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dean51267
09-01-2004, 06:40 PM
Anyone that can vote for Kerry after seeing a leading Democrat make that speach is beyond me.....
He made some unbelievable points.....
If our families safety is important, we vote for GW, that is the opinion of a leading Dem Senator....
Wow.......

SHOCKWAVETOM
09-01-2004, 06:48 PM
That was an angry ex-marine and he tore Kerry up. I like that guy! He spoke strictly from a standpoint of what is best for America and his family instead of what is best gfor Democrats. Nice to see

mike37
09-01-2004, 06:50 PM
I mist it dam

77charger
09-01-2004, 07:31 PM
I missed it but am well aware of zel miller.IMO he has been a good politician.

MagicMtnDan
09-01-2004, 07:34 PM
Here's the text of the speech by Democratic Sen. Zell Miller of Georgia as prepared for delivery Wednesday at the Republican National Convention:
Since I last stood in this spot, a whole new generation of the Miller Family has been born: Four great grandchildren.
Along with all the other members of our close-knit family, they are my and Shirley's most precious possessions.
And I know that's how you feel about your family also. Like you, I think of their future, the promises and the perils they will face.
Like you, I believe that the next four years will determine what kind of world they will grow up in.
And like you, I ask which leader is it today that has the vision, the willpower and, yes, the backbone to best protect my family?
The clear answer to that question has placed me in this hall with you tonight. For my family is more important than my party.
There is but one man to whom I am willing to entrust their future and that man's name is George Bush.
In the summer of 1940, I was an 8-year-old boy living in a remote little Appalachian valley. Our country was not yet at war, but even we children knew that there were some crazy men across the ocean who would kill us if they could.
President Roosevelt, in his speech that summer, told America "all private plans, all private lives, have been in a sense repealed by an overriding public danger."
In 1940, Wendell Wilkie was the Republican nominee.
And there is no better example of someone repealing their "private plans" than this good man. He gave Roosevelt the critical support he needed for a peacetime draft, an unpopular idea at the time.
And he made it clear that he would rather lose the election than make national security a partisan campaign issue.
Shortly before Wilkie died, he told a friend, that if he could write his own epitaph and had to choose between "here lies a president" or "here lies one who contributed to saving freedom," he would prefer the latter.
Where are such statesmen today?
Where is the bipartisanship in this country when we need it most?
Now, while young Americans are dying in the sands of Iraq and the mountains of Afghanistan, our nation is being torn apart and made weaker because of the Democrat's manic obsession to bring down our Commander in Chief.
What has happened to the party I've spent my life working in?
I can remember when Democrats believed that it was the duty of America to fight for freedom over tyranny.
It was Democratic President Harry Truman who pushed the Red Army out of Iran, who came to the aid of Greece when Communists threatened to overthrow it, who stared down the Soviet blockade of West Berlin by flying in supplies and saving the city.
Time after time in our history, in the face of great danger, Democrats and Republicans worked together to ensure that freedom would not falter. But not today.
Motivated more by partisan politics than by national security, today's Democratic leaders see America as an occupier, not a liberator.
And nothing makes this Marine madder than someone calling American troops occupiers rather than liberators.
Tell that to the one-half of Europe that was freed because Franklin Roosevelt led an army of liberators, not occupiers.
Tell that to the lower half of the Korean Peninsula that is free because Dwight Eisenhower commanded an army of liberators, not occupiers.
Tell that to the half a billion men, women and children who are free today from the Baltics to the Crimea, from Poland to Siberia, because Ronald Reagan rebuilt a military of liberators, not occupiers.
Never in the history of the world has any soldier sacrificed more for the freedom and liberty of total strangers than the American soldier. And, our soldiers don't just give freedom abroad, they preserve it for us here at home.
For it has been said so truthfully that it is the soldier, not the reporter, who has given us the freedom of the press. It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us freedom of speech.
It is the soldier, not the agitator, who has given us the freedom to protest.
It is the soldier who salutes the flag, serves beneath the flag, whose coffin is draped by the flag, who gives that protester the freedom to abuse and burn that flag.
No one should dare to even think about being the Commander in Chief of this country if he doesn't believe with all his heart that our soldiers are liberators abroad and defenders of freedom at home.
But don't waste your breath telling that to the leaders of my party today. In their warped way of thinking America is the problem, not the solution.
They don't believe there is any real danger in the world except that which America brings upon itself through our clumsy and misguided foreign policy.
It is not their patriotism -- it is their judgment that has been so sorely lacking. They claimed Carter's pacifism would lead to peace.
They were wrong.
They claimed Reagan's defense buildup would lead to war.
They were wrong.
And, no pair has been more wrong, more loudly, more often than the two Senators from Massachusetts, Ted Kennedy and John Kerry.
Together, Kennedy/Kerry have opposed the very weapons system that won the Cold War and that is now winning the War on Terror.
Listing all the weapon systems that Senator Kerry tried his best to shut down sounds like an auctioneer selling off our national security but Americans need to know the facts.
The B-1 bomber, that Senator Kerry opposed, dropped 40 percent of the bombs in the first six months of Operation Enduring Freedom.
The B-2 bomber, that Senator Kerry opposed, delivered air strikes against the Taliban in Afghanistan and Hussein's command post in Iraq.
The F-14A Tomcats, that Senator Kerry opposed, shot down Khadifi's Libyan MIGs over the Gulf of Sidra. The modernized F-14D, that Senator Kerry opposed, delivered missile strikes against Tora Bora.
The Apache helicopter, that Senator Kerry opposed, took out those Republican Guard tanks in Kuwait in the Gulf War. The F-15 Eagles, that Senator Kerry opposed, flew cover over our Nation's Capital and this very city after 9/11.
I could go on and on and on: against the Patriot Missile that shot down Saddam Hussein's scud missiles over Israel; against the Aegis air-defense cruiser; against the Strategic Defense Initiative; against the Trident missile; against, against, against.
This is the man who wants to be the Commander in Chief of our U.S. Armed Forces?
U.S. forces armed with what? Spitballs?
Twenty years of votes can tell you much more about a man than twenty weeks of campaign rhetoric.
Campaign talk tells people who you want them to think you are. How you vote tells people who you really are deep inside.
Senator Kerry has made it clear that he would use military force only if approved by the United Nations.
Kerry would let Paris decide when America needs defending.
I want Bush to decide.
John Kerry, who says he doesn't like outsourcing, wants to outsource our national security.
That's the most dangerous outsourcing of all. This politician wants to be leader of the free world.
Free for how long?
For more than 20 years, on every one of the great issues of freedom and security, John Kerry has been more wrong, more weak and more wobbly than any other national figure.
As a war protester, Kerry blamed our military.
As a Senator, he voted to weaken our military. And nothing shows that more sadly and more clearly than his vote this year to deny protective armor for our troops in harms way, far away.
George Bush understands that we need new strategies to meet new threats.
John Kerry wants to re-fight yesterday's war. George Bush believes we have to fight today's war and be ready for tomorrow's challenges. George Bush is committed to providing the kind of forces it takes to root out terrorists.
No matter what spider hole they may hide in or what rock they crawl under.
George Bush wants to grab terrorists by the throat and not let them go to get a better grip.
From John Kerry, they get a "yes-no-maybe" bowl of mush that can only encourage our enemies and confuse our friends.
I first got to know George Bush when we served as governors together. I admire this man. I am moved by the respect he shows the first lady, his unabashed love for his parents and his daughters, and the fact that he is unashamed of his belief that God is not indifferent to America.
I can identify with someone who has lived that line in "Amazing Grace," "Was blind, but now I see," and I like the fact that he's the same man on Saturday night that he is on Sunday morning.
He is not a slick talker but he is a straight shooter and, where I come from, deeds mean a lot more than words.
I have knocked on the door of this man's soul and found someone home, a God-fearing man with a good heart and a spine of tempered steel.
The man I trust to protect my most precious possession: my family.
This election will change forever the course of history, and that's not any history. It's our family's history.
The only question is how. The answer lies with each of us. And, like many generations before us, we've got some hard choosing to do.
Right now the world just cannot afford an indecisive America. Fainthearted self-indulgence will put at risk all we care about in this world.
In this hour of danger our President has had the courage to stand up. And this Democrat is proud to stand up with him.
Thank you.
God Bless this great country and God Bless George W. Bush.

77charger
09-01-2004, 08:12 PM
good thing for the internet i am watching it now.Man is he ripping kerry a new A sshole :)

beer hunter
09-01-2004, 08:28 PM
I saw the whole thing and can describe the speech in one word......Awesome!!! :rollside:

BIGTYME
09-01-2004, 08:28 PM
That speech gave me chills. I almost wanted to stand up and clap when he was done... I don't know how anybody could vote for queery kerry after that!

Coach
09-01-2004, 08:59 PM
Zell is the Man!!!!
Here is the Video
Zell Miller's Speach (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,130680,00.html)

SoCalOffshore
09-01-2004, 09:18 PM
It was awesome.

ROZ
09-01-2004, 10:11 PM
That is one of the best speaches I've ever heard. It's like he has taken my thoughts and read them to the nation. God Bless that man! :rollside:

JustMVG
09-01-2004, 10:24 PM
Zell Miller has been a frequent guest on Sean Hannity's show as well as Laura Ingram, he has written some books and i cannot believe how incredibly right the man is on varying issues like Tax Reform, public Schools and teachers in general, if you knew the mans humble begginings you'd have far more repect for him than just what you have since he bashed Kerry, which was stupendous in my Honest Opinion!!!! Too bad he won't run For Pres. he says it's not "him" he can do more from the Senate floor.
MVG

Freak
09-02-2004, 03:38 AM
Damn I didn't believe their were any good Dem's left. There is hope. Thank god for Zell.

v-drive
09-02-2004, 04:40 AM
My wife and I were speechless. I had known that he was the one that blasted Sr. and new he was fond of Jr. but I just had no idea this guy was gonna come off like this. I have heard some early responses that he doesn't count anymore but i'm thinking that is just wishful thinking.
I want to hear from Mccain, his responses are bothersome and it doesn't make sence. I guess maybe he is just trying to keep things clean but why isn't he condemning Kerry and Edwards for some of their speeches.
:coffeycup v-drive

OGShocker
09-02-2004, 05:46 AM
I told my wife as we were watching, this guy has more balls than the rest of his party put together. For him to cross the line and cross it that hard showed me a lot about the man.
Today Sen. Miller will be hacked my the MSM (mainstream media) on how "mean" he was. I say F**K you Matt and Katie! :chi: Fox and friends hosts were sitting there this morning with their jaws still on the floor over Sen. Millers speach. :mix:

eliminatedsprinter
09-02-2004, 07:33 AM
The man is retiring from the senate and he doesn't need his parties support anymore, so I guess he figures he can finally stop comprimising and say what he really thinks about what has happened to the party.
This am on the news the main thing they were saying about the speech was how angry it's tone was. They also were talking about how he challanged Chris Matthews to a duel. I saw the speech, but I missed the duel challange, did anyone else see that???

Dave C
09-02-2004, 07:34 AM
I watch the liberal media closely.
The liberal media is F-ing pissed off about Miller. :eek: They are calling him every name in the book. :argue:
which is a good thing for us! :wink:
I always say that if you have to resort to name calling you already lost the argument.

OGShocker
09-02-2004, 07:41 AM
I watch the liberal media closely.
The liberal media is F-ing pissed off about Miller. :eek: They are calling him every name in the book. :argue:
which is a good thing for us! :wink:
I always say that if you have to resort to name calling you already lost the argument.
Whatever you A$$hole!...sorry I had to. :D :D
I am going to spend a big part of my day looking for positive news items on Sen. Millers speech. I wonder if I find three?

Dave C
09-02-2004, 07:49 AM
you will find none
If the media is pissed because they are a bunch of flaming lefties that means WE ARE WINNING!!!!! :D
BTW did you hear my laughter from my house in Norcal during Miller's speech? intermixed with the Kerry's ship is sinking comments?

Essex502
09-02-2004, 08:01 AM
Pretty damn good speach last might. I didn't know of this guy until yesterday but now after ready a bit of his background and bio it's clear he should switch parties...he's definitely no Democrat.

eliminatedsprinter
09-02-2004, 08:09 AM
Pretty damn good speach last might. I didn't know of this guy until yesterday but now after ready a bit of his background and bio it's clear he should switch parties...he's definitely no Democrat.
He says he sees no point in switching now that he is at the end of his career. I heard him say once (something to the effect of) that he is a fighter and he won't let his parties swich over to the far left push him out.

spectratoad
09-02-2004, 08:27 AM
The dems are now saying how "mean spirited" that speach was and that it is the Bush camps fault and they aren't playing fair etc.... It is about time that someone from the Dems told it like it is. :argue:
I wish more of them would speak the truth whether they were retiring or not. The politico's need to quit looking for the compromise and just do the right thing. :devil:

carbonmarine
09-02-2004, 08:37 AM
I went to dinner after the Miller Speech and was listing to Chris Mathews on XM Radio and "Zell The American" came on.... Chris started in with his usual depositionary style of leading questions and jumpin to the next question without explaination and Zell let him have it ( Fireworks ! ) ..... It was awesome !
The media has their feathers ruffled over that speach , participlarly where the solders & reports statment was applied ..... man. that was good.
I belive it about time straight language was applied to the national debate.
Rick32

ROZ
09-02-2004, 08:37 AM
Pretty damn good speach last might. I didn't know of this guy until yesterday but now after ready a bit of his background and bio it's clear he should switch parties...he's definitely no Democrat.
He's no Republican either. I guess he's like the minority of registered voters in the nation, right in the middle....
Oh, by the way. I'll be over on Saturday the watch the game, eat your food, and drink your beer. Heck, I may bring the whole family and borrow your boat. The Democrates say it's fine. Since I can't afford it, what's yours is mine :D

spectratoad
09-02-2004, 08:39 AM
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Essex502
09-02-2004, 08:44 AM
He says he sees no point in switching now that he is at the end of his career. I heard him say once (something to the effect of) that he is a fighter and he won't let his parties swich over to the far left push him out.
The most recent article I read he was quoted as saying he wouldn't switch because he was born a Democrat.

ROZ
09-02-2004, 08:45 AM
The dems are now saying how "mean spirited" that speach was and that it is the Bush camps fault and they aren't playing fair etc....
They want to talk fair? How about campaining during the opposing party's convention. It has been courtesey for years not to do it. Kerry and his campaign are out in full force with his 50million dollar advertising campaing right now! It's obvious that they have to. They can't win otherwise.
BTW, I'm a swing voter...

Essex502
09-02-2004, 08:52 AM
He's no Republican either. I guess he's like the minority of registered voters in the nation, right in the middle....
Oh, by the way. I'll be over on Saturday the watch the game, eat your food, and drink your beer. Heck, I may bring the whole family and borrow your boat. The Democrates say it's fine. Since I can't afford it, what's yours is mine :D
Just bring one of those big plasma HDTV screens along and I'll show you where to put it! On the wall that is!
Actually from the articles I'ev read this morning on Zell Miller, he's a Republican in disguise! :D He's voted Yes on every bill or vote the that Bush has supported since 2000. He co-sponsered Bush's tax cut bill in the Senate.
BTW...he also praised Bill Clinton at the Democratic Convention in 1992...also three years ago he praised Kerry by calling him: "...one of this nation's most authentic heroes, one of this party's best-known and greatest leaders, and a good friend,..."
Heh...it was a good speach!

ROZ
09-02-2004, 09:06 AM
Just bring one of those big plasma HDTV screens along and I'll show you where to put it! On the wall that is!
Actually from the articles I'ev read this morning on Zell Miller, he's a Republican in disguise! :D He's voted Yes on every bill or vote the that Bush has supported since 2000. He co-sponsered Bush's tax cut bill in the Senate.
BTW...he also praised Bill Clinton at the Democratic Convention in 1992...also three years ago he praised Kerry by calling him: "...one of this nation's most authentic heroes, one of this party's best-known and greatest leaders, and a good friend,..."
Heh...it was a good speach!
The Democratic party has changed 2 fold since 1992, but Kerry's voting and wobbling on the fence hasn't :D
Since Miller claims to be friends with Kerry, I can only question Miller's insight on Kerry's policies and the way left turn in his party was well displayed in his speech.

jbtrailerjim
09-02-2004, 09:15 AM
I went to dinner after the Miller Speech and was listing to Chris Mathews on XM Radio and "Zell The American" came on.... Chris started in with his usual depositionary style of leading questions and jumpin to the next question without explaination and Zell let him have it ( Fireworks ! ) ..... It was awesome !
The media has their feathers ruffled over that speach , participlarly where the solders & reports statment was applied ..... man. that was good.
I belive it about time straight language was applied to the national debate.
Rick32
I watched that interview on tv. It was freakin great!!! Zell was pissed off. He wanted to come down there and kick Chris Mathews ass. He was so pissed at Chris Mathews when he wouldn't let him answer the questions without interrupting him, that he actually said during the interview he wished it was like it was in the old day's so, he could challenge Chris Mathews to a duel. I was laughing my ass off!!!
Oh, and Zell's speach was simply awesome!!!!

Essex502
09-02-2004, 09:43 AM
I have to do a little more homework but is it true that Zell Miller served three terms as Lieutenant Govenor under Lester Maddox - known as one of the most racist govenors of his time?
Maddox on America:
"That's part of American greatness, is discrimination. Yes, sir. Inequality, I think, breeds freedom and gives a man opportunity…"
Zell Miller on Lester Maddox, 2003:
"He sought public office three times before finally winning an election, but his first victory was for an office he cherished. It took the state constitution, the United States Supreme Court and the Georgia General Assembly to do it, but Lester Maddox finally made it. Georgia is a better state for it…"
And gee...it looks like Miller's disdain for the Democrats came about after advisors publically urged Gore to choose Miller as his running mate - which he didn't. Is there a motive here?

ROZ
09-02-2004, 10:00 AM
I have to do a little more homework but is it true that Zell Miller served three terms as Lieutenant Govenor under Lester Maddox - known as one of the most racist govenors of his time?
Maddox on America:
"That's part of American greatness, is discrimination. Yes, sir. Inequality, I think, breeds freedom and gives a man opportunity…"
Zell Miller on Lester Maddox, 2003:
"He sought public office three times before finally winning an election, but his first victory was for an office he cherished. It took the state constitution, the United States Supreme Court and the Georgia General Assembly to do it, but Lester Maddox finally made it. Georgia is a better state for it…"
And gee...it looks like Miller's disdain for the Democrats came about after advisors publically urged Gore to choose Miller as his running mate - which he didn't. Is there a motive here?
Nothing is done without motivation, even your post. The real question is whether or not you conceive validity in his statements toward Kerry, Kerry's voting record, and the direction in which he believes Kerry will take the country based on how Miller portrays his "friend" of many years...

Essex502
09-02-2004, 10:09 AM
Nothing is done without motivation, even your post. The real question is whether or not you conceive validity in his statements toward Kerry, Kerry's voting record, and the direction in which he believes Kerry will take the country based on how Miller portrays his "friend" of many years...
As I've said before on several other posts...I ain't votin' for Kerry. I'm sure that his statements have much truth in them but the vitriol with which he expounded them made me look into his motives as well. Doesn't mean it wasn't a good speech. :D

eliminatedsprinter
09-02-2004, 10:38 AM
The most recent article I read he was quoted as saying he wouldn't switch because he was born a Democrat.
I've heard him say that also.
I wouldn't be suprised if he worked for Maddox. His is of that age and from that state. As far as him being a republician in disguise. No way, he is however a southern conservative Democrat and more likely to support many of the things like tax cuts and defense etc, that are supported by todays republician party. I was suprised to here him called "the consious of the Democratic Party". The last time I heard someone called that by a Democratic leader, it was the title they gave to Sen Robert (the Klansman) Bird.

ROZ
09-02-2004, 10:46 AM
I'm sure that his statements have much truth in them but the vitriol with which he expounded them made me look into his motives as well.
I believe that most sensible( I won't say rational) Americans(not necessarily voters) will question anyone who speaks from another party's convention and attempt to calculate (like the chess game politics is)the speech by what was and wasn't said. You know, read between the lines... :rollside:

Froggystyle
09-02-2004, 10:48 AM
That guy needs to be giving big tent revivals...
"Amen my brother... put your hands on the radio, you will be healed-uh!!!!!"
The toughest part about the whole speech for me was figuring out which one liner was going to be my new signature... :cool:

Dave C
09-02-2004, 12:51 PM
froggy ... good point... my favorites: (and an excellent point as well)
Now, while young Americans are dying in the sands of Iraq and the mountains of Afghanistan, our nation is being torn apart and made weaker because of the Democrat's manic obsession to bring down our Commander in Chief.......
I can remember when Democrats believed that it was the duty of America to fight for freedom over tyranny.
Time after time in our history, in the face of great danger, Democrats and Republicans worked together to ensure that freedom would not falter. But not today.
Motivated more by partisan politics than by national security, today's Democratic leaders see America as an occupier, not a liberator.
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