All bench racing fags post your pics!

[superdave013]

Well, I guess I will be the frist. jroos think's I'm a bench racing fag so here goes. Oh, I won this race. If everything works out I'll have some new ones after Thanksgiving!
jroos, it's your turn to post yours!
http://wsphotofews.excite.com/028/As/Ed/gM/7U50133.jpg

[jroos]

Can email you bro. No website, no digi camera.
Damn dude cool boat. Looks real fast.
And you were comparing your motor to a stock one? the bench racer doesn`t apply to you. Idiot does.
but none the less, nice boat, and gee I guess since you race your boat its better than mine and thus automatically are much more knowledgeable in motors than myself.
And the last thread did not mention your name potna, why are you people so damn defensive in here? Perhaps one is questioning their manhood? Lets see, have you answerred my question?
NO. Why, doin` too much bench racing that you don`t really know that much about a motor?
WOW, your motor does look just like the April `71 issue of Monster Truck! Bet you built yours the same way right down to the zoomie with a dent in it. Hey,,,,,,am I on to something here?
Lets see, how much horse power did that motor make then? 14,782.68 HP at only 5600 RPM! Remember this was built in `71 and we didn`t use the PCV.
By today`s gas quality you run about 800 right? How`d I know that. Guess everyone in here runs the same setup from `71 Monster truck. I built the similar motor but its nothing to brag about(only getting 437 HP) but I ran a PCV! In a street car. Most of my motors life was spent in the 1200 to 1700 RPM range. Oh shit that is Real World specs. Damn where is that `71 issue of Monster Truck? Can you fax me a copy? I`m gonna get buildin`. I gotta lot of catchin` up to do. Thanks, jroos

[Barely Legal]

What crawled up your ass Jroos? I think attacks on other members in here are generally frowned upon. Super Dave looks as if he has been there and done that, you might learn something.

[Ghighway]

jroos your comments are getting more bizzar by the post! Are you having a Midol moment? Relax you have given your opnion so if someone doesn't agree with you don't have a hissie fit! Now about that Monza with a 350 doin 10's with ac, ps, bp, tools in the back too? Who's the bench racing fag, sure seems Daves not!

[Wet Dream]

Barely Legal,
You are a fool if you think that everyone on this board has to get along and agree on every issue at hand. http://www.goldenplasma.f2s.com/forum/smilies/mad67.gif There are differences in attitudes, opinions, boats, engines, setups and options. What works for one person or setup, doesn't mean that it will work for another, which is why we have forums like this. Basically, a question is in need of an opinion and everyone has the chance to express themselves whichever way they see fit.
Take a look at both sides...Superdave posts a topic using "bench racing fags"...does that make someone a fag if they do bench race? http://www.goldenplasma.f2s.com/forum/smilies/rolleyes04.gif Probably not. Although not the wisest choice of words for a topic, its his choice. Now go to jroos. Maybe he felt offended at the title, or the picture or just thinks Super is full of shit, in any case, he has every right to respond using any compilation of words he wants to, and I'm sure Super will do the same before the weekend is up.
Now for my opinion, I personally don't give a **** what you think is frowned upon in this forum. http://www.goldenplasma.f2s.com/forum/smilies/mad40.gif Attacks on members aren't as frequent as a Thank You, but they happen. If you can't handle it, quit reading these and go back to reading Golden Books.
And NO!!! I am not siding with anyone on this arguement, but just stating a fact that everyone has a right to voice an opinion.
[This message has been edited by Wet Dream (edited October 26, 2001).]

[Barely Legal]

Wet Dream, that wasn't very nice. I agree with your post about everyone having an opinion. Did you just learn how to post the emoticons? Come on Now, be more creative.

[jroos]

Ok, was giving a reply to a question. Didn`t meen to get marauded! No tool in trunck. 350,.060,Deck milled .025, composite head gasket from Chevy compressed thickness of .028, Lunati believe 486 on both lobes, 110sepereation, duration 298,degreed, roller chain,hardened rods and oil shaft, high volume low pressure, balanced blueprinted,forged flatties,roller rockers,crank micro polished for a little more zing, Nascar/Offshore balancer,pulley kit,windage,scraper,hole drilled in oli plug for chain, splash shield for intake, anti pump, chamferred holes in crank, roller rockers, rpm performer, port matched and extrude honed,1" spacer, thermo gutted, anti cav plate in H2O pump, shot peened rods, arp, studs for heads, Dart 2 Sportsmans with 200cc intake runners, no polish, very minor port job, 72cc heart shaped chambers, Manley 1 piece PRO FLOW, 202, no heat riser, 4150 750, 50 cc acc., can`t remember final jet size, headmann, Griffin big tube rad, dual push fans couldn`t fit pull, solid mounts, choke horn gone and massaged, Never new final cfm, 4500 with trans brake, 350, machined for extra clutch, 7 angle job, reverse valve body from Cheetah, AC condenser mounted under trunck for trani cooler with Renault Alliance electric pull fan, mini starter, compression 10:25 to 1. 36 degrees total, 456 auburn posi,Hei, Mr. Gasket curve kit(just the springs were used), Accael coil, all other guts were stock OEM for `74 Vette, including vaccuum advance. PCV, AC, PS, PB. If I was lucky I got 4 miles to the gallon. All oil splash areas were coated for quick oil return. Pistons were heat coated. Mallory carbon wires. Don`t think I left anything out. But ya`ll will let me know I`m sure. `80 Monza coupe.
Did not attack anyone. My reply was scrutinized and I have yet to here the reason for PCV reemoval from anyone. All I hear is don`t use it. I gave my reasoning. Not having a fissy or tissy or whatever.
Now, I never called Dave a bench racing fag! This was started at the end of another reply on different topic. With his new one he convieniently stated that. Sounds to me like alot of people here have too damn much to prove.
People, it is possible that GOD doesn`t reply on this forum. EM&D tried to give hisadvise and ask a ? and got hammerred. By the look of some of these motors on here I don`t think that many here can comment on stock motors or cams. They probably have no idea what a stock cam even sounds like. I love the blower motors I see here and can appreciate anyone`s hard work that goes into any rig. Its not a money thing and its not who has the bigger motor or the fastest time slip. But get this, if you are running an 867 mountain motor, don`t think for one ****in` second that it meens you are smarter or more in tune than anyone else here. And just because you choose to race your rig and I choose to cruise at lower RPM`s tryin` to play the game and get laid doesn`t meen either is right or wrong. And if I chose my BBF over an OB that doen`t meen shit either. `cause remember boys if you think mine or your squirt boat can beet a prop,,,then you need to get out of the house more.

[jroos]

Oh, BarelyLegal. Learn something? HA! Dobt it. Very seriously in this forum with so many knowing so much about negativity. You see Hoss I design and build Consoles and Engine room alarm systems. I know that positive is just as important as negative.
Hoss, get out your pen and paper and take notes, I think I`ll be around for awhile.
[This message has been edited by jroos (edited October 26, 2001).]

[RiverToysJas]

Originally posted by jroos:
April `71 issue of Monster Truck!....Remember this was built in `71 and we didn`t use the PCV.....`71 Monster truck. ....Damn where is that `71 issue of Monster Truck?
FYI jroos - Big Foot 1 was the Original Monster Truck first built/owned by Bob Chandler in 1974. No Moster Truck magazine issues in '71! J/K -
http://www.goldenplasma.f2s.com/forum/smilies/tongue05.gif
RTJas
[This message has been edited by RiverToysJas (edited October 26, 2001).]

[Wet Dream]

The way I see it is that we all have different floats and setups. Some of us like to go out with our stock motors, like me, and have fun, make a lot of noise and get attention. Hell, when my wife and my girlfriend are out in the float and guys try to chase them down all the time. They really like the attention. http://free.***boat.net/ubb/smile.gif No, jets aren't the fastest, but they out-do most other boats in a lot of performance areas. Top speed compared to HP props or fuel mileage to a day cruiser aren't one of them but running a float like these isn't the normal type of boat you see out there and is rewarding. Is mine the fastest? Not by a long shot. How fast? I couldn't tell you, I have never been up against another jetter nor has it been GPS'd. That will come in time. Will I gain anything if I beat another??? No, just bragging rights, a few laughs, and good for a few stories while all of us are sitting around having a couple of beers. When I get beat, no prob, just something to talk about, laugh and bullshit over a couple of beers. Get the point? This is all supposed to be fun, and unless you are a racer, that is all it should be. If you are a racer, there isn't any comparison.

[ChetCapoli]

Now where do the donuts fit into all of this anyways????
just curious http://free.***boat.net/ubb/smile.gif

[HAVNAFIT]

screw jroos

[Havasu Hangin']

Originally posted by HAVNAFIT:
screw jroos
Aunt Jeani strikes again. http://www.goldenplasma.f2s.com/forum/smilies/happy30.gif
http://www.goldenplasma.f2s.com/forum/smilies/happy25.gif

[superdave013]

If you guys go and look at the last few replys to the valve cover thread you will see why I titled this thread the way I did. Also if you look at the replys from jroos in other threads you will see some hostility in them too. Sorry, but he refered to the last few people that posted on that thead as bench racing fags that don't build their own stuff. Oh, we were idiots there too. Also he said the we don't help people with info. I know I don't know all and hope that I can learn things from everyone. Even jroos! But I have helped people on this site and AZ Don's site with lots of info and where to locate used parts for thier rigs. Yea, I'm a bench racer. Fag, I don't think so.

[superdave013]

Oh, jroos, I was in no way comparing my engine (it's not a motor) to a stock one. Heck, I even posted a pic of a stock crate engine that anyone can go to Eddie Marine and buy.

[schiada96]

jroos you might learn something from Barely legal He has to be over 150 in that new flat,
and he has been there and done that. So I feel he knows his shit Superdave knows his shit I haven't met him yet but from what he writes he's ok and Wet dream dosen't know why this thread is here.

[superdave013]

Here is what set me off. It's a reply to schiads 96 and I am copy/pasting it hear before jroos edits it anymore to save face.
here ya go!
"Schiada,YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYEAH. Built tanks, cavitation plate. Damn dude you are a God as far as I`m concerned. I`m impressed. Lets see,,,tig (in your case probably mig, not that its bad) some flat aluminum and WO, maybe just maybe some stainless.Please don`t tell me you can operate a Brake Press. Put together the parts from UPS. A turbo too! Now I see why you don`t run with a PCV! GEESH! Man ya shoulda told me sooner. I`m from down on the bayou! I am so damn impressed with your "bare bones project". I don`t think anyone else here has ever even contemplated an attempt at such a great feat! Your parents MUST be proud of you.
Did superdave answer it right the first time?
I`m not convinced so. As to wether or not he actually needed something,well of course. Now, are 2 breathers neccessarily better than a PCV? In my opinion ( and yeah future responder to the opinion is like an asshole, everyone`s got one, suck shit through a straw), no that is not the best answer. We know he has a stock or near stock motor. How, if not he would not ask about the knock outs to begin with. I believe we can agree upon that.
Now, for the proof. Tell me why you are not a bench racing fag. Why would you not use a PCV. Tell me your pro`s and cons. Hey ANYBODY!
Maybe start a new thread. This is a term commonly used down here when someone subscribes to all the mags, reads them cover to cover and KNOWS DAMN NEAR EVERYTHING, but put a tool in his hand and he comes up blank. You`ll also find these people telling everyone what they should do yet never touch a wrench to help and NEVER EVER have a project of their own (Hemmorrhoids tell level of racing being done).
Gotta love those bench racers.
[This message has been edited by jroos (edited October 26, 2001).]"

[fryzll]

WOW, what just happened here? Me and jroos have had our differences and but oh well, I dont any lose sleep over it just as he doesnt loose any either. I do think he goes a little overboard on the verbal expletives (big word huh) but thats just how some people react and I have learned not to get offended by it. I have given bad info and have been corrected and I have learned from it (I think). Yes I do use a PCV valve and the reason is this, I had a nice billet one and put it on, simple as that. Maybe its the wrong reason but hey, I havnt had any problems due to crankcase pressure so I guess its not too bad. I could put another breather in its place, but, like the old saying goes, if its not broke dont fix it. I might be a bench racing, Erson cam using (jroos knows), Comp Cam roller tip rocker liking, Mallory dual point using, Jacuzzi pump having kind of guy and thats fine w/ me because it all works for me and im having fun doing it, PERIOD. I think the more heated these discusions get, the better reading they become. I have to give it to jroos though, he defends himself at full throttle and doesnt let up which is pretty cool. Even though he seems to get all fired up and goes a little over the top I think he makes for some damn funny reading, and even if sometimes I dont agree w/ him he still makes me laugh http://free.***boat.net/ubb/biggrin.gif Its kind of funny how a simple valve cover question ended up here but hey, im having a good time reading it so what the hell boys, this is what its all about, LEARNING.
Chris
P.S. jroos, whats up w/ that mighty 300ZX? Gone yet? http://free.***boat.net/ubb/biggrin.gif

[jeff-in-ky]

Hey Wet Dream - You must be one lucky dude if you get to take your wife and girlfriend on your boat at the same time."Hell, when my wife and my girlfriend are out in the float and guys try to chase them down all the time".

[Racing Ray]

I started checking my old Hot Boat issues because I thought I remembered jroos submitting a picture of his ride to be featured. I managed to find it along with the story he told of his build up.
http://www.highperformanceboating.com/jroosride.jpg
" Here is a picture of my Hot Boat. I know it is not much to look at but I did build it all myself. It is powered by a 1937 Maytag Twin long frame. It isn't the fastest thing in the swamps but it is only for picking up chicks anyways! I am a hands on kind of guy and did all the rigging myself. I know this will make all your readers green with envy but hey this ain't no store bought high dollar race machine! I only cruise it around 1700-2500 rpm anyways.

[Wet Dream]

The wife and girlfriend is a long story. I'll tell you about it if you go to the east coast thing-a-mcbob next spring.

[Havasu Hangin']

Another "Ray classic"... http://www.goldenplasma.f2s.com/forum/smilies/happy30.gif
http://www.goldenplasma.f2s.com/forum/smilies/happy25.gif

[custom-cruiser]

Hey, I dont run a PCV...Can I be a bench racing fag too?
http://wsphotofews.excite.com/006/Jm/tq/XX/Oi12147.jpg
http://www.jetboatperformance.com/images/img1.gif
[This message has been edited by custom-cruiser (edited October 27, 2001).]

[Ghighway]

Thanks should be going out to Jroos! He has just created a new racing bracket the (BRF) division! All induction systems are allowed, Blown, naturaly aspirated,turbo charged, injected you name it. You can run alcohol,gas,nitros,nitro, what ever you like.
welcome are flats, tunnels, v-hull, open,& capsules and no cubic inch lmit! Only tech inspection will be checking to make sure no one has a pcv stuck in the valve cover. 1st prize is posters for your garage. 2nd place gets a full on peg board tool hanger for his work bench, 3rd place is a new brf work bench stool........thanks again Jroos! http://free.***boat.net/ubb/biggrin.gif

[Unchained]

I thought the thread was bench racing FAQs
(frequently asked questions). So this one would be how can you go 70mph with no hull on something that won't float with no marine propulsion system.
http://www.childsdale-ind-prop.com/mxzwater.jpg http://free.***boat.net/ubb/tongue.gif

[superdave013]

Originally posted by custom-cruiser:
Hey, I dont run a PCV...Can I be a bench racing fag too?
[This message has been edited by custom-cruiser (edited October 27, 2001).]
Sure you can1 welcome to the club! Nice looking engine you've got there and you bench looks faster than my bench for sure!

[riodog]

Personally, anyone that runs a bullshit, make- believe bugcatcher scoop on a set of carbs, to make it "look F.I.", has to be "bullshitting" about everything else as well?
I said it!
the dog

[superdave013]

Originally posted by riodog:
Personally, anyone that runs a bullshit, make- believe bugcatcher scoop on a set of carbs, to make it "look F.I.", has to be "bullshitting" about everything else as well?
I said it!
the dog
But that's what's so great about bench racing! We can bull $hit if we want to!
But you gotta admit, He's got a damm fine looking bench too! I'll try to post a pic of my bench in a day or two. It's not that great.
So riodog, Lets here your bench racing tail! Or better yet, show us your bench!

[Wicky]

Alright custom cruiser what is that mammoth motor going in?
I would love to spank that motor!! I think I can I think I can I think I can.
Hey superdave, I like your style my friend.
Maybe we could talk Jroos into going to the big block spanking party #4 over 4/20/02 weekend!! That will seperate the men from the boys!!
Eatmoresushi,
Wicky

[LVjetboy]

Hey, can I be a member of the BRF club? I'll even put a PCV valve on my engine to qualify...if I have to http://free.***boat.net/ubb/frown.gif
http://www.cedarcountyia.com/imghost/BenchRacing.gif
I think my bench would probably go faster if it didn't have all those wrenches and shit all over it. Need to clean off!
jer
[This message has been edited by LVjetboy (edited October 28, 2001).]

[LVjetboy]

SuperDave, don't forget this post:
"Morons. Look at what you are all arguing about. Damn, ya`ll know way too ****in` much for my ignorant ass. Let me advise people to come to this site for tech questions to get HAMMERRED by a bunch of BENCH RACING FAGS!"
Note: Bench Racing Fags will now be refered to as BRF's. Guess I'll sign up for the "BRF" club.
...Or this one,
"Now, I never called Dave a bench racing fag!"
Ya, whatever...just check your posts jroos. Right after SuperDave's. Who was it exactly you where refering to as a BRF?
Or this one,
"Tell me now dumbass dorks, would a PCV hurt performance in a basically stock or mildly done motor?"
I'll gladly tell you what I think if you care from a technical view. But, I'm sorry, I thought we were BRF's, now we're DAD's?? This is getting confusing http://free.***boat.net/ubb/frown.gif
Or maybe this one,
"And the last thread did not mention your name potna, why are you people so damn defensive in here?"
Your post of your engine specs seem to be a defensive stab at saying hey, I know what I'm talking about?
Or this...
"Hide behind your monitors. Saw alot of great looking boats here in this discussion. Now I know that they were built with money, not KNOWLEDGE."
Unfortunatley, we couldn't have your knowledge jroos.
So my advice jroos, if you have knowledge of engines, which I suspect you do, then try to control your emotions when sharing with the rest of us. A BRF may just know something you don't, or your dues-paying non-reading "learn from hard knocks" experience may come in handy. Just because a racer raced doesn't mean he knows everything about engines or pumps. And just because an engine builder knows how to torque the heads or a pump builder knows how to clearance impellers, doesn't mean he knows how to time the lights or react under pressure. And a BRF, well if he's wrong, then set him staight...without resorting to name calling. We all have things to share.
My advice....lighten up jroos.
(However, I'm just a BRF)
jer

[Timmy]

LVjetboy, good looking wheelie!! What make hull is that and what kind of numbers that thing run? I liked your comment. Some get to hyper and serious on these sites. There is no right or wrong, just opinions.

[jroos]

Man, ya`ll really really like me! Never met so many weirdos. Want to join a bench racing fag club?
Dave, and Dave only BRFs. Why don`t you just answer the question idiot? Pro`s and cons of a PCV on stock to blown motors like the rest of the BFRs here post pics from `93 Tractor Pull mag. Another April issue. Dave, you have stalled on this question long enough. Surely by now you have read up on this and should be able to blow me away.
Notice the word away LVjetboy you BRF.
When did I ever talk to you!
Way to go dipshit. Open your mouth and point fingers just as all the other BRF in here do. Dave will not answer the question in fear that his ass will get it wrong and get hammerred like he does every one else. What a BRF. I don`t care what u race. You will not ever get my respect because of the stalling you did on a question to help another jet boater and for not only not answerring it but also when someone did even though an OB guy you hammerrred him. I never did refer to you as a BFR to begin with Dave. Look at the valve cover posts! You wanted to start some more candy ass baby shit! I am now calling you a BRF. You dodn`t know jack shit in my opinion. Wicky, I wish I could go to the BBSP but don`t live even close to ya`ll. Would love to go there and see some real boats with some real Tractor motors with sled pulling torque. `93 April "Real Tractor" issue has Dave`s same pic in it page 116.
And for you custom cruiser, why not follow this thing from the beginning before typing something so ****in` stupid? For your post and lack of knowledge on this discussion you get the Blown Eliminator title of BRF.
Hey BRFs, Why not make your own sight or mag?
You could BS each other and talk about blowing and sucking. Not the same sucking a PVC does because none of you are knowledgeable enough to discuss this. If you were then you would have helped, not put down others questions.
Fryzll, what`s happenning. Care to take the spoon and stir? Dave is a racer so beware. Never turn your back on a racer or any one else in this site. Never know who subscribes to the BRF mag. No class.
I do try to help and other times I try to liven it up abit.In a jokingly manner. But Dave I`m not letting up for reasons as stated before. No respect for you whatsoever.damn dude, you are a low class MFer!
Hey, lets see who can take what I say out of context for lack of something original to post. Another BRF.
Damn, no, I am giving it to a worker on one of my crews. The 300ZX. His family doesn`t have much and he`s kinda young 23.
Never knew I could move so many people. Thanks to everyone including all the BRFs.
Custom Cruiser, just a helpful hint. I wouldn`t recommend building blower motors with 2 bolt mains. Ah but hell you guys knew that. Why would I open my stupid ****in` mouth to help someone. Even if he`s an asshole. Nice pic of your bench. BRF.
LVjetboy, the motor description was for someone asking about my motor in my old Monza. Take it outa contex as usual. Too damn afraid to go it alone hey!
Gotta love those Bench Racing Fags!
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[This message has been edited by jroos (edited October 28, 2001).]

[H8Monday]

Originally posted by jroos:
Gotta love those Bench Racing Fags!
EMAD? ... Slowbote? Is that really you under all that hostility? This is starting to read more like one of 'The Crew'.....

[Havasu Hangin']

Hostility (http://members.home.net/jwourms/pieceme.wav)? Perhaps we need a "group hug" (http://members.home.net/jwourms/insanity.wav).
http://www.goldenplasma.f2s.com/forum/smilies/happy25.gif

[jroos]

Just competetive conversation dave. Be cool and hammer me. That is not meant in a BRF kinda way either LVjetboy.

[jroos]

LVjetboy, I just read the thread and I was referring to anyone who was negatively responding. I damnn sure don`t recall mentioning you in any way shape or form. So how is it you are involved? When I say BRF I don`t litterally meen the F part. But in your case it is probably true since you took so much offense to it and felt compelled to fight for your rights per say.
Gotta love those BRFs.

[schiada96]

Didn't we go over this allready jroos you keep calling it a pvc, pvc we all know is for sprinklers. Nice boat do you use your 10 oops I mean 15 second dart headed small block for an anchor? I'm waiting on your smart ass answer you metal fab wizard

[superdave013]

This was the guy's question.
"I'm looking to put a set of those Ford Racing valve cover on my 460. Do i need to take the knockout out for a breather and pcv valve? Or can i get away with out runnig eaither??"
I just suggested that He use the breathers only. That's it.
jroos, I wish you did live closer as I would love to open up my shop fridge to ya and give you a cold one. You sure seem to need it!
BRF club now accepting new members!

[custom-cruiser]

jroos,
You really crack me up.
Now I could go into all the put downs and profanity that you seem so comfortable with but thats not my style. Now let me educate you on a thing or two, first Antrants question was very simply stated,
"Do I have to run both PCV and breather or can I get away with niether".Not whats the history of PCV,whats it stand for,why is there one on EM&d's Pacer or anything else. Superdave(in the second post) responded with his OPINION(correctly in my OPINION)that he needed some type of evacuation of vapors and a breather essentially does the same job as a PCV.I posted fourth and did follow to the finish.
Now for the comments you directed at me personally. Yes I was making fun of YOU when I asked to join the "BRF" club but thats because you sound so ridiculus in your posts with all the hostility.Did your sister leave you?(oops I said I wouldn't go there but that one slipped).
Anyway Monza man the complete Engine in my pic(taken 10-27-01 just for you)is a four bolt main(which is going in a nice tunnel hull)and the other disassembled 2-bolt will get the 177 blower and run only 3-5 lbs of boost(for my 21ft daycruiser).Right out of the Holley tech manual it says "2-bolt mains, stock rods,and cast crank are just fine if moderate boost is maintained(under 5 lbs). But you probably wrote that tech manual too so I didn't have to tell you that. Your middle name is "Holley" right?
All I have left to say is that you had better go get your presciption filled because you are much more pleasant when properly medicated.
Cruise(proud to be BRF)

[rstover1]

http://www.students.bucknell.edu/jdwalter/whofncares.jpg

[superdave013]

Originally posted by rstover1:
http://www.students.bucknell.edu/jdwalter/whofncares.jpg
Didn't that guy work at the Hawthorne mall?

[Wicky]

What you talkin about Willis?

[mister460]

Hey jroos, have a cold one and chill out a little. We don't need another Chet Capoli episode here. I got a few things to say though. People that build hot motors usually know alot about stock type motors. Gotta walk before you can crawl! People that build stock motors usually know how to change the oil(it's a joke, don't freak out, but you get my point). If you're an engine builder that's worth a shit, you gotta bench race, read books, etc. It's an excellent way to learn new stuff. Good engine builders(stock or not) are always looking for that extra edge. How many people still cast bearings into blocks still? Like 4 people on the planet? See my point yet? There's nothing wrong with bench racing. EVERYBODY does it!!! It's just that some people ONLY BR. And I have no problem with that.
PCV does stand for Positive Crankcase Ventilation. It does not stand for Magical Device That Sucks Blowby Gases Out Of Motor. PCV valves actually keep a minute amount of pressure in the block. They are a small check valve to prevent flow back into the block. Emission shit. Ever notice how they don't hook up to any sort of vacuum port. Just goes to the air cleaner to recycle any blowby. There, you called Dave out to explain a PCV valve but I did it. Tear me apart. I don't care cause I know what they are AND how they work. Breathers are better than PCVs because they allow better flow out of the block, hence, less block pressure. You will never get negative pressure in the block unless you use a pump or exhaust port suction. But, if you want to be green and clean, go ahead with the PCV or PVC or schedule 40 black iron or whatever sprinkler pipe you want to run(once again, a joke, settle down). I don't race for timeslips or money just beer and braggin' rights. I don't have 1000 hp or a 101mph boat, yet. I don't make any outrageous claims to my setup. But I do know about engines. Not everything, but alot. Stock and hot. Sorry so long but I needed to vent. Everyone, crack open a cold one and chill out. It's already beer-thirty!!!

[superdave013]

mister460, Thanks for the great reply. But this thread is about bench racing and not about pcv valves. I hope to pst some pics of my bench real soon. What I think would be cool is to see pics of peoples garages and work space. You know, the place where you work on your rig and toss back a few cold ones.

[058]

Jroos problem is way beyond beer...he needs a blow job. I've never met or read anyone so up tight as Jroos. Damn...give it a break, dude.

[Terrible Buddhist]

why do the flat bottom boys keep coming into the JET boat forums and stirring up trouble? Don't they have their own forum?

[058]

'cause theres more going on here that the v-drive forum...you guys are having more fun.

[superdave013]

Originally posted by Terrible Buddhist:
why do the flat bottom boys keep coming into the JET boat forums and stirring up trouble? Don't they have their own forum?
I post here because I love you guys man!
(and the v-drive board is kinda boring)
Gotta love those Outboard Drag Boats!

[Barely Legal]

Super Dave, I don't have a work bench. Does that mean I cant post in here? I promise not to take pictures out of old ***boat magazines and act as if I am a part of them. That would be "TERRIBLE"

[058]

Are we gonna do the group hug thing?

[mister460]

Sorry about the long wind on PCV valves. Just something I had to do. I'll see if I can get some of my workspace photos to post. Till then, keep em warm and wet! (the girls that is)!!

[superdave013]

Originally posted by Barely Legal:
Super Dave, I don't have a work bench. Does that mean I cant post in here? I promise not to take pictures out of old ***boat magazines and act as if I am a part of them. That would be "TERRIBLE"
Sure you can post here and any other place!
Here is a shot of you when you were still Legal!
So you were the guy that bought that boat from Bill.
http://wsphotofews.excite.com/009/F7/1P/3r/4o62506.jpg

[schiada96]

Barely legal I'd be proud to wear one of your t-shirts tell me where to send the money
Jb
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[RiverDave2]

PCV does stand for Positive Crankcase Ventilation. It does not stand for Magical Device That Sucks Blowby Gases Out Of Motor. PCV valves actually keep a minute amount of pressure in the block. They are a small check valve to prevent flow back into the block. Emission shit. Ever notice how they don't hook up to any sort of vacuum port. Just goes to the air cleaner to recycle any blowby. There, you called Dave out to explain a PCV valve but I did it. Tear me apart. I don't care cause I know what they are AND how they work. Breathers are better than PCVs because they allow better flow out of the block, hence, less block pressure. You will never get negative pressure in the block unless you use a pump or exhaust port suction. [/B]
That to me is what these boards are all about. A good edumucation.
My .02 cents
In all reality though hooked up or not hooked up, It's not going to make enough difference to matter. You'd get more speed out of taking a dump before the race. http://free.***boat.net/ubb/biggrin.gif
SuperDave, as far as my bench.....
Don't need one, Mercruiser Baby "Tried and True." LOL http://free.***boat.net/ubb/biggrin.gif
RD

[mister460]

Good, I'm glad we all agree now! So back to bench racing!!!!

[Hustler]

Hey RD, would'nt your bench be called ALCO? http://free.***boat.net/ubb/biggrin.gif
Hustler

[custom-cruiser]

As soon as I can figure out how to get the power to the wheels I think I'll be a serious contender in "BRF 02" World Finals http://free.***boat.net/ubb/biggrin.gif
http://wsphotofews.excite.com/008/Y8/yb/Zl/cl24733.jpg
only if I had one more Tech manual.......

[572Daytona]

It looks like the village people want in on the action too
http://www.alltel.net/~jthieme/brf.gif

[superdave013]

custom-cruiser, You are just a little farther along on your engine project that I am. Where do I put that PCV valve thing at anyway!
http://wsphotofews.excite.com/005/HT/Oh/dq/6W58720.jpg

[Barely Legal]

Super Dave, very impressive on the picture. That boat was extremely quick. That picture was taken in Waco 7.59 @142. Hot as hell and too much humidity. Where is the old Just Plain Nasty? River Dave, you are correct, I drop anchor before every pass and I am sure it's good for a tenth.

[mister460]

Yeah Cruiser, I saw that motor in the back of an Archie comic. Right next to the Sea Monkeys! http://free.***boat.net/ubb/smile.gif

[superdave013]

Barely Legal, I sold Just Plan Nasty to a retired guy that has a place out at Parker. He was looking for an old flat for a beater boat! I almost didn't sell it to him but his money was green! That boat looked almost brand new when I sold it and it was really 24 years old. Broke my heart to let it go. He's running a BBC with Hilborn injectors.

[Eat me & die]

Well 013 I think you need to stop and look at your #3 cam bearing, it dont look to good.
I would think a big racer like your self would use roller cam bearings!
Got to love those Big block fishing boats!!! http://free.***boat.net/ubb/smile.gif

[superdave013]

Originally posted by Eat me & die:
Well 013 I think you need to stop and look at your #3 cam bearing, it dont look to good.
I would think a big racer like your self would use roller cam bearings!
Got to love those Big block fishing boats!!! http://free.***boat.net/ubb/smile.gif
Thanks for the tip there EM&D! I didn't see that until this pic and I did go back and look at it. It must have been the light or something as all looks good when I'm standing there looking at it. It has a slight mark left from the dial bore gauge but that's it.
Maybe you could school me up on the roller cam bearing thing.

[Racing Ray]

Dave
On some of the all out effort competition engines these days they are machining the blocks and installing roller bearings on the cams. We see these mostly on Comp Eliminator engines and some of the big bucks Super Stock teams. These engines are freshened up about every 50- 75 passes on a quarter mile.

[superdave013]

Originally posted by Racing Ray:
Dave
On some of the all out effort competition engines these days they are machining the blocks and installing roller bearings on the cams. We see these mostly on Comp Eliminator engines and some of the big bucks Super Stock teams. These engines are freshened up about every 50- 75 passes on a quarter mile.
I have never seen that before. I don't know if I like that idea for this application. If one failed you would have little needle bearings floating around. I have had the torrienton bearing behind the cam fail before. Those needle bearings did lots of damage. This engine is going in my schiada and will be more for endurance. I plan on it being together for a long time.

[superdave013]

Here is a piston and rod that I am using. The wrist pin is oiled by the hole that goes up the beam. This is the frist time I have tried this.
http://wsphotofews.excite.com/018/Uc/45/8G/hI85947.jpg
http://wsphotofews.excite.com/002/a3/Zk/Zf/ib46656.jpg
Gotta love those big block carrillos!
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[schiada96]

superdave how is that turbo system coming along.

[pgf127rt]

Barely, I wonder where dave got that picture, and by the way, this topic is ten times better than the v-drives, lots of action, and some good info from everyone, and besides some of us flatheads have jets also, I use mine to tow the flat upriver, just in case someone out runs the jet, which ain't hard to do, then they can pick on the flat.

[Racing Ray]

Dave is that a .400 long rod? I ran Carillos in my smallblocks but I use Oliver Billet rods now. The I beam design is much stronger than an H beam. Most rod companies don't recommend an H beam for anything over 800 ponies.

[ChetCapoli]

Hey mister460,
what exactly is a chetcapoli episode anyways?? Do you even know what the orignal thread was about 6months ago? If you dont...better go read it BEFORE you start pointing fingers ok. Seems to me you dont have a clue.
BTW, TB...all kiddin aside,did you happen to find out how much i can buy that pump for?
thanks--chet

[superdave013]

Originally posted by Racing Ray:
Dave is that a .400 long rod? I ran Carillos in my smallblocks but I use Oliver Billet rods now. The I beam design is much stronger than an H beam. Most rod companies don't recommend an H beam for anything over 800 ponies.
Ray, These rods are slightly longer than .400". they are 6.635 center to center. They are being used with a 4.5" stroke crank. I don't know about that 800 hp limit. I have always used them and I have ran some pretty stepped up blown engines with a big dose of nitrous. I would buzz them over 9,000 rpm and the only problems I had was pistons cracking by the wrist pins. This engine should not see more that 6,000 rpm as I'm going to run lots O gear. The boost will be about 20 pounds less than before too. It's a pump gas deal. I have heard that those Olivers are the shit though. But I'm sticking with what has treated me good all along.

[Oldsquirt]

Superdave, love the high quality pics. What are you shooting them with?

[superdave013]

Originally posted by pgf127rt:
Barely, I wonder where dave got that picture, and by the way, this topic is ten times better than the v-drives, lots of action, and some good info from everyone, and besides some of us flatheads have jets also, I use mine to tow the flat upriver, just in case someone out runs the jet, which ain't hard to do, then they can pick on the flat.
Ha Ha, I got that pic from the same place I got these!
Here's pgf127rt showing that Texans have some big sack! Holy moly you ran that thing loose!
http://wsphotofews.excite.com/007/Yl/eA/Ab/4J39326.jpg
http://wsphotofews.excite.com/005/VN/2Y/5v/4p66790.jpg

[superdave013]

Just so you all know that I do have much love for the jet boat. Here's Hot Boat's own Jet Tech Harold Bruce's boat. Yes, it is faster than it looks! And it looks pretty dang fast I must say. LOOK, three OP6er in the back ground!
http://wsphotofews.excite.com/016/la/Ac/j2/6t11624.jpg
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[superdave013]

Originally posted by OLDSQUIRT:
Superdave, love the high quality pics. What are you shooting them with?
PGF127rt supplied the pics of his boat and Barely Legal's old ride. I used to race against Barely's old boat when another guy had it. The engine block and piston/rod and Harlods jet were shot with a sony digi cam that I just scored last week. So this thing is still new to me and I'll be posting tons O pics for awihle! Hey, didn't we meet at ming??
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[Oldsquirt]

Dave, yes we did meet at Ming(at the Risky Business pit).I think I recognize those hooligans scoping out Harold's boat as well. http://free.***boat.net/ubb/wink.gif
Which sony are you using?

[superdave013]

Originally posted by OLDSQUIRT:
Dave, yes we did meet at Ming(at the Risky Business pit).I think I recognize those hooligans scoping out Harold's boat as well. http://free.***boat.net/ubb/wink.gif
Which sony are you using?
Hey! Their not HOOLIGANS! Their OP6ers and I was dang lucky to just be able to hang with them for the day! lol
I'm using a sony cybershot 2.1 megapixels deal. Has got more little do dads than I know what to do with but I'm getting it figured out.

[pgf127rt]

Dave, thanks for posting the pix, and yes the yellow bitch ran a little loose most of the time, I wll get some pix of some of our Jet Boats for the readers to look at we have a few good ones down here in cow country, if we can just figger how to keep the ticks off of em, hell most of the time the catfish here have ticks on them.

[superdave013]

OK, back to bench racing! This is something that every hardcore bench racer needs. If you don't have one, then you must do your racing at a buddies house that does! Here's a pic of what keeps thing cold in my shop!
http://wsphotofews.excite.com/009/lG/7N/z2/eJ34419.jpg

[Jungle Boy]

Indeed, The beer fridge and Hi-Fi is a must. There is no reason to even go into the house if you have a nice lawn chair to pass out in.

[Leon]

SuperDave sweet sound system atop of that bad boy. Is it sporting 8 track?

[superdave013]

Originally posted by Leon:
SuperDave sweet sound system atop of that bad boy. Is it sporting 8 track?
I wish! Inagodadivda baby!

[burbanite]

Here is our latest Racing Bench.
We are in the process of deciding on engine placement so as to optimize the polar moment of inertia, we also think that this long wheelbase version will be less pitch sensitive and give us an advantage over some of the shorter ones you see beside it.
http://wsphotofews.excite.com/037/jK/8W/9U/kV31492.jpg

[superdave013]

Originally posted by burbanite:
Here is our latest Racing Bench.
We are in the process of deciding on engine placement so as to optimize the polar moment of inertia, we also think that this long wheelbase version will be less pitch sensitive and give us an advantage over some of the shorter ones you see beside it.
http://wsphotofews.excite.com/037/jK/8W/9U/kV31492.jpg
That's the shit! Man would I like to race at your bench! Thanks for posting. I would like to see more of the everyday peoples home shops too. But I loved seeing that! Do you remember an old timmer named Max Kelley? He did lots of indy stuff and in his later years worked for Bear alingment I believe.

[burbanite]

Superdave,
I had to post a picture of this bench as I don't have one at home, this is where the boat lives, nice and warm and all the tools I could ask for.
Max Kelley, was he a fabricator for Jim Hall at some point?
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[superdave013]

Glad you posted it. man, I wish I could work on my stuff at that shop!

[superdave013]

Originally posted by burbanite:
Superdave,
Max Kelley, was he a fabricator for Jim Hall at some point?
[This message has been edited by burbanite (edited October 30, 2001).]
I don't know who all he worked for but he did it all his life. I'm good friends with his son and love to hear his stories and see all the bitchin pic that he has. I do know he is a very good fabricator. He didn't drive to much but here is a pic of his drag bike. It was the record holder in Top Fuel in the late 50's. The boy in the pic is my friend and he is now 48 years old. Some of these pics were photos of an old Hot Rod mag from '59.
http://wsphotofews.excite.com/005/s8/Rm/YF/mH98873.jpg
http://wsphotofews.excite.com/008/54/Su/zd/mA73333.jpg
http://wsphotofews.excite.com/001/TJ/Jr/Be/mC34730.jpg
I will try to get some of his old photos to scan. He did lots of neat stuff. He is suffering with cancer now and when he is gone it will be a great loss. He has been kind of a role model to me. "if it's not worth doing right, it's not worth doing"

[mister460]

Chet buddy! Didn't mean to get your chonies in a bunch. I was refering to the post (aggressor vs berk or something) where it was a bunch of bickering back and forth about some petty stuff. I wasn't throwing you under the bus. Just puttin' some perspective on the situation. And you were involved in that "other" thread quite actively and most people can surely put your name with it. So calm down. That much stress isn't good for ya!
On to bench racing!! Burbanite, sweet shop but where's the fridge/stereo combo? It's a MUST have!!!!

[Unchained]

That bike looks like a roots blower on twin BSA motors. It must have been awesome for 1959.

[burbanite]

This bench is right up there with the best of them!
http://free.***boat.net/gfx/workban.jpg

[burbanite]

mister460,
they are through one of the doors on the left, along with the bid screen.

[superdave013]

Originally posted by mister460:
On to bench racing!! Burbanite, sweet shop but where's the fridge/stereo combo? It's a MUST have!!!!
I bet his shop even has a microwave! His fridge/microwave/stereo are in a room bigger than my whole shop I bet!
Some guys have the coolest jobs hu?
But time to get to some serious racing here!
I would like to pair 'em up with Burbanite sometime! Ya know, just for a few silvers and some pride! Nutten like spankin someone with those resorces with some good 'ol homebrew! But then again, I might loose and go home with the Old tail between the legs. Naw, not in bench racing!
I will put up some good Old green backs that Burbanite's jet hydro could whip slowboats!

[superdave013]

Originally posted by burbanite:
This bench is right up there with the best of them!
http://free.***boat.net/gfx/workban.jpg
Whoo Hoo! Man I would go home tired and smilling after a hard day at that Shop!

[burbanite]

I should check my spelling before I post!
Hey, there are few things I would like better than to do some good old jawing(sp) over a few beers with the people from here. That is after all, one of the reasons we do the things we do right? We don't go boating because it is a solitary pastime, we like to get together, drink beer (or whatever), and maybe tell huge lies about our past exploits!
I too would like to see pics of peoples bench racing garages/facilities/venues, I miss being able to go out to the garage whenever I felt like it just to tinker and have a beer. Don't get me wrong, my shop has everything a guy could ask for, it's just not the same as "your own".

[pgf127rt]

Dave, thanks for posting the pix of Mr. Kelley, brought back memories of a misspent youth, as i rode Trimph drag bikes in the late 50's here in Texas, best of luck to Max.
I don't understand your being envious of Burbanites shop, as I didn't see their beer fridge, every bench racing shop has to have one, I know because my shop is the magnet for the local bench racers, aka beer drinkers, a'int as antiseptic as the burb's but we sure do have some fun in that place, and burb, I do admire your operation.
ps Dave, the gears are on the way.
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[okeliminator]

here's your sticker 013 (think we should register it? http://wsphotofews.excite.com/037/Ot/Bz/gI/y869052.jpg http://free.***boat.net/ubb/tongue.gif
[This message has been edited by okeliminator (edited October 30, 2001).]

[Costello]

I would like to come out of the closet and say I too am a Bench Racing Fag. I have pictures (film none are digital or scanned) of the last 2 deals I built or owned (Vintage Hondo Needlenose Hydro & 1968 Sanger true flat), and haven't taken any photos of the current build up an 82 DiMarco 21' V-Drive. I will try to get pictures of the new one at least. I am currently assembling a roller 468 to power my BRF self around the lakes and rivers of Northern California. I hope to see many of the other BRF's on the water or at any Div.1 IHBA race any many of the NJBA races throughout the year.
[This message has been edited by Costello (edited October 30, 2001).]

[superdave013]

Originally posted by okeliminator:
here's your sticker 013 (think we should register it? http://wsphotofews.excite.com/037/Ot/Bz/gI/y869052.jpg http://free.***boat.net/ubb/tongue.gif
[This message has been edited by okeliminator (edited October 30, 2001).]
I do think we should register it! I freaking love it. Do you think you could change it to say "at the bench"? I don't really get on the bench but I do lean my fat ass up to the bench with a cold brew ready to race!

[superdave013]

Costello, I knew you were one of us. And yes, I did check to make sure that you were the Costello with two l's frist! Welcome my brother.
My bench is faster! hahaha

[custom-cruiser]

Originally posted by okeliminator:
here's your sticker 013 (think we should register it? http://wsphotofews.excite.com/037/Ot/Bz/gI/y869052.jpg http://free.***boat.net/ubb/tongue.gif
[This message has been edited by okeliminator (edited October 30, 2001).]
I'll take 2 Dozen! http://free.***boat.net/ubb/biggrin.gif

[okeliminator]

http://wsphotofews.excite.com/007/x3/HT/wc/Br41851.jpg
(((((bam)))))
NEW & IMPROVED!!
[This message has been edited by okeliminator (edited October 30, 2001).]

[custom-cruiser]

I vote that our CEO SuperDave puts on the first annual "BRF" get together at the location of his choice. I will pesonally donate 2 kegs to the first nights festivitys(from what I gather thats about all they would last around you guys). In addition I am willing to donate 40 bucks to the "get Jroos to the first annual BFR party" because he is the Icon who started this crazy cult!
How about it BRF's?

[058]

How about splitting the difference between So. Cal and N. Cal. There are several N.Ca'lers that don't get to partisapate in any of the fun cause its all in So. Cal.

[058]

Screw Jroos....signed Aunt Jeanne

[nelsonf]

Ok Where can i sign up. Sorry dont know how to post pics but my Beer fridge is in the Kitchen took a little while for the wife to get use to it but she is as much as a BRF as i am

[Costello]

058, I second the motion for a in between location, although we may be inclined to do a 13 hour pull ONCE next summer to the River. Wherever it is, I'll be the cool cat tippin' back mucho O'Douls or any other N/A I can get my hands on.

[Havasu Hangin']

Originally posted by 058:
How about splitting the difference between So. Cal and N. Cal. There are several N.Ca'lers that don't get to partisapate in any of the fun cause its all in So. Cal.
Isn't Pleasanton halfway between No Cal and So Cal? http://www.goldenplasma.f2s.com/forum/smilies/happy06.gif
http://www.goldenplasma.f2s.com/forum/smilies/happy25.gif

[superdave013]

That sounds like lot O fun. I will have to look into a location!
http://wsphotofews.excite.com/038/yH/yr/cF/Fg27701.jpg

[058]

HH, Pleasanton?....how about Shadow Cliffs? Thats close enough for me.

[burbanite]

See, I always miss out on all the fun! Jobs fine, location has its drawbacks sometimes.
I know I cannot compete with the REAL bench racers as our environment is kind of "antiseptic" as someone put it, a proper bench racing spot is more laid back. Never the less, I thought I would show you that we do indeed have a beer fridge (two infact).
http://wsphotofews.excite.com/019/3E/rf/q5/Lv60035.jpg
Each department has its own sound system, in the shop itself we only have a small radio but we do have this:
http://wsphotofews.excite.com/017/qq/I4/Hv/Lo27598.jpg
We have a Winston Cup team as well, here is a shot showing one of our sponsors...
http://wsphotofews.excite.com/007/B1/9B/sS/PE97206.jpg
And finally, the boat in its parking spot.
http://wsphotofews.excite.com/007/B1/9B/sS/Lq41517.jpg

[custom-cruiser]

I don't care how good you think your doing somebody will always come along and blow you away....In burbanite's case I DON'T THINK SO!!!! That shop RULES!!!

[superdave013]

burbanite, Are you going to be at the race at the Calif. Speedway this weekend?

[burbanite]

I have always said that it is a shame to have a place like this and not be able to show people, you can understand that there are a lot of things that no-one can see but I thought you guys might like to take a peek. There are not too many that have had the opportunity to see inside the building but if anyone ever finds themselves here in Indy get in touch and I can show you around.
Like I said, real bench racing spots are much more laid back, thats kind of how I am. Show us yours!

[burbanite]

superdave,
no but I will try to do a few next season. I have my hands full at the shop right now getting ready for the new car build and some up coming tests. I kind of retired from travelling last year, I do Indy and maybe the odd race or test but that stuff really gets in the way of my boating......

[superdave013]

burbanite,
Here is some pic's of part my home shop. Note the lush walls and spotless floors. This is where I make the home brew boat parts.
Oh, next time I come back to see my Ma & Paw I will look you up.
http://wsphotofews.excite.com/037/jK/8W/9U/GV47701.jpg
http://wsphotofews.excite.com/018/AI/Q2/9v/H138410.jpg
http://wsphotofews.excite.com/018/i2/cN/6a/GT81840.jpg

[burbanite]

Damn, I'd love to have all of that stuff in my garage - hell I don't even have the garage part of that equation!

[058]

Let me get this straight.....you guys have Coors Lite as a sponser but have a big Bud cooler in the shop? How do the Coors people feel about that?

[Jungle Boy]

I noticed the Bud cooler and Coors car too. That's one nice shop, any chance of trading jobs for about a year or so? Cool work, you must like getting up in the morning.

[okeliminator]

hey bubanite that is sweeet. we could have a hella barstool race there http://free.***boat.net/ubb/biggrin.gif

[pgf127rt]

Burbanite, thanks for sharing the work place with all of us gear heads, what a fantastic job to have! Superdave, that machine shop you have is a dandy, your mill and lathe are much bigger than mine, is that an old Buffalo Mill in the last pix, it looks like one that i have, after burbanite showing his I would be scared to show mine, it is comfortably messy.

[jroos]

IIIIIIIIIIII`MMMMMMMMMMMMMMM BACK! Hello boyz. Been to damn busy with the LCAC project. Software design problems. couldn`t get shit to talk to each other. Japanese bought 5 and they are a little upset. We got it going though.
Glad to see ya`ll could make the BFR club have the record # of posts. Damn I`m good. What question custom in reference to my monza motor? Would love nothing more than to answer it. If that was you. If not I won`t apologize. Beer, beer, and more beer. This weekend. When I get a hangover I`ll be back with another spoon to stir the pot.
Lookin` at a tubbed Camaro on Ebay. Pro street is neat!
Ya`ll guys have been awfully busy since I`ve been gone. Hope nothing bad was said behind my back.BRFs.
Gotta love those BRFs! `cause their so damn smart.
P.S. Thanks for the record boys. Oh yeah, P.S. stands for positive stimulation.

[schiada96]

jroos don't ya know pro street is dead. If ya can't make it go on a 10.5 wide tire ya can't make it go.

[spectras only]

I'd like to become a member of the BRF's http://free.***boat.net/ubb/biggrin.gifbut haven't got a good picture to post.You can see me at a bench at www.californiamarine.com (http://www.californiamarine.com) "shoptour by Brian Davidson" of Hot Boat.I like superdave's shop/garage since it has "character" http://free.***boat.net/ubb/biggrin.gif.It gives you that cozyness the nice clean shops like Burbanite's can't match http://free.***boat.net/ubb/wink.gif.The company [500.000# foot]I work for has all the machines you can dream of and has that antiseptic look [can never find interesting old parts,everything high tech].

[burbanite]

The Bud thing came about at Indy 2000, they jumped on board as a secondary sponsor for that event. They gave us product of course (not to my taste) and two of those fridges.
Coors are on the Nascar side and do not have a problem with either the CART or IRL programs as there is little crossover. We have started to introduce some of the sponsors to other markets this year.
Glad I could show some things of interest, and as far as a cool place to work? - I keep saying that I have never worked a day in my life!

[RR1/ 001]

Well burbanite look`s like a nice shop. That`s cool that you have a jet hydro and work on race cars. I have a dirt car shop and I have a jet hydro! I build dirt car`s, Stock, Late Model and IMCA,NCRA Mods. I have been asked to go Bush but you know us dirt guy`s! our shop is in 3 parts, one part is for the Dirt Cars, one part is for the Boat,one part is for our Drag Car.I wish my shop looked like the shop you worked in! I do my dirt car from the ground up and most of the Drag car is done the same way but we farm some of it out. Now the boat is just for fun and boy do we have fun with it. Anyway look`s like a nice shop And a cool Boat!
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[superdave013]

Originally posted by pgf127rt:
Burbanite, thanks for sharing the work place with all of us gear heads, what a fantastic job to have! Superdave, that machine shop you have is a dandy, your mill and lathe are much bigger than mine, is that an old Buffalo Mill in the last pix, it looks like one that i have, after burbanite showing his I would be scared to show mine, it is comfortably messy.
The last pic is of an Enco mill/drill. Buffalo could have one just like it. I have seen them with lots of different names on them. After I got the larger one I pretty much only use that one as a drill press now.
You should try to post a pic of your shop space. I like to see the messy ones too.

[LVjetboy]

Here's a messy one http://free.***boat.net/ubb/smile.gif
http://www.cedarcountyia.com/imghost/Bench.jpg
Now where did I put that dam* wrench? Oh well, time to sip another cool one...

[superdave013]

LV, that's not very messy! Looks like a nice vett too!

[RiverDave2]

LVJetboy, do you have a camera in your garage? What the heck is that up in the corner by the sealing?? Dam!! That's hi tec, even has it "frenched" into the ceiling. Clean looking install whatever it is.
RD

[superdave013]

Ya, that looks pretty slick. Is it a speaker? Look at how neat all his hardware is above his bench! My sink is older and less flashy too.
LV, your bench looks pretty fast but I bet mine is faster! hahaha

[okeliminator]

damn I want a real shop. You guys have some nice shit. I'll just settle for the beer right now, WOW that reminds me I'll be back http://free.***boat.net/ubb/tongue.gif
did somebody hear something earlier on this page?
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[superdave013]

Originally posted by spectras only:
I'd like to become a member of the BRF's http://free.***boat.net/ubb/biggrin.gifbut haven't got a good picture to post.You can see me at a bench at www.californiamarine.com (http://www.californiamarine.com) "shoptour by Brian Davidson" of Hot Boat.I like superdave's shop/garage since it has "character" http://free.***boat.net/ubb/biggrin.gif.It gives you that cozyness the nice clean shops like Burbanite's can't match http://free.***boat.net/ubb/wink.gif.The company [500.000# foot]I work for has all the machines you can dream of and has that antiseptic look [can never find interesting old parts,everything high tech].
I have seen that web site before. So you're the guy working on the jet pump? That looks like a nice operation up there! It looks like you can find the old (hard to find) parts up there! If you ever need anything like some used stuff that you can't find let me know. I hit the swap meets in So Cal alot looking for goodies. I exchange v-drive gears too.

[pgf127rt]

Superdave, I will try to get some pics of the shop and the toys posted on my website so you can post em for my computer illiterate butt.
I think it's a good thing for the world that you are in Cal. and I am in Texas, too many paralells in our agendas, I don't think they could handle you and I in the same place, we would have too much fun, cause I love to horsetrade and drink a little beer too.

[Timmy]

You guys are making me cry. I see running water in those pics. Hell I'd settle for a concrete floor. It's hell trying to call a barn a race shop. I'd take a pic but the lighting isn't good enough.

[superdave013]

Originally posted by Timmy:
You guys are making me cry. I see running water in those pics. Hell I'd settle for a concrete floor. It's hell trying to call a barn a race shop. I'd take a pic but the lighting isn't good enough.
Oh Timmy, Timmy,
What I would do for all that space that your barn has. Couple of days of prep and a few concrete trucks and you're set buddie!

[superdave013]

Originally posted by pgf127rt:
Superdave, I will try to get some pics of the shop and the toys posted on my website so you can post em for my computer illiterate butt.
I think it's a good thing for the world that you are in Cal. and I am in Texas, too many paralells in our agendas, I don't think they could handle you and I in the same place, we would have too much fun, cause I love to horsetrade and drink a little beer too.
Ya, maybe so. But for now UPS seems to be working pretty good. You should be getting a package from me any day now. OH, just so you know. That SGdiv7 guy in the v-drive forum that you gave that great advice to. I swaped some 29's for those 15's with him!

[LVjetboy]

Superdave, I think your bench and everything on it goes faster than mine. And your tool box looks way bigger...certainly displaying more credible decals. (Mine only has Jiffy Lube and AutoZone so far... j/k) But I really am a beginner BRF just trying to follow your lead http://free.***boat.net/ubb/smile.gif
My bench may not look bad from a distance, but get close and there's everything from N2O solenoids to cannibalized fuel pumps, a tree pruner, a roll of toilet paper and gas mask http://free.***boat.net/ubb/frown.gif Hey, you never know...
And those stereo speakers in the corners with finished walls, I'm thinking, I'd trade everything for bare 2 by 4's, a mill and that lathe you got!
jer
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[RiverDave2]

Clean install none the less. http://free.***boat.net/ubb/smile.gif
RD

[spectras only]

thanks for the offer superdave,will get in contact when need something unusual!

[jroos]

Woulda loved the nut I talked to today. F-250 : chip, 4 inch exhaust and was braggin` about almost 90 in the 1/4! Shipyards have all kinds. My question or response was, "WHY".
Gotta love those BRFs!
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[custom-cruiser]

Hey Jroos,
Are you a closet BRF?

[jroos]

NO!
And I could be missing out on one of the better things in life too. But I will never find out.

[superdave013]

Originally posted by jroos:
NO!
And I could be missing out on one of the better things in life too. But I will never find out.
jroos, Welcome to the club buddie!
Here's a sticker for ya.
http://wsphotofews.excite.com/009/Ah/OL/Mm/w252654.jpg

[Ghighway]

Hey don't want to be a stick in the mud but doesn't ole Jroos have to pass tech inspection first? Ya know he just might have a pcv stuck in his rig somewhere. :P

[wsm9808]

http://wsphotofews.excite.com/017/qq/I4/Hx/qU67702.jpg
Here is where my boat lives and gets worked on and a pic of my shop where we do the engine prep.
[This message has been edited by wsm9808 (edited November 03, 2001).]
[This message has been edited by wsm9808 (edited November 03, 2001).]

[wsm9808]

http://wsphotofews.excite.com/009/Ah/OL/Mn/qG67544.jpg

[jroos]

9808, awsome boat. LVjet, you must be running VP or some fuel with a lot of lead. Exhaust pipes are orange inside. Or is that over spray? Dave, that is a funny sticker. Is it a sticker yet? If it is I`ll buy one! No shit. Make `em and I promise I`ll buy a couple! One for vehicle, boat and boxes.
`cmon guys, I was only kiddin`. I wanna join the club!
I`m coming out! I am too a bench racing ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,kinda guy!
Wha da ya say?
Gotta love those BRFs!

[LVjetboy]

I say, welcome to the club! I think we're all bench racers at heart...just some of us actually do race. (Me, just 1/4 mile asphalt bracket...and not too impressive at that...not even close to 10!) I think you could call me a BRH http://free.***boat.net/ubb/smile.gif Oh ya, the orange color must be a digital anomoly?? Or really bad gas...
jer

[jroos]

Pro street S-10 on Ebay. Thinkin` `bout it. AC needs to be put back in. Color isn`t bad. Wish it had 21s. Frame would have to be notched again I think. I love pro streeters. Only if they are street legal and have all the amenities. Flipped Monza. DWI, tweaked frame. Gotta get another pro streeter to go to work in.
Gotta love those BRFs.

[jroos]

Gotta get a digital camera. Can only scan pics which result in black `n white.
Gotta love those BRFs.
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[superdave013]

wsm9808, Nice looking boat. Is that blown engine going in there? Your shop looks cool too. I can see all kinds of goodies in that pic.

[wsm9808]

Thanks Dave, The blower motor is for a 68 Camaro I'm building. The picklefork has a real mild 468 in it just for idleing around the lake in. I just went through the pump and motor and havent even had a chance to take it out for a run yet.
Did you see the pic of the red picklefork tunnel I posted over on the boat names/ pics thread, page 5 I think. Its a cool looking boat. I went ahead and bought it and pgf127rt has a good 225 and he ended up buying it from me. I hope he gives me a ride in it when he gets it running(hint,hint Don). i've never been in a quick OB.
[This message has been edited by wsm9808 (edited November 06, 2001).]

[pgf127rt]

wsm, as I write this my wife is picking up the boat in Midland this a.m., and when she gets home we will begin marrying the 225 to it, when it gets finished you can definitely have a ride, but if you ride with me you are braver than I would be riding with an old wore out drag boat pilot,LOL, can't wait to get it going and take a ride myself, Thanks for all your help.

[superdave013]

pgf127rt, I got the gears the other day.
Did you drill them yourself? The lower one didn't look so good.

[wsm9808]

Thank you pgf, hope you enjoy the boat. I sure liked the way it looked setting in my driveway, just almost didnt want to let it go yet. As far as wild rides go, you'll have to go for a ride with my girlfriend at the helm, your butt will suck the cover right off the seat. Tell Carol it was nice meeting her.

[pgf127rt]

Superdave, no I had a machinist do them, if there is a problem let me know, and I will make it right because I never really paid any attention to them after I got them back.
wsm, that is what I was referring to, in my previous post, I wouldn't ride with anybody in a boat that goes over 30 mph, I guess I am the control freak my ex accused me of being, thanks for all your help, the boat looked great.

[superdave013]

Originally posted by pgf127rt:
Superdave, no I had a machinist do them, if there is a problem let me know, and I will make it right because I never really paid any attention to them after I got them back.
They will be ok but I will have to do some things to them. The small gear only had two holes. They are not straight across from each other and they are not on the same centers. One of them got into the thick part of the gear a little. They even had chips in them. I will chuck it up on my indexing head and sink an end mill through them to straighten them out so the holes are on the same centers and straight across from each other. Good thing the holes they drilled were small ones. I will also put ten other holes in so it has 12 holes evenly spaced. I'll do the same thing with the large gear.

[Unchained]

Here's my home workshop in it's usual state of disorganization. That's Spike the wonder cat on the boat. He repels all intruders with loud purring and rubbing on the leg.
http://www.childsdale-ind-prop.com/Workshop.jpg

[fryzll]

Hey Unchained, nice boat. Jeez, it even gets pussy when sittin in garage http://free.***boat.net/ubb/biggrin.gif When you're out on the water at what speed does Spike decide to get back into the passenger seat?
Chris

[smokin]

I guess I not one of them BRF I have someone else work on my motor but its not cheap. LOL but I still tinker does that count me in? or not...craig

[Unchained]

Fryzl, Spike weighs 25 lbs. and you can't get him more than a few feet away from the food dish. So his job is to guard the garage and keep the mice out.

[superdave013]

Originally posted by smokin:
I guess I not one of them BRF I have someone else work on my motor but its not cheap. LOL but I still tinker does that count me in? or not...craig
smokin, As long as you can open a beer can yourself and talk the talk your in. We're an easy bunch here!

[058]

Unchained, A 25 lb. cat??? Damn, he doesn't get far from the food dish, does he? I have a couple of furry four legged assistants also, that is until they start clawing the seats then they get the boot.

[schiada96]

damn thats a fat cat

[jroos]

Special thanks goes out to 77Charger(Rob). He sent me the inner and outer fuel pump eccentrics for my 460. The man gave them to me for nothin` and even paid for the shipping. He wouldn`t take anything. Just thought I`d let everyone know that even though we have arguments here we can still help each other out. Thanks again Rob, they worked out great! I owe you one.

[Infomaniac]

unchained: sorry man, That pic brings back a bad experience I had with a cat getting on my boat. Everyone else:. I am posting this pic, Try going over rollers like this at 127 MPH with anything but a tunnel boat. Oh yea, this is not a jet drive.
http://ftp.webzone.net/infomaniac/roller.jpg
[This message has been edited by Infomaniac (edited November 10, 2001).]

[superdave013]

jroos, hey buddy, where have you been?