lets see your bildge coating pics>>>

[86 catalina]

I am in the process of fixing my stringers and redoing my bildge compartment >I wanted to repaint my stringers after i did the wood replacement and glass work...But i am not happy with the color>Black Lets see your pics of bildge comp. any suggestions on material to use.?

[396_WAYS_TO_SPIT]

I will post pics of mine next week. I am doing a similar project;) I am going white gelcoat with light blue and dark blue splatter;)
396

[Devilman]

I am in the process of fixing my stringers and redoing my bildge compartment >I wanted to repaint my stringers after i did the wood replacement and glass work...But i am not happy with the color>Black Lets see your pics of bildge comp. any suggestions on material to use.?
White gel, blue splatter. Was sprayed in February of 2005. Never tried cleaning it until this past weekend. Cleaned up & lookin like new using only a rag & plain water.
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/2029newfloor1.jpg

[MikeF]

This is the only pic I have right now cause my computer is down for the count. :rolleyes:
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/521/153seats1_1-med.jpg

[Squirtcha?]

I was seriously considering doing that with mine Mike (gelcoating the whole inside). I'm not going to do it this time around, but maybe next time. It looks good like that.
One question that weighed on me was, is it slippery? That was my main concern and since I tend to be a bit of a clutz anyway, I felt like I shouldn't push the envelope in that regard. Did you put some grit in it, or is it smooth?

[MikeF]

Dan, That is the way I bought it.......but yeah, I like it. :cool: You do have to be careful walking around inside though. A slip here or there could damage some toes or something worse. :jawdrop:
Just gotta be careful.

[MikeF]

That stuff that Schiada adds to the decks on their hulls would probably be a good idea to add to the bilge. :)

[Taylorman]

Just did mine. Before and after.
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b334/vidrinek/Boat/DCP_6019.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b334/vidrinek/Boat/DCP_6092.jpg

[Squirtcha?]

Dan, That is the way I bought it.......but yeah,
I like it. :cool: You do have to be careful walking around inside
though. A slip here or there could damage some toes or something worse. :jawdrop:
Just gotta be careful.
Hmmmn that almost sounds like a statement from someone who's
crunched a toe or two in his time?
I'd really like to get rid of the carpet. It's just nasty and hard to
keep clean.

[wsuwrhr]

I tired Zolotone in the jetboat, I don't know if I applied it wrong, or did something else stupid, but it came out like shit.
Looked really nice until it got wet, then it all came off.
Pretty.
Brian

[superdave013]

That stuff that Schiada adds to the decks on their hulls would probably be a good idea to add to the bilge. :)
that's not added. it is in the mold.

[86 catalina]

Nice work guys lets see more pics and ideas>>I just replaced my stringers in my boat and i left all teh gel coat alone>when i was done i painted my stringers black and i dont really like it i gotta go to work i will post pics later today...

[Jbb]

Balsa and resin look nice...Easypoxy from Pettit ...and Awlgrip hold up well..
http://www.clubcobra.com/photopost/data/500/24507860DSCF0007yu1.jpg

[Squirtcha?]

From my experience, paint doesn't hold up. In my boat I used
an epoxy based paint. The first time it got a little gas on it, it
started peeling. At least one other person here on the board
said that they painted and it's still holding up. Not sure what
they used, but it sure wasn't the same stuff I tried.
I ended up sanding all that epoxy paint off (gelcoat will react
with epoxy) and started all over again with gelcoat.
I've posted these at least a half million times, but what the hell.
Here's a before
http://www.homestead.com/jetboat/files/enginemount1t.jpg
A couple afters.
http://www.homestead.com/jetboat/files/p1010002t.jpg
http://www.homestead.com/jetboat/files/p1010003t.jpg
I've got gray in the seats and gray carpet. It looks o.k. but not as
fancy as some of the guys with multi-colors and speckles etc. It is
durable though.
I had to repair some bottom damage from last year (both inside and
out) so I have to redo the gelcoat in the bilge area. I'll be spraying
it this Friday. I brushed it in last time, so I'm hoping it will look better
sprayed.
I agree with JBB. Resin coated balsa looks great. First you'd either
need a balsa bottom (Kachina was real low buck stuff, even the finish
on the fiberglass was extremely poor), or you'd have to do the balsa
yourself (not worth the effort or expense on my low buck, backyard,
hackjob, shadetree, mechanized boat).

[86 catalina]

http://www.***boat.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=12864&stc=1 http://www.***boat.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=12866&stc=1 http://www.***boat.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=12867&stc=1 http://www.***boat.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=12868&stc=1 http://www.***boat.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=12869&stc=1 From day one with rotted wood, to completley glassed to, painted black >>>I didnt like it very much so i sanded it down and went to cristaliner in cost mesa and got gel>Geled it and waiting for ot to dry>>>Post those pics later ......

[Squirtcha?]

That's some very nice looking work there. I think you've made
the right decision going with the gelcoat to help protect all that
hard work and keep it looking good. Looking at your hardware,
I'm thinking it might be a good idea to use stringer type washers
and silicone the undersides.
If you can prevent water from entering the wood through the bolt
holes and get to the unprotected inside of the stringer, it'd probably
go a long way to keep it from rotting again.
Just a thought.
Stringer washers (http://www.rexmar.com/images/page23.jpg)

[flat broke]

Along those same lines... pull the bolts back out and use some swabs (will probably have to buy some long ones for the thickness of your stringers) to apply some catylized resin to seal the hole on the inside. Use enough to seal the wood completely, but not so much as to make it impossible to get the bolt back through. If you don't want to/can't do that, then silicone as Dan suggested is your next best bet.
Chris

[BrendellaJet]

Along those same lines... pull the bolts back out and use some swabs (will probably have to buy some long ones for the thickness of your stringers) to apply some catylized resin to seal the hole on the inside. Use enough to seal the wood completely, but not so much as to make it impossible to get the bolt back through. If you don't want to/can't do that, then silicone as Dan suggested is your next best bet.
Chris
Tape the threads if you do that!

[flat broke]

Tape the threads if you do that!
Let me clarify... Let the resin kick before you put the bolt in ;)
Chris

[86 catalina]

These pics are with a light tan gel coat sprayed yesterday>>>The green that you see is the pva ,it is a gel coat hardner/curing agent ...just got home from work let me work on her a little bit and clean the pva off and i will snap a few more picshttp://www.***boat.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=12882&stc=1 http://www.***boat.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=12883&stc=1

[ttmott]

Valspar Marine Topcoat is the most bullit proof coating I have found. Easy to apply, easy to clean up. About $9.00 a quart. The coating in the pic is about 5 years old. It is slick however.
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/1030muffler1.JPG

[Riverat84]

how about the spray in bedliner crap? has anyone done that stuff? it was just a thought....my interior isnt nasty enough to do anything not just yet.
my worries would be the weight that the liner would add to the boat, other than that, i feel it would be a great no slip grippy surface....thoughts on this anyone?
Reid

[Squirtcha?]

Along those same lines... pull the bolts back
out and use some swabs (will probably have to buy some long
ones for the thickness of your stringers) to apply some catylized
resin to seal the hole on the inside. Use enough to seal the
wood completely, but not so much as to make it impossible to
get the bolt back through. If you don't want to/can't do that,
then silicone as Dan suggested is your next best bet.
Chris
I tried doing that with mine, but got too much gel in the hole. Then
had to clean it out with a drill to get the bolt through. After cleaning
it out with the bit there wasn't any gelcoat in the hole anymore.
Might've been a some, but I wasn't convinced that it was going to be
waterproof. Thus the sillycone.
I'm sorta sloppy when I work though. If you could find some kind of
bottle brush or foam finger kinda applicator or something, it might
work better. Or maybe if the artisan wasn't such a slob? :)

[spectras only]

I have my stringers and transom replaced during winter, finished with white gelcoat. White gelcoat gets dirty pretty fast in a bilge ,so I painted it with off-white marine enamel . In case of some oil spill , it wouldn't show stain as easy :p .
http://www3.telus.net/spectrasonly/new%2520transom.jpg
Just for anyone's interest , I used fillers in the transom where holes are located to minimize rot , in case of a leak starts at some fasteners .
http://www3.telus.net/spectrasonly/inner%20transom

[RUSSO]

These pics are with a light tan gel coat sprayed yesterday>>>The green that you see is the pva ,it is a gel coat hardner/curing agent ...just got home from work let me work on her a little bit and clean the pva off and i will snap a few more picshttp://www.***boat.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=12882&stc=1 http://www.***boat.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=12883&stc=1
LOOKS GOOD..I BET THAT WAS A 30 PACK INTO IT AND SOME TUDE SAUSE..MMMMMMM :crossx:

[BigBlockBaja]

I'm wondering, why such think stringers? Very nice work you did there.

[396_WAYS_TO_SPIT]

how about the spray in bedliner crap? has anyone done that stuff? it was just a thought....my interior isnt nasty enough to do anything not just yet.
my worries would be the weight that the liner would add to the boat, other than that, i feel it would be a great no slip grippy surface....thoughts on this anyone?
Reid
Ive done it and it look good. I did my last boat with "herculiner" roll in bed liner. They stuff is thick and is very easy to use. If you want shine then wipe her down with armor all and its done;) I am going to gelcoat my current bilge instead of bedliner.

[Riverat84]

Ive done it and it look good. I did my last boat with "herculiner" roll in bed liner. They stuff is thick and is very easy to use. If you want shine then wipe her down with armor all and its done;) I am going to gelcoat my current bilge instead of bedliner.
yeah dude i know that line x is naturally shiney as fock....i just wonder how much it would cost to have them do it!?!?!?!? turns out its about 5 bills for my shortbed, muchless the boat!

[W.O.T]

http://myspace-314.vo.llnwd.net/00654/41/33/654103314_l.jpg
this is a spray on bedliner not sure which brand

[460 jus getn it]

http://myspace-314.vo.llnwd.net/00654/41/33/654103314_l.jpg
this is a spray on bedliner not sure which brand
i have the spray in bedliner in mine. has held up great....................

[Riverat84]

yeah but would you guys coat the whole floor instead of carpet/wood etc.?....it seems like a great idea but i dont know how it would be on the bottom of the feet. let me know guys...it seems like a cool idea.
Reid

[Devilman]

yeah but would you guys coat the whole floor instead of carpet/wood etc.?....it seems like a great idea but i dont know how it would be on the bottom of the feet. let me know guys...it seems like a cool idea.
Reid
Yessir, did my whole floor with gel/splatter. Friend of mine did his as well. It's just like a bay boat. Enough texture to keep you from slipping, not scratchy or anything. Not hot either like some people think either. Biggest thing is ease of cleaning, most of the time just hose it out, let it run out the back. No carpet to get full of sand, spilled beer, etc.... Gotten lots of compliments on it as well. :cool:

[BLEWBAYOU1]

This is mine after I replaced one of my stringers.
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/3621ygp9BE3-med.jpg
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/3621MVC-007F-med.JPG
Brian

[Hallett19]

There are all types of bedliner colors. That would be my first choice, non slip, repels everything and is very durable... and if you dont like the way it looks, just remember, function before fashion :)

[Riverat84]

Yessir, did my whole floor with gel/splatter. Friend of mine did his as well. It's just like a bay boat. Enough texture to keep you from slipping, not scratchy or anything. Not hot either like some people think either. Biggest thing is ease of cleaning, most of the time just hose it out, let it run out the back. No carpet to get full of sand, spilled beer, etc.... Gotten lots of compliments on it as well. :cool:
damn! now i want to do it...shat.
Reid

[86 catalina]

Here she is just finisher her yesterday> Its is a light tan gel coat,it looks a little yellow in the pics>>>I would have to say that gel coating is the superior coating for this type of application. Bed liner wasnt designed to be in the water all the time,it also dosent stick to fiberglass as good as gel coating..starts to peel if not sanded and preped real good before application>>The gel is very durable and is usually what boat builders use>>If anyone needs me to gel thier bildge let me know i will do it for a fair price>...many colors to choose from>In case anybody was wondering i have gel coated many things. look at<russo> i gel coated his whole boat a few years back bright white>i also do some custom painting /small stuff..thanks guys lets see more bildge pics...http://www.***boat.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=12959&stc=1 http://www.***boat.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=12960&stc=1

[Squirtcha?]

I shot mine Friday. Don't look at the pump. It's getting a good
cleaning tomorrow morning before I drop the motor back in. She'll
be ready for some water finally. Engine and electrical is all that's
left.
http://www.jetheaven.us/photopost/data/500/19bilge_small.jpg

[86 catalina]

man that looks great good work>>feels when you do a good job even if it takes a bit longer than expected....its river time ha ha ha ...gel will last for a long long time ...i would say better than anything else..good job

[Squirtcha?]

Thanks very much.
I prefer the way it looks after today though.
http://www.jetheaven.us/photopost/data/500/19motor_is_in.jpg
My pit crew (son).
http://www.jetheaven.us/photopost/data/500/19puttin_her_in.jpg
This kid's been in on a bunch of engine pulls.
http://www.jetheaven.us/photopost/data/500/19Pit_crew.jpg

[BrendellaJet]

are you guys using duratec when you spray? If so how does that help with the orange peel?

[El Prosecutor]

Thanks very much.
I prefer the way it looks after today though.
http://www.jetheaven.us/photopost/data/500/19motor_is_in.jpg
Squirtcha - looks great. Here's hoping that this one lasts WAY longer than 45 minutes. . . . !!!

[Squirtcha?]

are you guys using duratec when you spray? If so how does that help with the orange peel?
I'm not using anything. I just left the orange peel. It's a boat bilge.
Squirtcha - looks great. Here's hoping that this one lasts WAY longer than 45 minutes. . . . !!!
This one's tried n true. Going on it's fifth season. Probably due for
a freshening up, but I'm gonna try to make it through one more season.

[86 catalina]

If you want the gel coat to spray more like paint thin it with acetone come out as smooth as a babys butt...In my last pics you see the gel not sanded and very smooth...

[BrendellaJet]

how much acetone are you using?

[jetboat]

White gel, blue splatter. Was sprayed in February of 2005. Never tried cleaning it until this past weekend. Cleaned up & lookin like new using only a rag & plain water.
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/2029newfloor1.jpg
it's me again,looking at your bulge,what did you do about the hole from the bulge to under the floor?

[Squirtcha?]

If you want the gel coat to spray more like paint thin it with acetone come out as smooth as a babys butt...In my last pics you see the gel not sanded and very smooth...
I knew from talking to my supplier that thinning it with acetone would help the sprayability of it. I also knew that it would extend the potlife slightly (sometimes a good thing). However, I wasn't sure if it would decrease the durability of the product once applied. Since it is just a boat bilge I decided to forego the thinning and live with the orangepeel. I'm not a painter either, so I probably had my gun setup improperly and got even more peel than most people would (people that knew what they were doing).
I must admit Catalina's work looks way better than mine.
Oh well. :cry:
On a good note, I've got enough orangepeel that it almost works like an anti-slip agent. Not that I go walking around in the bilge area much, but now I've got that going for me.

[Devilman]

it's me again,looking at your bilge,what did you do about the hole from the bilge to under the floor?
What hole under the floor? And I hope like hell you mean BILGE!

[BrendellaJet]

I knew from talking to my supplier that thinning it with acetone would help the sprayability of it. I also knew that it would extend the potlife slightly (sometimes a good thing). However, I wasn't sure if it would decrease the durability of the product once applied. Since it is just a boat bilge I decided to forego the thinning and live with the orangepeel. I'm not a painter either, so I probably had my gun setup improperly and got even more peel than most people would (people that knew what they were doing).
I must admit Catalina's work looks way better than mine.
Oh well. :cry:
On a good note, I've got enough orangepeel that it almost works like an anti-slip agent. Not that I go walking around in the bilge area much, but now I've got that going for me.
Dont be so hard on yourself. I think it turned out killer. As for the acetone, Im pretty sure it evaporates, so all you are left with is gel, as long as the acetone has a time to evap before the PVA...I've heard the 10% acetone is the limit. But that hardly makes a difference, so im curious to see if you can do more than that to really thin it down and get it to flow more like paint out of the gun.

[retromek]

Here's mine...Zolatone W/ Valspar automotive Clear. WSUWHR was right the Zolatone does breakdown and wipes off when water hits is, Zolatone tech's dept says to clear it. So I did Holding up good to hose high preasure cleaning.
Had to use 2 gallons though. the first gallon was junk, Zolatone and my S/W dealer refused to help out with the second gallon. Drilled out a gun tip and shot it with my Green Sata HVLP.
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/297612a-med.jpg
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/297612b-med.jpg

[75MillerJet]

i used roll-in duplicolor bed lining on mine and also did the tanks. turned out good but it does seem like it never really adhered too well to the glass... think a clear over it will help it out?

[Squirtcha?]

Dont be so hard on yourself. I think it turned out killer. As for the acetone, Im pretty sure it evaporates, so all you are left with is gel, as long as the acetone has a time to evap before the PVA...I've heard the 10% acetone is the limit. But that hardly makes a difference, so im curious to see if you can do more than that to really thin it down and get it to flow more like paint out of the gun.
Excuse me.................would you mind not interrupting when I'm beating myself up?
It's o.k. Everytime I do something I learn from the experience. I have a long history of learning lessons the hard way. I'm used to it.
The supplier said to thin, just ad a 1/2 ounce - 1 ounce of acetone per 1/2 quart of gel until you get the desired consistency. He didn't mention how much would be too much though.
What you're saying about the acetone evaporating makes sense.
This guy doesn't use PVA and seems to prefer using the wax as a drying agent. I've bought supplies from him twice and when I tell him what I'm doing, this is what he gives me. I knew about PVA but never thought to ask about it.
It seems to me the nice thing about the PVA is that you can spray as much gel as you want to and only use the PVA after the last coat to aid the drying.
When you're mixing the wax into the gel you're kinda doomed to get it right in one pass. Not sure what kind of adhesion you'd get if you wanted to put a second coat over the first and the wax was rising to the surface of the first while you were trying to spray a second coat?
Just some ponderings.

[BrendellaJet]

I spoke with Crystaliner today. They told me that you can cut gel with acetone up to 40%. Im gonna try it and see what kind of results that yields. That much should reduce its viscosity enough to flow through nicely and avoid orange peel...

[flat broke]

It'd be interesting to hear Todd's take on that. If it works, he's probably doing it. More thinner coats with less sanding has got to be faster than fewer heavy coats and more sanding.
As far as the Duratech, Wallgator shot some last week and said that it did seem to cut the orangepeel down pretty good. Hopefully he can post up and give his first hand impressions as well as possibly some pics.
Chris

[Squirtcha?]

I spoke with Crystaliner today. They told me that you can cut gel with acetone up to 40%. Im gonna try it and see what kind of results that yields. That much should reduce its viscosity enough to flow through nicely and avoid orange peel...
You'll probably have to take care not to run on vertical or near vertical areas. That's one of the nice things about shooting the 100% unthinned gel. It's so thick you'd almost have to try to make it run.
I'll be curious to see how you guys do.

[BrendellaJet]

It'd be interesting to hear Todd's take on that. If it works, he's probably doing it. More thinner coats with less sanding has got to be faster than fewer heavy coats and more sanding.
As far as the Duratech, Wallgator shot some last week and said that it did seem to cut the orangepeel down pretty good. Hopefully he can post up and give his first hand impressions as well as possibly some pics.
Chris
Id love to hear what he has to say. Barney always said 10% was the limit...we know how that goes...
The good thing is that the stuff is so thick that cutting it even 30% reduced would still be thicker than paint, so more resistant to runs. We will see. im gonna try to do my bilge this weekend.

[Squirtcha?]

You'll let us know how it goes then?

[BrendellaJet]

You'll let us know how it goes then?only if its worthy of posting here. :crossx:

[Squirtcha?]

IMO everything is worthy of posting here. Even if it doesn't go the way I want it to, I always put my stuff up. It might help somebody else out down the line. :)

[396_WAYS_TO_SPIT]

i used roll-in duplicolor bed lining on mine and also did the tanks. turned out good but it does seem like it never really adhered too well to the glass... think a clear over it will help it out?
Did you clean the surface? You also have to sctochbrite the surface so it can bond. My last boat was rolled with bedline 3 years ago and it still looks perfect.
396

[BrendellaJet]

Did you clean the surface? You also have to sctochbrite the surface so it can bond. My last boat was rolled with bedline 3 years ago and it still looks perfect.
396
Problem with the bedliners is that you wont see any delamination occuring. With gel or even paint which dry to a hard shell the problem is still apparent...

[Jake W2]

40 percent Acetone holly crap.I have shot gel with wax and was told not to thin the gel with acetone but with styrine,I sound like a broken record but acetone breakes down the gel does it look good at first sure but how long will it last in the sun?
I was told to only use acetone to clean up the gun :rollside:
I thought Todd went the way of Billy B and was pushing paint.Said it was not as hard.I rember todd saying he used PVA also.
good luck guys.
I bought a Sata with a 3.0 tip and it shot really nice.
Jake

[BrendellaJet]

Okay, here is a pic of my bilge after spraying. Used 20% acetone on a 2.0mm tip. Sprayed from 12-18 inches and orange peel was greatly reduced from my previous experience. Sprayed directly over wood also and no problems with adhesion(not yet anyways)
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/212Bilge_001.jpg