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MagicMtnDan
08-12-2004, 11:19 AM
Senator John Kerry, Democrat from Massachusetts, says he is the strongest Presidential Candidate on National Defense ! He said check the record. If you do hereÂ’s what youÂ’ll learn:
He voted to kill the Bradley Fighting Vehicle
He voted to kill the M-1 Abrams Tank
He voted to kill every Aircraft carrier laid down from 1988
He voted to kill the Aegis anti aircraft system
He voted to Kill the F-15 strike eagle
He voted to Kill the Block 60 F-16
He voted to Kill the P-3 Orion upgrade
He voted to Kill the B-1
He voted to Kill the B-2
He voted to Kill the Patriot anti Missile system
He voted to Kill the FA-18
He voted to Kill the B-2
He voted to Kill the F117
He voted to kill every military appropriation for the development and deployment of every weapons systems since 1988, including a bill for battle armor for our troops.
He voted to kill all anti-terrorism activities of each and every agency of the U.S. Government.
He voted to cut the funding of the FBI by 60%.
He voted to cut the funding for the CIA by 80%.
He voted to cut the funding for the NSA by 80%.
THEN, and this is abhorrent to almost every American Voter be you Democrat, Republican or Independent, he voted to increase OUR funding for U.N operations by 800%!
Ask yourself Is THIS the person you want as President of these United States providing for the Common Defense of the Nation and be the Leader of the Free World ?
Voting history can be accessed through Senate voting records. The above is an accurate summary.
I do not know if you saw any part of the Democratic "Taking Back America" Convention – if you did you would have seen Hillary introduce George Soros as speaker – a man she called a "Great American".
Who is George Soros? George Soros is a Hungarian born naturalized American who made his fortune in dubious ways. He was tried in England for stock manipulation and almost brought down a couple of small countries with his money. With that said, hereÂ’s what he says he believes in:
1. God does NOT exist, therefore Christians are all extremist.
2. George Bush is a Christian, therefore, he MUST be defeated.
3. He equates the prison scandal in Iraq with the 9/11 terrorist attack on the USA.
4. He states all drugs should be legal.
5. He believes in abortion on demand.
6. He believes in euthanasia.
7. He thinks the majority of American voters are stupid, otherwise they would vote Democratic.
8. He has donated $16 million to "http://www.moveon.org/", an organization dedicated to bringing down our Commander in Chief. So much for campaign finance laws reform.
9. Stated he was prepared to spend $70 million to bring down Bush if necessary.
10. Stated he would destroy the American economy and put people out of work IF George Bush was reelected.
This man is the benefactor of John Kerry and the Democratic Party. Is this the party that has AmericaÂ’s best interest at heart?? I don't think so. It is all about liberal power that will ultimately destroy this country if we continue to elect people like Kerry, Kennedy, Clinton, Levin, Dashcle, Pelosi, and others.

gnarley
08-12-2004, 11:46 AM
MMD, in the case of his voting do we know why he didn't vote on a particular bill? Just about every bill that enters the floor ends up getting so many trailer bills attached to it the original intent of the bill becomes overshadowed and the cost balloons immensely. If they could just stick to the bill without adding anything to it we would then find out what our Senators really think. No one here really cares why he voted the way he did, all that seems to matter is he voted against more military. Can you also publish what all those bills were in their entirety? You might have also voted against something if you read the entire bill and most Senators don't read the entire bill, their staffers do and brief the Senator on the contents. Maybe he is one of the few who actually read a bills contents??? And if all these bills passed whoÂ’s going to pay for it? What did we really need and what was absolutely necessary? I do feel he was out of line in voting to increase OUR funding of the U.N. with more of our money however! F the U.N.
Oh and by the way aren't there benefactors of Bush and the Republican Party? To imply that only one party or candidate has benefactors is hypocritical, IMO

eliminatedsprinter
08-12-2004, 12:29 PM
MMD, in the case of his voting do we know why he didn't vote on a particular bill? Just about every bill that enters the floor ends up getting so many trailer bills attached to it the original intent of the bill becomes overshadowed and the cost balloons immensely. If they could just stick to the bill without adding anything to it we would then find out what our Senators really think. No one here really cares why he voted the way he did, all that seems to matter is he voted against more military. Can you also publish what all those bills were in their entirety? You might have also voted against something if you read the entire bill and most Senators don't read the entire bill, their staffers do and brief the Senator on the contents. Maybe he is one of the few who actually read a bills contents??? And if all these bills passed whoÂ’s going to pay for it? What did we really need and what was absolutely necessary? I do feel he was out of line in voting to increase OUR funding of the U.N. with more of our money however! F the U.N.
You have a very good point here. On individual bills this is often an issue. Often a politition who has worked a a legislator can be cited as to have voted agianst something ie a tax cut and therefore falsly made to appear to oppose tax cuts, when in fact he or she didn't vote for that cut, because they voted for a larger one instead etc. That's why to be fair and objective you have to look at both what they voted agianst and for and take that legislators entire record into account. Unfortunatly Mr Kerry looks pretty bad when this is done to his record. He has consistantly voted to cut vital defense and intellegence programs and you really can't find any that he has much supported. It's the same with tax cuts and increases, he votes against the cuts and for the increases. From what I've seen, the deeper you look at Senator Kerry's voting record the worse he looks, for both the safety of my family and my wallet....
So when Senator Kerry says check the record, that is one time I'd listen to him. Because, when he says that, he knows 90+ percent of us will not bother and never have....
The big gamble the Dems have made is that they are banking on the fact that voters will vote for him based on his sober and moderate appearance and current tone as a speaker (and of course his official war record). They are giong to great lengths to de-emphasize and obfiscate his congressional record.

HighRoller
08-12-2004, 01:42 PM
I found out an interesting tidbit about Kerry the other night. He was appointed several years ago to head a commission on P.O.W.'s in Vietnam. Two years later when the commission was disbanded, a Company named Collier International was awarded a multi million dollar contract with Vietnam to rebuild, renew and renovate several cities in Vietnam. The man who runs Collier Int'l is John Kerry's cousin. So much for Haliburton......

AzDon
08-12-2004, 02:05 PM
I found out an interesting tidbit about Kerry the other night. He was appointed several years ago to head a commission on P.O.W.'s in Vietnam. Two years later when the commission was disbanded, a Company named Collier International was awarded a multi million dollar contract with Vietnam to rebuild, renew and renovate several cities in Vietnam. The man who runs Collier Int'l is John Kerry's cousin. So much for Haliburton......
Okay, This is interesting.... Was this Collier international the only bidder? Did the U.S. taxpayers pay for this work? If so, how was the spending approved? Telling someone where they might compete for a contract falls a bit short of insider trading.
If it's a contract awarded without competition that has the appearance of personal sheparding (like Haliburton's) then it becomes a REAL issue and not just mudslinging!

HighRoller
08-12-2004, 02:35 PM
AZDon, if you are as knowledgeable about Gov't affairs as you claim, you know that "no-bid" contracts are very common with our Government. Also, please name the multitude of companies that could handle a job of the size and scope that was proposed. Finally, what exactly is Dick Cheney's connection to Haliburton? Last time I checked, he didn't own any stock and didn't collect a paycheck from them. Maybe, like you said, he just told them to ask the government for the job.
You crack me up, Don. Here you have Cheney, whose net worth is probably a hundredth of John Kerry's, and you are acting like the Republicans stole all the money from the whole country. What about Kerry living off of the dividends from a "foreign" company while saying we need more jobs here at home? Whatever meager amount of money Bush and Cheney have earned,(by the Kerry standard)at least they worked for it. Kerry got his by saying "I do."

058
08-12-2004, 02:44 PM
If Soros believes in euthanasia then he should set an example and euthanize himself. This guy is scary.

HighRoller
08-12-2004, 03:33 PM
He, along with John and Theresa Heinz Kerry and the Clintons are part of the One World gov't crowd. They are socialists in Democrat garb who think Fidel Castro is a hero and Cuba is "paradise".

eliminatedsprinter
08-12-2004, 04:25 PM
Cheney left public service with knowledge, and skills, etc ,that were of great value to Haliburton. They wisely hired him and he used those assets to make Haliburton and himself tons of dough etc... Somehow that is a bad thing....Haliburton knew he could do the job they wanted him to and he got very rich as a result of it. Cheney and the Bush administration knew Haliburton was the best qualified co to contract the job they wanted them to do. It seems to me that Haliburton used Cheneys abilities to further their best intrest when he worked for them and it seems to me that Cheney and the Bush Administration are using Haliburtons abilities (which he knows from direct expieriance they have) to further our intrestes in Iraq. Oh yes there is evil afoot :rolleyes: imagine a government official actually hiring a contractor that he knew something about for a job, oh the humanity! :eek: Where will it stop... :2purples: My god man, Hailburton might actually have been the most qualified to do it rather than the lowest minority bid.... :2purples: :eek:

MagicMtnDan
08-12-2004, 05:42 PM
Oh and by the way aren't there benefactors of Bush and the Republican Party? To imply that only one party or candidate has benefactors is hypocritical, IMO
While you're so busy standing up for the Democrats and defending Soros and the others, why don't you tell me who, what single entity, is putting as much money, time and energy into the Republican party as George Soros is putting into the Dems?!
And while you're at it - tell me who is as scary as Soros. Do you even know about him?

Seadog
08-13-2004, 07:16 AM
The proposed John Kerry class aircraft carrier
http://www.rock103.com/crew/pics/kerry-carrier.jpg
The aircraft is for display uses only. Slated aircraft will include the F4F 'Wildcat'
http://www.daveswarbirds.com/usplanes/photos/wildcat.jpg

gnarley
08-13-2004, 08:52 AM
While you're so busy standing up for the Democrats and defending Soros and the others, why don't you tell me who, what single entity, is putting as much money, time and energy into the Republican party as George Soros is putting into the Dems?!
And while you're at it - tell me who is as scary as Soros. Do you even know about him?
I am not just standing up for Democrats and I don't really care who puts their money where, I am pointing out your hypocritical bias. I am sorry you don't have a clear understanding of the English language. I never stood up for Soros or any others besides Kerry in that post. I would also stand up for a Republican if you posted something as absurd as a voting record if you didnÂ’t have all the facts. I pointed out that "To imply that only one party or candidate has benefactors is hypocritical", since you pointed out that Soros would be a benefactor of Kerry or Democrats. Aren't there benefactors of Bush and the Republican Party? I will also say IMO that assuming only one party has benefactors is ignorant. I donÂ’t need to point them out to you to make my case.
The definition is below.
ben•e•fac•tor One that gives aid, especially financial aid.
Meaning in this case there are people who benefit from others, IE Bush and the Republican Party aid and support contributors and those that are very close to them, right?

058
08-13-2004, 08:55 AM
Damn....that should strike fear into the hearts of our foe....lmao But according to the Demos and Kerry only GWB caused us to have foes.

MagicMtnDan
08-13-2004, 09:02 AM
Can you name this country?
* 709,000 regular (active duty) personnel.
* 293,000 reserve troops.
* eight standing army divisions.
* 20 air force and navy air wings with 2,000 combat aircraft
* 232 strategic bombers.
* 19 strategic ballistic missile submarines with 3,114 nuclear warheads on 232 missiles.
* 500 icbms with 1,950 warheads.
* four aircraft carriers and 121 surface combat ships and submarines
* plus all the support bases, shipyards, and logistical assets needed to sustain such a naval force.
Is this country-
Russia ? No
China? No
Great Britain ? No
France ? Wrong again (what a laugh!)
Is it the USA ? (sort of)
These are the American military forces that were eliminated during the administration of Bill Clinton and Al Gore.

gnarley
08-13-2004, 09:08 AM
Damn....that should strike fear into the hearts of our foe....lmao But according to the Demos and Kerry only GWB caused us to have foes.
Hey Bob, how goes it :rollside: your post made me laugh. I thought about the foes part.
fee fi fo fom, look out, cause GWB has a big damn gun :D
That should realy put the fear in Demos.

Jordy
08-13-2004, 09:10 AM
Dammit MMD, you're going to confuse them with facts again... :rollside:

058
08-13-2004, 09:29 AM
Hey Bob, how goes it :rollside: your post made me laugh. I thought about the foes part.
fee fi fo fom, look out, cause GWB has a big damn gun :D
That should realy put the fear in Demos.Doin' fine, Charley...how are you doing? Glad ya got a laugh from my post, thats the important thing. :D

gnarley
08-13-2004, 09:41 AM
Doin OK Bob, Thinkin 'bout moving towards Sacramento. Done much boatin this year? We've been out about 10 times and will proably go another 3 to 5 more. The weekend the State fair starts there is a Lobster/Steak feed in the Delta we are going to, that should be a blast.

totenhosen
08-13-2004, 10:07 AM
Can you name this country?
* 709,000 regular (active duty) personnel.
* 293,000 reserve troops.
* eight standing army divisions.
* 20 air force and navy air wings with 2,000 combat aircraft
* 232 strategic bombers.
* 19 strategic ballistic missile submarines with 3,114 nuclear warheads on 232 missiles.
* 500 icbms with 1,950 warheads.
* four aircraft carriers and 121 surface combat ships and submarines
* plus all the support bases, shipyards, and logistical assets needed to sustain such a naval force.
Is this country-
Russia ? No
China? No
Great Britain ? No
France ? Wrong again (what a laugh!)
Is it the USA ? (sort of)
These are the American military forces that were eliminated during the administration of Bill Clinton and Al Gore.
Even with all the decreases we are still kicking ass. So I don't neccessarily see it as a entirely bad thing.

gnarley
08-13-2004, 10:26 AM
Can you name this country?
* 709,000 regular (active duty) personnel.
* 293,000 reserve troops.
Are these numbers before or after counting our dead soldiers?
I wonder how many Senators are willing to enlist there sons or daughters in the military and go over to Iraq and take their chances up front?

78Eliminator
08-13-2004, 10:28 AM
What's sick is that I have a feeling he is going to win.

Froggystyle
08-13-2004, 10:33 AM
I wonder how many Senators are willing to enlist there sons or daughters in the military and go over to Iraq and take their chances up front?
Ya know, I agree with a lot of stuff you post believe it or not, but this is horseshit.
My parents were so pissed when I joined the military. Nobodys parents would enlist them. Several legislators do have children over there BTW.
I don't want my law makers deciding whether or not to go to war because they are worried about the well being of their children. They have a country to worry about the well being of. We have a volunteer military. The best in the world.
Find me a soldier who doesn't think we should be over there right now...
I should say TRY to find me one. I know several that hated that place, and went straight back to it after getting home because of the job we are doing there.
What a terrible argument...

Jordy
08-13-2004, 10:36 AM
What's sick is that I have a feeling he is going to win.
The more time rolls on the more is being found out about his bullshit, lies and double-talk. There is still time for people to see the light. :idea:

78Eliminator
08-13-2004, 10:49 AM
The more time rolls on the more is being found out about his bullshit, lies and double-talk. There is still time for people to see the light. :idea:
Nope. The liberal media, the trendy anti Bush sentiment you hear every day and the sheep we call citizens will vote for the president which more closely resembles a communist. This always happens after a republican is in office. Happened to his dad and will happen to him too. I though there was NO F-ING WAY Clinton was going to win over Bush being reelected. I would have bet the farm on that one. But that was back when I had more faith in our society and the intelligence of our country. Now I am just a cynical, bitter, evil white man who is going to watch another democrat f*uck over all the plans the republican president put into motion. And if some of those plans have any kind of positive effect during his time in office, our country will forget who set them into motion and give all credit to the democratic ass clown in office at the time. I will never support a democratic president. I was raised to work hard for your money, be ethical, honest and you will be rewarded if not monetarily, at least you will have the piece of mind that you tried. I donÂ’t want more power to the government, and be treated like a baby and expect hand outs. I want to fight for my own food, thank you very much. I want to contribute. When I think "democrat" I think about a lazy white trash piece of shit who sits and watches TV all day and complains about their quality of life. The thing is, there are a lot of those out there, and they might just have the energy to get off their fat asses, switch off Oprah, and vote for the next shit head that will run the country into the ground.....

JustMVG
08-13-2004, 10:53 AM
Even with all the decreases we are still kicking ass. So I don't neccessarily see it as a entirely bad thing.
Yes while we are still kicking ass, let me remind you that all of the cuts that were made during those year are just the military #s now how many shipyard workers lost their jobs due to those cuts , how many civilian jobs were lost due to those cuts? Think of that, there were some jobs created as the weaponry got smarter and the tech sector saw some rise in jobs and production because of that but the unemployment rate went up, somewhere i thnk people forget that what is happening to us now was created by another administration, bills signed that do not take effect until long after that Admin. is out of office, and sometimes the blame is put on the current admin.

gnarley
08-13-2004, 10:56 AM
Wes, I hear your argument and that is OK. Yes our politicians do have a country to run and they should be concerned about it's citizens dying in a war IMO. But when high ranking politicians are removed from the pain and tragedy of war peopleÂ’s sons and daughters just become numbers in the costs and they wouldn't want to pay those costs themselves I don't think.
A terrible argument? Maybe, this is the internet and ones own point of view may not come across with all that is needed to make a good point. I don't want to be an armchair quarterback and say what I think we should do, but I feel we could do better without loosing as much life of ours there as we already have.

Seadog
08-13-2004, 11:07 AM
I think one of the biggest crimes of the Clinton presidnecy is the cutbacks on intelligence, particularly the elimination of human intel and the pushing of tech intel. Only the yes men were left in the purges of the Clintons and they failed us. Even with the best leadership, it will be a lot of years before they weed out the dead wood.

Jordy
08-13-2004, 11:11 AM
When I think "democrat" I think about a lazy white trash piece of shit who sits and watches TV all day and complains about their quality of life.
That would make a great signature. :D
You know, I see some logic in that argument. Then the marry a republican and still play the role of the common man, right Mr. Kerry? :D :D :D

Froggystyle
08-13-2004, 01:59 PM
I think the most serious mistake of the liberation of Iraq was the disassembly of the Iraqi military.
Hitler knew better than that. Way better than that. When you dismantle an indiginous military, you create a large group of unemployed, combat trained, likely armed, demoralized people. Most, if not all, are able-bodied men.
You decapitate a military, then bring in your own advisors and management. This keeps control over the military, and all of it's weapons.
That was a huge mistake, and one I am not sure Cheney should keep his job for.
Be that as it may, while I may poke holes in the method, the fact is the world is a significantly better and safer place with Saddam, his sons and his regime gone.
I fear also that we have not heard the last of Saddam...

gnarley
08-13-2004, 02:27 PM
the world is a significantly better and safer place with Saddam, his sons and his regime gone.
Yes, I Concur :hammerhea

Jordy
08-13-2004, 02:29 PM
You know, 78's whole democrat comment got me thinking about the events of the last week here in Arizona. Earlier this week Kerry rolled through the state on a train. Kept up north stopping in Flagstaff and then later on to Kingman. No offense to anyone who lives there (personally, I know some people, but they don't fit into this generalization) but the people that were shown waiting for his arrival and being interviewed looked as if they were fresh out of the trailer, married to their sister/cousin (something out of the deep south), bad teeth and once they started talking, they were 100% 'billy. Many of them were dun convinced that Kerry was the guy because he'd come through their little town while that no good Bush stuck to the big city of Phoenix for his there campaigning.
Pretty scary really.
*before I get flamed, the above are generalizations based on what I saw on tv. I'm not saying that all democrats are inbred trailer dwellers with bad teeth. Just the ones they had on tv from Flag and Kingman. :cool:

Froggystyle
08-13-2004, 02:36 PM
Not that it really matters, but I just took a damn reputation hit on this thread... No name of course
That is so chicken shit. Nothing better than an internet tough guy.
Ah well, maybe a monsoon will hit him... :burningm:

Jordy
08-13-2004, 04:08 PM
Not that it really matters, but I just took a damn reputation hit on this thread... No name of course
That is so chicken shit. Nothing better than an internet tough guy.
Ah well, maybe a monsoon will hit him... :burningm:
Yeah, I just saw that someone tried to snipe me too... "What do you really know?" with no name signed. Jackoff. The funny thing is, your opinion is so worthless it showed up grey and didn't take any points away... :cry: :D

HM
08-13-2004, 04:10 PM
Yeah, I just saw that someone tried to snipe me too... "What do you really know?" with no name signed. Jackoff. The funny thing is, your opinion is so worthless it showed up grey and didn't take any points away... :cry: :D
I got a snipe attempt like that as well. It said "You are not funny", but was in grey and I didn't know what that meant, 'till now. :messedup:

MagicMtnDan
08-13-2004, 04:43 PM
Wes, I hear your argument and that is OK. Yes our politicians do have a country to run and they should be concerned about it's citizens dying in a war IMO. But when high ranking politicians are removed from the pain and tragedy of war peopleÂ’s sons and daughters just become numbers in the costs and they wouldn't want to pay those costs themselves I don't think.
A terrible argument? Maybe, this is the internet and ones own point of view may not come across with all that is needed to make a good point. I don't want to be an armchair quarterback and say what I think we should do, but I feel we could do better without loosing as much life of ours there as we already have.
What a pathetic point of view you have of this country!
You clearly went to Fearandhate 9/11 and got your ideas from that POS movie.
Does a politician have to have his/her child in the military to have an opinion or do his/her job? If so then you clearly aren't qualified to have an opinion on the Iraqi war until you've been there.
Furthermore, did you lose anyone in your family or anyone you know on 9/11? A co-worker of mine was on the first plane that hit the Trade Center towers. Why don't you ever talk about the pain and tragedy that their family and their kids felt when their Dad perished in an exploding ball of fire?! When do you think it's important enough to stand up for this country and stop those who want to see more Americans killed?!
Maybe you'll feel differently when it's YOUR Dad or brother or son in the next plane. :mad:

angry dad
08-13-2004, 07:25 PM
well said m m dan!!! :smile: !!!!

JustMVG
08-13-2004, 07:33 PM
Well done MMD, my wife lost an uncle in the north Tower and we lost a family friend on one of the planes, the Pentagon flight.
So we know first hand the pain and fear that goes along with all of this, and we have friends and family in the services right now that either here or in country, we just hope and pray that we get to see them come home in one piece and every e mail we get makes that hope and prayer all the more worth it.

Jordy
08-13-2004, 09:07 PM
Furthermore, did you lose anyone in your family or anyone you know on 9/11?
I didn't know anyone on any of the flights or in either of the Twin Towers nor the Pentagon, at least anyone that I'd been in contact with, however, I was glued to the TV that morning and watched the second plane hit live. I had the full range of emotions, from shock to anger to sadness to amazement and on and on and on. And to this day, almost 3 years later, everytime I see some clip of any of the planes crashing, see the video of people making the choice of staying in the building and burning or risking that jump from 100+ floors up and taking that chance, or even hear that Alan Jackson song "Where were you when the world stopped turning" I get goosebumps and the hair stands up on the back of my neck. So I'm a little bit redneck, but that song hit it right on the head.
I voluntarily would have signed up for service and been over there in a heartbeat. I think any real patriot would feel the same way. However, due to bad arthritis (like 6,000mg of Ibuprofin a day to function) I would never pass a physical, been that way pretty much since I was 19. So I support the troops from the comfort of my home and thank God everyday that I have that privilege knowing damn well that if it wasn't for these troops I wouldn't be able to.
Along the same lines with what was mentioned before by Froggy with people coming home and hating it over there but going back immediately, one of my brother's best buds is a Marine. He went to culinary school with the desire to be a chef at the White House, joined up with a somewhat cushy assignment (like an officer's training deal) with that in mind, then changed his enlistment to infantry. He did one tour in Iraq, hated it, was home Christmas with about 8 rolls of film (absolutly amazing pics of Saddam's palaces and the like) and was back over there shortly after New Years, and still is to this day, again, and he's damn proud to do it.
The people that question the purpose of the war and blame Bush for 9/11 absolutly f ucking baffle me, almost to the point of truly making my blood boil. Pull your head out of your asses people and see the big picture. 9/11 happened after 8 years of Clinton, not 8 months of Bush. Put Kerry in office, let him turn us from the most powerful nation in the world into the biggest pussy nation in the world and reap the whirlwind. Yeah, the UN will have our back... :yuk:
OK, rant's over. :cool:

Jordy
08-13-2004, 10:25 PM
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058
08-13-2004, 10:26 PM
Nope. The liberal media, the trendy anti Bush sentiment you hear every day and the sheep we call citizens will vote for the president which more closely resembles a communist. This always happens after a republican is in office. Happened to his dad and will happen to him too. I though there was NO F-ING WAY Clinton was going to win over Bush being reelected. I would have bet the farm on that one. But that was back when I had more faith in our society and the intelligence of our country. Now I am just a cynical, bitter, evil white man who is going to watch another democrat f*uck over all the plans the republican president put into motion. And if some of those plans have any kind of positive effect during his time in office, our country will forget who set them into motion and give all credit to the democratic ass clown in office at the time. I will never support a democratic president. I was raised to work hard for your money, be ethical, honest and you will be rewarded if not monetarily, at least you will have the piece of mind that you tried. I donÂ’t want more power to the government, and be treated like a baby and expect hand outs. I want to fight for my own food, thank you very much. I want to contribute. When I think "democrat" I think about a lazy white trash piece of shit who sits and watches TV all day and complains about their quality of life. The thing is, there are a lot of those out there, and they might just have the energy to get off their fat asses, switch off Oprah, and vote for the next shit head that will run the country into the ground.....Yep....pretty much sums it up. Couldn't have said it better........ ;)

058
08-13-2004, 10:47 PM
I didn't know anyone on any of the flights or in either of the Twin Towers nor the Pentagon, at least anyone that I'd been in contact with, however, I was glued to the TV that morning and watched the second plane hit live. I had the full range of emotions, from shock to anger to sadness to amazement and on and on and on. And to this day, almost 3 years later, everytime I see some clip of any of the planes crashing, see the video of people making the choice of staying in the building and burning or risking that jump from 100+ floors up and taking that chance, or even hear that Alan Jackson song "Where were you when the world stopped turning" I get goosebumps and the hair stands up on the back of my neck. So I'm a little bit redneck, but that song hit it right on the head.
I voluntarily would have signed up for service and been over there in a heartbeat. I think any real patriot would feel the same way. However, due to bad arthritis (like 6,000mg of Ibuprofin a day to function) I would never pass a physical, been that way pretty much since I was 19. So I support the troops from the comfort of my home and thank God everyday that I have that privilege knowing damn well that if it wasn't for these troops I wouldn't be able to.
Along the same lines with what was mentioned before by Froggy with people coming home and hating it over there but going back immediately, one of my brother's best buds is a Marine. He went to culinary school with the desire to be a chef at the White House, joined up with a somewhat cushy assignment (like an officer's training deal) with that in mind, then changed his enlistment to infantry. He did one tour in Iraq, hated it, was home Christmas with about 8 rolls of film (absolutly amazing pics of Saddam's palaces and the like) and was back over there shortly after New Years, and still is to this day, again, and he's damn proud to do it.
The people that question the purpose of the war and blame Bush for 9/11 absolutly f ucking baffle me, almost to the point of truly making my blood boil. Pull your head out of your asses people and see the big picture. 9/11 happened after 8 years of Clinton, not 8 months of Bush. Put Kerry in office, let him turn us from the most powerful nation in the world into the biggest pussy nation in the world and reap the whirlwind. Yeah, the UN will have our back... :yuk:
OK, rant's over. :cool:Jordy, I think most of us felt the same way that ugly morning. As I watched the horror unfold I wondered what do we do now? Where do we go from here? I felt helpless watching those people jump out of the buildings knowing full well that was the best way out rather than suffer a slow agonizing death burning in the flames. I felt a rage I have never felt before and hope to never feel again. The thought of Kerry as Commander-in-Chief makes my blood run cold. He is a coward, a liar and a hypocrite and the thought that even a dozen people believe in him makes me seriously doubt in the security of this nation...and that is a scary thought.

572Daytona
08-13-2004, 10:55 PM
I wouldn't sign either of my daughters up for the war but then again I also wouldn't sign them up to be a cop in a major city, a rockstar, a hollywood movie star or producer, a same sex partner, an IRS auditor or a democrat. So I guess by Mr. Moore's twisted logic those must all be bad things as well.

Froggystyle
08-16-2004, 08:53 AM
I wouldn't sign either of my daughters up for the war but then again I also wouldn't sign them up to be a cop in a major city, a rockstar, a hollywood movie star or producer, a same sex partner, an IRS auditor or a democrat. So I guess by Mr. Moore's twisted logic those must all be bad things as well.
Exactamundo....