Cal Noise Law ticket this weekend in Arizona??

[Keith E. Sayre]

Sorry everyone but I'm venting. One of our customers with a stock HP500 got a ticket yesterday for noise in the Lake Havasu
Marina. Now, it's merely my opinion--but why does some tree hugging politician in Sacramento make rules for our Marina in
Arizona. While I realize that there are instances that a California
police officer needs to cross the center of the river in order to assist in providing law and order, it seems to me that the spirit of
the law granting them that authority has been stretched way
past it's intent. I also don't understand why the California police
are cruising our channel? Did we ask them to help us out? If
we did fine, or is it the revenue from tickets? Or am I missing
something here? This noise issue is a joke--a California joke and
since I choose not to live in California, why will I be subjected to
their bad joke that someone that they elected thought up?
Keith Sayre
PS--didn't the state of California also say that they weren't going
to enforce their noise law until Jan 2005?

[hd&boatrider]

Originally posted by Keith E. Sayre
Sorry everyone but I'm venting. One of our customers with a stock HP500 got a ticket yesterday for noise in the Lake Havasu
Marina. Now, it's merely my opinion--but why does some tree hugging politician in Sacramento make rules for our Marina in
Arizona. While I realize that there are instances that a California
police officer needs to cross the center of the river in order to assist in providing law and order, it seems to me that the spirit of
the law granting them that authority has been stretched way
past it's intent. I also don't understand why the California police
are cruising our channel? Did we ask them to help us out? If
we did fine, or is it the revenue from tickets? Or am I missing
something here? This noise issue is a joke--a California joke and
since I choose not to live in California, why will I be subjected to
their bad joke that someone that they elected thought up?
Keith Sayre
This river is turning into
Keith....I may have seen him get the ticket. I was just pulling out my boat from the LBR apx 11:45 or so. A boat was under the bridge gunning it while in not in gear to make it as loud as possible...you know, show off the engine. Well, there was a police officer boat right behind them so they pulled them over in front of Barley Brothers. If it is the same boat couldn't it have been avoided by not gunning the engine and showing off? Maybe he was having engine problems :). I believe there was a family in the boat. Same people?
Tom

[jackpunx]

My hp500 runs 100.2 on the DB meeter

[77charger]

from what i learned in boater safety is that if a lake borders states.Like the river both ca and az have jurisdiction and that ca can enforce their laws on either side.It depends on which agency stops you.

[wsuwrhr]

Keith, I have seen Boatcop posting before about this. I don't agree with it, but EITHER state has juristiction of either side of the river, and I believe a few miles on land.
Just my .02
Ask him to be sure.
Brian

[dicudmore]

I got a noise ticket on lake mead w/stock 496HO. That was an NV fish cop in my case, but said the db limit was the same @ havasu and mohave as well, if they were enforcing it...

[gmocnik]

probably the same arrogant, short dick syndrome, san bernardino sherrifs that hassled me last year....
they may legally have the jurisdiction to patrol the AZ side but WTF....
as a cali resident I formally apologize for the californication of AZ by these idiots...

[HCS]

Like I stated before. I think the noise law is BS too.
It's like living by the airport. You knew it was there when you
bought the house. So what do people expect. A nice quite
hideway with a lake view. Go live somewhere else.

[Racer277]

I'm with you on this.
I feel bad enough for all of us Cali idiots, I can only imagine the frustration you feel. I feel like (California is)the lousy neighbor no one wants on their block.
What is amazing is that same cop will probably ignore other blatant safety issues, to get to the easy ticket. I think their time could be much better spent.
I wonder if boat races will pickup entries now with this kind of crap going on. I know that we spent our last years jet skiing only at races as everywhere else was either filled with idiots or over patroled or both. We eventually gave up jet skiing all together.

[wsuwrhr]

Originally posted by gmocnik
they may legally have the jurisdiction to patrol the AZ side but WTF....
as a cali resident I formally apologize for the californication of AZ by these idiots...

[wsuwrhr]

I had the same opinion a few months ago, something about a LEGAL age younger AZ resident, on AZ's "side", being sited for being underage for a California operator by a CA officer.
CA reg/ CA laws.
AZ reg/AZ laws.
Brian

[HCS]

Originally posted by wsuwrhr
Ya, what you said.

[BADBLOWN572]

Well, that sucks. Sorry to hear that your customer got hastled. If he is getting hastled for a 500h.p. I am F'ed! Last time that someone DB'ed me (cop) I was at "well over 100db" @ 50'. Luckily he was cool and just asked me to leave the water. I know Parker is cracking down on it, but I always thought that Havasu was being pretty leanient on the noise. Could be wrong. Maybe just one cop with boat envy that is making everyone's life miserable.
Is there anything that can be done to repeal the noise law?

[Dr. Eagle]

Unfortunately, when these waterways exist on boundaries, it seems that jurisdiction is provided by agreement between the parties that manage each side, a joint powers agreement. You have the same situation at Lake Tahoe...

[Havasu Hangin']

Don't ever pop a rev under the bridge...those guys are waiting there everytime.

[Keith E. Sayre]

Shockwave Bob: You're absolutely right, there is no offense
intended to the Cali boaters. And your point is well taken,
about 95% of our business goes to Cali residents. I feel bad
for them (you) because your state appears to be pretty tough
on you but now they intend to be rough on us in Arizona and I didn't sign up for that.
HC&Boatrider: If our guy had been running his engine wild under
the bridge and got caught we wouldn't be writing about this. Our guy was idling out of the marina and got singled out. He then
watched them do about 4 others right in a row.
Keith Sayre

[DeltaSigBoater]

not sure if anyone kenw about this, but it has to do w/ noise laws in CA
Gov. Signs Bill Making Owners Responsible For Boat-Noise Levels
Thursday, July 22, 2004
Log News Service - Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger on June 13 signed legislation that specifies that it is the legal responsibility of motorboat owners to comply with noise requirements.
The bill, by Assembly Member George Nakano, D-Torrance, which takes effect Jan. 1, amends Section 654.05 of the state’s Harbors and Navigation Code.
Section 654.05 now prohibits a person from operating a motorized recreational vessel on inland waters or ocean waters that are within one mile of the coastline of the state, in a manner that exceeds specified noise levels. A violation of the provision is a crime.
The present law is unfair, Nakano said, because it places the responsibility for complying with noise requirements on the person operating a motorboat, who may not be the owner of the vessel and may not be knowledgeable regarding the applicable noise requirements.
Nakano said his bill Assembly Bill 2566 addresses the issue by specifying that it is the legal responsibility of the owner of the motorboat to ensure that the vessel is in full compliance with the noise requirements, regardless of the person who may be operating the boat.
Last year the legislature approved a measure that updated antiquated noise standards enacted in 1972. The new standards apply to motorized recreational vessels operating on inland or ocean waters that are within one mile of the coastline of the state.

[Racer277]

Our guy was idling out of the marina and got singled out. He then
watched them do about 4 others right in a row.
That is total BS and typical of LE.
I've always been impressed with the cops on these forums, as their methods seem to educate as well as enforce. But some of these other guys are just lazy, and I hate that in any professional position, but cops are the one profession we just can't ignore/walk away from/not buy from etc.
Meanwhile behind this cop there were probably 30 rental jetskis with untrained riders with no id, registration and fire ex's. But those are a hassle so go for the easy ticket. Total BS.

[Dr. Eagle]

I'd be pissed if I were you too... some SB Sheriff giving me a ticket for a cali noise law in AZ... I wonder how the laws work on this...

[Jrocket]

Originally posted by DeltaSigBoater
not sure if anyone kenw about this, but it has to do w/ noise laws in CA
Gov. Signs Bill Making Owners Responsible For Boat-Noise Levels
Thursday, July 22, 2004
Log News Service - Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger on June 13 signed legislation that specifies that it is the legal responsibility of motorboat owners to comply with noise requirements.
The bill, by Assembly Member George Nakano, D-Torrance, which takes effect Jan. 1, amends Section 654.05 of the state’s Harbors and Navigation Code.
Section 654.05 now prohibits a person from operating a motorized recreational vessel on inland waters or ocean waters that are within one mile of the coastline of the state, in a manner that exceeds specified noise levels. A violation of the provision is a crime.
The present law is unfair, Nakano said, because it places the responsibility for complying with noise requirements on the person operating a motorboat, who may not be the owner of the vessel and may not be knowledgeable regarding the applicable noise requirements.
Nakano said his bill Assembly Bill 2566 addresses the issue by specifying that it is the legal responsibility of the owner of the motorboat to ensure that the vessel is in full compliance with the noise requirements, regardless of the person who may be operating the boat.
Last year the legislature approved a measure that updated antiquated noise standards enacted in 1972. The new standards apply to motorized recreational vessels operating on inland or ocean waters that are within one mile of the coastline of the state.
So it goes like this?George comes up with a plan,Arnold signs it and now I can get a ticket even if im in the channel in Havasu?Now thats thick.Im betting ol George has a place down in the harbor somewhere and doesnt like the boats disturbing HIS life.

[Havasu Hangin']

Originally posted by Racer277
But some of these other guys are just lazy, and I hate that in any professional position, but cops are the one profession we just can't ignore/walk away from/not buy from etc.
Yeah...it used to be documented boats...then it was registration...now it's the noise laws.
I must be the "easy ticket of the week".

[cigarette1]

Originally posted by Jrocket
So it goes like this?George comes up with a plan,Arnold signs it and now I can get a ticket even if im in the channel in Havasu?Now thats thick.Im betting ol George has a place down in the harbor somewhere and doesnt like the boats disturbing HIS life.
Ahhhh-nold teaming up with the Dem's ..... you've been had ;)

[hd&boatrider]

Originally posted by Keith E. Sayre
Shockwave Bob: You're absolutely right, there is no offense
intended to the Cali boaters. And your point is well taken,
about 95% of our business goes to Cali residents. I feel bad
for them (you) because your state appears to be pretty tough
on you but now they intend to be rough on us in Arizona and I didn't sign up for that.
HC&Boatrider: If our guy had been running his engine wild under
the bridge and got caught we wouldn't be writing about this. Our guy was idling out of the marina and got singled out. He then
watched them do about 4 others right in a row.
Keith Sayre
This was actually under the bridge so it was probably not the I saw. Reving the engine under the bridge=bad idea especially with the cops right behind you :)

[Boatcop]

I think you may have had a right to be ticked off, if Arizona didn't have the same noise laws.
By interstate compact, California Officers have jurisdiction on any part of the Colorado River or its Lakes, and vice-versa for Arizona Officers.
So in actuality, the California Officer was enforcing California Law on California waters. Something they have every right to do.
It's not as if he was out patrolling Lake Pleasant.

[Magic34]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Racer277
[B]Our guy was idling out of the marina and got singled out. He then
watched them do about 4 others right in a row.
Was the Marina Manager out throwing a tantrum as well? Wonder if they have anything to do with it by the means of contacting CA authorities when loud boats come in.

[KrazyKa]

Originally posted by Boatcop
By interstate compact, California Officers have jurisdiction on any part of the Colorado River or its Lakes, and vice-versa for Arizona Officers.
I understand this and the history as you have stated previously.
I'm curious if the AZ voters will get to the point that they've had enough if CA LE doesn't follow the spirit of the pact that gave them jurisdiction. There's somethink askew when an AZ resident, with AZ tags, launching from AZ property gets tagged with a CA law while never leaving AZ water. Noise laws may just be an inconvenience for many. What happens when it is something much larger the two states have differing legistlation on? Firearms perhaps? That could get ugly fast for an unsuspecting AZ resident.

[Bling Bling]

Originally posted by Havasu Hangin'
Don't ever pop a rev under the bridge...those guys are waiting there everytime. I second HH, another boat reving under the bridge just as I was passing by got the azpd attention, and next thing I know I'm paying a 150$ ticket. I asked why I got the ticket instead of the other person, and he said I was closer. I still have nothing but respect for the law, and will be very curious to see what happens next year.

[Cas]

so how many of you wrote to your congressmen or signed petitions when we all had a chance to voice our opinion on the noise laws?
It's not LE's fault, they are only doing their jobs. Blame the people who didn't step up to voice their opinions.
Oh yea, it's not only CA with the noise laws, many states have had them for a long time. The only thing CA did was to basically add a more definitive way of testing.
here's the address of a website that you can all keep up to date on what's happening and/or what could happen. Maybe if you keep an eye on it, we can get more involved to possibly prevent or at least alter laws which could affect us all.

[wsuwrhr]

And the website is?
Brian
Originally posted by Cas
here's the address of a website that you can all keep up to date on what's happening and/or what could happen. Maybe if you keep an eye on it, we can get more involved to possibly prevent or at least alter laws which could affect us all.

[Cas]

oops :D
http://www.dbw.ca.gov/
and another
http://www.rboc.org/

[RiverPirate]

I don't think I would jump on LE just yet. Haven't there been numerous forums discussing what a bunch of A-Holes the Havasu Marina employs and all of the bullsit that people have to put up with to launch there. As I recall a lot of the bitching from the Marina was about noise. I suspect that there was a phone call, complaint, etc from the Marina to LE to instagate this. I would like to believe that LE out there has better things to do than write noise tix in Havasu. Just my .02.

[Essex502]

From the informal testing I have done with friends boats on Lake Havasu, we are all over the legal limit for the noise laws per the NEW CA laws going into effect January 1st. That law is very stringent.
However, there are existing noise laws on the books in AZ and CA where we are probably breaking as well. The new law in CA mainly changed the methodology of conducting the test to make it easier for LE to administer. Iinstead of a "shoreline" or "driveby" test it is now predominantly a static idle test conductd per the SAE J2005 standard. We have discussed this a bunch - both before being signed by legislature and after. We all fail.
My testing was done with a Radio Shack digital noise meter per the J2005 standard. A box stock (less than 10 hours) HP525 in a Essex Alandra tested at 100 dB. This is WAY over the 88 dB limit of the new standard. This boat would have failed the existing AZ laws if administered as well.
What I would be curious about is the method the CA LEO's used to cite the boaters mentioned by Keith. What instrument was used? Which law did they do the tests under? The New law doesn't go into effect until Jan 1. They would have had to test under the old law which specifies the J34 standard. I don't remember the specifics of the J34 standard but I believe it is the "shoreline test". We will fail under this test as well but the test is harder to perform by LE hence the change to J2005.
Also...I wouldn't put it past the LHC Marina to specifically get CA LE involved as the AZ LE don't seem to be as concerned about the noise....but that's personal opinion only.

[Dr. Eagle]

Originally posted by ShockwaveBob
Arnold is a Republicrat. If you didn't know that going in, you will.
I think we all knew it, it's just that our options outside of Tom McClintock were very poor. And he'd never get elected in this socialist state...

[ratso]

If you don't like noise then stay away from the lake. These worthless pricks are taking more and more of our freedoms away every day...(sure, vote Kerry). I was at Havasu the first of June at Kokomos, around 10 or 11 at night. Some guy fired up his boat and it sounded like some dragboat that should be on the ropes at an IHBA or SDBA event...very radical...and we heard him for about 5 minutes as he idled (or loped) out of the channel. It was awesome. That's what the lake is all about...a good time. There are far more serious things to be ticketed for, but a little noise and some radical boats with some bad ass motors are part of the thrill of going to lakes like that. Ten years down the road they will have us in Bayliners with 4 bangers.

[nodigg]

Originally posted by Havasu Hangin'
Yeah...it used to be documented boats...then it was registration...now it's the noise laws.
I must be the "easy ticket of the week".
I'm with you on this one. There seems to be a meeting once a week or so to decide what is the easiest way to pay for the patrol officers.

[Huckleberry]

Originally posted by nodigg
I'm with you on this one. There seems to be a meeting once a week or so to decide what is the easiest way to pay for the patrol officers.
I guess I'm really focked now! Documented AND loud exhaust!!! Guess we will all be running weed whackers with thru hub exhaust next year!

[nodigg]

Naw, its only till they switch to the next issue. (I hope) On holidays they like to target parents with kids on board under 12 without life jackets. Its an easier stop and makes better revenue than messin' with the OUI and swim step/bow dancers.

[Boatcop]

Revenue, Revenue, Revenue, blah blah blah.
I am sick and tired about people claiming that its all about revenue, and paying for the officers.
I'll say it one last time.
WE DON'T GET ONE RED CENT OF FINE MONEY!
Our salaries are paid from a combination of Boat Registration fees, and a portion of marine fuel taxes.
If all we wanted to do was write tickets for the fine money, I could write 100 tickets a day just on all of you out there who are improperly displaying your registration numbers. Which I would guess is more that 3/4s of the boats I see on the water.
You are all forgetting one thing. That boats with no muffling devices or exceeding a specific sound level are illegal.
Don't like it? Write your congressman. But don't blame us for doing our jobs. You all bitch about PWCs or this type of boat of that type of boat, and that we should do something about it.
Well, we do. A whole lot more than most of you realize. But you want us to ignore the law for you when it comes to speed and noise.
Sorry Bubbah and Bubbettes. It's not going to happen. Want to run uncorked? Want to run zoomies? Fine. Enter a race, get a permit and run the hell out of them.
You aren't allowed to run uncorked headers on your car on the street. Why do you feel it's your "right" to run them on your boat?
Noise levels and mufflers have been the law for over 30 years. It's nothing new. Live with it, or live with getting a ticket every weekend.
No one is forcing you to buy loud boats.

[Essex502]

You're absolutely right, Alan...but one fact does remain...the manufacturers are DELIVERING the boats in illegal form! Advantage, Nordic and other builders in AZ as well as the CA builders (and many, many more throughout the country) deliver these boats everyday that don't meet the legal limits for noise. Any boat with through transom exhaust that doesn't have inline mufflers or baffles will exceed the limit. Our friend's Essex Alandra was delivered only a few months ago and it is over 100dB-A at idle as measured by the J2005 standard.
The Nordic 28' Heat with a 496HO also is over - even with inline mufflers. The one I tested "blew" 92 dB-A. Luckily my Essex Sterling with a 502 MAG is only 86 dB-A due to the fact that at idle the exhaust exits under the water. Most "euro" style boats with molded swimsteps that are NOT at the waterline have the TT exhaust that exits above the water line.
At least with CA law beginning Jan 1 - "A person may not manufacture for sale a motorized
recreational vessel that is not equipped with a muffler or muffler system.... What is AZ doing about this?
Don't take it that I support these noise laws as I don't but to the best of my ability I will comply with them by buying my next boat with a muffler system. As for the present boat...:D

[nodigg]

Easy there big fella!
Alan, we're just venting here! Sorry to get your dander up but we gotta bitch someplace! You know we respect the job you do!
Now about that revenue thing. I have a buddy who works for a local P.D. and they just LOVE their commercial enforcement officer because he brings in the BIG bucks for the department, (or so my bud says). They want to add another team for that reason alone he says.
So, are you saying NO fine monies go to the issuing departments in AZ? If so, thanks for the edumacation and I stand gratefully corrected. (I have not read your comments on this before)
On another note, when I was cited in front of obvious OUI peeps a few years back, I called to complain and was told by the clerk, "that was the target for the holiday weekend".

[Havasu_Dreamin]

I don't understand all of the bitching and whining about these tickets. It's the law, deal with it! Do you whine when you get a speeding ticket? Sure, you probably do, but you accept it knowing you broke the law, same principle. Also don't hold LE's feet to the fire becasue they are doing their job! They did not make the law. Don't praise them one minute for being there, doing their job, when you needed them and then whine about them the next becasue they are there doing their job and giving you a ticket for breaking a law. As BC said, you want it changed, write your congressman
And as one of the onwers of one of the boats tested by E502, I know I'll get popped one day but until then I don't ahve any mufflers.

[Toomstone]

who is complaining to get these laws in place??? i love hearing a big cat go by and those engines roaring even when its just idling. the channel is a parade of bitchen sounding boats.

[Essex502]

Originally posted by Toomstone
who is complaining to get these laws in place??? i love hearing a big cat go by and those engines roaring even when its just idling. the channel is a parade of bitchen sounding boats.
In CA it was the Bluewater Network in conjunction to their hired lackey George Nakamo of Torrance, CA. That BOZO had 2 billed signed into law in 2003 with the founding of the Bluewater Network. One of them - "Quiet Waters Act" is AB1555 or new noise law in CA. This a$$hole is in their pocket.

[Toomstone]

were there people out there pushing to get this "quiet waters" passed or is it just this guy thinking its going to help out someone?

[waterwitch]

San Bernadino has been patrolling Lake Havasu for over
15+ years. Durning the holiday weekends, the Havasu
police department calls them in for backup. There is no
way our officers could handle the control.
(It's crazy!)
As for the noise, they are just now enforcing it. When you
launch at the Lake Havasu Marina, you are givin a
flamin' green piece of paper that warns you of noise control.
They have been doing this since the start of summer.
We have a flat, and yes we love the sound under the
bridge. It scares the crap out of the tourist when we rev
it hard. I love it! But I know we will be popped at any
givin time as well. Just as easily as if we were cruisin the
channel.
I support Boatcop and all the other officers on the lake,
cause with out them it would be a scary place.
(rember the story of the men hitting the girls.)
Pay your fine, and suck it up.
This is nothing new.

[Essex502]

Originally posted by Toomstone
were there people out there pushing to get this "quiet waters" passed or is it just this guy thinking its going to help out someone?
Again....Bluewater Network was the entity behind the measure...check out their website...
Here's a pic of the "offender"
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/1404nakano.jpg
George Nakano, Assemblyman from Torrance.

[Floored]

in the online brochure about the 18ft Tahoe boat with a 4.3 V6 it kicks 96 db at full throttle. so a hp500 at 100 ain't bad, my Bassetts just draw the look more than the V6 family boat thats actually louder.

[cave]

Why dont all you boaters in Cali just vote the pepes out of office. Remember they work for us cause they were voted into office.
Why is this law even on the books. Someone sneek it by.
I think we may have a noise law here too. Havnt been cited yet

[FastTimmy]

It's all BS. Every one of my friends or family that is in law inforcement has been lectured about not writing enough tickets at a given time. There is a Quote "QUOTA" I don't care what anyone says posting on the boards. The ticket money may not go directly to the department but I would say that it probably goes to the people that divert the marine fuel and registration fee funds to the departments. And guess what if they don't get the ticket revenue they need they cut back there diversion of funds from the fuel and registraion or any other perk funds they control.
Just ones view not fact..
Timmy

[Bre]

Timmy, are you talking about the police that patrol wateways?? Cause I know there is not a quota that has to be met for every city.

[FastTimmy]

I can't say with any certanty either way just spreading my hearsay..........I have no real idea just though I would break out the mixing stick....

[Bre]

Well.. I'll be the first to tell you I think your wrong;)

[FastTimmy]

Here now I will blame the boat manufacturers.
Why are you guys selling illegal boats? Is it because you think the local PD will not mess with the boat manufacturers that employee the people that make it possible for most officers to have a JOB!!

[Racer277]

Ok, so there are no quotas. Let say the officers spend a couple of months educating people and helping the community. Do you think they will continue to be employed? How do you quantify an officer's work if he comes in at the end of the day without any tickets written? I think that this is by definition a quota, whether stated or not.
Again, I realize there are great officers and not so great officers. As in any other profession. I just wish they would do more to enforce the safety related laws and less to enforce the nuisance laws.
And remember this was started as an admitted vent. Not directed at anyone, we are just sittin in the bar bitching, and we don't have to drive home.

[FastTimmy]

Originally posted by Racer277
Ok, so there are no quotas. Let say the officers spend a couple of months educating people and helping the community. Do you think they will continue to be employed? How do you quantify an officer's work if he comes in at the end of the day without any tickets written? I think that this is by definition a quota, whether stated or not.
Again, I realize there are great officers and not so great officers. As in any other profession. I just wish they would do more to enforce the safety related laws and less to enforce the nuisance laws.
And remember this was started as an admitted vent. Not directed at anyone, we are just sittin in the bar bitching, and we don't have to drive home.
Yeh..

[Bre]

I know someone who has not written a ticket in over a year. This person just arrests people on felony charges... ect. They still have a job. What's more important??? Giving people tickets?? Or getting the low lifes off the streets?

[FastTimmy]

Originally posted by Bre
I know someone who has not written a ticket in over a year. This person just arrests people on felony charges... ect. They still have a job. What's more important??? Giving people tickets?? Or getting the low lifes off the streets?
The person you speak of must be a real cop that cares about real things..Not just sucking up to the boss... Yes I speak of ANARCHY to the boss man.
Any person can do what they are told. It takes a genuine person to do the right thing...

[Racer277]

Originally posted by Bre
I know someone who has not written a ticket in over a year. This person just arrests people on felony charges... ect. They still have a job. What's more important??? Giving people tickets?? Or getting the low lifes off the streets?
I think that is my point. I'm not sure how handing tickets to idleing boats gets the low lifes off the streets. Does this friend of yours sit in a boat on the river, or does he drive a patrol car around?
Did you get the impression I am bashing cops? If so, I do not intend to, my wifes family is retired PD. They accepted a very difficult job. I like your idea that getting the low lifes off the streets/river is more important than giving tickets.
I am agreeing with you.

[Kilrtoy]

This is not hard top figure out,
Gang cops go after gangsters,
Narc cops go after drugs
Street cops go after all the shit people call in
motorcycle cops give out traffic tickets.
TIMMY if you can prove their is a Qoute I will refy my house and pay all the lawyer fees and we will both be millonaires.
I agree there are some prick cops that give out the biggest piece of shit tickets.

[Bre]

No.... this person does not patrol waterways... just in a patrol car in a very busy/high crime city. Stolen cars, people with felonys, and drugs are this persons specialty. Not writing tickets for speeding or seat belts... ect.

[Bre]

Originally posted by Kilrtoy
This is not hard top figure out,
Gang cops go after gangsters,
Narc cops go after drugs
Street cops go after all the shit people call in
motorcycle cops give out traffic tickets.
TIMMY if you can prove their is a Qoute I will refy my house and pay all the lawyer fees and we will both be millonaires.
I agree there are some prick cops that give out the biggest piece of shit tickets.
Exactly:D

[Boatcop]

I'm not sure how it works in other states, or in Municipal (City) Courts in Az, but this is how it is for the County Justice Courts, which handle all citations and misdemeanor cases in the unincorporated areas of the County.
The Justice Courts are self funding. That means that all Salaries of the Judges and clerks are from fine money. Same with things like supplies, equipment, maintenance, etc.
A percentage of the fine goes to the Court. Another percentage goes to special funds like Criminal Justice Enhancement, juvenile rehabilitation, Jail Enhancement and other court related programs. A percentage goes to the State. And finally the County General fund gets a piece.
The County share is minimal, about 15-20%. The Sheriff's Department, Game and Fish Department, Highway Patrol, Liquor Control, or any other agency that utilizes the courts for processing citations or cases, doesn't get any funding from fines.
Our budgets are not contingent on fine money in any way shape or form.
As far as County Boating Officers, our salary is 100% from Boater Registration and Marine Fuel Taxes. It's set up this way by statute, so that the only persons paying for our services are the ones that use the waterways. No County tax or fine money is used to fund our programs.
Even our equipment, such as patrol boats, and facilities like our Boating Safety Center or Havasu's Contact Point Station are initially paid for through grants from a fund which derives its revenue 100% through Registration fees and Marine fuel taxes.
The only thing county taxes pay for is fuel, which is included in the Sheriff's overall budget, and not line itemed specifically for boating. I have a meager budget of about $5,000 per year for maintenance and repairs to our boats.
My bosses have never, and will never tell me to write more or specific types of tickets. They may relay complaints received from the public, (boat noise, reckless operation in a certain area, etc.) to me, and ask that I step up enforcement, but won't tell me that I need to write X amount of tickets. When the complaints slow down or stop coming, he knows we're handling the problem.
Whether I handle it through written warnings, verbal warnings, citations or arrests, doesn't matter to him. All he cares about is that the citizens (read voters) are happy.
On the contrary, if he feels we're being too heavy handed, he will tell us to write less citations, and make more judicious use of warnings. That has been our unwritten policy ever since I've been in this job. Out of approx. 30 stops I may make on a weekend day, I'll write maybe 1 or 2 tickets. The same goes for the guys that work for me.
I know one poster participating here on this forum, and in this particular thread that can attest to this. I stopped him for cause a few weeks ago, did a quick check, warned him of the offense and sent him on his way. I could have written a ticket for the offense, but felt that a warning would suffice. It was only after I was through that he identified who he was.
So you can bitch about this all being about the money all you want. But the reality is that we do it in response to public complaints and accident data. When people stop complaining and accidents stop happening, then I guess we'll be out of a job.
But I don't see that happening any time soon.

[prosthogod]

doesn't this come back to the manufacturers selling illegal boats(assuming no mods. were made)?

[Havasu Cig]

Another reason I have been running offshore this year instead of Havasu. I am planning on making a trip out there to check on the house, but I think I will leave the boat at home. I have mufflers, but for some reason my boat seems to be a magnet.
I can't tell you how many times I have been floating in Thompson bay and watched dipshits in bayliners or on pwc,s doing all kinds of stupid shit without a problem. Try it in a performance boat at you will be stopped in a heart beat.
I personally have had more problems with the LHC water cops than the guys from California though. There is so much crap going on out there that they could focus on, but some of them don't care.
Looks like a pontoon boat is in my future for the lake.:rolleyes:

[Jrocket]

Originally posted by Bre
No.... this person does not patrol waterways... just in a patrol car in a very busy/high crime city. Stolen cars, people with felonys, and drugs are this persons specialty. Not writing tickets for speeding or seat belts... ect.
I think that dude kicked in my front door one time.Large fella with a stick in one hand and gun in the other.....or was it a jelley donut?:D

[Havasu Hangin']

Then maybe Alan can speak to the Havasu guys.
It's kinda funny to watch them pop everyone they can for noise under the bridge, but let the guy riding with his feet over the bow pass right by.
I never saw anyone get a warning...so maybe Alan can enlighten them to what is really important.

[Jrocket]

Originally posted by Havasu Cig
Looks like a pontoon boat is in my future for the lake.:rolleyes:
Let me know when you get it,Ill be the DD for ya!:D

[Havasu Cig]

You got it...:D :cool:

[Jrocket]

Originally posted by Havasu Cig
You got it...:D :cool:
BTW,tell your better half I said hello.Havent heard much from either of you two lately.Big ocean goers and all that you are.:D

[Havasu Cig]

Originally posted by Jrocket
BTW,tell your better half I said hello.Havent heard much from either of you two lately.Big ocean goers and all that you are.:D
I think she still looks at the boards once in a while, but I will tell her.:cool:

[Seadog]

It has been proven that when police crank up enforcement for little violations, it cuts down on the big violations. There are those who, given a break, will keep pushing the limits.
I personally think that any manufacturer making boats with full knowledge that they do not comply with noise regs, should be taken to task for it.

[Rexone]

Originally posted by FastTimmy
Here now I will blame the boat manufacturers.
Why are you guys selling illegal boats? Is it because you think the local PD will not mess with the boat manufacturers that employee the people that make it possible for most officers to have a JOB!!
Timmy it is my understanding that they are not illegal until Jan 2005 when the new law actually takes affect. Many manufacturers are presently taking steps to get into compliance by that time and some are stepping up early. Alot of it is due to inadequate silencers available up till now which is a situation we have been and continue to work on. Much of the stuff on the market today does not meet J2005 regardless of claims.

[FastTimmy]

Yeh I do think the new laws do not go into effect until 05'. Except for the fact that Boatcop says the law now is that all boat must have mufflers..Isn't that right Alan..
Next grip:
The ticket junk and the fact that the money does not go to the department is true just like it was for the lottery and school funds. Anyone rember the big promises made by the California Lottery. How so much of the lottery funds would go into the school system. Sound familiar yet! Well the unsaid truth that is never talked about anymore is the fact that YES lottery money did go into the school fund but for every lotto dollal that whent in to the schools a dallor was returned to the state budget. Bassicaly the lotto money did not increase the revenue to the schools it just took the burden off the state..So the state lobbies on how great the schools will be with the new funding but the real deal is that the only people to benifit where other state programs that could not or should not have gotten funding. Programs like Bluewater by the torrance guy to srew us over.
Yes like I said earlier the ticket money may not go to the PD directly but if the PD did not produce for the Municipals then the Municipals would need to draw from the funds that are directed to the PD now. There is only so much to put in and so much to put out of the pot. You can hide it however you want or direct it however you want it all goes in the pot, gets mixed up and sent back out. Yes I do understand that the Boat PD's get ther money from the fuel and reg. fees but if the tickets did not support the Municipals then they would draw from elsware like the Boating FEES's... I keep your pot full you stay out of my POT. right!!
Again just a view not fact
Timmy
To me this has brought up a good thought. Lets start a politcal section that we can use to help get some of this stupid laws off the books and show some force....Not a pissing match but a place to post new bills and legislature so we can share contact info pro or con.

[FastTimmy]

Oh and for the coments like, leave the cops alone and go after the law makers. Let me close with this.
I voted and passed a law to legalize pot for madicinal purposes. I the voter spoke, the system heard, but many law enforcment aggencies chose to ingore my vote and say that it is still not legal. So if that is the case why can law enforcement point the fingure to the next guy and say don't look at us we are just doing our jobs. BS you guys can and do with DA's and politicians decide what to enforce or not to enforce regardless of what I vote...

[Essex502]

Originally posted by Havasu Cig
Another reason I have been running offshore this year instead of Havasu. I am planning on making a trip out there to check on the house, but I think I will leave the boat at home. I have mufflers, but for some reason my boat seems to be a magnet.
I can't tell you how many times I have been floating in Thompson bay and watched dipshits in bayliners or on pwc,s doing all kinds of stupid shit without a problem. Try it in a performance boat at you will be stopped in a heart beat.
I personally have had more problems with the LHC water cops than the guys from California though. There is so much crap going on out there that they could focus on, but some of them don't care.
Looks like a pontoon boat is in my future for the lake.:rolleyes:
Havasu Cig...you can't hide offshore from the noise statute in CA. The law extends for up to one mile from the coastline of CA. Also, it covers the marina you launch in. You can be cited for excessive noise under the AB 1555 bill at idle in the marina.

[Huckleberry]

Originally posted by Boatcop
I know one poster participating here on this forum, and in this particular thread that can attest to this. I stopped him for cause a few weeks ago, did a quick check, warned him of the offense and sent him on his way. I could have written a ticket for the offense, but felt that a warning would suffice. It was only after I was through that he identified who he was.
Hmmmmmm...I wonder who this could be? It was me.

[FastTimmy]

Huckleberry,
You doing donuts on a PWC in the Blue water marina again.

[cigarette1]

Originally posted by Essex502
Havasu Cig...you can't hide offshore from the noise statute in CA. The law extends for up to one mile from the coastline of CA. Also, it covers the marina you launch in. You can be cited for excessive noise under the AB 1555 bill at idle in the marina.
You know ... we're just going to have to put silencers on the boat ... not a big deal :(
I remember riding up and down the street, PISSING OFF the neighbors, on my dirt bikes with un-corked expansion chambers :eek!:
G

[Essex502]

You're absolutely right....we will all have to move to some kind of muffling device whether we like it or not. All the whining, bitching and groaning won't change the law. Only organized opposition will do that. The fact remains...the tree hugging, whale saving, quiet seeking, eco-nazis are highly organized, well funded and connected to legislature and we're not.

[Huckleberry]

Originally posted by FastTimmy
Huckleberry,
You doing donuts on a PWC in the Blue water marina again.
LOL! No, Actually I was cruising past Fox's and, well, you know...Ya gotta show yer stuff a bit when the opportunity to do it safely presents itself. ;) I had just weaved through a slew of boats and dumb a$$ lake lice, and there was finally no one in front of me for as far as I could see(or so I thought! B/C was lurking along the bank in his stealth boat with that huge stealthy tower with blue lights on top :) ), so I opened it up for 10-15 seconds and threw up a big tail o' water. As soon as I saw a boat coming around the bend ahead, I backed off at around 80ish just in time to see the flashing blues. WOW!!! I thought to myself...I didn't know there was a KMart here on the river. I wonder if there's a special on life preservers today! :D NOPE! Just an opportunity to meet the world-famous BoatCop. After a courteous encounter we were on our way with a warning.

[Havasu Cig]

Originally posted by Essex502
Havasu Cig...you can't hide offshore from the noise statute in CA. The law extends for up to one mile from the coastline of CA. Also, it covers the marina you launch in. You can be cited for excessive noise under the AB 1555 bill at idle in the marina.
True, but I have never had a problem boating offshore. I have Corsa's on my boat now, but it probably would not pass the new regulations.
I launch the boat, idle out of the harbor, and head to open water. So far the cops patroling the harbor's and marina's on the coast here have not even given me a second look.
Havasu used to be a place to get away, now with the problems at the Marina, noise laws, enforcing the 36' limit in the channel ect... it just is not the same.
:(

[Essex502]

You're probably pretty safe with the Corsa's unless some over-eager-beaver wants to stop you for a safety inspection and he/she is smart enough to look under the hatch and see 'em. Once past the 1 mile limit you're ok.

[cigarette1]

Originally posted by titties and beer
you are right mike ,but what do they go after next?:(
Harleys with straight drag pipes ;)

[beer hunter]

Originally posted by titties and beer
you are right mike ,but what do they go after next?:(
Loud stereos? ;)

[nodigg]

Originally posted by cigarette1
Harleys with straight drag pipes ;)
Say it aint so!:( Loud pipes save lives!

[Essex502]

Originally posted by titties and beer
you are right mike ,but what do they go after next?:(
Bare breasts and open containers...looks like you might be in real trouble then! HaHa!:D

[Essex502]

Originally posted by HUFFPOWER
:yuk: :yuk: CALI SUCKS, CALI SUCKS, CALI SUCKS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!:yuk: :yuk:
A agree..I can't wait to retire and get out of CA for good. But...noise laws are going to be everywhere. They already are and it is only gonna' get worse.

[dirty old man]

Beer hunter, I'd rather hear your BBC headers than your stereo