More LHC B.S.???

[Havasu Cig]

I heard from my neighbor in LHC that the city is trying to pass an ordinance that would make it illegal to park an RV, Boat or trailer within the front setback of a residence overnight. For alot of houses this would include the driveway being that the setback is 25' in the front. If you own a corner lot this would make it 25' on both sides that face a street.
Any other locals here about this?

[Essex502]

I have not heard this but since most of the local are doing this already I can't imagine anyone truly supporting this effort.

[Stealth Marine]

I have not heard this but since most of the local are doing this already I can't imagine anyone truly supporting this effort.
Never forget this is an ELECTION YEAR.
And there are plenty of people in this town running on an ANTI-BOAT platform. And since they are cracking down HARD on home based boat repair shops, it would not surprise me at all that someone is floating an anti-parking ordinance.
Over the next 60 days we will see our population swell by 20,000+ NON-BOATING part-time residents who could care less about ever seeing or hearing a boat in this town.

[Essex502]

These part timers - mainly sno-birds probably aren't registered voters in LHC and can't vote anyway.
If LHC becomes anti-boating that town will dry-up and blow away. Boating brings enormous revenues.
Chris...is there a listing somewhere about the agenda for the council meetings? California has open meeting laws - Brown Act and the Bagley-Keene Act - that govern what local and state level meetings can and can't do. One thing is that the Bagley-Keene Act requires a minimum of 10 days notice with the specific agenda.
I think we all need to get more involved in these kinds of things.

[Havasu_Dreamin]

These part timers - mainly sno-birds probably aren't registered voters in LHC and can't vote anyway.
If LHC becomes anti-boating that town will dry-up and blow away. Boating brings enormous revenues.
Chris...is there a listing somewhere about the agenda for the council meetings? California has open meeting laws - Brown Act and the Bagley-Keene Act - that govern what local and state level meetings can and can't do. One thing is that the Bagley-Keene Act requires a minimum of 10 days notice with the specific agenda.
I think we all need to get more involved in these kinds of things.
I agree. Those of with homes in LHC, but not yet permanent residents need to be just as involved as the full-time residents. Possibly even more so since we can't vote.

[Havasu Cig]

My neighbor builds pools for a living and said that if the California residents stop coming to town and spending money he is finished. He said that the people from California are the only ones that spend real money on their houses out there. He was not to happy about the direction the city was going in being more unfriendly towards boaters. :frown:

[welk2party]

Amazing how quickly a town can forget what got them the growth. Now that they are enjoying growth and revenue they want to bite the hand that feeds them. :umm:

[Havasu_Dreamin]

Amazing how quickly a town can forget what got them the growth. Now that they are enjoying growth and revenue they want to bite the hand that feeds them. :umm:
The town needs more industry and larger businesses to come in that can prop up the wage base before they can tell the tourists to go away.

[Tom Slick]

You gotta love it, a town that was built off of the money brought to them by out of town boaters now wants the boaters to stay out of town. Just think, if the tree hugging idiots get their way, we will some day be taking all of our families to visit the historical Lake Havasu City Ghost Town. Heck, make it ghost town tour and stop by Calico on the way and to round off the trip swing through Lake Mead Dry lake bed.
I'm all for cleaning up some of the goings on in Havasu, but lets not bite the hand that's feeding them.

[bigkatboat]

"Dear Tom", many of us who live in Havasu brought money with us. We got tired of driving to work with a loaded gun on the front seat. I hope that you too can survive the "rat race" and join us in a more 'pleasing' environment very soon. However, in the 'mean' time, try to remember that many of us don't need your "goldcard" money and many of the retired (fixed income) people hate your 'inflation' of local costs. What you consider "nickle- dime" for (A/C) costs, is killing some of our 'retired' people. The 'pool builder' is a perfect example. Many (not all) of the contractors here are unreliable and don't complete their work on time or if at all. They go to "the next job" and if it pays MORE MONEY, then they stay on it. If they signed a 'contract' for a job that made less money, it would get put "OFF", indefinitley. Many (most) want TWICE THE PRICE for work done, just because they are a company that "completes all of their jobs". In otherwords, you must pay double the price to get any work done correctly, or a complete job! You say, "well what about the contractor's board?" They are a F%#@ing joke, and are controled by the contractors and the REALTORS. The realtors are the political force in this town, and not the business owners. Mark this in your palm pilots, before Mr. Mayor (campbell-boy) gets out of office, he will have a "lease/ access" to Campbell cove for a RAMP!!!! He already has a state lease on land that is across the street from Windsor Beach Ramp (and will make a killing on it). This IS A SMALL TOWN, DON"T FORGET IT!!

[bigkatboat]

Post Script! Just remember that my (all of my properties) are being OVER CHARGED taxes so that the city manager can be paid THREE TIMES MORE THAN THE AVERAGE HAVASU WORKER makes, and the roads are so badly in need of repair that the 'rock' that just broke your windshield, has hit mine twice this week! Yet I must endure a "Mayor" and city council that 'takes all it can get', and "visitors" that BITCH about $10.00 launch fees at the marina. The realtors have 'created' a monster, sewers, high comercial rents, overinflated land costs, and 'building restrictions' that would KILL any deal with an experinced developer. It's heaven!....just don't step between the clouds!!!! Tom, what I am trying to say is that, Havasu will turn into a ghost town right after "Slum Dimas" falls into the sea! Also, when I raced at Puddingstone, everyone in YOUR TOWN complained about the noise!!!!!

[Kilrtoy]

That is a great way to turn a thriving town in to a GHOST TOWN

[bigkatboat]

KILLER! did the AID's scare KILL your town? I used to be right across the street from the "studio" where the two girls were killed (Northridge). Even that didn't stop the "movies" did it? Havasu will survive until it falls into the sea. We have people coming from Canada and all over the world, not for the 'thongs', but for a peacefull area. People come here year-round, and they just want to "get away", old and young. Why cann't we divide the 'family' from the 'party' (porno). I love to see the 'ladies', but I know that the kid's don't need that much 'skin', especially in the channel. Have I gotten off the subject, first it's mufflers, then it's 'thongs'!!! Forget the mufflers!!! PS TOM! WHAT TREES??? WHAT HUGGERS!!!!

[shueman]

Don't know for sure, but I've heard that the winter-time visitors actually bring more money to the town that the summer ones....the real concern is losing this valuable tourist base. Guess the summer hi-jinks are causing the winter visitors to opt out for other locales.....

[new F29]

I have heard that Blue hairs bring in more $$$$$$. Can all us h/boaters tone it down just a bit?Kick ass on the lake, slow down in town. When you see the old guys fishin, Don't do a fly by @ 100 plus @ 50ft. Please try to remember there are lots of types that enjoy our lake. Lets keep it cool.Robert :clover:

[Kilrtoy]

KILLER! did the AID's scare KILL your town? I used to be right across the street from the "studio" where the two girls were killed (Northridge). Even that didn't stop the "movies" did it? Havasu will survive until it falls into the sea. We have people coming from Canada and all over the world, not for the 'thongs', but for a peacefull area. People come here year-round, and they just want to "get away", old and young. Why cann't we divide the 'family' from the 'party' (porno). I love to see the 'ladies', but I know that the kid's don't need that much 'skin', especially in the channel. Have I gotten off the subject, first it's mufflers, then it's 'thongs'!!! Forget the mufflers!!! PS TOM! WHAT TREES??? WHAT HUGGERS!!!!
Actually I know some people that are getting out because of that last scare
What studio are you referring to there are so many

[Essex502]

KILLER! did the AID's scare KILL your town? I used to be right across the street from the "studio" where the two girls were killed (Northridge). Even that didn't stop the "movies" did it? Havasu will survive until it falls into the sea. We have people coming from Canada and all over the world, not for the 'thongs', but for a peacefull area. People come here year-round, and they just want to "get away", old and young. Why cann't we divide the 'family' from the 'party' (porno). I love to see the 'ladies', but I know that the kid's don't need that much 'skin', especially in the channel. Have I gotten off the subject, first it's mufflers, then it's 'thongs'!!! Forget the mufflers!!! PS TOM! WHAT TREES??? WHAT HUGGERS!!!!
BKB - tone it down a little, will ya'...I for one and many more on this board may not be Havasu residents but ARE Havasu property owners. I currently own one home and am building another as I speak. I bring quite a bit of money into town as do my fellow California residents who also own property so don't denigrate us. We are polite and shop in your town for furniture, grociers, home supplies, etc. - spending significant money while in and out of town. We pay our property taxes the same as you do though we only use our homes their half or less of the time that you do. Many of us will retire there when our work is down in other states just as you did.
Having said that...who do you think has brought the population to nearly 50K that will qualify Havasu for all kinds of new funding for your infrastructure? The locals born there? Hardly - it's those that move there from out of state including those from California that first came during the summer. I find that the locals are the ones driving erratically and vastly over the speed limit on the local roads - not the CA licensed vehicles. I see the shabby houses with cars parked all over the place that I doubt are the visitors and part time residents who live elsewhere. Those are the ones who should clean up their act before you go off on the California people. I for one don't care about the "thongs" and "pasties" that are prevalent in the channel and the Sandbar or Copper Canyon. When I'm one the lake I prefer the weekdays and quiet coves. Your generalizations only hurt the Havasu locals as we begin to think of you as hicks and bumpkins when you espouse such vitriol.
Yes, there are sometimes displays of wild exuberance but that's the younger crowd. The older crowd have their own faults - the 25 MPH in a 45 MPH zone Mr. Motorhome that acts as they own the roads. The sight challenged that bump and grind their vehicles into each other. The $0.25 tipper at the local restaurants during the "blue light special" happy hour.
This thread was about parking on non-paved areas of one's property or within the setup of the property that includes the driveway. What are your "blue-haired" motorhome owners that can't afford the RV barn gonna' do? Stop coming to town if the townsfolk make them unwelcome in this manner.
Remember...your escalating property value is due to a lot of out of town buyers - not rentals. These buyers include many Californians. Get used to it.

[shueman]

I have a cousin who has been in LHC since McCulloch moved the company there in the 70's. Her husband was an engineer. She says it's just not the same town it "used to be". They are now retired and leave for the summer and travel. They just don't feel safe any longer during the high boating season.
The guy next to our place (it's been in the family for 20 years) was born and raised in LHC, and loved every minute of it. He works for the city police dept and has echo'd much of the same. IT AIN'T WHAT IT USED TO BE. He's seriously thinking about leaving. He's got a family now and is not liking where the city is going.
As for us, alot has changed with respect to the enjoyment we get from going to the lake. It's not peaceful solitude any longer. It's constant "white knuckles" the entire time, especially on the week-ends. The pontoon stays down there, but the jet stays home now, so that we can visit other locales.
I like the Palm Springs analogy, the "party crowd" needs to find another place to play. Give me back my solitude....

[Essex502]

I have a cousin who has been in LHC since McCulloch moved the company there in the 70's. Her husband was an engineer. She says it's just not the same town it "used to be". They are now retired and leave for the summer and travel. They just don't feel safe any longer during the high boating season.
The guy next to our place (it's been in the family for 20 years) was born and raised in LHC, and loved every minute of it. He works for the city police dept and has echo'd much of the same. IT AIN'T WHAT IT USED TO BE. He's seriously thinking about leaving. He's got a family now and is not liking where the city is going.
As for us, alot has changed with respect to the enjoyment we get from going to the lake. It's not peaceful solitude any longer. It's constant "white knuckles" the entire time, especially on the week-ends. The pontoon stays down there, but the jet stays home now, so that we can visit other locales.
I like the Palm Springs analogy, the "party crowd" needs to find another place to play. Give me back my solitude....
Nowhere in this or any other country is "what it used to be". It ain't what it used to be anywhere else either so get used to it. The "party crowd" as you named them are everywhere so what will those folks you mentioned do...run from place to place? Change will occur everywhere - they need to get used to change.

[Havasu_Dreamin]

I have a cousin who has been in LHC since McCulloch moved the company there in the 70's. Her husband was an engineer. She says it's just not the same town it "used to be". They are now retired and leave for the summer and travel. They just don't feel safe any longer during the high boating season.
The guy next to our place (it's been in the family for 20 years) was born and raised in LHC, and loved every minute of it. He works for the city police dept and has echo'd much of the same. IT AIN'T WHAT IT USED TO BE. He's seriously thinking about leaving. He's got a family now and is not liking where the city is going.
As for us, alot has changed with respect to the enjoyment we get from going to the lake. It's not peaceful solitude any longer. It's constant "white knuckles" the entire time, especially on the week-ends. The pontoon stays down there, but the jet stays home now, so that we can visit other locales.
I like the Palm Springs analogy, the "party crowd" needs to find another place to play. Give me back my solitude....
Unfortuantely that is a consequence of the explosive growth that Lake Havasu has seen in recent years. Also, the MTV stuff has not helped either. I for one agree that the locals should not feel beseiged in their own town. Again, unfortunately, when you hae a tourist destination that is what will happen. The tricky part is managing it and not letting everything get so out of control that people no longer want to live there or visit there.
Having said all of that I still feel that the marina is not right in trying to hold boaters to a more resrtictive rule on public property than I cen even be issued a citation for. Also, a business should not, and legally can not, place themselves in the role of law enforcement.

[Scream]

Nowhere in this or any other country is "what it used to be". It ain't what it used to be anywhere else either so get used to it. The "party crowd" as you named them are everywhere so what will those folks you mentioned do...run from place to place? Change will occur everywhere - they need to get used to change.
This is exactly right, there are no such places that haven't changed IMO, I don't think boaters should be blamed for the ills of Havasu, they have greatly impacted the economy of the area in a positive way for many years and hopefully will continue to do so...

[Ion]

...who do you think has brought the population to nearly 50K that will qualify Havasu for all kinds of new funding for your infrastructure? The locals born there? Hardly - it's those that move there from out of state....
Essex et.al...without taking offense at a generalized shot to Havasu locals, unlike certain CA resident posters who slammed me for a post made against a handful of specific CA scumbags, this is the deal: All towns with any sort of appeal evolve as more people discover them. Hell...what was most of the entire state of CA before the goldrush? What do you think brought the population to where it is today, which also qualified CA localities for all kinds of funding for your infrastructure? The locals born there? Hardly - it's those that move there from out of state. Sound familiar?
You go on to write:
"Remember...your escalating property value is due to a lot of out of town buyers - not rentals. These buyers include many Californians. Get used to it."
The same applies to many popular CA towns / cities. It was out-of-town buyers who drove up your real estate values to where they are today. That's just the way things are. And...just like CA cities, the permanent residents here are the ones who make the decisions. Get used to it. Let's face it, Havasu is a beautiful, desireable place and people will always come here, regardless where they have to store their trailers & motorhomes. We don't want our town looking like a truck stop! The opportunist would invest in storage lockers, not gripe about something they can't change!
;)

[Havasu Cig]

Ion,
Your anology is a little off. The majority of the people that I have met that live in Havasu full time are not natives. The vast majority were California residents at one time. Name me one California city that is made up of mostly non natives that drove up real estate prices as you state in your post? I am a fourth generation San Diegan but I bet it would be hard to find that in Havasu. Most of the money in Havasu is coming from California. 75% of the home sales there this past year were to California residents.
All that being said, I don't like what MTV did to the town. I also don't like the dipshits that roll around town and act like they can do whatever they want like there are no rules. I would bet though that the people acting like this are not the people that own homes out there. We are very respectful of the locals when we are out there. We enjoy talking to our neighbors who are full time residents. We just love the town.
Your comments about investing in a storage locker are off point. I have room on my property that I could put my boat, RV or whatever inside my yard behind a wall. The point is that they are proposing a law that says you can't park these vehicles overnight in you front setbeck, which for most would be the driveway. Let's say you come in late and plan on taking the boat out the next day early. This new law would make it illegal for you to leave you RV, Boat ect...parked in your own driveway overnight. Lets say you have some friends staying over that are driving a motorhome. Well the new law would make it illegal for them to park the vehicle in the driveway overnight. What are you going to do have a storage unit rented and on standby just in case the above scenarios present themselves? That is ridiculous. I did not buy a home out there with an HOA for these reasons. I don't want someone telling me I can't park my boat in my own driveway over the weekend.

[Ion]

Ion,
Your anology is a little off. The majority of the people that I have met that live in Havasu full time are not natives. The vast majority were California residents at one time. Name me one California city that is made up of mostly non natives that drove up real estate prices as you state in your post?
Cig...
First off, let me thank you for not reacting by shooting flames & my way & name-calling, like others might have in this situation. It shows class. Re: what CA cities' property values went up as a result of out-of-state investors. Pick any big one. From their inception (pre gold rush) all had to come from other states. That's my point. When someplace new is discovered, that has any appeal at all, people emigrate there and begin to buy the land, thusly increasing it's value.
I did a little research on the subject and as of 1990 census, 25.5% of LA County Californians were born in other states. That number increases steadily when you go back decade, by decade and decreases as time goes on and...this did not account for all the immigrants from Asia, Mexico, etc, who also buy lots of property.
Re: your comment about having friends visiting overnight, parking either trailers or campers in your front yard. You and I both know that's not the focus here. One night, or limited night's visitors would not cause any neighbors to raise a stink. It's the long-term parking of those things that would cause neighbors to be concerned & cause any ordinances to be enforced.

[Havasu_Dreamin]

But if I own my own home and have the space on my property to park whatever it is that I want to park, why should I not be allowed to do so? The town I grew up in So. Cal had an overnight paring ordinance that made it illegal to park on the city streets from 3-5 am. What this ordinance was directed at was the person who leave an old car/boat/rv sitting ont eh street under a tarp for days/months/years. This to me makes sense. But if I own a motorhome and want to park it on my driveway, why shouldn't I be allowed to do so?
I agree with HC, it's the idiots from out of state that think they can go to Havasu and act like they own the place that cause problems.

[Propchecker]

When I was a kid we used to shore start from the beach at the Nautical inn and ski perfect glass in Thompson Bay. 10-12 years ago in the beach town I live in we used to pull up straight on vacant oceanfront lots, park, surf for 3 hours and then rinse off with hose water from the vacation house next door. In the last 20 years or so desireable areas have blown up due to various reasons, but it's sad and true that you can't get caught up on how it was because you can't go back. Havasu locals need to vote and lobby for agenda(s) that are important to them just like we do in our home town. When friends visit us at our place in LHC they park offstreet, but in the setback. I doubt this would ever really be enforced in non HOA situations for short term parking.

[Krumbsnatcher]

Essex et.al...without taking offense at a generalized shot to Havasu locals, unlike certain CA resident posters who slammed me for a post made against a handful of specific CA scumbags, this is the deal: All towns with any sort of appeal evolve as more people discover them. Hell...what was most of the entire state of CA before the goldrush? What do you think brought the population to where it is today, which also qualified CA localities for all kinds of funding for your infrastructure? The locals born there? Hardly - it's those that move there from out of state. Sound familiar?
You go on to write:
"Remember...your escalating property value is due to a lot of out of town buyers - not rentals. These buyers include many Californians. Get used to it."
The same applies to many popular CA towns / cities. It was out-of-town buyers who drove up your real estate values to where they are today. That's just the way things are. And...just like CA cities, the permanent residents here are the ones who make the decisions. Get used to it. Let's face it, Havasu is a beautiful, desireable place and people will always come here, regardless where they have to store their trailers & motorhomes. We don't want our town looking like a truck stop! The opportunist would invest in storage lockers, not gripe about something they can't change!
;)
I would re-think your statements, I know personally 20 people this year that aquired new homes in Havasu and all of them live in Cali.
These homes were cheap in our minds,some would say bargains compared to prices we pay in cali. Every person who bought a home did so because we love havasu and what it offers, excluding the marina.
We are a number and a force in the city and we have plenty of spending cash too.
just .02

[Essex502]

Just for the current residents in Havasu....when we come to live in Havasu in the property we are buying now we will begin to shape local ordinances that are important to US. As the population shifts the new population will have new important items and what you vote today may be overturned tomorrow.
Don't take the above as any kind of threat - it isn't intended to be. It's just a statement of fact that priorities change as the population changes.

[phebus]

If you want to see things how they were, I suggest you go see the movie "Back to the Future" Change is inevitable, shaping it is the responsibility of those concerned about their future.

[Ziggy]

Here I am scratching my head wondering why....I have always noticed its the local LHC residents that park their boats in plain view and not inside the garages or behind the fences as we "out of towners" do with our rigs. We came and bought homes, made sure not to offend locals with "stuff" all over our properties and come and go with respect.
Hmmmmmmmmmm :idea: Seems to me the locals would be doing themselves a great injustice(as in having to clean up their s hit) and helping raise our property values. Its a rare sight to see a Californian have his boat stored out front.
And how would they intend to enforce such an ordinance on a daily basis, not possible.

[ROZ]

Cig...
Re: your comment about having friends visiting overnight, parking either trailers or campers in your front yard. You and I both know that's not the focus here. One night, or limited night's visitors would not cause any neighbors to raise a stink. It's the long-term parking of those things that would cause neighbors to be concerned & cause any ordinances to be enforced.
Apparentyl it seems you are missing his point. He stress is:
The point is that they are proposing a law that says you can't park these vehicles overnight in you front setbeck, which for most would be the driveway. Let's say you come in late and plan on taking the boat out the next day early. This new law would make it illegal for you to leave you RV, Boat ect...parked in your own driveway overnight.
The delicate balance of controlled growth and maintaining the small town feeling is a difficult one, especially that Havasu has become such a popular tourist destination.
BIGKATBOAT, blame the contractors for their greed and not the people who contract their services. If they had more competition, they'd be much mor worried about business..... On another note, blame your city council, city attorney, and the mayor for the wage of your city manager. What is the average income of a LHC worker, 25-30k if you're lucky? 90K seems fair to me. Do you know the going rate for a city manager or even what the job entails? I know that our city manager makes about 20k more than that for close to the same amount of residents. Consider that the difference in the cost of living. Another thing is that you hope to get what you pay for.
I'm sure when you moved there, some of the residents already saying that Havasu had gone to the dogs... Now it's your turn to say the same thing...
Good luck to Campbell Boy, maybe a little competition will help take the weight off the other guys....

[ROZ]

Here I am scratching my head wondering why....I have always noticed its the local LHC residents that park their boats in plain view and not inside the garages or behind the fences as we "out of towners" do with our rigs. We came and bought homes, made sure not to offend locals with "stuff" all over our properties and come and go with respect.
Hmmmmmmmmmm :idea: Seems to me the locals would be doing themselves a great injustice(as in having to clean up their s hit) and helping raise our property values. Its a rare sight to see a Californian have his boat stored out front.
And how would they intend to enforce such an ordinance on a daily basis, not possible. I was just thinking the same thing.... The out of towners I know only buy or build with boat deep and rv garages so they don't have to worry about the Havasu crack posse taking their sheit...

[bigkatboat]

I didn't move here to change anything about this place. I only brought up a few ideas that came to mind. I feel that the town is being "guided" by the realtors and so follow the contractors, and so on... A new law on the 'books' that prohibits parking of RV's, boats etc., only enforces my opinion about the realtors. Who owns and or will make money from sales of raw land zoned for STORAGE UNITS? "Sig" you do have some good points, but I don't think MTV was all the 'bad things' everyone 'talked about'. "Roz", I do blame people like the mayor, who is trying to get "all he can" (state land leases...) while he is in office. His actions, votes for more spending, and delaying votes so that he can get an "inside deal" for himself with every developer that comes along show that he cares nothing for this town and it's people. I don't agree that Havasu is 'mostly California money', it flows up and down durring the seasons. I've gone into parking lots and thought I was in Idaho! Other times it might be Oregon. They are all Americans and have the right to 'buy in' just like I did (and you). I had tried to move to Havasu for many years and finally I just could not take any more of my home town in California. I should have moved here 20 years ago, maybe I would be the 'badguy' trying to run the town, and making big money off of the sweat of others, with no regard for anyone but myself. I know I'm not perfect, but I'm happy to be here. :rollside:

[shueman]

We love Havasu....lots of beautiful homes....and a few junk collectors as well. I believe the city wants to "clean up" a little...a setback ordinance would help the cause..."out of sight, out of mind".
Of course, some like having a busted jetski or flat-tire plymouth laying around in their front yard...!!

[WaterBox]

Here I am scratching my head wondering why....I have always noticed its the local LHC residents that park their boats in plain view and not inside the garages or behind the fences as we "out of towners" do with our rigs. We came and bought homes, made sure not to offend locals with "stuff" all over our properties and come and go with respect.
Hmmmmmmmmmm :idea: Seems to me the locals would be doing themselves a great injustice(as in having to clean up their s hit) and helping raise our property values. Its a rare sight to see a Californian have his boat stored out front.
And how would they intend to enforce such an ordinance on a daily basis, not possible.
I agree, One should keep there stuff cleaned up, I think one reason you see LHC residents leave there stuff in plain view is they are comfortable doing so, And are 99% sure it will be there in the morning, complete, and not vandalized. Can you do that in Cali. :idea:

[Havasu_Dreamin]

I agree, One should keep there stuff cleaned up, I think one reason you see LHC residents leave there stuff in plain view is they are comfortable doing so, And are 99% sure it will be there in the morning, complete, and not vandalized. Can you do that in Cali. :idea:
And that is fine. If the residents like doing that then why is this ordinance even being considered by the City Council?

[prosthogod]

Since we have been renting or staying at friends houses over the summer, leaving our boat and truck out front, we've had the air let out of the tires, rocked through the gel coat and gatorade sprayed all over it. Luckily our house/garage should be done for the spring time. My point is "the Locals" are the ones doing the vandalism(because we witnessed it). Is this the way the locals want to be portrayed. The only reason some of these locals have the money to sell out and move, is because of money brought in and driving the values up. So I say good, leave, maybe we are better of without you.

[WaterBox]

Since we have been renting or staying at friends houses over the summer, leaving our boat and truck out front, we've had the air let out of the tires, rocked through the gel coat and gatorade sprayed all over it. Luckily our house/garage should be done for the spring time. My point is "the Locals" are the ones doing the vandalism(because we witnessed it). Is this the way the locals want to be portrayed. The only reason some of these locals have the money to sell out and move, is because of money brought in and driving the values up. So I say good, leave, maybe we are better of without you.
Sorry to hear that you was amoung that 1% Your lucky it was gatorade you got sprayed with and not paint. And if you witnessed it I hope you KICKED some ASS. [ If they are locals, How long have they lived here and where did they come from?]

[ROZ]

Doesn't the city or county already have basic regulations? In our area the city/county says a recreational vehicle can sit in the street for 3 days in the same spot before being cited....

[Ion]

I would re-think your statements, I know personally 20 people this year that aquired new homes in Havasu and all of them live in Cali...
...We are a number and a force in the city and we have plenty of spending cash too.
just .02
What on earth are you responding to?!?!?
Read the quote you inserted in your post, then tell me how in god's name, what you posted, relates to it. Why don't you, with plenty of spending cash, read the post before making an irrelevant response?!?!?
Once you do, you will quickly discover that I never disputed the point that Californians comprise a substantial percentage of those who buy property here, and furthermore, and more relevantly, I returned to, and addressed the original focus of this thread (possible restrictions to parking shit on setbacks in town). After you realize this, you will see that it is you who should rethink your statement. If you feel the need to inform us that you have "plenty of spending cash" and are a "number and a force in the city" (albeit, one who has no vote), kudos to you...start a new thread.

[Essex502]

Doesn't the city or county already have basic regulations? In our area the city/county says a recreational vehicle can sit in the street for 3 days in the same spot before being cited....
It doesn't appear to from all of the crap I see laying around in people's "yards" and vehicles parked on streets. We're there every other weekend all year long - summer, winter, fall and spring and we've seen a lot of LHC shopping for more property. Many. many folks don't seem to give a rat's ass about what their property looks like from their neighbors property or the street. I'll take pictures next time out and post a few examples.
Living an a planned community like I do here in CA subject to strict CC&R's where I can't park ANY kind of recreational vehicle on my own property unless it is COMPLETELY out of sight from the street or any neighbor makes me look around a neighborhood I visit. We can only park our boat or motorhome on our street for a maximum of 4 hours to load or unload only. No washing it, working on it - load and unload only. Very strict. Not that I would ever advocate this in LHC but the locals that don't take personal pride in the property runs down the entire area.

[Ion]

It doesn't appear to from all of the crap I see laying around in people's "yards" and vehicles parked on streets. We're there every other weekend all year long - summer, winter, fall and spring and we've seen a lot of LHC shopping for more property. Many. many folks don't seem to give a rat's ass about what their property looks like from their neighbors property or the street. I'll take pictures next time out and post a few examples. ...the locals that don't take personal pride in the property runs down the entire area.
There are areas in town, like my golfcourse community, where there are regulations re: leaving crap visible in your front yard. Unfortunately, the areas of town where many cali's buy, where you can still get a lot & a house for a little more than $200k, aren't in these areas. These areas are commonly a mix of old & new. Unfortunately, it's some of the old house owners / renters who don't seem to give a rat's ass (a fav. expression of mine), or even understand that leaving crap in the their front yard is an eyesore, that drives property values down. I'm sure many of you cali's who live in close proximity to Compton, or any other less-than-desireable neighborhoods, can relate.

[WaterBox]

And that is fine. If the residents like doing that then why is this ordinance even being considered by the City Council?
I think it's like anywhere else, You always have people that are Pigs and abuse there right's. There yards look like S#*T, old cars, trucks, trailers full of crap, or what ever it may be, After a while the neighbors get tired of looking at it and start complaining, So in instead of the city councel dealing with each individual case they figure it would be easier just to make a new law, and let the enforcement people deal with it. [ Typical of Dysfunctional City Hall]

[Essex502]

There are areas in town, like my golfcourse community, where there are regulations re: leaving crap visible in your front yard. Unfortunately, the areas of town where many cali's buy, where you can still get a lot & a house for a little more than $200k, aren't in these areas. These areas are commonly a mix of old & new. Unfortunately, it's some of the old house owners / renters who don't seem to give a rat's ass (a fav. expression of mine), or even understand that leaving crap in the their front yard is an eyesore, that drives property values down. I'm sure many of you cali's who live in close proximity to Compton, or any other less-than-desireable neighborhoods, can relate.
Hey...I grew up in Compton and Lynwood, amigo so watch you mouth! :D
The less than desirable sloppy home are strewn throughout Havasu. No certain areas but there are some areas like the Refuge where the rules are in effect.
For the record...in Valencia, CA most of the developments hve strict CC&R's. Both of my homes (1 built and one under construction) are on the south end of town behind the new Basha's and I see the overgrown weeds in some of the neighbors...luckily none on either street.

[AZKC]

We love Havasu....lots of beautiful homes....and a few junk collectors as well. I believe the city wants to "clean up" a little...a setback ordinance would help the cause..."out of sight, out of mind".
Of course, some like having a busted jetski or flat-tire plymouth laying around in their front yard...!!
Yeah when were you by my house :eek: And its not a Plymouth its a Mazda :hammerhea :wink:

[shueman]

Yeah when were you by my house :eek: And its not a Plymouth its a Mazda :hammerhea :wink:
...Too funny Kev...!!!! :D :smile:

[BIGTYME]

REALTORS driving the prices up??
You are so clueless it's not even funny.
So your saying that a realtor can walk in to a home and the seller says " I would like to sell my home for 250,000" and the realtor says" Well we run this town so were gonna sell this home for 550,000"
I think you are blaming all the wrong people.
HOMES SELL FOR WHAT PEOPLE WILL BUY THEM FOR! Ever heard of supply and demand?
REALTORS are NOT the root of any of Lake Havasu's problems.