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burtandnancy
07-19-2004, 05:56 PM
Can you believe those liberals being offended by such obscene language? Have you ever been called anything as bad as this? Lets hope Arnold doesn't fold and apologize...

SHAKE-YO-AZZ
07-19-2004, 05:58 PM
He called like he saw it

Kilrtoy
07-19-2004, 05:59 PM
What do you expect from the ones in frisco, They started the whining....

Froggystyle
07-19-2004, 06:24 PM
Girlymen Offensive?
Only if you are an easily offended girlyman...

Jbb
07-19-2004, 06:38 PM
Originally posted by Froggystyle
Girlymen Offensive?
Only if you are an easily offended girlyman...
Like......um....Riverdave perhaps......:D
Just kidding Dave....;)

Dr. Eagle
07-19-2004, 06:39 PM
Originally posted by burtandnancy
Can you believe those liberals being offended by such obscene language? Have you ever been called anything as bad as this? Lets hope Arnold doesn't fold and apologize...
Note: Only those that ARE girly men were offended...
LOSERS!:p

Infomaniac
07-19-2004, 06:46 PM
Originally posted by Froggystyle
Girlymen Offensive?
Only if you are an easily offended girlyman...
My thoughts exactly.
Truth hurts sometimes. And when it hurts you confirm truth to the statement. :D

rrrr
07-19-2004, 06:52 PM
Today former Georgia Senator Max Cleland referred to President Bush as a liar and a "Macho Man", clearly a reference to the hit song by the 80's gay group, The Village People.
I found his reference patently offensive and homophobic. Since Cleland is a Vice Chairman of the Kerry Campaign, I demand an immediate apology from Cleland and Senator Kerry.
Think I'll get it?
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

kahanamoko
07-19-2004, 07:06 PM
No more offensive or perhaps true than saying Arnold is "all muscle and no brains", or that he is a "musclebrained dope". Perhaps less offensive but no less true than saying George W. Bush is a drug sniffing idiot son of a former president. However, although we as citizens can all throw around these insults freely (thank God for free speech), don't you think our elected officials (at least those with an ounce of decency and intelligence) should keep the debate somewhat intellectual and on point? What does somebody being a girly-man (and I certainly know what that expression means) have to do with their ability to pass a budget. I think I would even vote for a so-called "girly-man" if I thought he had the best interest of the public in mind and the intelligence and commitment to do good things. What the **** does being a "girly-man" have to do with anything other than rallying the support of a bunch of redneck, white-trash, beer swiggin', undereducated right wing republicans? Now, all of the aforementioned and correctly described republicans can respond and identify theirselves. Those republicans that agree (and a few of the enlightened ones will) can also respond and identify theirselves as the enlightened few.

Dr. Eagle
07-19-2004, 07:34 PM
Originally posted by kahanamoko
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That is what was worth quoting out of that RIDICULOUS rant. Welcome aboard Kahanamoko... prepare for the Bbq.

Tinkerer
07-19-2004, 07:40 PM
KAHO - Typical liberal ass.
ALL FLAME AND " NO " CONTRIBUTION TO THE FORUM.
At least the Republicans have some gray matter between their ears.
All the Liberals do is rehash what they are told.
Liberals make very good parots.
KERRY WANT SOME KETSUP

Mandelon
07-19-2004, 07:44 PM
I think we are misunderstanding the point.
It is the girlymen who are offended at being compared to liberal democrats. What could be worse than that? :yuk:

Lake Pirate
07-19-2004, 07:45 PM
I hate to confuse your minds with something as comlicated as facts but....
You guys should reread some of the crap that spews outta yer flapping lips.
I challenge you to debate one single political topic without using personal asides and inflammatory rhetoric. In other words... you have to just debate your viewpoint without insulting people who disagree with you. I doubt you can do it. I know you can't do it.

SHAKE-YO-AZZ
07-19-2004, 07:50 PM
Originally posted by Lake Pirate
I hate to confuse your minds with something as comlicated as facts but....
You guys should reread some of the crap that spews outta yer flapping lips.
I challenge you to debate one single political topic without using personal asides and inflammatory rhetoric. In other words... you have to just debate your viewpoint without insulting people who disagree with you. I doubt you can do it. I know you can't do it.
:confused: :rolleyes:

Mandelon
07-19-2004, 07:50 PM
Originally posted by Lake Pirate
I hate to confuse your minds with something as comlicated as facts but....
You guys should reread some of the crap that spews outta yer flapping lips.
I challenge you to debate one single political topic without using personal asides and inflammatory rhetoric. In other words... you have to just debate your viewpoint without insulting people who disagree with you. I doubt you can do it. I know you can't do it.
You are such a hypocrite. Just like the Moko guy who recently logged on. Complain about insults and name calling and then start right in with your own. You just don't get it.
You even bag on other peoples' spelling.....reread your own.
My lips don't flap, its my fingers that tap.......

Dr. Eagle
07-19-2004, 07:52 PM
Originally posted by Mandelon
You are such a hypocrite. Just like the Moko guy who recently logged on. Complain about insults and name calling and then start right in with your own. You just don't get it.
You even bag on other peoples' spelling.....reread your own.
My lips don't flap, its my fingers that tap.......
Anybody (jordy) have one of those IP address tracing programs... I wonder if Kohonomoko might be a relative of LP....:confused:
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Kilrtoy
07-19-2004, 07:52 PM
Ill debate, But not politics, That is always a lose / lose situation

Lake Pirate
07-19-2004, 07:52 PM
I have reread. I'll come back with about one general condescending remark to every twenty direct personal attacks on me.
I'm supposing you are going to pass on the challenge?

Lake Pirate
07-19-2004, 07:56 PM
There are many topics to choose from. Y'all decide. Doesn't matter to me.
Examples:
Animal rights
Abortion
God
UFO's
Internet Porn
Voter apathy
The Mafia
Modern Catholocism
The Druids
Astronomy
Heavens Gate
Anything?

Dr. Eagle
07-19-2004, 07:57 PM
Originally posted by Lake Pirate
There are many topics to choose from. Y'all decide. Doesn't matter to me.
Examples:
Animal rights
Abortion
God
UFO's
Internet Porn
Voter apathy
The Mafia
Modern Catholocism
The Druids
Astronomy
Heavens Gate
Anything?
How about BOATS?

Lake Pirate
07-19-2004, 07:59 PM
... boats? (Rather linear and non debateable but I'm sure we can turn it nasty somehow?)
I guess you find it offensive to discuss anthing but boats on this website?

Dr. Eagle
07-19-2004, 08:02 PM
no, LP I find you offensive.

Lake Pirate
07-19-2004, 08:04 PM
Lol... I'd love to get you in a poker game.

Dr. Eagle
07-19-2004, 08:06 PM
Originally posted by Lake Pirate
Lol... I'd love to get you in a poker game.
Hmmmmmm interesting.....

mike37
07-19-2004, 08:11 PM
UFO's
ya lets do that one
do you think if I get one of the UFO motors my boat would go triple digits

Mandelon
07-19-2004, 08:13 PM
I worked in the Heaven's Gate house....let's go with that one. :rolleyes: :D :D

rrrr
07-19-2004, 08:13 PM
Originally posted by Lake Pirate
....... direct personal attacks on me..........
You are a legend in your own mind. Quit being a 21st Century Joan of Arc and contribute something.
Every subject you post on contains that same "poor me" reference.
Be a man and debate the facts instead of hiding behind the imagined affrontery of your position.

Dr. Eagle
07-19-2004, 08:13 PM
Originally posted by mike37
UFO's
ya lets do that one
do you think if I get one of the UFO motors my boat would go triple digits
Possibly would go so fast the fiberglass would melt.
Maybe one of those little gray skinned big eyed guys will come take LP home...

beyondhelpin
07-19-2004, 08:14 PM
I will take internet porn for $100, Alex

Lake Pirate
07-19-2004, 08:14 PM
If I have a vote...of what's been mentioned I'd pick Heavens Gate. The only problem is that is the only subject we would all agree. Better off dead.

Dr. Eagle
07-19-2004, 08:16 PM
Originally posted by Lake Pirate
If I have a vote...of what's been mentioned I'd pick Heavens Gate. The only problem is that is the only subject we would all agree. Better off dead.
Well if that's what you want, you first......

Lake Pirate
07-19-2004, 08:16 PM
rrr...I do debate the facts. I don't care about y'all's jeuvenile barbs or I'd of run away crying two weeks ago. I find arrogance and ignorance entertaining. You are like Steve Martin in cyberspace.

Dr. Eagle
07-19-2004, 08:18 PM
Originally posted by Lake Pirate
rrr...I do debate the facts. I don't care about y'all's jeuvenile barbs or I'd of run away crying two weeks ago. I find arrogance and ignorance entertaining.
Of course you do you've been spewing it ever since your arrival.

rrrr
07-19-2004, 08:18 PM
Originally posted by Lake Pirate
rrr... do debate the facts. i don't care about y'all's jeuvenile barbs or I'd of run away crying two weeks ago. I fing arrogance and ignorance entertaining.
Bwwwwwaahahahahaha...
I couldn't have asked for a better proof of my point....

Lake Pirate
07-19-2004, 08:20 PM
Keep trying. It's really cute.

Dr. Eagle
07-19-2004, 08:21 PM
Originally posted by Lake Pirate
Keep trying. It's really cute.
Now there's some really legendary arrogance.... very good LP...

Mandelon
07-19-2004, 08:22 PM
Originally posted by Lake Pirate
Keep trying. It's really cute.
Is that one of the general put downs you mentioned?:confused:
Its funny to me that you don't even see that you are just like those you complain about.

mike37
07-19-2004, 08:24 PM
Originally posted by Dr. Eagle
Possibly would go so fast the fiberglass would melt.
Maybe one of those little gray skinned big eyed guys will come take LP home...
Man id need some canopies to go that fast

Dr. Eagle
07-19-2004, 08:24 PM
Originally posted by Mandelon
Is that one of the general put downs you mentioned?:confused:
Its funny to me that you don't even see that you are just like those you complain about.
I've been trying to get that through for some time now Mandy... believe me... he won't get it...

Lake Pirate
07-19-2004, 08:27 PM
We're obviously never going to agree that you are the agressors and I the respondant so...let's move on. I think I'll turn into the troll I am being accused of? I doubt y'all could handle my abusive writing skills. I'm actually going very light on you. I have to be gentle with you because if I turned it on like you guys, there would be a union formed to have me banned and then I wouldn't get to pick on you anymore. Pretty sad huh?
C'ya... I'm moving to the Halle Boppe thread.

Dr. Eagle
07-19-2004, 08:34 PM
Originally posted by Lake Pirate
We're obviously never going to agree that you are the agressors and I the respondant so...let's move on.
We are never going to agree on a lot more than that... And yes, I see you as the arrogant one coming on this board stirring up a fight with the tightie righties, no you are not the respondant, all the time at least... so lets agree on one thing. We aren't going to change each others minds about anything.

Lake Pirate
07-19-2004, 08:37 PM
The Halle Boppe thread idea sucks. It's not topical and there's little to say about it. It almost has to be something current to create a mood for debate.
BTW... I'm pretty sure I'm right about y'all being the blood thirsty werewolves to my Bambi. Can't you see it? :wink:

burtandnancy
07-19-2004, 11:11 PM
I stirred up this pot. Its over....

Rexone
07-19-2004, 11:24 PM
Originally posted by burtandnancy
I stirred up this pot. Its over....
somehow I doubt it. ;)

JustMVG
07-20-2004, 12:01 AM
There have been times i feel like LP is using all of us as a College Psych. course thesis:D
"Hey Teach Watch this" .....

lucky
07-20-2004, 05:47 AM
man tits man tits

SILVERWING
07-20-2004, 06:11 AM
Originally posted by Lake Pirate
Lol... I'd love to get you in a poker game.
WHO CARES WHAT YOU THINK OR SAY

Seadog
07-20-2004, 06:14 AM
I find it amusing that LP is complaining about name calling and avoiding the facts, when that is the Democratic party platform. In Arnold's case, the choice of 'girly-men' in his speech was capitalizing on the popular phrase associated with him.
How many of the Hollywood elite have been vocal about politics? How many of these have actually had the ability to become a politician? I hear a lot of liberals doing a lot of talking, but I only see a few Republicans that have actually done something about it.

Lake Pirate
07-20-2004, 06:22 AM
The democratic platform is very complicated. Not unlike the righties. What I see is the dems trying to solve problems on key issues on the higher level and largely ignoring the local levels...which is a bad thing. As far as the righties go... the lower eschelon (hot dogs such as yourselves) are destroying your party's credibility by constantly bashing the other party as a form of debate thereby looking like you have no real views or solutions on actual issues. Your constituents themselves are well on their way to unaccountable government and a one-party system. Overall... vote green.

Seadog
07-20-2004, 06:58 AM
LP, I do find it amusing that you advocate voting green. They are part and party with the most disinfrancised groups around. Those whose only tactic is to deny our rights as citizens. Almost all of them are single issue groups that use terrorist tactics to create additional costs and hardships on those who often can least afford it.
What is the most ridiculous part of these groups is that they never compromise. It is not because of high principles, but because if they come to a solution, there is no more cause. There is no more publicity and there is no more donations to the great battle. I remember when the Republicans offered Bill Clinton a funding bill that was almost identical to what the Democrats originally proposed. Instead of focusing on the similarities, the Democrats jumped all over the minor differences and magnified them. And the media ate it up.
You are right, in that the smaller issues are not being tended to. The liberals cannot win a battle of logic, so they attack personas. As long as the democrats are more concerned with showing that they are not Republicans, we will never have the functioning society most want.

HCS
07-20-2004, 07:03 AM
Who would be dumb enough to actually admit that comment
was directed at them.:D
Only a Democrat.

Lake Pirate
07-20-2004, 07:06 AM
Was that our Seadog? Dayum.... that was actually concise, logical and lucid. I also agree.

Bow Tie Omega
07-20-2004, 07:17 AM
I love how the dems took a simple insult directed at them and turned it into a gay bashing session sponsored by Arnold.

Tom Brown
07-20-2004, 07:23 AM
Once girlymen blows over, I hope someone uses the term 'fraidycat'.

DoubleDown
07-20-2004, 08:15 AM
Lake Pirate, I'm curious as to what rights you think animals should have...

Mandelon
07-20-2004, 08:36 AM
What I see is the dems trying to spend money to solve problems that their left leaning "progresses" has caused. The government sponsored social "assistance" that has resulted in the relative dependence on handouts by so many.
The left has catered to special interests, buying their votes with a union style palate of workers rights and generous benefits for those groups and immigrants. Equally disturbing is the apparent laziness of public and government workers and the rampant feeding of special interests at the public trough. The fleecing of the taxpayers to fund pork barrel projects and useless studies, etc, it goes on and on. This is not what the founding fathers envisioned.
Not to say that the right hasn't had their share of pocket liners as well. The good old boy network is alive and well on both sides of the aisle. All waste, mismangament and graft at our expense is disgusting.
I will just plagiarize the rest of LP's post since I only had to change one word to make it even more true........
As far as the lefties go... the lower eschelon (hot dogs such as yourselves) are destroying your party's credibility by constantly bashing the other party as a form of debate thereby looking like you have no real views or solutions on actual issues.
Your legislators themselves are well on their way to unaccountable government and a one-party system. Overall... vote the libs out if you want to save the country. Look what goes on in the rest of the socialist countries.....do you like it? Then why emulate it......
:confused:

Lake Pirate
07-20-2004, 08:45 AM
There's a pretty long list DoubleDown.
I am against using animals for testing outside of disease control.
I am opposed to fur coats.
I am staunchly offended by irresponsible ownership.
I am against whaling.
I am against uncontrolled hunting.
I detest fisherman who throw the "little ones" on shore to die.
I am opposed to zoos but I'm ok with maintaining a threatened species within a controlled environment.
I cannot stand trophy hunters nor the sport itself.
I think people who run over animals on purpose i.e. squirrels, coons, turtles et al are criminals and should be treated thusly.
I am OK with harvesting beef. I see it as necessary.
I am OK with using animals for research against disease control.
I am OK with using their natural abilities for the good of mankind. (Like police dogs, rescue dogs, etc.)
I'm ok with hunting as long as it's controlled like most fishing and deer hunting.
There's prolly more but that's pretty much it off the top of my head.

Steamin' Rice
07-20-2004, 08:50 AM
Originally posted by Froggystyle
Girlymen Offensive?
Only if you are an easily offended girlyman...
EXACTLY!!
I was watching the news this morning and I saw some guy whining saying that the comment was offensive to women.. WTF?? :confused:

BUSTI
07-20-2004, 11:19 AM
lake pirate,
you are a liar and a distorter of facts. On several issues I have challenged you with ideas and you have responded with witless humor because either you couldn't answer the questions I raised or you only were interested in starting shit. Either way you are clearly a cyber pest who is more interested in image over substance. You say shit because it sounds good....not because it really means something.
I'll give you an example. In one of your early posts you in a thread about politics..........you made an ignorant claim, that you must have heard from some commie college professor, that we should scrap the two party system and start all over! I challenged you to demonstrate any were in mans history where by a society other than the good ol US of A two party system coupled to capitalism had provided more wealth, health care, personal freedoms, more inventions, more food, more property rights, than America had. I concurred that the government was to big and we should return the fed govt to its founding fathers original plan for the fed govt to:
1. Protect the US, its citizens, and its interests from foreign attack
2. Provide for the domestic tranquilty
3. Etablish a currency and a standard of weights and measures
4. Provide for a court system to prosecute crimminals and arbitrate civil disputes.
I asked you for what you thought. I was excited about debating the issues with somebody from the left. Instead what I got from you was some bullshit reference to my age, my roll top desk, and then you poked fun of my name as that meant some thing. You then finished by asking me if I was a man or a woman.
I then realized that you were no more than a leftist bullshit collectivist like so many before that when confronted with facts resorted to personal attacks. Look as I said then just because you enjoyed your verbal advantage tapes words really do mean things.
I also challenged you on the Palestinian issues and once again you failed to offer a real answer to my questions. All I got from you was glib bullshit no real ideas.
Now like a girlieman you whine when spamked by all the right thinking men and woman on this board. I suggest you read somebody other than Hillary Clinton and do your self a favor and start reading Aristotle, Adam Smith, Thomas Jefferson, Ayan Rand, Milton Freidman, and Lenard Piekoff just for starters. Then an only then if you can say after reading these authors complete volumes of work you can still say that commie collectivist bullshit.......well then go back and read them all over again because you weren't paying attention the first time.
The flames you get here you deserve because your ideas and what you say is with out value or philosophy....namely American values. I would bet other than with Aaron Brown of CNN the ideas you put forward here are shit on by every person you say them to.......except the Texoma weekly commie bullshit meeting.......which I am sure you never miss! :yuk: :mad: :D

sizzlingcell
07-20-2004, 11:43 AM
This so called Pirate is a shame to the true nature of a Pirate. Please choose another logo as it reflects on true Pirate lovers across the land...Girly Boy would be a good one! Arrrg...

Lake Pirate
07-20-2004, 12:02 PM
Gee Busti... a bit testy aren't we? I challenge the redundancy of your questions. If you weren't such a lazy shit and read the threads you'd of seen every question you ask (and reask) had already been answered. Sometimes twice!
You see only what you want to see. (Not unlike your bretheren here at the forum.) Unfortuneatley for you and the high horse you rode in on... I do read. Do interpret it the same as you. Hopefully not? Do I care what you think? Definitely not! You are trying to mislead the fans with vacuuous and misleading information. I never shy away from a good debate. If I don't answer you it's because you peppered your post with inocuous accusations and self gratifying incoherency. Not because I didn't want to discuss the issue. You get what you give. All I've seen from you is you puffing out your chest for your high school fans. On my behalf I could care less if you're a tough guy or not.
If you want to discuss a particular issue then start a thread and react civilly if you disagree with me. If you continue to be a jackass then I will return in kind. (True with most of you.)

Froggystyle
07-20-2004, 12:05 PM
I have been thinking of this whole troll dynamic, and why the right is so easily drawn into it. I have said this before, so for those of you paying attention... sorry.
The right wing/conservatives/Republicans/etc... has one major difference from the left wing/liberal/Democrats. It tries to solve problems, using abilities they have today. The Right wing (heretofore abbreviated as RW) is generally committed to finding solutions, addressing issues, and although time may show that they may have been wrong, they are generally willing to risk defeat to also risk success. The RW is willing to be take the chance of being wrong.
In stark contrast, the LW seems to be very good at identifying problems. They tend to look for chinks in the armor, and though it is annoying to people who actually make decisions... it does allow us to see problems that we may not have ever seen as we are busy solving them. It is one of the reasons why the left is so good at creating quasi-fact based arguments. This is the way they get attention paid to their "problems".
Every now and then, the LW ability to identify and exploit problems created by the people busy solving them allows them to get into higher office. California and New York are blatently obvious microcosms of this.
People who are just generally displeased with whatever life they have ended up with enough to leave usually head for the West or East coast... away from things that are basically the same from state to state. Conservative morals, heavy church influence, medium wage benefits, simpler life etc... these are all stereotypical middle American values and realities for most. I have found that most of the people who emigrate from this to California, a state I am most familiar with, tended to be the "rebels" in their hometowns. Troublemakers, activists or otherwise. Not seeing a welcome environment for this stuff... where else would you even consider moving to? Utah? Montana? Mississippi? Not damn likely. Try San Francisco, Venice Beach, Santa Monica, San Diego, Berkeley, Portland, Seattle, New York, Miami, etc... places where this mentality is pervasive already. Places you will find a comforting shoulder to whine with. This may be a place you can affect change... So, you end up with states that are LW majority, even though this is NOT an accurate cross section of the nation. It takes several midwestern states.. damn near all of them in fact to make up for the electoral votes found in California alone.
So, we end up with a Dem in office every now and then. America's short memory allows this, and so we end up with another 4-8 years of the country going backwards (and the lowest classes getting more handouts) and we realize the problem has become bad enough to fix and we get another Republican in to fix the problems. Not everyone likes the method of fixing though, so you end up with discord ususally.
Therin lies the problem with a democracy. Policy is decided on the basis of a quorum. The majority rules... even though the vast majority of America is not particularly well educated. Pop media plays a big role in shaping the elections, even though most educated people are not influenced by what Linda Ronstadt says at her concert. I don't accept Linda Ronstadt as proper counsel, but some do. That sucks. This is our country though, so it is an electoral dynamic we are forced to work within.
The reason the LW types on here get called names and yelled at is because of frustration. A person can only tell me the earth is flat for so long before I try to... you guessed it... solve the problem. I explain the reality of the curvature of the earth. I talk of horizons, and orbits, and eclipse shadows etc... all to no avail. If, in the face of science, fact and physics I am still talking to a person who affirms the earth is flat, and trys to tell others compellingly that it is, frustration will usually occur, and the gent is branded an idiot. Then you start telling everyone what an idiot this guy is, and try to fix the problem he is now creating.
One side trys to fix, the other complains... usually inaccurately.
You guys are getting suckered by a marvelous troll. You always take his bait because you are a group of people who want to solve a problem, and this troll is getting a serious kick out of "debate". Debate = drama. I hate that.

Lake Pirate
07-20-2004, 12:36 PM
We need to get that troll!
Pretty articulate web footed one. I'm impressed. It's not an entirely correct thesis but definitely well written. Kudo's.
You hit the nail on the head a couple times and I'm self deprecating enough to enjoy it. A few points about libs and conservs you missed:
Libs are always seeking to understand their conservative counterpoint. We suffer endless hours of propoganda and apelike chest pounding trying to figure out exactly where you are coming from? Of course...all to no avail. We'll never understand you. Essentially we believe you think and vote like you are going to live forever without consequences. We on the other hand are trying desperately to make a difference for those that follow. We want great things for America. Most of our anger comes from the commie remarks and the general hostility when we address a common subject from a different perspective.
Conservatives seek to make America better for them today...in our opinion. We (being polar opposites) hope to build a better America for tomorrow even if it means financial sacrifice today. It's all about greed for y'all (in our opinion) because you believe that because you made it anybody can. Some of us are lucky and smart...some aren't. Until you develop a test and kill the weak when they are born I will endeavor to take care of them.

Froggystyle
07-20-2004, 12:41 PM
Originally posted by Lake Pirate
Until you develop a test and kill the weak when they are born I will endeavor to take care of them.
Working on it as we speak...
In the words of George Carlin, "I'm not saying kill all of the stupid people, don't get me wrong. I am just saying... Take off all of the warning labels and let the problem solve itself!"
We are protecting the weak too much. There has to be repercussions for failure, not reward. Just as someone has the right to burn a flag, I have the right to hate you, think less of you and call you names for it. You also have the right to fail. I am willing to let you do that. I am not going to catch you if you do. That is up to your family.
I am not a right wing conservative. I am far more moderate than I consider the right wing to be. I think the one thing keeping the Republicans from purely dominating in the polical and social arena today is this unexplainable tie to the religious right. That pisses so many people off it is unbelieveable. Such is life. It is one of several key things that keeps me from being 100% in Bush's corner, I will tell you that.
Here is my motto...
http://www.highperformancecars.com/froggystyle/demotivators_1793_901969.jpg

HCS
07-20-2004, 01:06 PM
Originally posted by Froggystyle
Working on it as we speak...
In the words of George Carlin, "I'm not saying kill all of the stupid people, don't get me wrong. I am just saying... Take off all of the warning labels and let the problem solve itself!"
We are protecting the weak too much. There has to be repercussions for failure, not reward. Just as someone has the right to burn a flag, I have the right to hate you, think less of you and call you names for it. You also have the right to fail. I am willing to let you do that. I am not going to catch you if you do. That is up to your family.
I am not a right wing conservative. I am far more moderate than I consider the right wing to be. I think the one thing keeping the Republicans from purely dominating in the polical and social arena today is this unexplainable tie to the religious right. That pisses so many people off it is unbelieveable. Such is life. It is one of several key things that keeps me from being 100% in Bush's corner, I will tell you that.
Here is my motto...
http://www.highperformancecars.com/froggystyle/demotivators_1793_901969.jpg
Brovo, brovo.:)
I don't have time to type all that stuff. I'm at work.;)
The Government needs to quit trying to protect people from themselves.
That only brings up the question. What do you do with all the idiots?

DoubleDown
07-20-2004, 01:12 PM
Originally posted by Lake Pirate
Conservatives seek to make America better for them today...in our opinion. We (being polar opposites) hope to build a better America for tomorrow even if it means financial sacrifice today. It's all about greed for y'all (in our opinion) because you believe that because you made it anybody can. Some of us are lucky and smart...some aren't. Until you develop a test and kill the weak when they are born I will endeavor to take care of them.
What I dont understand is... to solve the problem, for example: You'll close a state park to the public to save it for the future. My father and I go camping ever year in the desert with a group of botanists and biologists to visit different sites such as the Dr Jeager Poorwill hibernating bird site where he discovered the Poorwill. The group and I (being 14 at the time), were turned away at another site because that part was "closed for preservation". Now, correct me if I'm wrong... but how is the youth of today, the future of this country, supposed to learn and grow to improve on the future of this country if your answer to the problem is to block everything off? People complain about today's youth not doing anything productive and wasting their time on video games. Maybe some of it is attributed to the fact that your "future preservation" techniques might not be the right answer. I agree with the fact that yes, we should not be wasteful and we should preserve, but keeping the youth from it is not the correct answer

Lake Pirate
07-20-2004, 01:15 PM
There are exceptions to every rule but....
If you have a good life and financial security then good on you but that doesn't mean everyone can have it. Life isn't fair to some. A socialist might believe we have to equalize the wealth. I don't believe that. I do believe that we can set up programs and agencies by giving a percentile of our income to keep people from starving, to provide medical services, to providing shelter, education and jobs. I am also realistic enough to understand that there will be freeloaders when you try and help others. That's acceptible to me just as casualties of war are acceptable to you.

Lake Pirate
07-20-2004, 01:17 PM
DoubleDown ~ every move Clinton made is no more representative of the Democratic party than Bushs' choices are totally representative of you. It's not like we had a secret meeting and decided to srew your Uncle out of land so we could save a three legged deer.

DoubleDown
07-20-2004, 01:43 PM
Originally posted by Lake Pirate
DoubleDown ~ every move Clinton made is no more representative of the Democratic party than Bushs' choices are totally representative of you. It's not like we had a secret meeting and decided to srew your Uncle out of land so we could save a three legged deer.
I said nothing of a 3 legged dear or my uncle being screwed out of his land. My point was that the liberal way of dealing with the problem didnt solve anything; What was closing the park solving? It just created another problem.

BUSTI
07-20-2004, 01:44 PM
liar pirate
I'm not testy just telling like it is. I have read your posts you jack ass and I still contend you haven't answered my questions once. You rehash the same old lefty garbage thinking if you say it often enough it means something.
YOU ARE THE LAZY ++CK! Do some home work and come up with some ideas other than those from the sixties.
What you espouse to when you say you want to take care of the unacheivers is called ULTRUISM! It has never worked in the world. Only the virtures of selfishness where by a man works only for himself and for the prosperity of his own family striving to be the best he can be can the world ever hope to really prosper.
You think because we endorse a life to put it as you said "we made so why can't anybody else". that we are selfish. Wrong lefty pirate! That would be SELFLESSNESS NOT SELFFISHNESS! GET A CLUE.
In America we as a nation do not expect anybody to take care of us least of all our government. If you beleive that it is enobeling for you to try to take care of the disadvantaged then by all means go for it ........do what you want with your money. BUT YOU F&*KING COMMIE NOT WITH THE MONEY ME AND WIFE HAVE EARNED! You are a liar and a phony liberal big mouth any way. Tell me commie pirate if you are so committed to taking care of the less advantaged at tax time every April do you go to your tax man and say "what? Is that all I owe the government? Shit man send them another 5,000 bucks there is alot of folks to take care of out there!" SHIT NO YOU DON'T!
If the system is so bad then tell me why is it that the US of A sends more money from private individuals to the International Red Cross than the Eroupean economy does combined? That is true for all major privately funded charities world wide!
I will tell you why because Americans are the most generous people on the face of the world! T We earned the money can afford to be generous! The rest of the world is taxed by their governments so much that they believe they can't afford to donate money to worthy ultruistic causes! And you know they are right they can't. Good intentions that are bred by ulruism have failed every time.
The best of intentions don't matter. I am sure Karl Marx had good intentions also and look at the pain world wide his commie ideas have caused the world.
You are plain and simple a leftist collectivist puke! You are a self loathing American who believes that America and its selfish capitalists are root of all evil. Unlike most of us on this board who honestly believe that America is greatest force for good in the world you blame America for what is wrong with the world when ultruism in its purest form..........communism/socialism is bain of mans existense!

Seadog
07-20-2004, 01:56 PM
It is so easy to expound on the faults and failures of any situation than to roll up your sleeves and fix the problem. As I see it, a conservative is someone that sees a flat and fixes it. A liberal will call a wrecker and then try to get someone else to pay the bill.
We cannot exclude the public from our public lands or waters, just because of a minor problem. We can teach our children to respect nature and our duties to our heritage. We have allowed our children to be taught how bad our white ancestors. We get told how the noble 'red' man respected nature and did not believe in owning land. This flies against the reality that the tribes in the north and south continents were as diverse in attitudes as any other parts of the world. They may not have believed in owning land individually, but they believed tribal control of hunting areas. Many tribes worshipped characteristics of nature, but there is numerous similarities with the 'gods' of greek and roman mythology, and many other cultures.

diggler
07-20-2004, 01:58 PM
I don't mean to hijack the thread, but the mis-spellings in LP's posts and his grammer really tend to discredit what he attempting to bring across. I'm not necessarily attacking LP directly on this. However, to give a solid stance and be taken seriously, please use a spell-check!
Also, when using a large word, please use it correctly along with proper grammer. There is nothing more annoying than reading a poorly written political statement.

Lake Pirate
07-20-2004, 02:25 PM
Geez... I'd hate to be Busti's computer. Can't you envision him sitting their on his fat ass in his Barney underwear pounding the keys like they were Viet Namese jailkeepers while sweat staining his American Flag doo-rag and chomping on a short cigarette? Ooh Dude... you're grossing me out. Oh and by the way... kiss my all american skinny little no-ass white butt. Nazi pricks like you are the problem and by no means the solution. Don't put words in my mouth and by no means should you try and intellectualize your pea brained cro-magnon opinions. If there isn't anybody responding to your flatulent spiel it's because once they got through reading it they couldn't remember anything about it besides the dipshit mental image you project. Piss off.
Oh and spell checker guy... if you got my point then that's enough. if you didn't get my point that's alright too. I doubt a little syntax change and putting an "I" before an "E" is going to make much difference to your interpretational abilities in the first place.
I've changed my mind and decided to insult you thick headed dimwits right back. I give what I get.

BUSTI
07-20-2004, 02:30 PM
commie pirate don't get so testy you sissy! You are an unpopular commie! It is not my fault your semi intellectual Karl Marx shit won't wash here. So buckle up pussy and be prepared to get butt humped on the this board every time you spew your stupid ass lib shit!
:yuk:

Lake Pirate
07-20-2004, 02:37 PM
I had to study cave drawings to figure out how to communicate with you moron. Expect me to ram your Nazi rants right back up your ass where they came from everytime you open that rat infested mouth of yours.

uclahater
07-20-2004, 02:40 PM
Originally posted by Dr. Eagle
Anybody (jordy) have one of those IP address tracing programs... I wonder if Kohonomoko might be a relative of LP....:confused:
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
I do:D :cool:

BUSTI
07-20-2004, 02:45 PM
ooooooooooooh so intellectual lefty pirate. i don't rant I calmly tell you the truth and you can't handle it girlieman!

kahanamoko
07-20-2004, 02:52 PM
My god. Are you still talking about this. Mandelon. Learn to spell. It's "Parrot", not "parot." And you should pay special attention to spelling when you're insulting somebody else's spelling. What a dope!
Cowboy, you're method of "studying politics" and "understanding the issues" apparently involves nothing more than checking to see if the name has an (R) after it, at which time you pull a lever. Not unlike those trained monkeys that get fed a pellet of food for the appropriate response. And the rewards you are getting from the Republicans are just as valuable as that pellet. Of course, I must admit that I truly appreciated the "beer money" that Bush provided to me and my buddies with the last major tax cut. And the fact that a few of those at the top of the food chain probably took their and bought a brewery doesn't even seem to register to you. You just live with this feeble, hopeless dream that maybe someday you'll be up at the top and start raking in all of the dough. Ain't gonna happen. Those at the top don't want you.

Froggystyle
07-20-2004, 02:54 PM
Originally posted by diggler
I don't mean to hijack the thread, but the mis-spellings in LP's posts and his grammer really tend to discredit what he attempting to bring across. I'm not necessarily attacking LP directly on this. However, to give a solid stance and be taken seriously, please use a spell-check!
Also, when using a large word, please use it correctly along with proper grammer. There is nothing more annoying than reading a poorly written political statement.
Damn... this is going to suck in light of that post, but it is "grammar" with an "A"...
Sorry bro, common mistake.

Jrocket
07-20-2004, 02:59 PM
shure iz alot uf perfeksionists in hear and nose it alls.

Schiada76
07-20-2004, 03:27 PM
Now you've all done it!
lake sissyfag is soooo mad you're ALL Nazi's now!
HAHAHAHAHA!!
Boy is it easy to bait an aids ridden butt pirate!
Duck! Wheww! he almost hit me with his/her purse!:D :D :D

Lake Pirate
07-20-2004, 03:31 PM
You don't see it and never will Bradley GT. Dream on if it makes you feel better? I'll see you the next time I go trolling.

Schiada76
07-20-2004, 03:32 PM
OH YEAH!!!!
You NAZI!!!!!!!!:D :D :D

mirvin
07-20-2004, 03:37 PM
If Arnold was a fag no one would be upset. Everybody needs to settle down. It's man talk. You're not gonna change it ever, unless all men become fags then where does that leave us. I guess it's ok for a gay man to call another gay man "girl" but it's not ok for Arnie, eh?
WHite straight republican males are held to a higher standard:)
mirvin;)

DoubleDown
07-20-2004, 03:55 PM
I'd just like to point out...
Originally posted by Lake Pirate
I hate to confuse your minds with something as comlicated as facts but....
You guys should reread some of the crap that spews outta yer flapping lips.
I challenge you to debate one single political topic without using personal asides and inflammatory rhetoric. In other words... you have to just debate your viewpoint without insulting people who disagree with you. I doubt you can do it. I know you can't do it.
Originally posted by Lake Pirate
I had to study cave drawings to figure out how to communicate with you moron. Expect me to ram your Nazi rants right back up your ass where they came from everytime you open that rat infested mouth of yours.
Originally posted by Lake Pirate
Geez... I'd hate to be Busti's computer. Can't you envision him sitting their on his fat ass in his Barney underwear pounding the keys like they were Viet Namese jailkeepers while sweat staining his American Flag doo-rag and chomping on a short cigarette? Ooh Dude... you're grossing me out. Oh and by the way... kiss my all american skinny little no-ass white butt. Nazi pricks like you are the problem and by no means the solution. Don't put words in my mouth and by no means should you try and intellectualize your pea brained cro-magnon opinions. If there isn't anybody responding to your flatulent spiel it's because once they got through reading it they couldn't remember anything about it besides the dipshit mental image you project. Piss off.
...LakePirate, take your own advice... if you really want to make an impact on these boards, which you won't, you should make yourself as credible as possible, which you just proved yourself uncredible by going against everything you said everyone else should do.:rolleyes:

Lake Pirate
07-20-2004, 04:10 PM
Kinda cute how you run around saving all my stuff. There might be something wrong with your computer though...it accidentally omitted where I posted that I was going to start talking trash back. Better get that looked at.

mirvin
07-20-2004, 04:20 PM
Pirate, have you given your opinion on this matter or are you just antagonizing everyone??
Are you or are you not offended by Arnolds statement???
mirvin;)

BUSTI
07-20-2004, 04:24 PM
flake,butt, commie pirate
Please be intellectually honest. Al you have been doing is talking trash since you starting posting on these boards. Liberalism resorts to trash talk at the first sign of real debate with right thinking conservatives. And you are a great example of that. You offer no genuine ideas just 60's type liberal anti-American bullshit! Go Run your mouth and all the tripe you sing to dumb shit libs like yourself........you are wasting your time here. You aren't even challenging in the least! You are pathetic!
I'll repeat it so you can understand it........don't get your panties in bunch! And expect to get shit on every time you run your fing lib pie whole on this board. :p :yuk:
See ya tomorrow lake pussy!

Lake Pirate
07-20-2004, 04:37 PM
mirv ~ This thread was started immediately after someone called me a girly-man on another thread last night. I did not know of Ahnolds remarks until today and still don't know the story so... I have no real opinion on it. Gimme a link or something and I'll catch up.
Busti old boy. I am just terrified of your abrasive fontmeistering, you bein' a big 'ol bully and me just bein' a skinny lil 'ol country boy and all. But, even though I'm really, really scared and prolly gonna regret it if your font beats up my font, I'm still gonna call you a diptard when you act to like one. Now carry your Himmler talkin' ass to the house before the gestapo finds out your hangin' out with a jew boy while you're at work. Be sure and get your Mommy's permission for another fun-filled day tomorrow.

mirvin
07-20-2004, 04:48 PM
Arnold refered to Cali's Dem. legislators as "girley men" because they were stalling the budget.
He said "if they want represent special interest and unions and they don't have the guts to come up here and admit it to the people, I call them girley men"
SOrry, no link.
mirvin

CA Stu
07-20-2004, 04:48 PM
I thought it was just a good natured gibe to get the legislature moving, but that's just me...
I must email the spin doctors and thank them for revealing my Governor's homophobic hidden agenda. :rolleyes:
Sheesh!
Thanks
CA Stu

Lake Pirate
07-20-2004, 04:55 PM
I don't see anything inherently wrong with it. It's taking political correctness a bit far when you can't even call your detractors dipshits.

CA Stu
07-20-2004, 04:57 PM
"Dipshits" is a lot less friendly than "Girlymen".
Tempest in a teapot, IMHO.
I would hope the majority of people are seeing the forest rather than the trees...
The forest being, partisan politics are hindering the passing of the California budget. Again.
Thanks
CA Stu

Mandelon
07-20-2004, 05:00 PM
Originally posted by kahanamoko
My god. Are you still talking about this. Mandelon. Learn to spell. It's "Parrot", not "parot." And you should pay special attention to spelling when you're insulting somebody else's spelling. What a dope!
Cowboy, you're method of "studying politics" and "understanding the issues" apparently involves nothing more than checking to see if the name has an (R) after it, at which time you pull a lever. Not unlike those trained monkeys that get fed a pellet of food for the appropriate response. And the rewards you are getting from the Republicans are just as valuable as that pellet. Of course, I must admit that I truly appreciated the "beer money" that Bush provided to me and my buddies with the last major tax cut. And the fact that a few of those at the top of the food chain probably took their and bought a brewery doesn't even seem to register to you. You just live with this feeble, hopeless dream that maybe someday you'll be up at the top and start raking in all of the dough. Ain't gonna happen. Those at the top don't want you.
Sorry Moko, I don't recall using the word parrot (or parot) anywhere around here. Can you help me find it so I know what you are talking about? I did take the time to look but no luck...
I found this quote written by someone you might like, though. Perhaps it will help you understand what happens here. We don't get graded on spelling in this forum, but maybe that is the best you can do.
"Oh and spell checker guy... if you got my point then that's enough. if you didn't get my point that's alright too. I doubt a little syntax change and putting an "I" before an "E" is going to make much difference to your interpretational abilities in the first place."
You two are so funny, complaining about insults and then hurling them with abandon. Falling back on the same old cliches about rich Republicans..... all you Democrat worriers......are you driving your Priuses? Better sell the boat then too guys, cuz its polluting the world you are saving for the future. So stay off the lake, we won't miss you.
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

diggler
07-20-2004, 05:44 PM
Originally posted by Froggystyle
Damn... this is going to suck in light of that post, but it is "grammar" with an "A"...
Sorry bro, common mistake.
Ha ha! You're, right! I apologize for my mistake! Here I am trying to take a stand on writing, and I **** up myself! Oh the irony!
Thanks Froggy for pointing it out. It only makes one more careful in the future. :D