F uck California and Arnold....

[MudPumper]

This State ****ing sucks. I'm moving. :mad:
SACRAMENTO – Even as Congress allowed a federal ban on assault weapons to expire Monday, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger signed legislation strengthening California laws restricting the sales of high-powered rifles.
The signing of AB 50, by Assemblyman Paul Koretz, D-West Hollywood, bans the sale of .50-caliber BMG rifles. The move stands in sharp contrast to the decision of Republican leaders in Congress not to renew a 10-year-old federal ban on assault weapons.
Gun control advocates say the measure makes California a national leader in improving public safety.
"California has once again confirmed its status as a bellwether state in preventing gun violence," said Tom Diaz of the Violence Policy Center in Washington, D.C. "Today's action not only protects the police and public, but stops the sale of a confirmed tool of terrorists. We look forward to other states, and eventually the U.S. Congress, following its lead."
Opponents of the controls say there is no evidence the guns have been used in criminal activity.

[NastyOne]

Whewww...... I thought this was going to be about something important. :wink:

[Racer277]

When was the last time a .50 BMG round was used in a crime?
Class, anyone? :rolleyes:

[Ducatista]

When was the last time a .50 BMG round was used in a crime?
Class, anyone? :rolleyes:
Probably never I would guess......

[Kindsvater Flat]

So much for long range target competitions. :frown:

[Mrs. Restless22]

So much for long range target competitions. :frown:
I dont know anything about guns....but what does this mean for hunters???

[Kindsvater Flat]

Nothing other than a gun you can't own.

[mirvin]

Hey, did you guys know that our super elite socialist law makers here in California wrote into the "carrying a concealed weapon" law a provision that states that your first offence is a misdemeanor??
Thought you'de like to know. So if you're not already a felon you can go ahead and carry protection without fear of becoming a felon:)
mirvin :jawdrop:

[Racer277]

I dont know anything about guns....but what does this mean for hunters???
Nothing to hunters, as that round would destroy an animal (or human).
But it is used in the sport of Long Distance Target shooting.
Really makes no sense.

[Mardonzi]

I dont know anything about guns....but what does this mean for hunters???
not a thing for hunters, just the long range competitions that kindsvater is talking about... That and it is easier to ban others once a precedence has been set. Next stop, grandpa's Ol' 30-30

[Waist Deep]

You're right, friggin California sucks the big one. As soon as I can, I'm off to AZ. That is when the wife says its o.k.

[mirvin]

Don't give up on Cali yet folks. All we gotta do is get all the wacky socialist dems out of the State Legistalture and we'll be alright.
mirvin :p

[Mardonzi]

Yeah,, AZ does have it's perks,, love the "Open Carry" concept

[mirvin]

Yeah,, AZ does have it's perks,, love the "Open Carry" concept
Um.....YOU BASTARD!!!! :messedup:
mirvin ;)

[XtrmWakeborder]

Hmm since i have property in AZ can i just register there?

[77charger]

Hey, did you guys know that our super elite socialist law makers here in California wrote into the "carrying a concealed weapon" law a provision that states that your first offence is a misdemeanor??
Thought you'de like to know. So if you're not already a felon you can go ahead and carry protection without fear of becoming a felon:)
mirvin :jawdrop:Provided you own the gun legally(not prhohibited form owning it and you own the gun-registered to you)then it is a misdemeanor.

[mirvin]

Provided you own the gun legally(not prhohibited form owning it and you own the gun-registered to you)then it is a misdemeanor.
Of course!! It also helps to have a copy of the section or at least be able to quote it as most LE probly don't know about it
:smile:
mirvin :rolleyes:

[djunkie]

not a thing for hunters, just the long range competitions that kindsvater is talking about... That and it is easier to ban others once a precedence has been set. Next stop, grandpa's Ol' 30-30
I agree. Banning something as rediculous as the 50 bmg will only lead to future weapons being banned, including my hunting rifles. Whats next are they gonna take Bow and arrows away from us. Pretty soon I'll being going deer hunting with a knife. I can see it now, jumping from a tree onto a nice buck and restling him to ground and slitting his throat. Sounds kinda like one of the governaters movies.

[Scream]

The biggest problem with "gun control" is that the guns are not the problem, it's the shooters. Why won't the politicians and special interests listen, why do they believe that by eliminating gun ownership by honest law abiding citizens, that the gang bangers, murderers and thieves will stop carrying as well. Misguided attempt at humoring the special interest IMO.
Scream

[Hotcrusader76]

I dont know anything about guns....but what does this mean for hunters???
With a 50 cal? :eek: :2purples: :D

[mirvin]

The biggest problem with "gun control" is that the guns are not the problem, it's the shooters. Why won't the politicians and special interests listen, why do they believe that by eliminating gun ownership by honest law abiding citizens, that the gang bangers, murderers and thieves will stop carrying as well. Misguided attempt at humoring the special interest IMO.
Scream
That's the point right there Scream. Criminals do not abide by laws, let alone gun laws. Too bad the general public has been fooled into the "guns are bad" mentallity.
mirvin

[78Eliminator]

I love guns. And all the big gorilla dip shits that like to start shit and beat people for no reason, well, a 45 round will go through all that stupid muscle.....

[gramps]

I wonder if California will ever honor other states conceal carry permits. Or for that matter will California ever issue carry permits to the average person?

[MagicMtnDan]

Don't give up on Cali yet folks. All we gotta do is get all the wacky socialist dems out of the State Legistalture and we'll be alright.
mirvin :p
Gotta love your optimism Mirvin. I think pigs will be flying and cows will be driving long before the "wacky socialist dems" are voted out of the State Legislature.
I heard that John and Ken (radio knuckleheads here in SoCal) are going after a couple of Republican legislators for not doing enough to protect our borders and cut down on illegal immigration. If that's true what they're doing is just like the California legislature taking guns away for law abiding citizens to stop crime - you're punishing the WRONG PEOPLE!

[Waist Deep]

In California, it doesnt matter what crime you commit, you're gonna get off. Friggin lawyers protecting these pricks. Guess we cant take the law into our own hands anymore!

[Excessive Force]

So what city in az best replicates so cal life?

[Sleek-Jet]

So what city in az best replicates so cal life?
None, that's why we live here. :D :chi:
Seriously, how do you mean?? Things to do? Cost of living? Size of the city?

[Excessive Force]

None, that's why we live here.
Im wanting to get the f out. But dont wanna live like an okie. Im sure cost of living is lower anywhere out there.

[Sleek-Jet]

Im wanting to get the f out. But dont wanna live like an okie. Im sure cost of living is lower anywhere out there.
Phoenix is the most metropolatin city I would say.
I live in Tucson, about a quarter the size of Phoenix, and like it alot. But I'm not a big city person as it is. I can drive about 20 minutes in any direction and be in the middle of the desert. :D

[Excessive Force]

gotta start start looking into sunny Arizona! Damn no water tho except for the river?

[Sleek-Jet]

Theres Lake Pleasant, and Bartlett, would be closest. Then the Salt River lakes Roosevelt, Apache, Canyon, and Saugauro are all East of town..
Powell is about 4 - 5 hours north.
The river is about 2 hours away.

[Excessive Force]

The river is about 2 hours away. Beats 31/2 hours from where im at. :rollside:

[Excessive Force]

<-- trying to think of why i should stay here :hammer2:

[Excessive Force]

lets see $205,000 + 60k for a boat to put into deep ass garage....hmmm still a deal!

[steelcomp]

:p allrighty, a little humor about cali, " can you picture a drive by with the hommies using a compound bow or cross bow", or a sling shot !! CALI BITES THE BIG ONE !!! it's such a wannabe, do good, we'll screw up the rest of the u.s. state!! :p
Hey, I can hit a beer can at 60 yds with my bow, every time, and the arrow will go right through a person. No blast, no noise, no powder on the hand, no riflings.
It won't be long....
But like mervin says...don't give up on CA...the rest of the country is getting a clue, CA will, too.

[IDK]

It's pretty sh ity the way the librals got this one approved , they put the bill the bill away and then two weeks later when are state reps were on vacation they voted on it (when reps are gone the other libal reps can vote on there behalf pretty f u c k e d up) This was very well orchestrated, but we can still buy them untill jan 1 05 and grandfather them in . As far as the hunters go your next , they got these bolt action rifles band , you can thank that feminazi Fianstein (she has a ccw permit BTW .tipical democrat 2 for me and none for you). Check this place out www.50bmgstore.com EDM arms is the shiznet.or check this place www.extremefirearms.com ,AZ is the last frontier a great place and would love to live there but it's a rite to work state.It's to bad a gang member couldn't hold one of these sideways long enough to fire it let alone hold onto his money long enough after selling his crack to buy one, just my $ .03 . Roger

[Jordy]

my house to parker,2 1/2 hrs, to havasu 3 1/2hrs, to saguro :eek: 15 miles, canyon :eek: :eek: 25 miles, lake pleasant 1 hr , ready to move yet.
I'm about the same to Parker and the river. 40 minutes to Pleasant, Saguaro or Bartlett. :D :D :D

[Krazy K]

lets see $205,000 + 60k for a boat to put into deep ass garage....hmmm still a deal!
Don't forget to add in the A/C costs over the summer!! 24 hours a day for about 3 months...that's alot of MOOLAH!!!

[Sleek-Jet]

Don't forget to add in the A/C costs over the summer!! 24 hours a day for about 3 months...that's alot of MOOLAH!!!
I can by alot of electrons with the $200,000 I'm saving on the purchase of my house. :D

[schiada96]

Are they going to tell me how powerful a rifle I can have. What is next my
300-378

[Gerard]

I'm just wondering why you would seriously want a .50 cal rifle/machine gun? I shot these weapons alot in the Marines. We shot H.E.I (high explosive incendiary) and A.P.I (armour piercing incendiary) rounds alot out of the machine guns, they are a friggin awesome weapon. the ammo alone is very expensive.
I had a friend that had a .50 Barrett sniper rifle we used to shoot up in cleveland national forest years ago. Now you really can't shoot a weapon like that anywhere. I had a Desert Eagle .50 cal pistol. What a beast that thing was. Got rid of it, rounds were over $1.00 each!!
to each his own, I just think that's alot of weapon for hunting or target shooting.

[MudPumper]

Obviously you are missing the point :( :messedup:

[MudPumper]

Hey, did you guys know that our super elite socialist law makers here in California wrote into the "carrying a concealed weapon" law a provision that states that your first offence is a misdemeanor??
Thought you'de like to know. So if you're not already a felon you can go ahead and carry protection without fear of becoming a felon:)
mirvin :jawdrop:
yep, and did you know if you get cought carrying some sort of a club it is a felony. But a gun is a misdemeanor??????? Explain that logic.

[Seadog]

England has made a big deal over banning guns and knives. They have actually melted down classic gun and knife collections to prevent them from getting into misguided hands.
Crime rates have actually gone up, especially violent crime. They know that the local cops cannot hurt them, while they have no compulsion against the use of weapons, legal or not. Look at the number of bombings and other crimes of violence in England. Our system would be a lot more effective if the criminals were not given such babying by the courts. They are getting ready to release an 18 year old for good behavior after two years in 'rehabilitation'. He killed a 71 year old man in a crime spree.

[Mardonzi]

I wonder if California will ever honor other states conceal carry permits. Or for that matter will California ever issue carry permits to the average person?
I seriously doubt it, especially from a CCW issued from Utah. I mean no offense, being a former Utard myself. I had a Utah CCW when I lived there, and now hold an AZ CCW, and the ease of aquiring the Utah one is probably the reason some states fail to grant reciprocity. Arizona requires a 16 hour course, including range time in order to receive a CCW. Utah required me to meet with an instructor for approximately 20 minutes and discuss use of force laws and scenarios with him. After that, I paid my 50 bucks, got fingerprinted, and was out the door with an approved application to turn into the state. Kinda scary if you ask me..

[Gerard]

Obviously you are missing the point :( :messedup:
I was simply "stating" my opinion and asking for your's why you want this weapon. I wasn't questioning your right to have it.
What would you do with it?

[Mardonzi]

I was simply "stating" my opinion and asking for your's why you want this weapon. I wasn't questioning your right to have it.
What would you do with it?
They are quite common for long range shooting competitions (1000 M and such). And are definately a rush to shoot... it's amazing what these things will penetrate

[Gerard]

They are quite common for long range shooting competitions (1000 M and such). And are definately a rush to shoot... it's amazing what these things will penetrate
I know what they are capable of, I shot this weapon for years in the Marines.

[Mardonzi]

When you live in the "sticks", it's alot easier to find places to plink around with these things...

[Dr. Eagle]

And here I was thinking of going out and stocking up the armory...
Damn gun control nuts... :hammerhea