OBAMA - The Moderate

[carbonmarine]

This guy is indeed good.... Well placed points, good steady delivery and not a thing out of place. It could almost make political sense .... Forget who he is , what his story is , etc..
The speach and its contents, components were well delivered and the message was moderate and palatable to a lot of Americans. The speech was true to what the DNC is or
rather used to be... More moderate closer to the center...
** THIS IS PROOF POSITIVE THAT THE DNC HAS BEEN HIGH JACKED BY A BUNCH OF SOCIALISTS....AND EXACTLY WHY BUSH WILL BE RE-ELECTED. HAD THE DNC SELECTED A MODERATE. THE RACE WOULD HAVE BEEN TIGHT.....
Rick32 :cool:

[summerlove]

Originally posted by carbonmarine
This guy is indeed good.... Well placed points, good steady delivery and not a thing out of place. It could almost make political sense .... Forget who he is , what his story is , etc..
The speach and its contents, components were well delivered and the message was moderate and palatable to a lot of Americans. The speech was true to what the DNC is or
rather used to be... More moderate closer to the center...
** THIS IS PROOF POSITIVE THAT THE DNC HAS BEEN HIGH JACKED BY A BUNCH OF SOCIALISTS....AND EXACTLY WHY BUSH WILL BE RE-ELECTED. HAD THE DNC SELECTED A MODERATE. THE RACE WOULD HAVE BEEN TIGHT.....
Rick32 :cool:
It'll be a blow out all right!

[OGShocker]

That guy NAILED his speech!
Do you think after that speech the Dem's will force all federal forms asking for race will say, American or Non-American only?

[carbonmarine]

glad you could see that ......:cool:

[Dr. Eagle]

I don't think either of you guys are right... I think we'll be counting dangling chads or misplaced electrons, cuz right now it's split right down the middle. Put Ralph Nader back in the mix and the tilt is slight (but within the margin of error of any poll) toward Bush.
Should be an interesting race...

[rrrr]

The whole thing is a puppet show, designed to portray Senator Heinz-Kerry as a genuine article.
He is carefully constructing a facade, a false image, to appeal to a broader range of people.
You wanna get creeped out? Think about Kerry winning the election, and filling cabinet posts with all the losers in the Democrat party. How about Gephardt as Secretary of State? Al Gore as Director of the EPA?
OK, I gotta stop. It's too hideous to even imagine.
:yuk: :yuk:

[carbonmarine]

Hey Doc,
I'll bet ya a pack of smokes that the election goes to Bush at a margin greater than 6% or Electorate Votes ....? The Popular Vote wont even come into play as it did last time...........
Rick32:cool:

[Dr. Eagle]

Originally posted by carbonmarine
Hey Doc,
I'll bet ya a pack of smokes that the election goes to Bush at a margin greater than 6% or Electorate Votes ....? The Popular Vote wont even come into play as it did last time...........
Rick32:cool:
I think it'll be closer... but I'll bet ya a 6 pack or something...

[carbonmarine]

Great then the bet is : 6 Pack Cold Coors Lights for Spring/Summer 2005 Havasu Season !!
:cool: :cool: :cool: :cool: TALL CANS:cool: :cool: :cool: :cool:

[Dr. Eagle]

:cool: :cool: :cool: :cool: YOU'RE ON:cool: :cool: :cool: :cool:
Hopefully Gee Dubb blows this Kerry guy's swift boat (dingy) out of the water and I'll have to pay up...

[OGShocker]

Originally posted by Dr. Eagle
:cool: :cool: :cool: :cool: YOU'RE ON:cool: :cool: :cool: :cool:
Hopefully Gee Dubb blows this Kerry guy's swift boat (dingy) out of the water and I'll have to pay up...
If you lose, Rick has bummed enough smokes off me, just send them here.:D j/k Rick

[summerlove]

Originally posted by carbonmarine
Great then the bet is : 6 Pack Cold Coors Lights for Spring/Summer 2005 Havasu Season !!
:cool: :cool: :cool: :cool: TALL CANS:cool: :cool: :cool: :cool:
I want action on this! I'm upping the ante - a case of bullets delivered personally by me to you at your Havasu location of choice wearing a "I Love Bush" T-shirt. I'll even agree to posting the picture here on HB! If Kerry wins, you re-register a democrat -and I get to mail the official registration card!
Are you ready to RUUMMMBBBBLLLLLEEEEEE?

[carbonmarine]

I love free bullets, but the whole re-registyering as a Dem is a lil outta hand dont ya think ????? was that to both OG & I or ....
Lol,
Rick

[summerlove]

Originally posted by carbonmarine
I love free bullets, but the whole re-registyering as a Dem is a lil outta hand dont ya think ????? was that to both OG & I or ....
Lol,
Rick
No, only you! You can re-register the very next day for all I care. I just want to see that card filled in and dropped in the mail. We can do it together at Havasu. I just want a picture of it!;)
Come on now, if you're so confident....:rolleyes: ;)

[summerlove]

Originally posted by summerlove
No, only you! You can re-register the very next day for all I care. I just want to see that card filled in and dropped in the mail. We can do it together at Havasu. I just want a picture of it!;)
Come on now, if you're so confident....:rolleyes: ;)
I'll take the same action on OG......;) :p

[Dave C]

SL--- don't do it man.
Not try to stir it up but its a sucker bet.
I think Bush will win popular and electoral.
They haven't even got warmed up on Kerry yet. We still got months to go.

[summerlove]

Originally posted by Dave C
SL--- don't do it man.
Not try to stir it up but its a sucker bet.
I think Bush will win popular and electoral.
They haven't even got warmed up on Kerry yet. We still got months to go.
I think JK has a greater chance of beating Bush than Al Bore did. So, I think I'm ok. Bush's approval rating is very low and continues to drop. Sure, he'll get a boost after the convention but Iraq is gonna doom him. My .02. If I lose, it's a case of bullets and I have to wear a shirt that says I Love Bush!;)

[carbonmarine]

My only point was the re-registering. But since your being so insistant...... I want a 6 pack of coors lights ( tall ), you to re-register as GOP'er, the I LOVE GW BUSH T-shirt, All the Pictures & those bullets in 10mm !
The bet is Bush wins another term. Period.
If you accept :
:cool: :cool: :cool: :cool: I AGREE :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool:
Rick32

[Dave C]

I'm too far away to bet. You boys can have all the fun.
Approval rating has very little to do with his reelection chances.
I disagree. Al Bore had a much better chance at winning than Kerry. Bore had incumbency on his side.
Plus Kerry can't win on the "I hate Bush ticket." They need something substantive.
Oh well call it as you see it... Just trying to help ya!

[LHC30Victory]

Originally posted by carbonmarine
Great then the bet is : 6 Pack Cold Coors Lights for Spring/Summer 2005 Havasu Season !!
:cool: :cool: :cool: :cool: TALL CANS:cool: :cool: :cool: :cool:
Is that PER HOUR???

[summerlove]

Originally posted by carbonmarine
My only point was the re-registering. But since your being so insistant...... I want a 6 pack of coors lights ( tall ), you to re-register as GOP'er, the I LOVE GW BUSH T-shirt, All the Pictures & those bullets in 10mm !
The bet is Bush wins another term. Period.
If you accept :
:cool: :cool: :cool: :cool: I AGREE :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool:
Rick32
OK to the 6 pack of talls, I'll reregister GOP, and I'll wear a I Love Bush tshirt and we can take a pic. Kerry wins, you do the same except its a reregister as a dem, and you can leave the t-shirt home.:cool:
OGS, you in? or are ya ------> yellaw?:eek:

[carbonmarine]

Fine .... your on... We have a digital handshake.
I think my brotha OG should be in as well.....
Rick32:cool:
PS : What happend to the bullets ??

[summerlove]

Originally posted by carbonmarine
Fine .... your on... We have a digital handshake.
I think my brotha OG should be in as well.....
Rick32:cool:
PS : What happend to the bullets ??
they're there....;) I can't wait to kick your A$$!;) This is gonna be sooo much fUn! :D :D :D I'm giddy with excitement!:p

[MagicMtnDan]

Obama sounds good, looks good but his speech, like all the others at conventions, said nothing of substance.
He quoted the Declaration of Independence (picture American flags waving in the breeze, America the Beautiful playing in the background, etc.), and said nothing.
Like most liberal blacks (er, African Americans), he mentioned slaves - this time he envisioned them sitting around a fire dreaming about a better place. Whatever.
They can paint the blank canvas anyway they want, they still want to raise taxes, give "free healthcare to everybody" (have us pay for healthcare for those who won't work), and there's nothing else of substance. Kerry doesn't differentiate himself (nor do his liberal Dem speakers do it for him - they can't) from Bush other than to say negatives about the President.
John Kerry, the most extreme liberal in the senate and his running mate, the most obscene trial lawyer in recent memory. Now there's a ticket that only Bush-haters can love.
My money's on Bush and Cheney - after the Republican convention when substance is presented and people start seeing through the ghost that is John Kerry, the tide (polls) will start to turn.
Michael socialist Moore has had his fun, it will soon be time for the truth - this war on terrorism isn't over and we're all at risk and the American people don't feel comfortable having anti-war trial lawyers "protecting us."
Besides the alternative to another four years of Bush is too horrifying to contemplate :eek:

[summerlove]

Originally posted by MagicMtnDan
Michael socialist Moore has had his fun, it will soon be time for the truth - this war on terrorism isn't over and we're all at risk and the American people don't feel comfortable having anti-war trial lawyers "protecting us."
I haven't seen F 9/11 but intend to so so at some point. I do have some very conservative friends (top 1% etc) who have seen it and to tell you the truth they were questioning W as well....I don't think they will flip sides of the aisle but the questioned it none the less. Interesting.....

[Mr.Havasu]

Originally posted by carbonmarine
Fine .... your on... We have a digital handshake.
I think my brotha OG should be in as well.....
Rick32:cool:
PS : What happend to the bullets ??
You boys are all tooo funny! In any event, I want to be there to help the winner down the six pack and maybe I can be the official photographer or something,:D
Isn't it a beautiful country where opposing sides can settle things with a 6 pack!:D You boys play nice now.

[summerlove]

Originally posted by warlock25
You boys are all tooo funny! In any event, I want to be there to help the winner down the six pack and maybe I can be the official photographer or something,:D
Isn't it a beautiful country where opposing sides can settle things with a 6 pack!:D You boys play nice now.
It's OK, because i'll be laughling last!!!:D Can't wait for those cold brews!

[OGShocker]

Originally posted by summerlove
OK to the 6 pack of talls, I'll reregister GOP, and I'll wear a I Love Bush tshirt and we can take a pic. Kerry wins, you do the same except its a reregister as a dem, and you can leave the t-shirt home.:cool:
OGS, you in? or are ya ------> yellaw?:eek:
OK!
Number one! I drink Captain Morgans. When you buy the bottle please make sure it a 1.75 litre bottle.
Number two. Through in an Opus X cigar (Cuban).
Number three. Give $100.00 to the RNC. The tax savings GW gave you will MORE than cover your kind donation.
Include these things and wear the Republican T-shirt of OUR choosing and I am in.
Yellaw THAT!:D

[SoCalOffshore]

michael moore is a lieing commie bast@rd and so is his movie. anyone who would believe that crap is just fooling themselves. his biggest accusation was that bush flew out osama bin laden's family when the US airspace was closed. this is a proven LIE.

[summerlove]

Originally posted by OGShocker
OK!
Number one! I drink Captain Morgans. When you buy the bottle please make sure it a 1.75 litre bottle.
Number two. Through in an Opus X cigar (Cuban).
Number three. Give $100.00 to the RNC. The tax savings GW gave you will MORE than cover your kind donation.
Include these things and wear the Republican T-shirt of OUR choosing and I am in.
Yellaw THAT!:D
Pass on the donation and you've got a deal - I'll even make it "Special Reserve" same both ways. deal?

[OGShocker]

Originally posted by summerlove
Pass on the donation and you've got a deal - I'll even make it "Special Reserve" same both ways. deal?
The donation is KEY. Yellaw?

[carbonmarine]

Oh !! beautious .... this is getting not good, but GREAT !
OG, we'll pound that Capt. and share it around.... but were keeping those cold Beers to our selves ala River Dave Style !!!!
lol,
Rick32:D

[OGShocker]

Were SCREWED CM! (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,127249,00.html) :D :p

[summerlove]

Originally posted by OGShocker
The donation is KEY. Yellaw?
You're on!
Here's the deal:
SL and Carbon:
Six pack of talls to the winner and the loser has to re-register as a member of the opposite party. Pictures abound. SL to wear a I Love Bush "T"
SL and OGS
Loser has to re-register, pop for a c-note to the opposite party and re-register to that party. Winner get's a bottle of Cap't Morgan Private Reserve anbd a cohiba. T shirts both ways.
Are we done frolicking gentlemen or do we have a wager?

[Ducatista]

My impression so far of the DNC is that it looks like the same old thing from the Democratic Party. The same old white dudes who came into power during the civil rights movement of the 60's, the same old rhetoric. Kennedy, Carter, Clinton, Gore, bah bah bah. This supposedly anti-Bush bashing convention appears very "fake" to me, and I too, see little substance.
Thank god they have Michael Moore to sit in the Presidental box talking about his "it's all about me theme." They rolled out the red carpet for "me". Now I can buy a new yatch for "me". This convention is the best thing to happen for Bush's relection chances that I have seen yet, IMO. :)

[summerlove]

Originally posted by SoCalOffshore
his biggest accusation was that bush flew out osama bin laden's family when the US airspace was closed. this is a proven LIE.
Are you certain about your position on this? You might want to reconsider your answer...
From Snopes.com, a respected website that either validates or disputes urban legends and rumors:
Claim: Secret flights whisked bin Laden family members out of the U.S. over the objection of the FBI two days after the September 11 attacks, while a general ban on air travel was still in effect, and before the FBI had any opportunity to question them.
Status: Multiple — see below
In the two days immediately following the September 11 terrorist attacks on America, the U.S. government allowed bin Laden family members to fly within the country during a general ban on air travel: True.
During that same period the U.S. government allowed bin Laden family members to fly out of the U.S.: Undetermined.
The flights carrying bin Laden family members out of the U.S took place over the objections of the FBI: False.
The FBI was denied any opportunity to question departing bin Laden family members: False.
Origins: I owe Michael Moore an apology. In a January 2002 interview with Al D'Amato and Alan Colmes of the FOX Network, Michael Moore said:
Why did this country allow the bin Laden family, two days after — two days after September 11 — to fly around America and pick up all the bin Laden relatives, about 24 of them, and take them to Europe? Not a single one of them was interrogated by the FBI.
That set me off on a tirade, and it shouldn't have. Part of Mr. Moore's statement has since been proved to be correct — during the ban on air travel, some Saudis (including members of the bin Laden family) were transported by air to assembly points in the U.S. in preparation for their leaving the country. In an earlier version of this article, I ranted and raved about his avowing bin Laden flights had taken place while no one was allowed to fly. Yet some did, at least within the U.S.
I shouldn't have yelled at him. He was right about that.
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[carbonmarine]

NO. You lefties ABHORE guns and the NRA..... So. for symbolism sake I truly feel that a Bullet Purchase ( by you) , maybe a 1 yr. NRA Membership is also, in order !
Rick32

[summerlove]

Originally posted by carbonmarine
NO. You lefties ABHORE guns and the NRA..... So. for symbolism sake I truly feel that a Bullet Purchase ( by you) , maybe a 1 yr. NRA Membership is also, in order !
Rick32
I don't own a gun and I certainly do not want to purchase any bullets that you can't drink! You know I was referring to Silver Bullets as in Coors Light.
Don't change the bet....either we have one or we don't!:rolleyes:

[carbonmarine]

We have one. Your on insofar as I am concerned. OG I know is working on his bet with ya... ** I say ya finalize that deal with him and lets all wait & see........
Rick32:cool:

[OGShocker]

You're on!
Here's the deal:
SL and Carbon:
Six pack of talls to the winner and the loser has to re-register as a member of the opposite party. Pictures abound. SL to wear a I Love Bush "T"
SL and OGS
Loser has to re-register, pop for a c-note to the opposite party and re-register to that party. Winner get's a bottle of Cap't Morgan Private Reserve ( OGS likes the regular Capt') and a cohiba. T shirts both ways.
I edited.:D
I am in!
Carb, Drinks at Havasu (our place) on the sundeck November 6th.
SL's buying... :D

[Ducatista]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by summerlove
[B]Are you certain about your position on this? You might want to reconsider your answer...
From Snopes.com, a respected website that either validates or disputes urban legends and rumors:
I doubt it, we trust the 911 commission more that Snopes.com.:rolleyes:

[OGShocker]

Originally posted by Ducatista
[QUOTE][i]
I doubt it, we trust the 911 commission more that Snopes.com.:rolleyes:
DOH! Point goes to the Duc'!

[eliminatedsprinter]

Originally posted by summerlove
I want action on this! I'm upping the ante - a case of bullets delivered personally by me to you at your Havasu location of choice wearing a "I Love Bush" T-shirt. I'll even agree to posting the picture here on HB! If Kerry wins, you re-register a democrat -and I get to mail the official registration card!
Are you ready to RUUMMMBBBBLLLLLEEEEEE?
I'd take this bet, but it wouldn't be fair because I am still a regesterd democrat. I just stopped voting for them when the party went so far to the left. Like I have said many times here before, I'm going to stay registerd as a Dem until 2008, so I can vote twice aginst H. Clinton.
Like I said in the other thred, Obama made a fantastic speech that was more republician than Bush. He also made the, Grey Davis like, Kerry sound like he is Teddy Roosevelt.
I would find hope in the content of his speech (the parts that were not the Kerry hype) if I only didn't know about the totally different and more leftist stuff he has said in his congressional run.

[summerlove]

Originally posted by Ducatista
[QUOTE]Originally posted by summerlove
[B]Are you certain about your position on this? You might want to reconsider your answer...
From Snopes.com, a respected website that either validates or disputes urban legends and rumors:
I doubt it, we trust the 911 commission more that Snopes.com.:rolleyes:
While I could not confirm form the 911 comission, I did find a cnn report of the comission that says the comission found that it did indeed happen, just not all on the 13th, but up to 8 days following 9/11.....Show me the proof and I'll admit I was wrong, but it doesn't happen very often!;)

[summerlove]

Originally posted by OGShocker
You're on!
Here's the deal:
SL and Carbon:
Six pack of talls to the winner and the loser has to re-register as a member of the opposite party. Pictures abound. SL to wear a I Love Bush "T" if he loses (note EDIT)
SL and OGS
Loser has to re-register, pop for a c-note to the opposite party and re-register to that party. Winner get's a bottle of Cap't Morgan Private Reserve ( OGS likes the regular Capt') and a cohiba. T shirts both ways.
I edited.:D
I am in!
Carb, Drinks at Havasu (our place) on the sundeck November 6th.
SL's buying... :D
Party at the house of the Loser! Can't wait to see that new house of your's OG!
;)

[SoCalOffshore]

They didnt fly out of the country untill 2 weeks after 9/11 and the airspace was open. I think they flew out on Ted kennedy's private jet. this i only heard in passing though. :D

[summerlove]

Originally posted by SoCalOffshore
They didnt fly out of the country untill 2 weeks after 9/11 and the airspace was open. I think they flew out on Ted kennedy's private jet. this i only heard in passing though. :D
I heard it was between 2 and 8 days and they used AF1:D

[Dave C]

either way who f-ing cares.
Did these people commit a crime? NO
Did these people have an information about a crime? PROBABLY NOT.
What is our intent to hold them then? NONE
The old man binladen had 22 wives and who knows how many kids.
The family disavowed Osama when he lost his Saudi citizenship in the early 90's.
This is like blaming a person for their 13th cousin robbing a bank. Guilt by association.
Goebels' would be proud.

[572Daytona]

Originally posted by summerlove
While I could not confirm form the 911 comission, I did find a cnn report of the comission that says the comission found that it did indeed happen, just not all on the 13th, but up to 8 days following 9/11.....Show me the proof and I'll admit I was wrong, but it doesn't happen very often!;)
How about proof from Binladen himself?
Moore is a big fat liar (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=7&u=/ap/20040728/ap_on_en_mo/film_bin_laden_moore_3)

[summerlove]

Originally posted by Dave C
either way who f-ing cares.
Did these people commit a crime? NO
Did these people have an information about a crime? PROBABLY NOT.
What is our intent to hold them then? NONE
The old man binladen had 22 wives and who knows how many kids.
The family disavaowed Osama when he lost his Saudi citizenship in the early 90's.
This is like blaming you for your 13th cousin robing a bank. Guilt by association.
Goebels' would be proud.
Dave, chill. I agree with you. I dind't bring it up......

[OGShocker]

Originally posted by summerlove
Party at the house of the Loser! Can't wait to see that new house of your's OG!
;)
Are you calling me a loser? Does your stopping buy the new place make me a loser? Don't be so hard on yourself.
FYI, I will not be at our place on Novemember 6th. Carbon, Warlock25 and the entire Shocker clan will be at your place hoisting bullets and Morgans to GWB's landslide victory.... remember?

[eliminatedsprinter]

Back to Obama- The moderate. The speech he made was great (too bad for the Dems it was on the least watched night). However, based on the further left nature of his congressional run, I'm afraid much of it is just a very well articulated act.
When is this convention going to start presenting thier platform? I know they have spent much of their time these last few years hiding and obfiscating it. But is this going to be the year they pretend not to even have one or what? So far the only specific policy change I have heard suggested was when H. Clinton said Kerry would lift the ban on stem cell reasearch (partial ban that is) and that is a political no brainer, esp since the polls show about 70% in favor of that move.
Oh yea, and how could I forget when his stuck in the 60's wife said Kerry would "reverse global warming". He he he, now that's funny. Maybe she can have him move the earth closer to mars so we won't have to look from so far to study it, as well.;)

[summerlove]

Originally posted by OGShocker
Are you calling me a loser? Does your stopping buy the new place make me a loser? Don't be so hard on yourself.
FYI, I will not be at our place on Novemember 6th. Carbon, Warlock25 and the entire Shocker clan will be at your place hoisting bullets and Morgans to GWB's landslide victory.... remember?
Winning isn't everything - It's the only thing!!!;) I didn't mean to impoly you were a loser in the sense, of "Man, your such a loser!:yuk: " ----> more of a the loser of the bet buys the goods! :D
SL -------> Big Smile on his face!!!!:D