Here's the quote for you froggy...

[RexRathburn]

The Trident/Sea Doo quote is here in this thread:
http://www.***boat.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=40828&highlight=trident+sea
It was written by Mandelon:
..."In person it is so much more. It really comes together. Initially I had the impression that this craft I have been reading about might look like an overgrown Yamaha or a bloated Sea Doo. But that was asessment was dead wrong. This is a real custom performance craft. This thing will be one badass deckboat."

[78Eliminator]

Is your name really Rex Rathburn?

[RexRathburn]

Originally posted by 78Eliminator
Is your name really Rex Rathburn?
Nope...my dogs name is Rex Rathburn;)

[78Eliminator]

It sounds like a 70s porn star name. I like it.
You can call me Reed Rothchild.

[RiverToysJas]

Originally posted by 78Eliminator
It sounds like a 70s porn star name. I like it.
You can call me Reed Rothchild.
That's cool, I'll be Rover Rashburn. :cool:
RTJas :D

[RexRathburn]

Ha ha...Reed Rothchild is a great porn name!
Rex Rathburn is really a name I came up with while some friends and I were drunk bench racing in the desert (I then named my next dog that). All it takes is a bunch of drunks locked in an enclosed trailer (because of a wind storm) and a video camera and you are pulling names like Rex Rathburn out of our asses and racing for the Briggs and Stratton race team...fukn hilarious!:D

[Froggystyle]

Thanks "Rex"! Wrong one though. I am looking for the original that Mande was referencing.
Someone said right after we released it that it looked like a big Sea Doo. THAT is the one I need... ;)

[Tom Brown]

I'd like my porn name to be Twichy Johnson.

[AngryJosh]

Call me Anal Intruder!!:eek: :eek:

[RexRathburn]

Originally posted by Froggystyle
Thanks "Rex"! Wrong one though. I am looking for the original that Mande was referencing.
Someone said right after we released it that it looked like a big Sea Doo. THAT is the one I need... ;)
Ahhh, sorry 'bout that. If I come across it I'll let you know!;)

[OGShocker]

You dog is a porn star? WTF???:D It is a great name!

[78Eliminator]

Originally posted by Froggystyle
Thanks "Rex"! Wrong one though. I am looking for the original that Mande was referencing.
Someone said right after we released it that it looked like a big Sea Doo. THAT is the one I need... ;)
Wes, I spent an hour looking for it. I think it has been deleted by the culprit....

[sandblasted]

Originally posted by Froggystyle
Thanks "Rex"! Wrong one though. I am looking for the original that Mande was referencing.
Someone said right after we released it that it looked like a big Sea Doo. THAT is the one I need... ;)
It may have been mine....That was an old thread that was on here right after the model was unveiled...I can't remember word for word what I posted but it was something like this:
sandblasted:
"Am I the only one that thinks it looks like a big Sea Doo?"
Froggy's reply:
"Yep, you're the only one!"
My observation was based on the engine hatch as the shape reminded me of a Sea Doo or Yamaha...
You must not have been to upset as I am still receiving Trident updates! :D

[RexRathburn]

Originally posted by OGShocker
You dog is a porn star? WTF???:D It is a great name!
Ha ha...only in his own back yard!

[Froggystyle]

Originally posted by sandblasted
It may have been mine....That was an old thread that was on here right after the model was unveiled...I can't remember word for word what I posted but it was something like this:
sandblasted:
"Am I the only one that thinks it looks like a big Sea Doo?"
Froggy's reply:
"Yep, you're the only one!"
My observation was based on the engine hatch as the shape reminded me of a Sea Doo or Yamaha...
You must not have been to upset as I am still receiving Trident updates! :D
That's it!!!!!
I am so going to find the original... That is my new signature.
No offense taken whatsoever. I thought it was funny, but I figured we would get a little of that. The design is such a departure you will always get resistance.

[Froggystyle]

That was the clue I needed!!!!
Here is the thread, and I have a new sig!
http://www.***boat.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=33482

[HCS]

Originally posted by Froggystyle
That was the clue I needed!!!!
Here is the thread, and I have a new sig!
http://www.***boat.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=33482
How long do you think it will take for another manufacture to
copy your Sea Doo? Or try and produce something close to it
using your ideas?
Look at the ski boats industry. They all look the same.
I was truly amazed when I went to the Mastercraft showroom
and looked at the 2004 Pro star 190. It is almost identical to
my 1995 Malibu. A 9 year spread between 2 manufactures
and nothings change. Except the power plant and some minor
gadjets. That's mostly due to the class action law suit against
Mercruiser. But if I wanted I could put any power plant I want
in my boat.
I know....there just ski boats.:rolleyes: I just find it interesting.
Iv'e always wanted to be in the boat manufacturing process.:)

[Gman]

Porn name:
Bob Whackadoo or Harry Ramsbottom

[sandblasted]

Originally posted by Froggystyle
That was the clue I needed!!!!
Here is the thread, and I have a new sig!
http://www.***boat.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=33482
I'm just glad to make a positive contribution on these threads....
Got another idea for you...Take a pic of the new boat doing about 80mph with a passenger wearing a t-shirt that says:
" this ain't no Sea Doo boat!!"
Good luck with the new boats, looking forward to seeing them on the water!!:D

[Froggystyle]

Originally posted by HARDCORE-SKI
How long do you think it will take for another manufacture to
copy your Sea Doo? Or try and produce something close to it
using your ideas?
Long enough for them to save up enough money to start over because of patent, copyright or trademark infringement. :D
I am wrapped up with IP. In addition, my IP firm worked on contingency to a degree so they could gain profit off of prosecution. We are planning on litigation, and have IP infringements damn near planned as a profit center.
Anyone that swipes a gel design, hull design, side swimstep, front ramp or myriad other protected features better be prepared to write a big check for each infringement, as I am liscensing all of it for a price.
I can't wait! ;)

[Froggystyle]

Originally posted by sandblasted
I'm just glad to make a positive contribution on these threads....
Got another idea for you...Take a pic of the new boat doing about 80mph with a passenger wearing a t-shirt that says:
" this ain't no Sea Doo boat!!"
Good luck with the new boats, looking forward to seeing them on the water!!:D
I'll get you a copy of that pic SB!

[welk2party]

Originally posted by Froggystyle
Long enough for them to save up enough money to start over because of patent, copyright or trademark infringement. :D
I am wrapped up with IP. In addition, my IP firm worked on contingency to a degree so they could gain profit off of prosecution. We are planning on litigation, and have IP infringements damn near planned as a profit center.
Anyone that swipes a gel design, hull design, side swimstep, front ramp or myriad other protected features better be prepared to write a big check for each infringement, as I am liscensing all of it for a price.
I can't wait! ;)
Wes, I applaud you for your efforts to protect what you have obviously worked so hard for. My question for you is how are you able to legally protect yourself from copying? It is my understanding that the copy needs only marginal differences to be considered not a copy. I had the chance to get into the boat biz years ago and this was one of the main reasons I did not make the plunge.

[HCS]

Originally posted by welk2party
Wes, I applaud you for your efforts to protect what you have obviously worked so hard for. My question for you is how are you able to legally protect yourself from copying? It is my understanding that the copy needs only marginal differences to be considered not a copy. I had the chance to get into the boat biz years ago and this was one of the main reasons I did not make the plunge.
That's what I was thinking. There only would have to be a slight
difference in design. They would basically steal your idea and use
it. Sounds like he has it all covered the best you can.

[rrrr]

Originally posted by Froggystyle
Long enough for them to save up enough money to start over because of patent, copyright or trademark infringement. :D
I am wrapped up with IP. In addition, my IP firm worked on contingency to a degree so they could gain profit off of prosecution. We are planning on litigation, and have IP infringements damn near planned as a profit center.
Anyone that swipes a gel design, hull design, side swimstep, front ramp or myriad other protected features better be prepared to write a big check for each infringement, as I am liscensing all of it for a price.
I can't wait! ;)
Sounds like you should vote for Kerry and Edwards! :D :D
Those bastages will bring the country to its knees if elected. Edwards will turn the trial lawyers loose on us all....
Hope the boat continues to make progress.....

[Froggystyle]

Originally posted by HARDCORE-SKI
That's what I was thinking. There only would have to be a slight
difference in design. They would basically steal your idea and use
it. Sounds like he has it all covered the best you can.
That is a falacy. A common one, but a falacy none the less.
The "10%" change is nowhere in any law, anywhere. I have utility and design patents. In addition, I have copyrights and trademarks... From the beginning...
A utility patent protects an idea, or a means of accomplishing a task. For example, my side swimstep, or my Tri-Hydro hull design. These are protected by description of utility above all else. The utility applies to a 21 foot boat or a 80 foot boat. Our front ramp's design is also protected by utility patent because of a secondary characteristic it holds that I won't go into.
A design patent protects the aesthetics of an innovation. My side swimstep, my two-level parting line, the front ramp, the shape of the bottom, my bezels and rear door are all protected by design patents.
Trademarks protect the consumer from misrepresentation or confusion. What this means is, if a potential consumer saw a Trident on the water with our gelcoat and fell in love, and then saw another boat with a splashed copy of it in a showroom, they could be confused. Maybe even people were talking about our boat all weekend, and they thought they saw another deckboat with our design and bought it instead. Most boats don't have a lot of manufacturers nametags on them. Ours won't have any on the outside. It would be easy to confuse two boats of similar types if the gelcoat design was the same. I have trademarked my logo, my slogan and our icon, the Trident. Our gelcoat designs are protected because of our icon trademark. I have incorporated a Trident into our gel designs, and so it becomes a "fanciful rendition" of our logo itself. In addition, all other gelcoat designs I have come up with, since they are novel, are covered as well. I will liscense my designs to other companies for a hefty fee. This should prevent any splashing without payment.
If for example a boat does make it on the water with one of my designs, I am entitled to sue (and will win hands down) for the price of my liscense fee plus legal fees. The only proof you need is that my design is trademarked or copywritten, and theirs looks enough like it to draw confusion.
Hope this helps.

[al cole'holic]

I take it the Trident will have its own graphics that come on it and therefore would not be customer designed..??

[welk2party]

I would not say this would be accurate. You could easily influence Wes's designs into your own and still have the spirit of the original design that is ultimately protected from splashing. As a customer, this is a selling point. Here are templates of designs, so lets work something out that is original to you.

[Froggystyle]

This exact thing happened yesterday. A client called who has a specific design in mind. We are going to work on it some more on Friday, but what I offered them was an actual copyright on their design that they would hold. Since I have my IP lawyers on retainer, this is not very cost prohibitive. For an extra $500 or so, they have a gel design they can legitimately protect if they want to, and liscense the use of.
At the very least, I would never build another boat like it. That is their design, period.
Now, I am hoping these are for the most part purchased off the showroom floor. I have yet to meet a custom boat client that wouldn't rather have something they like a lot, and met most of their needs TODAY instead of something perfect in 6-8 weeks.
In any case, time will tell. MY graphics are protected.

[RiverDave]

Relevant to the discussion at hand with regards to patents.. ;)
Obscure Patents (http://www.delphion.com/galleryarch)
Wes do you have patent #'s assigned yet or are they still pending?
RD

[HCS]

I wouldn't really think that another boat manufacture would take
the time or effort to imitate your whole design. Even though I
wouldn't put it past em.
When you have great ideas and cutting edge technology
obviously heads will turn. When crowds gather around your
product and people rave at your innovations other manufactures
will take note. They will build off of your ideas.
One thing for sure is that your deck boat is unique and will be
one of it's kind.
Great job!
Tom:)

[al cole'holic]

..I only ask cause I wonder, how do you keep a buyer of another boat brand to not be able to do some similar scheme of a Trident gel? Checkers, scallops, 7 color gels, the old "hockey stick" deck designs of the 70's and 80's...Every company building boats did em. Is this what you are trying to avoid? The future...?

[Froggystyle]

Originally posted by al cole'holic
..I only ask cause I wonder, how do you keep a buyer of another boat brand to not be able to do some similar scheme of a Trident gel? Checkers, scallops, 7 color gels, the old "hockey stick" deck designs of the 70's and 80's...Every company building boats did em. Is this what you are trying to avoid? The future...?
You don't. You keep the manufacturer from doing it. More importantly, you keep them from doing it without paying you for your IP.
The difference was, up until the Revolution hits the water, that companies could not throw stones while living in glass houses. Pretty tough to bitch about gelcoat theft while spraying yours on his bottom design.
If anyone sees a replica of my design, rest assured a lawsuit has been initiated, or a check cashed. One of the two. My gelcoat will be a trademark of my company, and a reflection of our quality and our attention to detail. To steal it would be exactly that... theft. Laws protect against this, and I know them. More importantly, the pit bull of a law firm I have knows them, and they stand to profit from the application of my patent protection.
The solution is simple. Don't steal my ideas. ;)

[HCS]

Originally posted by Froggystyle
The solution is simple. Don't steal my ideas. ;) [/B]
I won't, but Sea Doo might.:D