that bad?? I wonder what it would cost to have the bowl, steering housing, nozzle and tiller arm chromed, or if it is possible to chrome them???????
I was debating that same thing but all I could see in my head was the chrome starting to flake and then becoming a disaster.
-beerjet-

[502 JET]

You could always go for that brushed aluminum look.Just sand smooth and finish with a scotch brite pad it would be much easier to maintain then trying to keep the shine.

[wrenchdaddy]

Im getting ready to polish the panther bowl too, anybody got anymore tips

[502 JET]

Check out the link to the Eastwood company for polishing supplies.They have a forum and tech library.http://www.eastwoodco.com/jump.jsp?itemID=1099&itemType=PRODUCT&path=1%2C3%2C639%2C632&KickerID=67&KICKER 502 JET

[poncho-pwr]

I don't want a brushed look. I may check into chroming it if it is possible and I can get some type of warrenty against it flaking. If the chroming deal can't happen and I decide against polishing it I may just have it powder coated with a metallic candy color or something.

[YeLLowBoaT]

Where do I get this black/brown/white/red polish?
Yellowboat- I do not have a pontiac in my boat right now but I plan on putting one in a boat someday. I am a Pontiac nut and have built/raced them for years. I have a large stockpile of Pontiac parts including the hard to find stuff and I build them for other people as well as sell parts. I have a really nice 501" motor with splayed caps, billet crank, Crower rods, custom Venolia blower pistons, KRE prepped Edelbrock CNC Wide-port heads w/T&D shaft rocker system, mech roller cam, BDS 10-71 and two boost refrenced 950's that I would like to put in a boat. It will be going in rear engine dragster later this month for some play time.
places liek home depot actually carry it Sears does as well... you can ether buy them in a kit or stick by stick. amazon also carrys them.

[YeLLowBoaT]

You wouldn't by chance have a set of intake and exhuast valves that are
1.92 or 1.66 would you?

[poncho-pwr]

You wouldn't by chance have a set of intake and exhuast valves that are
Yep. Lots and lots of them. What year is your 421SD and what head are you running, 540306, 544127, or 9771980 ?

[1968Droptop]

What size pontiac do you have in your boat.... I have a 65 421 HO going in mine....
VERY nice power plant there Yellowboat !!! I've got a little Pontaic blood running through me as well. Both Ford and Pontiac are torgue MONSTERS ! No need to rev 'em up like mouse motors, just gobs of power right off idle.

[YeLLowBoaT]

9770716 63/64 389/421 HO out of a GTO... the block is out of a 65 HO bonnivile.

[YeLLowBoaT]

VERY nice power plant there Yellowboat !!! I've got a little Pontaic blood running through me as well. Both Ford and Pontiac are torgue MONSTERS ! No need to rev 'em up like mouse motors, just gobs of power right off idle.
I have should make some where around 425- 450 at 5k rpms... which is just about perfect for a "A" cut impller. just don't ask how much the pistons cost.... ok 1600 from ross... they have major dishes in them so I could cut down the 12.5 to 1 from the factory to about 9.8 so.

[1968Droptop]

I don't want a brushed look. I may check into chroming it if it is possible and I can get some type of warrenty against it flaking. If the chroming deal can't happen and I decide against polishing it I may just have it powder coated with a metallic candy color or something.
As for the upkeep, it's a lot of work to keep it perfect. I polished everything aluminum on my old GSXR1100 (including the frame !!!). It looked outstanding, but you had to keep up on it or it'd lose it's luster. I'd figure you can chrome it, as you can have aluminum rims chromed. May be pretty pricey though. I think powder coating it would be your best bet IMO, and you can have it match your boat. But make sure you get a powder coater recommended from this forum. I've heard if it's not done right, it'll fall right off :mad:.

[1968Droptop]

I have should make some where around 425- 450 at 5k rpms... which is just about perfect for a "A" cut impller. just don't ask how much the pistons cost.... ok 1600 from ross... they have major dishes in them so I could cut down the 12.5 to 1 from the factory to about 9.8 so.
Yup going to run into a similar prob when I go to rebuild my 350 H.O. Everyone makes 400 pistons, but that seems to be about it. My CR is 11-1, but your 12.5-1 is insane with todays fuels !!!
How cool would it be to see a SD in a boat ???

[YeLLowBoaT]

a "true" SD in boat... can you say $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ last one I saw for sale on ebay went for 12k and was blown up.....

[poncho-pwr]

9770716 63/64 389/421 HO out of a GTO... the block is out of a 65 HO bonnivile.
Oh okay, I thought you might be running SD heads. Are your heads the 72cc version or the 68cc version? The 68cc version had a little bit different size valves. I wish I could have helped you with your pistons. Please hit me up if you ever need something like that again.
Hey 1968 droptop, let me know when you need pistons or anything else.
While we are on the subject of cool Pontiacs, i'll brag a little. I have a complete factory original 71,000 mile 1963 421SD, complete 1970 RA IV, 1971 & 72 455HO round port motors and my pride and joy a 69 RA V tunnel port motor, yep, that's right, a RA V! Really guys I can help out a lot on the hard to find stuff. I have a bunch of tri-power stuff and factory 2x4brl stuff as well.

[YeLLowBoaT]

69 cc.... actually compared to every where else I looked ross was the cheapest by far. Its what happends when you go nuts and have parts custom made. I could have goton thier "off the shelf" stuff for around 900, but I wanted to run pump gas. so they made a new forging....

[396_WAYS_TO_SPIT]

Ok I have done 2 bowls and it take some work. If you start with 400 you WILL NOT get anything accomplished!!! Trust me I know. I polished my transom adapter,bowl,droop,wedge and diverter. Here are the steps........
1) apply aircraft stripper to the bowl and scrape the paint/epoxy. You will use a paint scrapper and a wire brush. Try to get all the paint off. You wont get all the green stuff off but most of it.
2) sand the bowl with a variable speed angle grinder. The wheel that you will be starting with is a flat wheel with 37 grit paper in it. You must slow the speed of the grinder to avoid "dishes" in the bowl. Also keep the grinder moving at all times and follow the contour of the bowl. Keep working it untill you get all the green "epoxy/paint" off!
3) Change the wheel to a 80 git wheel and continue to follow step 2. you will see alot of the deep scratches being removed.
4) Get a palm sander and load it with 80 grit paper. Follow the same steps as tep 2. This will get the last steps scratches a little smoother. You must get the whole bowl smoother than the last step or the scratches will show!!!
5) Change paper to 120 grit and proceed with sanding.
6) Change paper to 180 grit and proceed with sanding.
7) Change paper to 220 grit and proceed with sanding.
8) Change paper to 320 grit and proceed with sanding.
9) Change paper to 400 grit and proceed with sanding.
10) Change paper to 600 grit and proceed with sanding.
11) Change paper to 800 grit and proceed with sanding. Use dawn dish soap and water.
12) Change paper to 1000 grit and proceed with sanding. Use dawn dish soap and water.
13) Change paper to 1500 grit and proceed with sanding. Use dawn dish soap and water.
14) Put a wheel on buffer and polish with a green stick.
15) Change wheel to a soft wheel and polish with a red stick.
Keep polishing untill your sweat hit the part and the sweat boils off!!!;)
When finished run with flour and wipe to a shine;) Have fun because you WILL respect a person that polishes when your finished :eek: :eek:
Products that you will be needing are......
1- can of "aircraft" stripper
1- angle grinder (variable speed)
1- palm sander
3- 37 grit sanding wheels
3- 80 grit sanding wheels
sh!t load of sand paper!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
1- bench polisher/grinder
3-4 firm polishing wheels
6-10 soft polishing wheels
1- pair of goggles
1- set of old clother and make sure that you wear long sleeves. Polishing gets really messy!!!!!!!!!

[396_WAYS_TO_SPIT]

Here are the pics to help you if you need to see what the process was.....
1) THis is what it looks like with the aircraft stripper eating the paint/epoxy.Notice how it hardly affects the green epoxy paint!!
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/521/239P1010001121.JPG
2) during the scraping...
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/521/239P10100024848.JPG
3) As you can tell it takes work to scrape!!!
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/521/239p1010004.JPG
4) Here is the grinder and snading wheel. Notice the knob on the switch? That allows you to slow the speed down.
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/521/239p1010006.JPG
5) Look closely at the sanding marks.Remember to keep the grinder moving!!!!
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/521/239p1010005.JPG
6)This is still 37 grit! I saved the hardest part last.
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/521/239p1010007.JPG
7) This is after sanding with about 220 grit and the palm sander.
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/521/239pump13.jpg

[poncho-pwr]

Thank you 396, now that is the kind of info I was looking for. You did leave out on important thing though, about how many beers will it take to do this project? Whenever I take on a new project I like to estimate time in beers drank........

[396_WAYS_TO_SPIT]

Here are pics of the finshed product along with others.....
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/521/239polpump6.jpg
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/521/239polpump5.jpg
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/239pump1.JPG
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/239pump3.JPG
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/239pump4.JPG
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/239pump5.JPG
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/239pump6.JPG

[396_WAYS_TO_SPIT]

Thank you 396, now that is the kind of info I was looking for. You did leave out on important thing though, about how many beers will it take to do this project? Whenever I take on a new project I like to estimate time in beers drank........
Anytime;) I will always offer help when I can;) There are a few board members that think I dont offer anything to the forums :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: I wont call out any names though;) I dont rember how many beers that project took. The sad thing is that when my impeller went south it took out that puuuuuurdy bowl :cry: :cry: Now I have to do it all over again with my new bowl :cry: I will post pics as I go;)
396

[poncho-pwr]

What do you do to keep it looking good? Is it really that difficult to maintain or is it just something you do after every lake trip so that it doesn't get bad?

[396_WAYS_TO_SPIT]

If you guys want info Ive got it. This camera sucked so it doesnt show how nice the bowl was.Here are more pics of a different bowl.....
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/521/239bowlwk1-med.jpg
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/521/239bowlwk11-med.jpg
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/521/239bowlwk260g-med.jpg
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/521/239bowlwk360g-med.jpg
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/521/239bowlwkpolish-med.jpg
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/521/239bowlwkpolish2-med.jpg

[396_WAYS_TO_SPIT]

What do you do to keep it looking good? Is it really that difficult to maintain or is it just something you do after every lake trip so that it doesn't get bad?
Once you get it nice and puuuuurdy then you just have to lightly hit it once a week. You dont have to rub it very hard to keep it nice. Just give it some light attention;) This is what I use and this stuff works bitchin. 460 jus getn it just used this product on his jethot coated headers and they shine like new money;) You can buy this at any autozone and its $4 a jar....
http://i20.ebayimg.com/04/i/06/c2/84/a0_1.JPG

[Ken F]

396, what do you plan on putting on it to keep it shiny? Any tricks up your sleeve? Great polishing job by the way!
I'd really like to get my setup Chromed also, but finding somewhere to do it is the shits
Most of the new rims are done with a process called Permaseal. If you do a google search you will find them right at the top. The owner tells me that it is really a specialized process that you have to have a vacume canister to put the part in and it must be sprayed on under vacume. Otherwise it seems to be almost like powdercoat only WAY more shiney. Looks just like Chrome.
They dont have a vacume machine tall enough to do a bowl at this time.
Ken F
PS- Here is before, and 2 1/2 weeks later
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/3084/8785520DCP_4148cr.jpg
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/3084/878Overall2.JPG

[Heatseeker]

... and 2 1/2 weeks later
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/3084/878Overall2.JPG
That's why I repainted my bowl and nozzle. After all the work of getting it too shine, I was too lazy to do the work to keep it that way. The dull look just didn't do it for me.

[396_WAYS_TO_SPIT]

396, what do you plan on putting on it to keep it shiny? Any tricks up your sleeve? Great polishing job by the way!
I'd really like to get my setup Chromed also, but finding somewhere to do it is the shits
Most of the new rims are done with a process called Permaseal. If you do a google search you will find them right at the top. The owner tells me that it is really a specialized process that you have to have a vacume canister to put the part in and it must be sprayed on under vacume. Otherwise it seems to be almost like powdercoat only WAY more shiney. Looks just like Chrome.
They dont have a vacume machine tall enough to do a bowl at this time.
Ken F
PS- Here is before, and 2 1/2 weeks later
Ken I just hit it once a week and its all good. The last time I went out I forgot to polish it and it looks decent but it wont take lonk to bring it back;) Your looks like the stuff you put on had a reaction to the alkalides :eek: :eek: Chrome is very nice but it costs $$$$$$$ and I have seen it peel off before.

[396_WAYS_TO_SPIT]

A faster way to polish it would be to put it in a lathe and turn it down just enough to get the paint off. This is what I will be doing in the next few weeks. Its alot faster and less time consumming;)

[Heatseeker]

396, nice work BTW!
I used the lathe and some 80 grit to finish my bowl. That was after about three coats of stripper! Whatever Berk used on their bowls was tough stuff!!!

[1968Droptop]

Hey 1968 droptop, let me know when you need pistons or anything else.
While we are on the subject of cool Pontiacs, i'll brag a little. I have a complete factory original 71,000 mile 1963 421SD, complete 1970 RA IV, 1971 & 72 455HO round port motors and my pride and joy a 69 RA V tunnel port motor, yep, that's right, a RA V! Really guys I can help out a lot on the hard to find stuff. I have a bunch of tri-power stuff and factory 2x4brl stuff as well.
I'll remember you when I need pistons. It'll be a while though, we're going to sell the house we just built and build another. We'll come real close to paying cash for the second one !!! Then the money spending can really start :220v:. Do you by chance have an Oct-Nov date coded alt n starter ? I'me bring my 350 H.O. back to showroom stock. Been stock piling parts for a couple 4 years now. Found a date code correct WK (manual 350 H.O.) block 2 years ago in PA. It was mostly complete, and I picked up a spare set of #18 heads (you got any of those rare things ???). Did you take a peek at my Bird ?
I'd brag too if I had those cars in my hands :cool: :cool: :cool:. And a REAL RAV engine, man I'm drooling all over my comp !!! The other Poncho I've got is a `75 T/A, nothing special (yet), 400, auto, `79 4WD rear, A/C Tilt, PW, and rear defogger. I plan on building a nice 455 to drop under the hood and make it look as stock as possible. Got any factory aluminum intakes laying around :cool: .

[1968Droptop]

Here are pics of the finshed product along with others.....
Damn 396, NICE WORK. All the time you put into was well worth it, that looks
OUTSTANDING !!! I'll buy the beer if you do the polishing :rollside: .

[wrenchdaddy]

Has anyone tried to clear coat a polished bowl. I heard that it might yellow if you use the wrong clear coat. I know getting it to stick would be tricky on a surface like a mirror but can it be done?

[poncho-pwr]

I'll remember you when I need pistons. It'll be a while though, we're going to sell the house we just built and build another. We'll come real close to paying cash for the second one !!! Then the money spending can really start . Do you by chance have an Oct-Nov date coded alt n starter ? I'me bring my 350 H.O. back to showroom stock. Been stock piling parts for a couple 4 years now. Found a date code correct WK (manual 350 H.O.) block 2 years ago in PA. It was mostly complete, and I picked up a spare set of #18 heads (you got any of those rare things ???). Did you take a peek at my Bird ?
I will check and see if I can help you out on the alt and starter. And yes I have a complete set of 18s as well as three sets of 48s which are 1969 325horse 350 heads. I have 112 sets of cylinder heads out back. I have at least one set of almost everything pontiac made as far as cylinder heads go. The only set of pontiac heads I don't own and would really like to have are the Mickey Thompson Hemi heads. I know where three sets of them are but I haven't had any luck getting them bought. I also have 57 blocks that are all good useable pieces and some of them are very hard to find pieces also.
396, you do good work my man and thanks again for the info.

[396_WAYS_TO_SPIT]

396, nice work BTW!
I used the lathe and some 80 grit to finish my bowl. That was after about three coats of stripper! Whatever Berk used on their bowls was tough stuff!!!
Thaanks for the compliment;) The lathe is the easiest way of going about it. Thats how I will be doing it for now on. I would like to buy that "green stuff" in other colors from them. THat stuff is very strong!!!!!!!!!!

[396_WAYS_TO_SPIT]

Damn 396, NICE WORK. All the time you put into was well worth it, that looks
OUTSTANDING !!! I'll buy the beer if you do the polishing :rollside: .
Thanks :cool: :cool: Hmmmm you buy the beer??? Let me sleep on that:D

[1968Droptop]

Thanks :cool: :cool: Hmmmm you buy the beer??? Let me sleep on that:D
LOL ! Just pitchin you shit 396 ! If your anything like me, the hourly rate would be much cheaper :rollside: :rollside: :rollside: .
Hell I'd love to pay someone in beer what you did, that would be the steal of the century !!! The time one puts into thier own boat (or hobby of choice) is uncompinsatable. It's a labor of love, as soon as a price has been put on it, the value goes down (in most cases). The amount of 'love' you put into your pump is right there for the world to see....the rest of us are only jealous !

[SmokinLowriderSS]

That was one seriously sweet polishing job 396. My hat is off to you on that. Beautiful assembled pump you had there. :) :) :) :)

[signmaster]

very nice job , how did you get the detail work so good around the lettering and such every time I polish something i end up with black around the tight stuff?

[396_WAYS_TO_SPIT]

LOL ! Just pitchin you shit 396 ! If your anything like me, the hourly rate would be much cheaper :rollside: :rollside: :rollside: .
Hell I'd love to pay someone in beer what you did, that would be the steal of the century !!! The time one puts into thier own boat (or hobby of choice) is uncompinsatable. It's a labor of love, as soon as a price has been put on it, the value goes down (in most cases). The amount of 'love' you put into your pump is right there for the world to see....the rest of us are only jealous !
I know your just jerkin my chain;) I just hate paying someone for something I can do myself. When you finish something and it looks good it makes you feel good inside. The bad thing is that I am redoing my whole boat because it didnt satisfy my taste last year. This year it should look bitchin;)
396

[396_WAYS_TO_SPIT]

That was one seriously sweet polishing job 396. My hat is off to you on that. Beautiful assembled pump you had there. :) :) :) :)
Thanks smokin' the sad thing is that its disassembled. I am adding more nicer pieces;)
396

[396_WAYS_TO_SPIT]

very nice job , how did you get the detail work so good around the lettering and such every time I polish something i end up with black around the tight stuff?
Use one light wheel and it will work around the tight spots. Thats when the work get tricky;)

[396_WAYS_TO_SPIT]

Bump for the newbies that need info!!!!

[RECORD7JET]

Yup going to run into a similar prob when I go to rebuild my 350 H.O. Everyone makes 400 pistons, but that seems to be about it.
Here's a link for new forged 350 pistons that just recently came out.
They also have stroker pistons to make the 350's into a 390 using a 4" stroke.
http://pacificperformanceracing.com/comersus/store/comersus_dynamicIndex.asp
I believe the owner Ken or "Ace" either can get them dished or dish them for you if needed.

[RECORD7JET]

Oh okay, I thought you might be running SD heads. Are your heads the 72cc version or the 68cc version? The 68cc version had a little bit different size valves. I wish I could have helped you with your pistons. Please hit me up if you ever need something like that again.
Hey 1968 droptop, let me know when you need pistons or anything else.
While we are on the subject of cool Pontiacs, i'll brag a little. I have a complete factory original 71,000 mile 1963 421SD, complete 1970 RA IV, 1971 & 72 455HO round port motors and my pride and joy a 69 RA V tunnel port motor, yep, that's right, a RA V! Really guys I can help out a lot on the hard to find stuff. I have a bunch of tri-power stuff and factory 2x4brl stuff as well.
poncho-pwr & YellowBoat,
Its good to see other Pontiac guys or Pontiac powered boats here. Now I don't feel so out of place.
poncho-pwr,
I had a 474 RA V (#44 not the 303's) motor that was going in my bird. But sold the whole set up around the first part of last year. To fund another project. I wouldn't have sold them if I didn't know that a better new aluminum version is to be out soon. Im the West coast distributor for them.
You may already know but Steve Barcak (<sp) has a rare 72' Hondo V-drive with an original rare blown M/T "Hemi" Pontiac in it. You can see it in this link:
http://www.pontiacheaven.org/boats.htm
He has other sets oh Pontiac hemi's that I believe he'll be racing this year.
My 455 in my jet boat ran great. It did 84mph @ 5400rpm's with just a 525lift / 250 @50 Ultradyne solid cam RPM intake & rewarder headers.
I hope to have a new aluminum Pontiac Butler 540 by next year. But thats what I told myself last year. :rolleyes:
Now I'm telling myself it will be next year. :cry:

[460Panther]

First off, nice work on the polshing. I did adapt a small buffer wheel to fit my Makita 5" Disc sander(5,000 RPM). It saved hours of time that would have been spent holding up parts against my buffer. Heres a couples pics of my old Panther.

[460Panther]

There is a coating available (Black on mine) called POR-15. similar to paint. If you use the companies prep/degreaser it holds like powder coat. I used a brush to apply it, it is selff leveling, dries in a couple hours. But most importantly is that it absorbs moisture to cure. As apposed to most finishes that evaporate a solvent to harden.

[maxwedge]

There is a coating available (Black on mine) called POR-15. similar to paint. If you use the companies prep/degreaser it holds like powder coat. I used a brush to apply it, it is selff leveling, dries in a couple hours. But most importantly is that it absorbs moisture to cure. As apposed to most finishes that evaporate a solvent to harden.
POR-15 isn't UV stable. Did you coat over it with something else?

[460Panther]

Yes, I did the final coat with Their Gloss Black top coat. Its been running in the waters of northern cal for coming up on its 3rd season. And no signs of peeling at all. If you use their coatings, wear rubber gloves. I have almost forgotten the 2 weeks it took to wear the paint off my elbows and knuckles. LOL!!

[poncho-pwr]

RECORD7JET, yes I know Barcak, and I also have a set of the M/T hemi heads as well as a high nickle 421 block. One of these days I want to use those pieces to build a nostalgia top fuel car. Do you have any pictures of the Pontiac in your boat? Did you make your front timing cover/plate mount or did you find a Pontiac marine version like Barcak has?

[RECORD7JET]

Poncho,
I have a Glenwood front marine mount. Back when I got it running they were still available. I had Dave at GT boats check & he said he could get them. I was just checking because I was looking into getting a Rogers boat at the time & wanted to put a 455 in it also. Then both my & the wife could cruise the lake at the same time with both boats.
My boat had a 454 in it when I got it & did 79mph (80 once :rolleyes: ) it had better flowing heads & bigger cam. So Im guessing the Torque & weight difference made the it faster. Usually tossing a fat guy out only gave me 2mph more with the 454 in it & that's about the weight difference between the two motors. So the Torque may be the only way to explain the other 2mph.
Also the 455 turned the rpms 100 more than the 454.
The 454 had a 3 point mount set up. Which I did some mocking up with the 455 & figured out how to use it instead of the Glenwood front mount. This would make more room in front for the cover & look cleaner. Since the cradle under the motor would use the usual motor mount locations in a car. Then I would use this timing cover:
http://www.hotrodsusa.com/store/product2786.html
I never got around to doing that set up & plan to try it later. I just would like the cleaner appearance & room it would give.
These are pics of when I had it all together. I know the coil looks like cr@p but it was a good conversation piece & reminded me nothings perfect. You can't see the Glenwood mount because of the cover. I used a Chevy T-stat housing because they didn't make one for a Pontiac. That's why it has the hoses coming out to the side instead of the front. But here's a link to something that a guy just made that would prolly correct that issue & make it straight & cleaner looking. It wasn't around when I was looking for it years ago.
It ran at 140* all the time with no adjustments & worry free.
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y179/TunnelPort/Boatmotor455with62s.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y179/TunnelPort/boatpic.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y179/TunnelPort/boatrear.jpg

[RECORD7JET]

I dont have a pic of just the Glenwood mount but if you needed it I could tak a pic. It would most likely be tomarrow before I could do it.

[poncho-pwr]

I don't need a pic of the Glenwood deal I was just curious what you ran, I have already made a custom front plate and rear plate to mount to a Lightning rail kit. The Pontiac has got to be the perfect jet boat engine, most people don't realize that they weigh less than most other popular big blocks as well. Any Tom Dick or Harry can gather up parts for a BBC and get it running because there are so many people who deal with chevys to help them. I just like being different and I love Pontiacs, always have. I have a Butler aluminum block sitting in my shop that is going to be a big inch injected alcohol motor for a rear engine dragster. When I get it put together I will e-mail you some pics if you want to see the build up. We are going to document the whole thing for the High Performance Pontiac magazine. It should look pretty cool with an Ederle hat on a custom sheet metal t-ram.

[RECORD7JET]

The Pontiac has got to be the perfect jet boat engine, most people don't realize that they weigh less than most other popular big blocks as well.
Thats right if I get the aluminum 540 with the new aluminum RA V's in just the weight savings over the cast iron 455 should add 2mph if it only had the same power as the 455 did. But the build I have planed will have almost 300hp more with the 540. Then if I can ever get the correct wedge & shoe settings it sould make a fun ride.
I have a Butler aluminum block sitting in my shop that is going to be a big inch injected alcohol motor for a rear engine dragster. When I get it put together I will e-mail you some pics if you want to see the build up.
Sure go ahead & email me the info on the build. I allway's like to read about Poncho builds.

[396_WAYS_TO_SPIT]

bump for the rookies;)

[67weimann]

Looks killer 396. So how long did you have it done before your bowl let go?

[79centurion]

Ive got a 69 firebird with a pontiac 350 in it. It runs low 11s with a 150 shot. It as all steel. I would love to put a pontiac in my boat. Does anyone know if mounts are still avaible, or do I have to make my own?
Dan

[396_WAYS_TO_SPIT]

Looks killer 396. So how long did you have it done before your bowl let go?
Are you referring to the first bowl?

[67weimann]

Are you referring to the first bowl?
yes, the polished one...just wondering how long you had the polished bowl before it grenaded...curious as to how long you were able to keep it looking good with hitting it once a week...

[396_WAYS_TO_SPIT]

yes, the polished one...just wondering how long you had the polished bowl before it grenaded...curious as to how long you were able to keep it looking good with hitting it once a week...
The impeller grenaded and took the bowl with it. I ran it for about 2 months. If you lightly polish it once a week it will stay nice;)

[rrrr]

There are a few board members that think I dont offer anything to the forums :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: I wont call out any names though....
Hell, I thought those knob polishing lessons you were giving over in Bench Racers were very helpful! :crossx: :D
The fags loved it!!! :skull:

[BigBlockBaja]

396,
Hows it looking now? Still keeping up on it? I'm in the process of polishing mine and I must agree with ya. Its no easy task!

[Blown Income]

My brother-in-laws is polished. F-that way to much work he has to polish it every time it gets wet.

[396_WAYS_TO_SPIT]

396,
Hows it looking now? Still keeping up on it? I'm in the process of polishing mine and I must agree with ya. Its no easy task!
hasnt seen water this summer:cry: One day it will again.....