Heres what I've been up to lately

[Kurtis500]

I'm going to have this tested on Dave Sharps TAH during the World Finals.
Thought I would show this to the ***boat crowd before it gets shown in a couple weeks. Needless to say I have worked for SOO long and hard on this. It finally paid off. I will be up for the ACE awards next month in Tampa for the part and hope to make a big splash with it. I have the molds set-up where I can produce 2 per day if needed. That a long day too. This is designed to fit the late hemis and b/rb motors...and it bullet proof!
Once my pictures develop I have a few more items to show off.
Let me know what you guys think. I will give the entry form description below. Not trying to blow my horn, but I've spent months on this and cant remember the last time I got to bed before midnight!!
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Heres the description for the show.
Composite RTM Oil Pan for Ballistic and Thermal Protection
The Composite RTM 'Bullet Proof' Oil Pan represents the leading edge in multi-functional composites for engine applications. The oil pan is manufactured using a combination of six individual systems in a closed mold RTM process. A high-slip semi-permanent release system is applied to the mold and countermold to allow for easy part release with high draft angles. The countermold is gelcoated black for the component interior. After gelcoating, the baffles are loaded with layers of carbon fiber and closed mold mat. A layer of thermally protective fabric is then installed to the countermold. The mold is coated with a mixture of clear gelcoat and other chemicals to leave a “workable” surface for layers of carbon fiber. Once cured, the carbon fiber is hand laid into the mold. Next, on a separate fixture, 15 layers of bullet-proof fabric are preformed before being placed into the production mold. Closed mold mat is then multi-layered in various areas of the component to adjust part dimension. The molds are then closed together and injected with a fire retardant resin in a "single shot" RTM process. Once pulled, the component is placed in a customized mill fixture and accurate hole alignment is machined. Metal inserts are epoxied and pressed into place. This allows for air impact tool use when mounting and dismounting the component to engine blocks. The sealing rail and inserts are milled flat for a precise sealing surface. Channeling holes are cut into the baffles and a stainless "trap door" assembly is mounted. Color is applied only to the milled sealing surface for aesthetic design. The component is polished and ready for use. Ballistic design is to meet the SFI 7.1 certification required to withstand a 1350 fps, caliber .22, 17 grain fragmentation simulator.

[voodooCanoe]

OK -The big question. How much?

[wsuwrhr]

Uh huh, uh huh.
I like I like
B/RB motors ey?
I'm saying one of thise badboy's has my name all over it.
I would like some info such as depth front/rear, I am assuming I can drill into the side for my swinging pickup.
I am worried that this is too deep for my jetboat. Yet another reason I need to find a v-drive.
Maybe we can do a billet trade?
Brian

[superdave013]

pure prono! nice work man

[Kurtis500]

OK -The big question. How much?
Honestly I'm not sure yet. The teams are making titanium oil pans now days to keep from oiling down the tracks. The billet blocks do a good job of keeping the parts from exiting the sides. Basing it off titanium valve covers I would guess they charge $3000-$5000 for a pan. I haven't weighed a titanium oil pan since they are rare right now, but this part is noticeably lighter than one titanium valve cover. Idont plan to charge more than $1200 for the bullet proof version and $600 for the non-bullet proof part. A Dan olsen pan is $500, and this one is much lighter.

[Kurtis500]

Uh huh, uh huh.
I like I like
B/RB motors ey?
I'm saying one of thise badboy's has my name all over it.
I would like some info such as depth front/rear, I am assuming I can drill into the side for my swinging pickup.
I am worried that this is too deep for my jetboat. Yet another reason I need to find a v-drive.
Maybe we can do a billet trade?
Brian
The pan is 3 1/2 in the front and 5 1/2 in the back. Its a quarter inch thick and can be driller through the side. I just dont want a hole there for the convention in a few weeks.
I do trades :shift:

[wsuwrhr]

The pan is 3 1/2 in the front and 5 1/2 in the back. Its a quarter inch thick and can be driller through the side. I just dont want a hole there for the convention in a few weeks.
I do trades :shift:
So are we talking an 8 or 10 quart pan? I am thinking 8, right? Should work. I have a 10 now.
We talked about the bottle mount for the tank you made. Either way when you get them going, I am in for some. My wife will HATE me. :hammer2:
Dig the parts.
Next on the block, billet valve covers for the B/RB motors. Too bad you are only doing carbon fiber for the hemis.
Is there a ***boat member deal? :shift:
Brian

[MoparSanger]

I like it!!
:jawdrop:

[garrett]

That is realy cool!

[Kurtis500]

I may do the valve covers next. All parts will pass the SFI 7.1 or 14.4 restraint tests. Problem with valve covers is the old chinese curse, you gotta make more than one.

[UBFJ #454]

Darren -
In the past Composite Material Valve Covers, Pans, etc. haven't stood up too well when used with Dry Sump Systems creating a Large Vacuum ... Are you Designing/Building for Dry Sump Systems or is that in the Future?

[Kurtis500]

Hey Jak. These are completely different than any others. When I talked to Danny Gracia (NHRA national tech director) he said they were having control issues with the pans and valve covers. They were made a certain way with x amount of carbon layers. As time went on, some teams would ask for the part to be made lighter, hence a few less layers were used in construction. This allowed parts to easily be shattered when the rotating assembly fragmented. He said they still have a few in thier safety warehouse. This was the reason for them being banned at the time. This one is a quarter inch thick, and you could set the motor down on the pan. In fact, you can set your car on it too.
My 392 hemi valve covers are being used on a vacuum pump motor right now with no problems. If you laid hands on it, you would see there is no threat of a vacuum pulling the part in.
Come on over and see them Jak.

[wsuwrhr]

I may do the valve covers next. All parts will pass the SFI 7.1 or 14.4 restraint tests. Problem with valve covers is the old chinese curse, you gotta make more than one.
Are you saying, you ARE, or you CAN, do valve covers for the B/RB's?
Since I am in the prototype business, I know what the costs are to tool up something like that. If you are looking at selling them only to me, I doubt I can pay those costs, but I would be curious to know what they were.
I would be curious what the costs would be. I am looking at 5-700 for the billet valve covers. I am sure the carbon would be more, but I would be curious what your costs would be.
Brian

[Kurtis500]

Are you saying, you ARE, or you CAN, do valve covers for the B/RB's?
Since I am in the prototype business, I know what the costs are to tool up something like that. If you are looking at selling them only to me, I doubt I can pay those costs, but I would be curious to know what they were.
I would be curious what the costs would be. I am looking at 5-700 for the billet valve covers. I am sure the carbon would be more, but I would be curious what your costs would be.
Brian
I doubt they would be more. I'm just spread really thin on making product runs. The B/RB covers would be easy to do but it would be back in line somewhere. I'm pretty far into a few technical projects right now. I'll be meeting with these people next week. www.mercorp.com I may pick it up sometime though since I have a valve cover sitting here. I had a valve cover mold for the B/RB motors but I threw it away since I knew before it was finished that the proper tool line wasn't built in. Its a good thing I didnt build the countermold for it.$$

[UBFJ #454]

Darren -
Either give me a call or PM me your phone number and a time best to catch you as I'd really like to see what your up to over there. Also, I'd like to talk with you about a project we are going to start after the World Finals.
Jak

[Slap Dawg!]

Kurtis 500
Awsome job. Hope the venture works out well for you. Whereabouts in Phoenix are you making these things. i'd love to see the finish product in person.
Slappy

[Kurtis500]

Thanks Slap Dawg!
I make these right in central Phoenix. I'm at 6th street and Missouri. If you were in the area you are welcome to stop by and check some things out.
I plan to have one at the World Finals for the silent auction. My wife is the treasurer of the RESP, so I figured I should step up and contribute. Its good on the 383-440-late hemi motors. It wont fit the TFX-92 or 96 blocks.
I knew you sold your boat, but are going to race again?
Darren

[Slap Dawg!]

Darren:
Racing is definatley in the plans for the future. We just opened a new business. Fire restoration of all things. We need to get this thing off of the ground then I can get some bigger and better toys.
I will try and look you up sometime.
Thanks
Erick

[Kurtis500]

Darren:
Racing is definatley in the plans for the future. We just opened a new business. Fire restoration of all things. We need to get this thing off of the ground then I can get some bigger and better toys.
I will try and look you up sometime.
Thanks
Erick
Fire restoration? You mean rebuilding a structure after a fire? You should be pretty busy in Maryvale if thats the case.

[Daytona100]

Looks pretty sweet and pricey. Should keep the oil downs to a minnium. :crossx:

[Slap Dawg!]

Darren:
Yup that's what we do. Why busy in Maryvale? I guess I need to look into it.

[Kurtis500]

Theres a lot of house fires over there. I know that from experience :rollside:

[Kurtis500]

:D Since were almost neighbors, one of those would look killer in the ol Schiada ( BBC ) Gen IV BLOCK, Any of those in the future ( v-drive pan )? That is a nice piece of craftsmanship !!! :D scott.
Thanks! I'm not sure where I'll go from here in auto parts. I'm waiting until after the convention in 2 weeks and the word from NHRA to decide what I'll do. Theres a motorcylce dealer behind my house and I've started doing some parts for the Ducati and KTM bikes. He's excited about me making these while he sells retail or distributes. The amount of money for those little parts is INSANE! He handed me a part, and the next day I showed up with the carbon fiber piece finished and already had the mold completed. The parts are not too technical though and easy to make. Plus the parts I made I used the carbon from my scrap pile. On the flip side, the BBC pan is tough to do since there is a radius built in for a seal. I've done it with the 392 hemi oil pan, but its a pain...Theres a reason why nobody had them for the chevy in all carbon, it can only really be done with closed mold techniques. If NHRA approves the use of these I will probably do those.
I'm also doing prepregged mountain bike raised handle bars.....getting the flawes worked out of the production right now though.

[wsuwrhr]

So I am wondering, I HAVE a v-drive finally, I am gathering parts to finish a second motor, and on the list I need something for my oil pump to suck oil from.
So where are you at with these pans?
Brian

[Kurtis500]

So I am wondering, I HAVE a v-drive finally, I am gathering parts to finish a second motor, and on the list I need something for my oil pump to suck oil from.
So where are you at with these pans?
Brian
Wow, this one came up from the past!
I can make one fairly soon if you like.
Heres where they went after the show. MFG wants to colaborate on the design with thier manufacturing to submit to AM General (Humvee/Hummer makers) for OEM accounts on precision engine components. I got a guy who wants me to build a large lot ( cash up front) of valve covers for the V-Tec Honda to ship only oversees. I have ONE oil pan out of my reach. I sold it at the RESP auction here in Phx at the World Finals. Funny thing, it ended up with a guy who had all of JFR sign it later on. Bernie Fedderly and Austin Coil liked it a lot I'm told. So I am contacting them this week to maybe open up some testing on a TFX model.. I already had the 'Trick Tank' team offer to test them. But first, I must finish the most important, my patent on a molding and manufacturing method. Patent will be submitted Wednseday or Thursday. Then I can come up for air. Needless to say I haven't got time to advertise or do a line of products right now.
Aren't you glad you asked?

[wsuwrhr]

Wow, this one came up from the past!
I can make one fairly soon if you like.
Heres where they went after the show. MFG wants to colaborate on the design with thier manufacturing to submit to AM General (Humvee/Hummer makers) for OEM accounts on precision engine components. I got a guy who wants me to build a large lot ( cash up front) of valve covers for the V-Tec Honda to ship only oversees. I have ONE oil pan out of my reach. I sold it at the RESP auction here in Phx at the World Finals. Funny thing, it ended up with a guy who had all of JFR sign it later on. Bernie Fedderly and Austin Coil liked it a lot I'm told. So I am contacting them this week to maybe open up some testing on a TFX model.. I already had the 'Trick Tank' team offer to test them. But first, I must finish the most important, my patent on a molding and manufacturing method. Patent will be submitted Wednseday or Thursday. Then I can come up for air. Needless to say I haven't got time to advertise or do a line of products right now.
Aren't you glad you asked?
Yes Sir.
Yea I had to dig for it, embarassingly enough I couldn't remember your ID to PM you.
Sounds like you are hitting it off with all the right people. Can you afford to sell one to a little guy?
I am interested in a pan, as long as it will work with the motor setup driving from the flywheel. I am trying to line up and INDY MAXX block to go with the top end I already own. What would look nicer underneath it all than a Carbon Fiber oil pan?
PM me how soon, how much.
Brian

[wsuwrhr]

Still drooling over this deal, am I going to grace my alloy block with one of your pans?
I tried to PM you, but I dont think HB pm's are working.
Brian