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Debbolas
09-30-2004, 05:19 PM
Who do you think is winning.
I REALLY like GW's style. Very ernest, down to earth.
Kerry is coming off like a pompus jerk.
(we rushed to war in Iraq? Give me a break!)

essexjet
09-30-2004, 05:25 PM
I agree deb! Kerry is not answering questions!

Scream
09-30-2004, 05:27 PM
GW's doin a great job and stickin to the topic. Kerry's focusing on the tax cut and how it's hurt homeland security...BS

Debbolas
09-30-2004, 05:29 PM
He keeps bringing up how our troops are poorly equiped.....Then all Bush does is smile and say, YOU voted against the measure to support them, then changed your mind and said you voted for it! LOL :2purples:
Now he is bringing up HIS WAR RECORD????
Who advises this guy?
OMG :rolleyes:
Why does Kerry look orange? :confused:

dwci97
09-30-2004, 05:33 PM
Kerry has flop flopped 5 times already...does anyone know where this guys stands on any of the issues? What an idiot...Now he is talking about Haliburton oh jeez liberal MORON>

Debbolas
09-30-2004, 05:33 PM
NOW Kerry is saying that Bush pushed our allies away instead of asking them for help
HELLO!!
We asked them, and Britain and Poland answered us with support.
:argue:

Rexone
09-30-2004, 05:33 PM
Kerry is coming off like a pompus jerk.
Hmmmm imagine that. :rollside:

Scream
09-30-2004, 05:35 PM
He's orange because he's been using that chemical tanning lotion, until he ran out and now he just uses Ketchup...

Debbolas
09-30-2004, 05:43 PM
He's orange because he's been using that chemical tanning lotion, until he ran out and now he just uses Ketchup...
LOL :D
I'm pretty sure we could wave something shiny in front of Kerry to distract him, oh, wait, he is already distracted.............. ;)
How many times has Kerry changed his position?
:hammer2:

OutCole'd
09-30-2004, 05:59 PM
GW has some huge friggen ears.

WILDERTHANU
09-30-2004, 06:01 PM
SUPPORT YOUR PRESIDENT...GO G.W.!!!! :hammer2:
http://www.visitingdc.com/images/george_bush.jpg
http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/afp/20040916/capt.sge.jyl64.160904084345.photo01.default-384x280.jpg

OutCole'd
09-30-2004, 06:01 PM
BETTER TO HEAR WITH :idea: KERRY HAS BIG HAIR :(
And a huge chin.

H20Advantage
09-30-2004, 06:09 PM
Kerry makes my head hurt. :(

OutCole'd
09-30-2004, 06:11 PM
I want to see Kerry slam the pedestal yelling like Herman Munster I WON'T, I WON'T, I WON'T

Debbolas
09-30-2004, 06:13 PM
OMG, I'm kinda feeling sorry for Kerry at this point.
He keeps contradicting himself.
LIKE asking the nations to "help" one more time would have made Iraq a safer place.
:rolleyes:
PLEASE.....
He keeps saying we should have asked for more help (we did) and then blasting us for not being in enough countries "helping" out. and then blasing Bush for spreading the military so thin...............
PICK A POINT,
JUST PICK ONE, AND STICK WITH IT!!!:rolleyes:

Rexone
09-30-2004, 06:23 PM
and then blasing Bush for spreading the military so thin...............
and I wonder why the military is so thin....
kerry and his democratic brothers have voted against every defense expediture they could over the past decade and cut the military to what IMO is a dangerously low point. while at the same time spending billions to support illegal imagrints here illegal milking our system, crowding our schools and causing our hosptials to go bankrupt.
examine kerrys voting record on military expenditures. It is self explanitory why our military is stretched.

H20Advantage
09-30-2004, 06:27 PM
Notice how Kerry keeps throwing out his war record and how he was with or talking to someone of some importance. He doesn't have a plan he has everyone else's.
The problem is he doesn't know which plan to stick with. :hammerhea

Debbolas
09-30-2004, 06:29 PM
I'm curious to see how the media will spin this........Fox vs CNN. :rollside:
It seems clear to me, who I want to vote for and who has a strong, stable, position....but I'm wondering how they will spin it. :rollside:
The sad thing is some folk wait for the newscasters to tell them how to think about something instead of thinking for themselves. :frown:

OutCole'd
09-30-2004, 06:34 PM
I liked the way they kept it civil. I do not feel there was any serious bashing going on.

Debbolas
09-30-2004, 06:40 PM
ok, CNN said Kerry really made a "connection" with the American People
and Fox said Kerry flip-flopped all over the place
CNN said Kerry "looked" Presidential
Fox said Bush did well
:D

Rexone
09-30-2004, 06:43 PM
Notice how Kerry keeps throwing out his war record and how he was with or talking to someone of some importance. He doesn't have a plan he has everyone else's.
The problem is he doesn't know which plan to stick with. :hammerhea
Most people that "name drop" do so from the need to feel important and from a feeling of insecurity in themselves and their own presence or stance on issues. Kerry name dropped in several examples he used.
I also noticed that Kerry stumbled about a bit when he was listing off the stuff "I believe this I believe that" deal at the end. That tells me he believes only what his speechwriter told him to believe. I sincerely hope people don't get duped by this weak suck candidate and the media.

bigq
09-30-2004, 06:50 PM
Well i thought Kerry did better than people thought. It was funny he would start off a sentence like "I will tell you what I will do , but first let me say" then go off how Bush screwed up and never answer the question. :rollside:
but I think Bush step on his dick a couple times. I thought it looked like he lost his train of thought some times, but his message is pretty clear isn't it.

1978 Rogers
09-30-2004, 06:50 PM
I think the questions they asked are pretty predictable. I feel Bush should have answered better. I'm pro Bush, but I wasn't too impressed. His answers to the questions were the same as what he' already said. He didn't really add anything new. I hoping for a better Bush next week. Cheney & Edwards should be good. I expect Cheney to start yelling making Edwards run off the stage crying.

Debbolas
09-30-2004, 07:03 PM
Wow, were these folk on TV watching the same debate I did?
They are all saying how well Kerry did....OMG :confused:

Rexone
09-30-2004, 07:09 PM
Wow, were these folk on TV watching the same debate I did?
They are all saying how well Kerry did....OMG :confused:
The media will spin it to their desire and interview folks that likely match that view. I don't even watch the shit. I don't think either did a stellar job but Kerry said nothing to change my view that he's a weak suck wannabe that just stands for the flavor of the week whatever that might be.
and we haven't even got to his ambulance chasing vp yet. :rolleyes:

1978 Rogers
09-30-2004, 07:12 PM
Wow, were these folk on TV watching the same debate I did?
They are all saying how well Kerry did....OMG :confused:
I watched the first half then got board and walked the dog aroung the block. I think Bush should have done a better job.

bordsmnj
09-30-2004, 07:12 PM
i'm discusted by the whole thing. Kerry will suck any penis he has to to be pres. I've spent enought time in the 45% tax bracket to be very affriad of sociolist fags like Kerry. I can't believe he waste perfectly good ketchup!

Debbolas
09-30-2004, 07:12 PM
I know, but I have to watch it because I don't want to be one of those people that just watches and reads things that agree with their opinion.
(although, it does seem like I am doing that lately) :confused:
I just hope everyone makes their own decision. Do you know that my Classified Employees Union actually sends me a ballot with all the choices marked for me. AS IF I would vote the way they tell me? :rolleyes:
That is so wrong and REALLY makes me angry :yuk:

1978 Rogers
09-30-2004, 07:15 PM
The media will spin it to their desire and interview folks that likely match that view. I don't even watch the shit. I don't think either did a stellar job but Kerry said nothing to change my view that he's a weak suck wannabe that just stands for the flavor of the week whatever that might be.
and we haven't even got to his ambulance chasing vp yet. :rolleyes:
I'm with you here. When Kerry talked about adding 2 more, I think divisions. I thought, holy crap, where is that money going to come from. I'm with Bush about redeploying the boy from Europe and S. Korea. Bring them back home. Think on all those dollars spent at home instead of in other countries.

bordsmnj
09-30-2004, 07:16 PM
yeah, my union local suposedly suports kerry and sends me some pretty funny pro-kerry shit in the mail(why mince words it is what it is) and actually conned a couple guys(ok,one guy) i know into think ing that the union is doomed unless kerry wins. they don't see the bigger picture.

Back Forty
09-30-2004, 07:36 PM
Amazing.
I think it wasn't a debate.
Kerry never answered any of the questions. Instead he would get started on a answer and immeadiately get lost on a tangent focused on attacking Bush :confused: Kerry's only consistancy was that he was not answering any of the questions and simply attacking Bush. I was not impressed.
Bush had nothing to debate other than the fact that Kerry was flat out spewing crap. I think Bush was prepared for a debate but instead looked very weak because the only thing to respond to was the unintact rambling of Kerry's upside down attacks... :mad: :sleeping:
I expected much more. It was like watching a professional try to respond to a 10 year old calling him a poopy pants... :notam:
Anybody notice that ketchup lady looked to be on another planet. stoned or boozed..? I say something other than booze.

God
09-30-2004, 08:52 PM
For the debate (or anything else) to be effective... it must be approached with an open mind. Most opinions represented here were predisposed weeks, maybe months ago? Many of your responses were blatantly pre planned and offensively linear. And to think I gave you minds? You have made me mad so...Kerry wins!!! Start writing those tax increase checks before you piss me off again. Have a nice day.
Me bless.

OGShocker
09-30-2004, 09:14 PM
I think it was a push. Kerry hit his points as did GW. Will see next week when the polls come out...
:clover: GWB :clover:

Steve 1
09-30-2004, 09:35 PM
Kerry had his usual lies and some added zingers.
The flip on saddam was what I expected. Then the psycho wanted to give Iran Nuclear fuel... That should go over big with our allies the Jews they will be smoking by now , then the price of the war lie ,the waffle when caught on saying Bush was lying to us,,
Wait until tomorrow this needs some time to sink in! This elitist Bastard I really do not like that approach.

XtrmWakeborder
09-30-2004, 11:42 PM
I'm very pro- Bush but i have to say he deffinately proved he is not a great speaker....Kerry even though he was on tangent attacking Bush instead of answering the question spoke pretty well which to me made Bush seem weak and confused at times. Bush seemed slow on the rebuttles (sp). The main reason i will always vote for a guy like Bush is because actions speak louder than words, and he is acting on this situation.

v-drive
10-01-2004, 02:43 AM
Kerry is the better speaker but do you believe him? The guy fabricates things for his own good. He has even admitted that when he testified to congress about vietnam that alot of it was for him to gain ground politically.
He's a liar and a cheat. I know most of us agree that Bush is best suited for the job but for those of you that don't, well i'll just say i'm sorry for you.
v-drive

AZKC
10-01-2004, 06:23 AM
Who Won???
Lookin Good!!! (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6123733/?GT1=5100)
:argue:
:) :wink:

RandyH
10-01-2004, 06:34 AM
Its easy to attack a sitting president during war time. Kerry is a polished senator who can debate. He has some juicy zingers, yes. Does he swing my vote. No way in hell. Bush was honest and has good people around him.
RandyH

eliminatedsprinter
10-01-2004, 07:32 AM
If I look at it objectively, I'd say Kerry made the better showing and helped his case more than Bush helped his. But then again, I'm voting agianst Kerry 99% because of his authoritarian/socialistic, pro high taxes, etc domestic policies. The idea of having the nations worst eco-extremists back in charge of the EPA gives me the shudders...

Dave C
10-01-2004, 07:36 AM
Kerry may be a better speaker... but everything coming out of his mouth is B.S. so its moot.
Kerry bashed Bush then said he could do a better job on every issue. How is he going to do better? What positions did Kerry take? NONE.
Food for thought:
1) Bush rushing off to war?.... we spent 10 months prior to the war PLUS 8 years kissing the U.N.'s butt and got no where. All while Saddam continued to thumb his nose at the U.N.
2) Bring in a wider coalition?.... same problem... who are we talking about? 2 countries. We kissed France and Germanys behind and that got us no where because they ain't coming anyway. Plus the U.N is a failure at peacekeeping anyway.
3) Isn't it ironic after bashing Bush for months on the WMD issue that Kerry states that his single most important foreign issue is "nuclear proliferation"
4) North Korea.... they will tell us to f-off WITHOUT China's help. We should be negotiating with China because China runs the show over there and pulls N Korea's strings (as Bush said)
5) Kerry calling the war in Iraq a "mistake" is a VERY DISREPECTFUL to the fallen soldiers families. He is saying that their sons died for nothing. Thats not a leader!

Jeanyus
10-01-2004, 07:37 AM
Bush gets my vote, but I think Kerry did better than expected, he is a lawyer and they are silver tounged devils. He probably swayed a few dumb people.
I just hope the smart peopls show up and vote.
I did start gaging at the end when Kerry kissed that sea hag Teresa, my steak started coming up. How come steak tastes terrible the second time?

Rexone
10-01-2004, 07:50 AM
Kerry is the better speaker but do you believe him? The guy fabricates things for his own good. He has even admitted that when he testified to congress about vietnam that alot of it was for him to gain ground politically.
He's a liar and a cheat. I know most of us agree that Bush is best suited for the job but for those of you that don't, well i'll just say i'm sorry for you.
v-drive
Exactly...
Just like Clinton. Eloquent speaker. Problem is most of it was bullshit and pie in the sky. I will take a bumbling bush over and eloquant bs artist/lawyer every time. Even though Kerry's speech was somewhat eloquent and polished, he said nothing of substance as to just how he would correct or change any of the things he bashed bush for doing wrong. If I am elected I will do this, I will do that, bs is all I heard him say. I was looking for the "how's" and got zero. All talk, no substance IMO.
Again all you have to do is look at Kerry's voting record for 20 years in the senate to know what to expect from him.

eliminatedsprinter
10-01-2004, 08:08 AM
Exactly...
Just like Clinton. Eloquent speaker. Problem is most of it was bullshit and pie in the sky. I will take a bumbling bush over and eloquant bs artist/lawyer every time. Even though Kerry's speech was somewhat eloquent and polished, he said nothing of substance as to just how he would correct or change any of the things he bashed bush for doing wrong. If I am elected I will do this, I will do that, bs is all I heard him say. I was looking for the "how's" and got zero. All talk, no substance IMO.
Again all you have to do is look at Kerry's voting record for 20 years in the senate to know what to expect from him.
Well said.
Actions speak louder than words and Kerry has a long track record of being in the far left wing of his party. Unfortunatly, far too many people don't follow politics closely enough to know this and thus are vulnerable to slick talk. Also the Bush campain has done a pathetic job of revealing his record and has instead relied on using catch phrases like "flip flop" when they should be hammering him for his extremist voting history in congress...

Irishluck
10-01-2004, 08:11 AM
Watching Kerry speak made me want to vomit. The press is saying how wondeful he did but all I watched him do is bash Bush and flip flop. This guy is so arrogant and dangerous that I wonder if the press told the truth about him what his supporters would be saying. Bush needs to hold his own remain calm, stick to his points and hopefully he will be relected.

Rexone
10-01-2004, 08:14 AM
Also the Bush campain has done a pathetic job of revealing his record and has instead relied on using catch phrases like "flip flop" when they should be hammering him for extremist voting history in congress...
Hopefully they will bring that out in the coming weeks. Kerrys record is probably the most revealing thing about him to know what he's gonna do if he's elected.
I agree the bush guys need to ditch the catch phrase mentality. Flip Flop, and "shock and awe" get old and need to go back in the closet and stay there. The whole "shock and awe" thing when the war started was a horrible PR mistake IMO. It gave people the impression on TV that the war would be over in a few hours and all the bad guys would be dead as a result of our overwhelming firepower. Bad move at that time IMO.

Back Forty
10-01-2004, 08:20 AM
I can't believe all of this "kerry was better" stuff.
Kerry wasn't even at a debate.
Bush was having to respond to something outside of the so called debate.
The structure is that a question is asked by the moderator, one of two is to answer, then comments and rebutals.
What debate did some of these people watch?
If Shit talking and attacks equal a debate, I must live on Mars. :rolleyes:
Last night was a joke. Bush sucked because he wasn't ready to deal with an total idiot like Kerry which was dissapointing. Kerry, a guy that couldn't even complete an answer. Instead he would throw gobs of "all over the place" attacks at Bush. WTF..?
Debate...? Hardly.
I'll be watching the next "debate." If Bush can't be prepared for this idiot, I 'll leave it at that. I highly doubt that kerry has the ability to be legit. The format will probably be the same. I can't figure out how anybody could listen to Kerry and think he has his shit together..? The guy is all over the place. There is no structure to the guy. Last night was a total joke.
He has no respect for anybody including himself.
His wife even looks like a zoned out ass.
I have never heard anybody generalize so much as Kerry. Out of his hole spew's noise but what does it mean..? How do you respond to that crap?
I wasn't surprised that bush had a stupid look on his face after each time Kerry spoke.
Listening to Kerry last night was like listening to a backyard mutt bark all night. You can't figure out what the fu*k the mutt is trying to say. Whats more, who cares after it becomes so annoying that you go for the scatter gun.
:coffeycup

572Daytona
10-01-2004, 08:27 AM
I agree, I only watched a little bit of it but I didn't really hear Kerry provide answers to any of the questions. All he did was use his speaking time to criticize Bush. I would have thought it would be the moderators job to keep him on topic to the question?

Rexone
10-01-2004, 08:48 AM
I think the moderator did a horrible job and basically let Kerry run amuck off topic with his "irrelevent to the question" bush bashing. All he did basically was ask the questions and hope for the best. Several times Kerry returned to the topic of the prior question to bash some more and the mod did nothing to stop it. That part was bogus. Why have a moderator if that's the case?

Irishluck
10-01-2004, 09:10 AM
Ya the moderator did a horrible job and let the arrogant kerry run his mouth. The whole time I watched, my blood pressure went up because I wanted to kick the living shit out of kerry.That guy didn't answer one question and was all over the place, Bush could of capitlize but he looked pissed and frustrated because he keep defending himself.

Dave C
10-01-2004, 09:33 AM
you guys know that the moderator is ol' Jim Liar....errrr I mean Leherer and is a big lib from way back. He's on PBS.:hammer2:

Dave C
10-01-2004, 09:43 AM
uhhhhh..... ditto...... :D
backyard mutt.... thats funny!!!!!
I can't believe all of this "kerry was better" stuff.
Kerry wasn't even at a debate.
Bush was having to respond to something outside of the so called debate.
The structure is that a question is asked by the moderator, one of two is to answer, then comments and rebutals.
What debate did some of these people watch?
If Shit talking and attacks equal a debate, I must live on Mars. :rolleyes:
Last night was a joke. Bush sucked because he wasn't ready to deal with an total idiot like Kerry which was dissapointing. Kerry, a guy that couldn't even complete an answer. Instead he would throw gobs of "all over the place" attacks at Bush. WTF..?
Debate...? Hardly.
I'll be watching the next "debate." If Bush can't be prepared for this idiot, I 'll leave it at that. I highly doubt that kerry has the ability to be legit. The format will probably be the same. I can't figure out how anybody could listen to Kerry and think he has his shit together..? The guy is all over the place. There is no structure to the guy. Last night was a total joke.
He has no respect for anybody including himself.
His wife even looks like a zoned out ass.
I have never heard anybody generalize so much as Kerry. Out of his hole spew's noise but what does it mean..? How do you respond to that crap?
I wasn't surprised that bush had a stupid look on his face after each time Kerry spoke.
Listening to Kerry last night was like listening to a backyard mutt bark all night. You can't figure out what the fu*k the mutt is trying to say. Whats more, who cares after it becomes so annoying that you go for the scatter gun.
:coffeycup

eliminatedsprinter
10-01-2004, 09:50 AM
Don't blame the moderator (even if he is a leftist hack from way way back).
It wasn't really a debate at all. If you look at the rules you will see it was not intended to be anything more than a joint appearance.

kahanamoko
10-01-2004, 09:53 AM
Iraq a necessary war? Please. I am in the military now and will likely be there in the near future. Were they oppressed by a brutal dictator? Absolutely. The same could be said for the Sudan, North Korea, Iran, Indonesia, Brunei, Libya, and half of the other freakin' countries in the world. Let alone the people of our alleged "allies" Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, etc. where women are treated as second class citizens. I'd might be able to respect Bush if he spoke truthfully about his real desire to be in Iraq. Oil. It's in our national interest and I understand that. This bullshit about terrorists in Iraq? Please. The only reason Zaraqawi and the rest are there now is because of the fact that our soldiers present an easy target for them. They hate us anyway and here we are in the middle east trying to assert our sense of right and wrong, democracy, economics, etc. on them. Any reasonable historian will tell you that despite the best efforts of our great troops in Iraq in attempting to establish order out of the chaos that currently exists, no prior attempt to establish western democracy and especially western economics has ever succeeded in the middle east. Of course, nobody would expect "GW" to understand a single ****ing thing about history because that would make his puny little brain hurt too much. My god, didn't everyone watching that debate realize how much he's over his head with his job. The Peter Principle has it's poster child. GW Bush. Oh, I forgot, last night he told us, "I KNOW how the world works." What an ego. I doubt any reasonable person would have made that stupid statement. How about, "I can assure you that with the advice of many of the most educated people in the world, I believe I can say that this administration has a deep understanding of what is needed by this country to secure the peace in Iraq and to make this world and especially the American people a safer place"? No, it's "I KNOW how the world works." I feel so much better.

kahanamoko
10-01-2004, 10:11 AM
Apparently, you geniuses know more than all of the credible political analysts and most of the general public that watched the debate. I'm not a Kerry supporter but voting for Bush is clearly not an option. What a dunce! I hate to attack those on this site or anywhere else and I certainly don't think of myself as "superior" to others on an intellectual basis but as a voter I have to trust that the people I vote for have some ability to comprehend rudimentary historical facts, military capabilities, economic functions, etc. Anybody who doesn't see that Bush is dumb is either voting Republican because that's just how they vote (dumb) or they are themselves too stupid to see how stupid the current president really is. Bush Senior was smart. Didn't agree with his politics but he wasn't dumb. Reagan was way, way, way out of his element but at least you can credit him with being able to motivate people (I mean, he was the "Gipper" in a movie and all). Who cares if he presided over the biggest increase in the national debt in history? I mean, he did single-handedly topple the Soviets, right? I mean, it couldn't have possibly been the prior 70 years of fighting against the Soviets, right? It couldn't have been (as Reagan himself pointed out) that the communist system will always eventually fail and implode, right? It was Ronnie Ray Gun, our hero!
If the Republicans could just talk straight and stop trying to tell us what they think we want to hear while they continue their big ripoff of the american economy for the benefit of their rich friends I would truly appreciate it.

Froggystyle
10-01-2004, 10:20 AM
DANGER!!! Long post imminent...
That was horrible. Without going into the debate itself, I want to suggest a new tactic for GW, and I want you all to tell me if I am all wet.
How does this sound.
"You have all heard the sound bites. You all know where I stand because of actions and events that have taken place in our nation since I have been elected president. There are few mysteries as to what I wish to accomplish in the next four years, I have been clear and transparent regarding them.
You all know the history of my opponents voting record. This is a testamony to the way he acts, not the way he talks. Use his recorded actions as your guide to what you can expect from him. I choose not to criticise these actions, I leave it to him to defend them.
My focus is on Americans, and on keeping them safe. The fact is, while an incumbent first term president hopes for re-election in the next round, they can not count on it. I learned this firsthand through my father, who started many programs, waited many things out expecting to have another four years to be patient and complete them. The fact is, America is divided politically, and not only is it possible to have a sitting president replaced, but the nature of the two party system dictates that he would be replaced by someone of drastically different values and core principles than himself.
We were attacked September 11. My tenure as your president changed immediately. After 13 years of UN sanctions on Iraq, and after 16 UN resolutions on Iraq, I felt that the diplomatic avenues had been well tried, and had to that point failed. Iraq was viewed by everyone on this podium at the time as a serious threat, as other countries are today. Hindsight is always 20/20, but inaction is always 100% ineffective.
When we were visciously attacked, I had to evaluate what I could do to make sure this never happened again. I tasked myself with removing every threat possible during my guaranteed three further years in office. It is one of the reasons I proceeded so vigorously towards resolution. It is a reason I acted with conviction. I am only able to act on my convictions if I am in a position to do so, and as the President of the United States, I was. I have used my four years to make America and the world a safer place. I have rid two countries of dictators and oppressive regimes, and we have killed or otherwise dealt with thousands of people who outwardly wish harm to Americans both here and abroad. I doubt highly, if you look at my opponents record, that he would have so effectively attacked the enemies of America abroad, or properly equipped our soldiers to defend within our own borders. The Patriot act, while unpopular is very neccessary. If you are opposed to it, ask yourself why? Are you doing things that would affect the safety of Americans? Are you funding terrorists? Are you contributing to the intelligence of Al Quaeda? If not, the Patriot act does not affect you. If you are, we stand a far better chance of catching you before you do more harm. We are in a war, and we need to act like it.
It is easy to criticise people of action. They do things that open themselves up to criticizm. That I have erred is a matter of public record. That our intelligence, our countries best information was inaccurate is a matter of public record, but the 9/11 committies have been ongoing for years now trying to bring any oversights to light, and trying desparately to cast blame on people sworn to defend our country. To not act on the intelligence we were looking at would have caused criticism, to act on it has caused criticism. I acted the way I did because of my committment to America's security, my core values and my belief that America's security is more important than weathering criticism from abroad, from governments who do not share our values, or from people at home, who are derisive in nature and would criticise anyway. The president of America needs to do what they believe is right, not what the special interest minority screams is. And Americans should demand that quality.
My opponent is non-committal and inconsistent. That is because so is the nature of polling. What is popular this week is not the next. If you try to do what the media is reporting is popular, little will get done. There is no job where self reliance is so important, and where your internal compass needs to be so strong. America needs conviction. America needs consistency, and the world needs to know what they can expect from us. We know where a slick talking president will get us. We know the kind of threats that will develop without the threat of response. We know what will happen when our servicemen are marginalized and left without strong leadership on their behalf. We CAN'T HAVE THAT in a world after 9/11."
Just my thoughts.
I thought he could have been stronger, and it bums me to see his response to a lot of attacks. I like the analogy someone made about a 10 year old calling a professional a poopy head. Perfect.

Rexone
10-01-2004, 10:26 AM
Anybody who doesn't see that Bush is dumb is either voting Republican because that's just how they vote (dumb) or they are themselves too stupid to see how stupid the current president really is.
Welcome to ***boat all knowing one.
Thanks for that analysis of my and many others voting preferences and ability to think through issues kaka.
Your first 5 posts are quite an array of intellect at it's best.

kahanamoko
10-01-2004, 10:41 AM
If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the discussion section ReckedOne. The truth hurts but it will set you free. Perhaps if you actually examined the issues, travelled the world a bit and understood a little more about how the rest of the world operates outside of your little pond, and questioned your party a bit more (and stopped listening to the likes of Limbaugh, Hannity (another idiot), O'Reilly, Rantel, etc.) we'd all be better off.
I'll repeat, I don't like Kerry. I don't respect Bush. Nader? Be serious! So, if I must vote, and I must, I guess it will be for Kerry.
By the way, as I indicated earlier, I'm in the military. Heard a comment on a radio station today (one of the conservative talk-show hacks mentioned above) that everyone in the military is voting for Bush. Afraid not. And I know alot of people in the military that will not be voting for Bush. It's fine to send troops to a foreign country to fight a war but if you don't have an exit strategy then you're ****ed. Colin Powell (someone I'd probably vote for by the way) told Bush attacking Iraq was a mistake but he was shouted down by his party. McCain (another republican with the balls to dispute his party line when he sees the truth is not being told) also indicated reluctance. He was lambasted by his own party and many were calling him a traitor. This guys sat in a cold, damp cell in Hanoi suffering for you. I bet you were laughing right along with the conservative hacks when they were insulting McCain for taking a stance against the president.

v-drive
10-01-2004, 10:42 AM
Welcome to ***boat all knowing one.
Thanks for that analysis of my and many others voting preferences and ability to think through issues kaka.
Your first 5 posts are quite an array of intellect at it's best.
Good mike.
Kaka, what branch of the service are you in. I'm just wondering because your profile says that you are an attorney so I am assuming that you are an officer. I know a few military officers and I can't think of a single one that has ever spoken of there commander in chief in such distaste. Are you really in the military because I don't believe a military person would speak that way about his superior....v-drive

Froggystyle
10-01-2004, 10:45 AM
Iraq a necessary war? Please. I am in the military now
In what unit? The Salvation Army doesn't count.
Please, please oh please oh please let me know what unit you are in. I would love to send this to them....

Froggystyle
10-01-2004, 10:56 AM
Ya know, other than your misguided politics and rhetoric, in addition to my disbelief that you are in the military, I am most pissed at you for taking away the attention to the longest, most carefully considered post I have ever put up on here.
Goddammit, I am looking for feedback people. Let me know how you think that would have gone over!!!!

kahanamoko
10-01-2004, 10:58 AM
Army Special Operations and that's all you need to know. If you think people in the military never speak ill of the president then you've never been in the military. Of course, with the current president that is the line you'll hear from the republican soldiers. When Clinton was president you'd hear things that were, in fact, in violation of the UCMJ and could have gotten someone in trouble. Do you think that ever resulted in any charges? No.
I respect the "office" of president. I have the right to disagree with the Commander-in-Chief. I will, however, obey the orders of the officers appointed over me and of the president. I would obviously prefer following the orders of someone with a higher IQ than a rock.
I am not an officer. I am an attorney. I am a reservist. I've been an attorney for ten years. I enlisted 21 years ago and frankly enjoy the enlisted men and job better. Less bullshit. Less politics. More rewarding (other than the $).
I don't suppose either of you would volunteer information on your military background, if any. If you never volunteered to pick up a weapon and fight then perhaps you should keep that hole shut. And volunteer info on your civilian job too. Let's hear what you do.

OGShocker
10-01-2004, 11:02 AM
In what unit? The Salvation Army doesn't count.
Please, please oh please oh please let me know what unit you are in. I would love to send this to them....
I hope he includes Rank! ;) :messedup:

Froggystyle
10-01-2004, 11:03 AM
Army Special Operations and that's all you need to know.
Bullshit. Plain and simple. What unit?
I don't suppose either of you would volunteer information on your military background, if any. If you never volunteered to pick up a weapon and fight then perhaps you should keep that hole shut. And volunteer info on your civilian job too. Let's hear what you do.
I was a Navy SEAL, HT1(SEAL) George W. Inskeep stationed at SEAL Team One in Coronado. BUD/s Class #213. Navy from 1994 to 2001. Retired medically because of a parachute accident during a night, combat equipment low level insertion jump.
As a civilian job, after getting out, I started my own boat company, Trident Custom Boats of which I am the owner and president. I like dogs, boobs and blowers.

OGShocker
10-01-2004, 11:05 AM
Ya know, other than your misguided politics and rhetoric, in addition to my disbelief that you are in the military, I am most pissed at you for taking away the attention to the longest, most carefully considered post I have ever put up on here.
Goddammit, I am looking for feedback people. Let me know how you think that would have gone over!!!!
I thought your post, albeit SHORT was a thing of beauty! :D I'd give you more but..... I hate to type. :D

Froggystyle
10-01-2004, 11:09 AM
Just so it is out in the open, I just shot Poserhanamoku a negative (and signed it...)
I have my bullshit flag flying high. Flappin in the breeze....

kahanamoko
10-01-2004, 11:14 AM
I have no intention on posting my name on the internet. Here or anywhere else. If you were on one of the teams, great. God Bless the Seals. Can't shoot worth a shit but what the heck.
Ask me a question about the military and I'll be happy to answer.
SFC to answer your question and up for 1SG in January.

kahanamoko
10-01-2004, 11:18 AM
And by the way George, isn't Wes the president of Trident? Better be careful or someone may find out that you doctored up your corporation to show him as the President when it's actually you.

kahanamoko
10-01-2004, 11:19 AM
Here is the info on you from your own company website. Don't see anything here about Seals:
George Inskeep – Chairman and co-founder
George has had a lifetime of experience in business management, sales and operations. For the past 25 years he has been associated with Marcus & Millichap, Inc., the nation's largest investment real estate brokerage company, being involved in transactions totaling more than $500 million. During several years as Regional Manager of the San Francisco and San Diego regions he was responsible for hiring, training and supervising over 100 sales agents and support staff. During his tenure as Regional Manager in San Francisco sales increased by over 100 percent.
From 1972 to 1977 he was founder and president of Horizon Air Service, Honolulu , Hawaii , with primary responsibility for all phases of operation, marketing and finance. From minimal beginnings the company grew to be the largest commuter air freight carrier in Hawaii , and 8 th largest in the United States.
From 1968 to 1972 he was a Pilot/Flight Engineer with Trans World Airlines. From 1962 to 1968 he was an Officer/Pilot in the U. S. Navy, serving 3 tours as a carrier pilot in Vietnam . He received a BS degree in Engineering from the U. S. Naval Academy in 1962.
Apart from his time in the Navy, his involvement with boating has been largely recreational, having constructed and enjoyed several jet boats. He does, however, have a knowledge of composite construction, having recently built and flown a composite aerobatic airplane.
He has described his involvement with Trident as the on-going reality check, making sure that the design, production and marketing remain economically viable. When an R&D team is given a clean sheet of paper it is common for costs to get out of hand, and for technology for its own sake to displace consumer-driven features and specifications in the list of priorities. Fortunately, the Trident design team has kept the ultimate user as their primary focus, so George hasn't had to do much foot-stomping.
- Trident Custom Boats™

kahanamoko
10-01-2004, 11:20 AM
And is that "BS Degree" for Bullshit?

kahanamoko
10-01-2004, 11:23 AM
And by the way Wes/George, does the name Harry Humphries ring a bell?
How about Vic Vinson?

Froggystyle
10-01-2004, 11:27 AM
Hey dumbshit.... that is my father, partner and George Wesley Inskeep IV. I am the fifth.
If you had read the first article, you would have seen this...
Wes Inskeep - President
Every team, every vision, has a motivating force. In the case of Trident Custom Boats™, that force is Wes Inskeep. The vision is to produce a boat that exceeds every standard of quality in every facet of design, performance and construction. To achieve that seemingly unreachable standard requires a leader of clear focus, with the ability to attract and motivate the best talent in the industry and the means and determination to see the project through to a successful conclusion. Who is this guy Wes, and what makes him think he can actually do this?
For starters, he knows a little bit about boats. He drove his first jet boat at age 12, built hotrod engines in his teens, and became a Navy Hull Technician in his early 20s. He is expert in composite construction techniques, and has achieved the highest standard as a welder, becoming qualified to weld on nuclear components.
His initial duty assignment was as a junior technician with the Shore Intermediate Maintenance Activity at the Norfolk Naval Base. During this assignment, he designed and built a device for repairing a ship's hull with the ship still in the water, and then performed the repair, saving the service over $100,000 and preventing a emergency dry dock period for a deploying warship. For this and other achievements he was named Sailor of the Year. Beyond his technical skills and knowledge, he has always sought, and been given, positions of leadership and responsibility beyond his age and seniority.
Wes volunteered and was accepted for the Basic Underwater Demolition/SEAL training program. After graduating this rigorous course of instruction, he was assigned to a platoon at SEAL Team One in Coronado, CA. Here he earned his Naval Special Warfare insignia, the SEAL Trident. (sound familiar?) During his years on the team he became involved in the development, management and implementation of several leading-edge programs in communications and weapons systems. He was also given an opportunity to help develop, and became an expert, in the operation and maintenance of high speed boats.
After medical retirement following a parachuting accident, he was heavily recruited by private industry as a subject matter expert (Harris Corp., Raytheon) and problem solving skills (Booz-Allen). Rather than take the easy road to corporate security, he chose to follow his heart, which lay with the development of very special custom boats. The industry, and the boating public, will be the beneficiaries of that decision
Since becoming involved with the southern California custom boat industry he has become widely known as a reliable source of answers to complex questions regarding high performance boating in online forums. He coordinated the powerboat episode of the Fear Factor television show. Wes designed the boat modifications and trained the stunt drivers for what evolved into a very successful show. In addition to the Fear Factor show, Wes organized and provided expertise and skills for four different "Wild On" television episodes. His personal boat, which he designed himself and on which he supervised the construction, has been featured in Hot Boat Magazine. He has performed numerous high-profile rigging modifications, improvements and tuning on private boats, including final management and rigging of Hot Boat's 27' project boat.
An enthusiast since an early age, Wes has become an aficionado on audio systems, and has developed alliances and sponsor relations with several component vendors. A production method is being developed that will hugely impact the quality of marine audio installations and sound in the future. As an aside, he plays a mean rock & roll guitar.
There isn't a single member of the Trident team that would choose any other individual to lead this company into the future. His enthusiasm, knowledge, attention to every detail of the process and unwillingness to be satisfied with anything other than the best that can be delivered has attracted the blue ribbon team of designers, vendors and experts that form our organization, and has permitted them to expand their own envelopes of creativity. This attitude will carry forward to owner relations and service once the boat is delivered. We're about to enter a new era in boating, and Wes is the one who will make it happen.
One more thing, and this is not an afterthought. Not all wives would support the decision that Wes has made to strike out in a new direction to follow his dream. Audrey, besides having a business career of her own, has given complete support and encouragement to the project, and will be a big part of our future success. Without her enthusiastic participation we would face an even greater challenge. This is a team in every sense of the word.

Froggystyle
10-01-2004, 11:36 AM
God Bless the Seals. Can't shoot worth a shit but what the heck.
Ask me a question about the military and I'll be happy to answer.
SFC to answer your question and up for 1SG in January.
I will bet you $1000 I can outshoot you, on any range, any course of fire with any weapon.
Takers?

kahanamoko
10-01-2004, 11:44 AM
I have every reason to believe you are an ex-Navy Officer Wes. Your earlier email identified you as "George". Your company website identifies you as "Wes" only. No George W. (wait, that's too scary to think about), no I, II, III or IV. Confusing? I think so. Not unlike a Navy officer.
So, Mustang or Ringknocker?

kahanamoko
10-01-2004, 11:47 AM
I didn't mean to hurt your feelings about the Seals, and I'm much to busy to entertain your challenge. I have a real job and the military thing too. When I do have off-time I'm out with my boat or enjoying myself some other way with my family. Why would I want to waste my time in some childish weapons competition with you? All that would prove is that one of the two of us is a better marksman. It wouldn't address my point about the Navy Seals in general being bad marksmen. You seem to constantly miss you point Wes. Not unlike your observations on Bush.

Rexone
10-01-2004, 11:50 AM
Army Special Operations and that's all you need to know.
I have no intention on posting my name on the internet. Here or anywhere else. If you were on one of the teams, great. God Bless the Seals. Can't shoot worth a shit but what the heck.
And by the way George, isn't Wes the president of Trident? Better be careful or someone may find out that you doctored up your corporation to show him as the President when it's actually you.
Here is the info on you from your own company website. Don't see anything here about Seals:
And is that "BS Degree" for Bullshit?
Real quality stuff there Mr K. Nice entrance and knowledge of what you're talking about. Great shittalker though, congrats! I'll make sure I consider your opinion when I cast my vote. :messedup:

eliminatedsprinter
10-01-2004, 11:52 AM
Wow, this Kan-a-kaka guy is harsh. I can see exactly why he wants to vote for Kerry. He has the same "I know so much more than you of the great unwashed" attitude that permeates Kerry and the left's we must regulate and control your lives, for your own good, attitude. Based on the level of anger, and just plain meaness of these posts, I'm starting to think he might not be such a nice guy either. :wink:

Blingette
10-01-2004, 11:56 AM
I don't think that Bush was on his game at all last night, and it showed in his lack of attention when giving his response's. Kerry was truly the winner as far as I'm concerned. Can't wait for round 2. :confused:

OGShocker
10-01-2004, 11:56 AM
Just so it is out in the open, I just shot Poserhanamoku a negative (and signed it...)
I have my bullshit flag flying high. Flappin in the breeze....
Signed mine too... Forkin' lawyer!

Froggystyle
10-01-2004, 12:05 PM
I have every reason to believe you are an ex-Navy Officer Wes. Your earlier email identified you as "George". Your company website identifies you as "Wes" only. No George W. (wait, that's too scary to think about), no I, II, III or IV. Confusing? I think so. Not unlike a Navy officer.
So, Mustang or Ringknocker?
I am not an ex-Navy officer. I am retired Navy enlisted, as is indicated by the HT1 designation. I used my official, legal name of George in case you wanted to do a little looking around to check credentials. Lots of people posing as SEALs, few with an actual SEAL Trident to their name. I imagine, as is the case here that a lot of people claim to be Army Special Forces, but refuse to mention their units or CO's. I will give you the phone numbers to my old CO's, and you can feel free to e-mail them this post if you want.
For you to turn down my offer of a freindly wager, on your terms, shows me you have little clue what I you are talking about, much like your candidate. All bluster, no substance. You said...
God Bless the Seals. Can't shoot worth a shit but what the heck.
I am calling you out on that. Your statement insinuates you can shoot better, to which I accept your challenge. I will warn you prior to your acceptance of this challenge that I have never, in any situation shot less than a 192/200 in any course of fire, and I know of no SEAL who shoots much worse. That is officially 17 points above the military "expert" designation, so I feel you are misinformed (as you appear to be on numerous subjects) with regard to the shooting prowess of the SEAL teams.
Further...
and I'm much to busy to entertain your challenge. I have a real job and the military thing too. When I do have off-time I'm out with my boat or enjoying myself some other way with my family.
I don't know what you do for a living, because I am disinclined to believe much that you say at this point, but I am pretty sure it isn't being an attorney. Attorneys are far better at fact checking than you seem to be. In any case, I am offering to drive to your location, and wager you $1000 that I can outshoot YOU in any situation you can dream up. One shot, at 5 yards if you wish, or 5 shots at 1000. Your call. You can shut me up and make 1G on one shot if you so desire on your home range. This is pretty good pay, in anyones book, and worth the effort. I would certainly drive to Orange County for $1000 easy cash. (In fact, by virtue of this bet, I am planning on it)
Your comments are without merit, and baseless. You have no means of backing them up, and are backing down from an easy challenge, as we all can't shoot for shit.
Poser.

kahanamoko
10-01-2004, 12:07 PM
And yet not one of you idiots has truly responded to observations made that Bush is working above his intelligence level. And if I have to look at that silly shit-eating smirk of his one more time... The entire look is "I know more than everybody and if you don't agree with me you're wrong." Why is this guy even on the podium at a debate. He clearly doesn't know how to listen to anybody else's opinion anyway and "debate" is not part of his vocabulary.
Gotta go. Work is calling. And by the way Wes, perhaps you should have asked what kind of lawyer I am. Just a thought.

Froggystyle
10-01-2004, 12:08 PM
Gotta go. Work is calling. And by the way Wes, perhaps you should have asked what kind of lawyer I am. Just a thought.
My guess... fraud? Mail order? Imaginary?

eliminatedsprinter
10-01-2004, 12:11 PM
Negative points huh. Good job. The only reason I will not is, because
I'm not a big fan of this point system and I've never given a negative point.
But the harsh, cold, just plain bigoted, and mean tone of his posts has me tempted. But I won't, because I will never let him provoke me to do anything. I will not even give him that much control over my feelings or actions.

v-drive
10-01-2004, 12:14 PM
This guy is not military. He doesn't talk the lingo. Go play somewhere else.
v-drive

Froggystyle
10-01-2004, 12:15 PM
Negative points huh. Good job. The only reason I will not is, because
I'm not a big fan of this point system and I've never given a negative point.
But the harsh, cold, just plain bigoted, and mean tone of his posts has me tempted. But I won't, because I will never let him provoke me to do anything. I will not even give him that much control over my feelings or actions.
I give out both. I have given out I think three negs, and signed all of them. It isn't a punishment, it is a commentary. I get a lot of negs. I don't make everyone happy though, and I don't fish for positives either. What is bullshit is rep snipers. That is sackless in my opinion. Like making an unfounded statement and not standing behind it up for example.
BTW, I give out lots of positives.

Froggystyle
10-01-2004, 12:17 PM
This guy is not military. He doesn't talk the lingo. Go play somewhere else.
v-drive
Understatement of the year... :D

1978 Rogers
10-01-2004, 12:23 PM
Can't we all just get a long. Man for a sunny friday afternoon it was a bummer reading the arguments going back and forth here. Were all entitled to our opinions, but damn. This sucks. :frown:

eliminatedsprinter
10-01-2004, 12:27 PM
And yet not one of you idiots has truly responded to observations made that Bush is working above his intelligence level. And if I have to look at that silly shit-eating smirk of his one more time... The entire look is "I know more than everybody and if you don't agree with me you're wrong." Why is this guy even on the podium at a debate. He clearly doesn't know how to listen to anybody else's opinion anyway and "debate" is not part of his vocabulary.
Gotta go. Work is calling. And by the way Wes, perhaps you should have asked what kind of lawyer I am. Just a thought.
Why on earth would anyone want to respond to posts that are presented like the above. :confused: These posts offer nothing in content that you can't read on moveon.org or Al Jeeezera (sp?) but their tone is fascinating. The insults and anger offer much insight. It's the sound of desperation. His posts have a rather pathetic "why wont anybody listen to me" :cry: quality to them.

eliminatedsprinter
10-01-2004, 12:35 PM
I give out both. I have given out I think three negs, and signed all of them. It isn't a punishment, it is a commentary. I get a lot of negs. I don't make everyone happy though, and I don't fish for positives either. What is bullshit is rep snipers. That is sackless in my opinion. Like making an unfounded statement and not standing behind it up for example.
BTW, I give out lots of positives.
Froggy I've enjoyed your posts for as long as I've been on this forum and even though I haven't met you yet I can tell you are way cool with me. :D
I was worried that some might think that I was saying something was wrong with using this point system. But that's not what I ment. I'm just saying I have never given a negative and I'm not going to bust my cherry on this guy....So to speak.....He's not worthy of any emotion from me, not even negative...

Blingette
10-01-2004, 12:36 PM
Can't we all just get a long. Man for a sunny friday afternoon it was a bummer reading the arguments going back and forth here. Were all entitled to our opinions, but damn. This sucks. :frown:
Yes but don't we all know not to talk politics.

Froggystyle
10-01-2004, 12:37 PM
Can't we all just get a long. Man for a sunny friday afternoon it was a bummer reading the arguments going back and forth here. Were all entitled to our opinions, but damn. This sucks. :frown:
Sorry bro... no buzzkill here. I am just waiting on parts.
Good news though. We are building the first boat October 11th! CoreCell finally is coming in on the 6th.

78Eliminator
10-01-2004, 12:47 PM
Sorry bro... no buzzkill here. I am just waiting on parts.
Good news though. We are building the first boat October 11th! CoreCell finally is coming in on the 6th.
Wes, I have a 9mm that I know you can't shoot worth a shit. :D
It's a S&W 469. One of the most unpredicable pieces of crap you will ever fire. Sometimes it shoots high to the left, some times it shoots low to the right. Good luck!!! LOL
Here's a four leaf clover if you ever get a chance to shoot it :clover:

Tom Brown
10-01-2004, 12:54 PM
Several times Kerry returned to the topic of the prior question to bash some more and the mod did nothing to stop it.
Not all moderators run a nazi style regime like they do here on ***boat. :D <- smilie added since this is a political discussion and everyone seems a little on edge so I hope others get a kick out of this comment, as I do.
By the way, I'm philosophically opposed to someone telling a president and/or potential president what they can or cannot say. What kind of candidate would submit to the will of some TV types? ... not one that ought to be running the country, I would contend. If anyone deserves some leeway, perhaps it ought to be the next leader of your country.
I enjoyed the debates. The last Canadian political debate I watched involved three loud mouthed losers trying to talk over each other like a bunch of cackling old women. It was about as low class as it could be. That debate last night seemed classy and controlled but they still hit on some issues. I left with the impression that both candidates had a chance to say what they needed to say.
Overall, I was impressed with both men. :cool:

Froggystyle
10-01-2004, 12:58 PM
Overall, I was impressed with both men. :cool:
How often do you find yourself feeling this way?
hehe... I kill me.

78Eliminator
10-01-2004, 01:05 PM
By the way Wes, I went back and red the speech you prepared for our president. It was a good one, I would just have to sugar coat a few things before I passed it on to him. Like get rid of the word "kill". You know how they do it in the military, you have to use colorful wording like "Accomplish the objective" instead of "We cut fingers off a war prisoner until he disclosed the location of his weapons"
But all in all, it was money.

572Daytona
10-01-2004, 01:24 PM
hmm...it looks like Lake Pirate has been reincarnated. Another loser that seems to think that one's intelligence is determined solely by how articulate he/she is. My experience in life has been the opposite, usually the glib, have a ready answer for any question types usually have very shallow thought processes. And tend to go into fields such as politcs or the legal profession where lack of intelligence isn't a hinderance.
Bush did look tired, but you do have to remember that he has been working doing his job in addition to campaigning. To the best of my knowledge Kerry has shown up for very few if any Senate hearings as of late.

eliminatedsprinter
10-01-2004, 01:38 PM
[QUOTE=572Daytona: To the best of my knowledge Kerry has shown up for very few if any Senate hearings as of late.[/QUOTE]
That the best news since they caught Saddam... :D

Tom Brown
10-01-2004, 01:44 PM
I will bet you $1000 I can outshoot you, on any range, any course of fire with any weapon.
Takers?
I'll bet I can out manouver you with a combine in hilly, bushy, country.

schiada96
10-01-2004, 01:45 PM
And yet not one of you idiots has truly responded to observations made that Bush is working above his intelligence level. And if I have to look at that silly shit-eating smirk of his one more time... The entire look is "I know more than everybody and if you don't agree with me you're wrong." Why is this guy even on the podium at a debate. He clearly doesn't know how to listen to anybody else's opinion anyway and "debate" is not part of his vocabulary.
Gotta go. Work is calling. And by the way Wes, perhaps you should have asked what kind of lawyer I am. Just a thought.
Don't change the subject I want to see how this shooting match goes.Hell I'll drive to see that one.

Schiada76
10-01-2004, 01:58 PM
Don't change the subject I want to see how this shooting match goes.Hell I'll drive to see that one.
Hell I'd pay money to see it, and put it on video. I'm sure Froggy could get enough people on here to back his $1,000 and make the offer $2,000. Put me down for a $100.00 Wes. After you're done whupping his ass we can stage a night time shoot, I have a friend that I will bank against this fool, at night, at distance, one shot. :eat:

Debbolas
10-01-2004, 02:17 PM
So.............how did a discussion about the presidential debates turn into a shooting contest? :idea:
You guys crack me up!!! :clover:
God Bless America :D

Rexone
10-01-2004, 02:28 PM
Not all moderators run a nazi style regime like they do here on ***boat.
By the way, I'm philosophically opposed to someone telling a president and/or potential president what they can or cannot say. What kind of candidate would submit to the will of some TV types? ... not one that ought to be running the country, I would contend. If anyone deserves some leeway, perhaps it ought to be the next leader of your country.
My point was that the "debate" (joke in itself) had preset parameters and rules totaling 32 pages I've heard. And that while GW adhered to these overly restrictive preset rules for the most part, the moderator continually allowed Kerry to ramble on whatever subject he wanted to even if it had nothing to do with the present question. If it were set up to be a free for all fine, but that wasn't the deal going in. So under those preset and predetermined circumstances I think the moderation sucked. Not that I agree with the format or moderation principles in the first place but they were what they were and it was a joke. If you're going to have rules they should be enforced. If not why have them in the first place. That was my point. Just like the illegal aliens being allowed to cross our borders and bankrupt our country at will... another joke.
:D
It must be getting cold in Canatardia for you to be watching US political shiznit. :D

Tom Brown
10-01-2004, 02:36 PM
It must be getting cold in Canatardia for you to be watching US political shiznit. :D
Mike, I have a ton of respect for you as a person as well as your opinions.
Actually, I find the US political system interesting. A lot of Canadians whine about US politics but I think your system is probably sleightly less screwed up than ours, however, our system is not without merrit.
By the way, the nazi comment was tongue in cheek. It was an attempt at humor with no offence intended.

Second "PLACE"
10-01-2004, 02:43 PM
So.............how did a discussion about the presidential debates turn into a shooting contest? :idea:
You guys crack me up!!! :clover:
God Bless America :D
I didn't read the entire thread, but just glancing at it thought the Presidential debate had turned into a challenge of a gun fight between Bush and Kerry! Who would I put my $1000.00 on you ask? BUSH no question. He could Easily shoot John Kerry dead, on any course any time. Hell maybe we could arange that to happen..................................In BEAUMONT. ;)

Froggystyle
10-01-2004, 02:44 PM
I'll bet I can out manouver you with a combine in hilly, bushy, country.
No contest Tom. You accel at what you like best inevitably, and we all know about your affinity for hills and bush. Not to mention country girls. :D
But, I am not claiming that all Canadians can't drive combines for shit either...

Tom Brown
10-01-2004, 02:52 PM
I'm all about the hydrostatic drive.

eliminatedsprinter
10-01-2004, 02:53 PM
But, I am not claiming that all Canadians can't drive combines for shit either...
Well, obviously they can't, because about 95% of their country isn't even paved yet. :wink: :D

Tom Brown
10-01-2004, 02:55 PM
... 95% of their country isn't evn paved yet. :wink: :D
Our goal isn't to pave 100% of the country. We have too much water that we want to sell you guys. :D

FLYTE RISK
10-01-2004, 03:40 PM
hmm...it looks like Lake Pirate has been reincarnated. Another loser that seems to think that one's intelligence is determined solely by how articulate he/she is. My experience in life has been the opposite, usually the glib, have a ready answer for any question types usually have very shallow thought processes. And tend to go into fields such as politcs or the legal profession where lack of intelligence isn't a hinderance.
Bush did look tired, but you do have to remember that he has been working doing his job in addition to campaigning. To the best of my knowledge Kerry has shown up for very few if any Senate hearings as of late.
Bush has been working?? He has taken more time off than most!!!! Rex I know this is a political site but you should see all sides since you are the moderator..... And it seems like most here are from O.County.. That says it all.. KK was a little blunt but in my opinion to the point WAKE UP PEOPLE!! I mean I know Clinton was a hard act to follow ( intelectually, gift of gab, womanizing etc.) Yet Bush has demonstrated no leadership skills whatsoever, let alone verbal skills.. Sure does seem like alot of uninformed in here!!!! GO Kerry!!!! :idea:

Debbolas
10-01-2004, 03:44 PM
Our goal isn't to pave 100% of the country. We have too much water that we want to sell you guys. :D
We will take it!
Lets fill up Lake Powell and Lake Mead with Canadian Water!! :rollside:

eliminatedsprinter
10-01-2004, 03:50 PM
Our goal isn't to pave 100% of the country. We have too much water that we want to sell you guys. :D
Great put me down for $100 worth and ship it to the Co River... :D

Dave C
10-01-2004, 04:01 PM
it figures that ol Kahanmoko is an attorney. That poisoned pen of his by calling us idiots demonstrates that his ego is probably bigger than his big mouth.
I always say that that you demean yourself and lose the argument by calling other people names. So if you are going to hurl insults why should we even bother with you?
way to go big guy! :boxingguy
And yet not one of you idiots has truly responded to observations made that Bush is working above his intelligence level. And if I have to look at that silly shit-eating smirk of his one more time... The entire look is "I know more than everybody and if you don't agree with me you're wrong." Why is this guy even on the podium at a debate. He clearly doesn't know how to listen to anybody else's opinion anyway and "debate" is not part of his vocabulary.
Gotta go. Work is calling. And by the way Wes, perhaps you should have asked what kind of lawyer I am. Just a thought.

kahanamoko
10-01-2004, 04:26 PM
If $1,000 is that much money to you ReckedOne then business must be slow. Trident Boats! Give me a break. Get a real job and stop ripping people off.
Think up any question you want about the military. I can answer. Wanna know my MOS. How about my SQI. Wanna know what was my last NCOES school? ETS? NCOER? AOC? OAC? OBC? USACAPOC? USASWCS (Should know that one Wes). USASFC? PULHES (111111 for me Wes, unlike you).
Fact of the matter, Wes, and anyone else that wants to put in their useless opinion as to whether I'm actually in the military. I don't f***ing care whether you think I'm in. So long as I collect my paycheck at the end of the month. See, unlike you, Wes, I'm still IN the military. I keep my self in good shape (Oh, sorry, Navy, right?).
The point that started you on your tirade was that, like most republicans that attempt to talk politics, you can't seem to point to one factor in support of your candidate. Instead, you simply point to the weakness of the Democrat. And don't jump in here and say I did the same thing. I never indicated Kerry was my candidate. But Bush is an idiot. Do you really think America deserves 4 more years of an idiot president? I mean, all I'm saying is that I'd rather take my chances with someone else and hope for better. After all, with any candidate it's all about HOPE. Not even sure if Bush can spell the word let alone inspire any.

v-drive
10-01-2004, 04:36 PM
Bush has been working?? He has taken more time off than most!!!! Rex I know this is a political site but you should see all sides since you are the moderator..... And it seems like most here are from O.County.. That says it all.. KK was a little blunt but in my opinion to the point WAKE UP PEOPLE!! I mean I know Clinton was a hard act to follow ( intelectually, gift of gab, womanizing etc.) Yet Bush has demonstrated no leadership skills whatsoever, let alone verbal skills.. Sure does seem like alot of uninformed in here!!!! GO Kerry!!!! :idea:
What's the crack about the OC. I think Bush is doing ok, there has been better but then again there has been alot worse. Jimmy Carter was a complete clusterf--k oh but he was a Dem so that's just fine I suppose.
I for one OC person don't want another Jimmy Carter running our country and john kerry is that and worse. It's a Vietnam vet thing :mad: v-drive

Rexone
10-01-2004, 04:47 PM
If $1,000 is that much money to you ReckedOne then business must be slow.
I don't recall ever mentioning anything about the $1000. Perhaps you should check your research. I have nothing more to say on this thread. You are obviously an angry person and I have no time for bantering with angry people. Mud wrestling with a pig only gets you muddy and the pig likes it... (courtesy of Froggy). Calling me an idiot and telling me to f*** off for something I never even commented on pretty much sums up who you are I think. Have a nice day.
And Flyte the fact that I'm a moderator on ***boat has absolutely nothing to do with my political views or what I post for that manner, nor do I moderate this political forum here, so I guess I've missed your point if there is one.

kahanamoko
10-01-2004, 05:12 PM
Once again, the "ReckedOne" fails to respond to a challenge to support Bush.
Since I have a real job and don't spend time here on a regular basis and can at best glance back here on occasion to see if he (or anyone else) can support Bush then perhaps he didn't throw out the $1,000 challenge. I don't have time to go back and check either.
As for "Trident" boats, I suppose if Wes plans to use this site as a launch pad to market his company then I will make sure to point that out to anyone I know the does frequent this site. I mean, he advertises on his company website that he is moderator for online boat chatlines as some sort of marketing point to infer that he must, therefore, be making a good product. Has his finger on the pulse of the boating community. He also uses his vast experience as a Seal team member in his website to infer that he therefore knows alot about making boats that can endure the toughest situations, etc. Please. I do think there is a Trident Boat company making blow up diving rafts. More along the line of his military boating experience I think. Not sure how many fiberglass high performance racing boats the military has and I didn't see anything on his site that infers he had anything to do with that type of project. Oh well, I suppose there are those that might be fooled by that type of crap. Good luck on that one, Wes.
Oh, and calling that "Revolution" thing a "custom ski boat" is a joke. Looks so much like a Chapparal or one of the other boats stamped out on a mass production line. The interior is horrible. Although, it does look like it would be easy to hose down with the plastic interior and all. Just love the "Trident" ski rope hook. Wes, your not in the Navy anymore. Get over it. Move on. Make boats if you like, but don't use the Navy to market that piece of crap.
Oh, and I loved the whole thing about being the center of attention at the boat show thing. I'd like to see if anyone (not associated with your company) can tell us whether that's just another marketing line or not. I'm sure they were all just piled around your little model, cause you know, that's what boat enthusiasts like to look at, models. Not actual boats with real big motors. No. Four foot models of boats really get us excited. Maybe if you had actual female "models" hanging around your lame boat model. Then I can see it being the center of attention. Hell, I may have even endured the sales pitch for that crappy boat to check out that for a moment. Then I would have wandered off to see real boats. Real Custom Boats. You know, the ones where you pick the interior, gelcoat colors, engine, drive. Boats like Eliminator. Shockwave. Ultimate. Eclipse. Etc. And I certainly would take any reference to your designer working previously for Aftershock off of your site. If his hull design is the Aftershock design you might want to test it on the water a bit first. I've seen one of their hulls split in half on Lake Havasu and heard a story of another doing the same. Not sure if it was the hull design or the manufacturing (was he responsible for that too Wes?) but I almost made the mistake of buying one and am eternally grateful I didn't.

FLYTE RISK
10-01-2004, 05:15 PM
I don't recall ever mentioning anything about the $1000. Perhaps you should check your research. I have nothing more to say on this thread. You are obviously an angry person and I have no time for bantering with angry people. Arguing with a pig only gets you muddy and the pig likes it... (courtesy of Froggy). Calling me an idiot and telling me to f*** off for something I never even commented on pretty much sums up who you are I think. Have a nice day.
And Flyte the fact that I'm a moderator on ***boat has absolutely nothing to do with my political views or what I post for that manner, nor do I moderate this political forum here, so I guess I've missed your point if there is one. Pont is rex just like all the media outlets, F.C.C REGULATIONES, In which the conservatives control, It would not surprise me if the lock were imposed upon this thread!!!! But all of Y'all let's talk about some of the binding topics.. Why is Bush against stem cell research?? Why are we in IRAQ and turn cheek to korea???? Why are our old folks payin more taxes now than ever????? And B.T.W I was born and raised in Beautiful So. Cal so the O.C REmark should come of no surprise!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :yuk: :cry: :)

Rexone
10-01-2004, 05:36 PM
Pont is rex just like all the media outlets, F.C.C REGULATIONES, In which the conservatives control, It would not surprise me if the lock were imposed upon this thread!!!! But all of Y'all let's talk about some of the binding topics.. Why is Bush against stem cell research?? Why are we in IRAQ and turn cheek to korea???? Why are our old folks payin more taxes now than ever????? And B.T.W I was born and raised in Beautiful So. Cal so the O.C REmark should come of no surprise!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :yuk: :cry: :)
First of all I don't consider myself a hard right conservative. I'm registered republican but would have no problem voting for any democrat whom I thought could do a better job. There is plenty of shit I disagree with Bush on including stem cell research and illegal immigration. I just disagree with Kerry's credibility and record in the senate more and consider him bogus based on what he preaches vs what he's voted on and represented and said consistantly for years. And has offered exactly zero in explanation to how he'd do anything better although he has no problem preaching he'd do a better job and Bush f'ed this up and f'ed that up. Ok big john if so tell me HOW if you want my vote. Until I hear HOW you are just hot air. He sounds just like Clinton in 92, lots of big talk personna, no detailed answers or explanation on just how he'd accomplish anything he preaches he could do better (pie in the sky syndrome), all of which costs a bunch of money. With the exception he's not quite as smooth or convincing as Clinton was. Clinton could sell a hair brush to Sinead O'connor. Kerry isn't quite at slick willie's level yet.
I don't moderate this forum and couldn't lock it if I wanted to (not that I would if I could). And I don't live or work in OC.
So your post about my political choice vs. being a moderator on vdrives, outboards, gear heads, offshore, bench racers, how to, and hot spots west relates exactly how to this thread in the political forum or orange county? You've lost me.

Seadog
10-01-2004, 06:48 PM
I never cease to be amazed at the mindless liberals that think they are mainstream Americana. If someone dares to have an opinion that does not jive with theirs, that means that person is an idiot or moron. Kookmanchild could be Michael Moore's twin. A total loser. Anyone who thinks that Kerry has the ability or right to lead a dog pack, let alone the greatest nation in the world, is delusional. He has proven that he will sacrifice the military and our nations self respect for his political gain. Bush may not be the Paris Hilton that Clinton was, but he is honest and focused on what needs to be done. For eight years I listened to the weinies say the same garbage about Reagan. Reagan did ten times the good for this country than clueless Jimmy or wee Willie ever thought of doing.

Seadog
10-01-2004, 07:01 PM
BTW, no grunt would make it in the military with kahanamoko's attitude. You don't make SFC being a juvenile non-team player.

Dave C
10-01-2004, 07:16 PM
dang you have a real poison pen. Not like it matters but can I guess what type of lawyer you are? Does it involve chasing ambulance bumpers?? or maybe something else we can fairly categorize as a racket.
since your a newbie here and for a great deal of time we all have heard from Wes and some of us even know him personally we can only come to one conclusion that your the total jerk here. Because IMO Wes is a good guy.
why don't you take your poison pen elsewhere because your ego does not impress anyone here. :argue:
And by the way Wes, perhaps you should have asked what kind of lawyer I am. Just a thought.

Dave C
10-01-2004, 07:20 PM
lets see Stem cell research ain't illegal... Not that we need federal funding anyway because some private company will figure it out anyway. Worry NOT.
N. Korea has a giant army parked just a few miles from Seoul and S. Korea doesn't want to create waves.... so not like we can exactly invade, can we. So we continue to negotiate by getting China involved.
Please.. old people are paying more in taxes because Clinton raised the taxes on S.S. in 93. don't you remember Gore casting the tie breaking vote.
Pont is rex just like all the media outlets, F.C.C REGULATIONES, In which the conservatives control, It would not surprise me if the lock were imposed upon this thread!!!! But all of Y'all let's talk about some of the binding topics.. Why is Bush against stem cell research?? Why are we in IRAQ and turn cheek to korea???? Why are our old folks payin more taxes now than ever????? And B.T.W I was born and raised in Beautiful So. Cal so the O.C REmark should come of no surprise!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :yuk: :cry: :)

_I_
10-01-2004, 07:56 PM
Well this certainly is an interesting thread. Couple of things that I just noticed.
1. Kahanamoko is acting a lot like army SF. I have worked with a lot of Army SF and many of them were a little twitchy. I will actually be up in FT. Lewis doing some work soon. (Where a good chunk of SF is stationed). I would expect this sort of behavior from Army Special Forces. Not really from any other units. Keep in mind that every unit has its dead weight.
2. Kahanamoke, you seem to want some discussion about Kerry/Bush and their positions, here is what I see.
a. I'm curious about what Kahanamoke thinks of Kerry's plan to increase special forces.
Here is a quote from johnkerry.com
"Double America's Special Forces Capability and increase other specialized personnel to improve America's ability to conduct counter-terrorism operations, perform reconnaissance missions and gather intelligence."
That is a bad idea and anyone who has ever served in a special forces unit knows why.
b. I don't understand the whole bi-lateral talks in North Korea thing Kerry is pushing for. Honestly I did not expect that from Kerry. Kerry is a politician and like most politicians he is very shifty, but he is not stupid. Bi-Lateral talks in Korea really are not a smart idea. China can put the elbow no NK not the USA.
c. A little more on North Korea. Does any one believe that Kerry has a plan to fix things in North Korea? There is no current satisfactory option for North Korea available to the US. Without resorting to nuclear war we cannot take North Korea right now, not without substantial loss of life. If right now Kerry came out with a plan that would work for how he was going to solve the NK problem I would consider changing my vote. The fact is that he knows just as well as anyone else who has researched North Korea that bi-lateral talks would be a joke, and that he has no real solution to the problem, it is just spin.
3. Kahanamoke really is spouting off a lot without checking his facts or even reading things fully. Although watching froggystyle correct him all the time is funny, his complete lack of awareness in regards to what people did or said in this thread is probably a good indication of his actually political awareness. Please don't try to excuse this by saying you are busy and don't have time to read everything. If you don't have time to be informed then maybe you shouldn't open your mouth.
I have seen it quoted many times on these boards, but here it is again.
"Better to sit in silence and have people assume you are stupid than to open you mouth and remove all doubt."

Tom Brown
10-01-2004, 08:15 PM
If $1,000 is that much money to you ReckedOne then business must be slow.
Hey Mike, how are the new Trident molds coming?
This kahanamoko guy is an imbecile. :D

FLYTE RISK
10-01-2004, 09:06 PM
lets see Stem cell research ain't illegal... Not that we need federal funding anyway because some private company will figure it out anyway. Worry NOT.
N. Korea has a giant army parked just a few miles from Seoul and S. Korea doesn't want to create waves.... so not like we can exactly invade, can we. So we continue to negotiate by getting China involved.
Please.. old people are paying more in taxes because Clinton raised the taxes on S.S. in 93. don't you remember Gore casting the tie breaking vote. You are about as bright as the colors on your boat NOT!! READ your POST SMARTY You have said nadda!! And REX what qualify's Bush to lead our nation?? Let's see draft dodger, Alcoholic, drug addict Oh I forgot governor of WHERE???? DAVE C get informed than post again !!!!!!!!!! GOOD NIGHT :squiggle: :coffeycup :p

FLYTE RISK
10-01-2004, 09:14 PM
I never cease to be amazed at the mindless liberals that think they are mainstream Americana. If someone dares to have an opinion that does not jive with theirs, that means that person is an idiot or moron. Kookmanchild could be Michael Moore's twin. A total loser. Anyone who thinks that Kerry has the ability or right to lead a dog pack, let alone the greatest nation in the world, is delusional. He has proven that he will sacrifice the military and our nations self respect for his political gain. Bush may not be the Paris Hilton that Clinton was, but he is honest and focused on what needs to be done. For eight years I listened to the weinies say the same garbage about Reagan. Reagan did ten times the good for this country than clueless Jimmy or wee Willie ever thought of doing. Sea dog read the forum posts there are few opinions that are disagreeing here in my opinion!!! And what exactly did reagan do besides quadruple the deficet, Trade arms with Iran, and answer no pertinent questiones without being advised??????????????????????????????????????????? ??????????????????? BROTHER GET A CLUE BEFORE YOU VOTE IF YOU DO !!!!!!!

Boy Named Sue
10-01-2004, 09:28 PM
You are about as bright as the colors on your boat NOT!! READ your POST SMARTY You have said nadda!! And REX what qualify's Bush to lead our nation?? Let's see draft dodger, Alcoholic, drug addict Oh I forgot governor of WHERE???? DAVE C get informed than post again !!!!!!!!!! GOOD NIGHT :squiggle: :coffeycup :p
Why is it when some liberals are faced with logic and reason and their arguments fall apart, they come back with name calling and practically sound hysterical? :)

v-drive
10-02-2004, 06:30 AM
Hey Mike, how are the new Trident molds coming?
This kahanamoko guy is an imbecile. :D
and flyte risk isn't to far behind..........v-drive

Froggystyle
10-02-2004, 07:19 AM
Once again, the "ReckedOne" fails to respond to a challenge to support Bush.
Since I have a real job and don't spend time here on a regular basis and can at best glance back here on occasion to see if he (or anyone else) can support Bush then perhaps he didn't throw out the $1,000 challenge. I don't have time to go back and check either.
As for "Trident" boats, I suppose if Wes plans to use this site as a launch pad to market his company then I will make sure to point that out to anyone I know the does frequent this site. I mean, he advertises on his company website that he is moderator for online boat chatlines as some sort of marketing point to infer that he must, therefore, be making a good product. Has his finger on the pulse of the boating community. He also uses his vast experience as a Seal team member in his website to infer that he therefore knows alot about making boats that can endure the toughest situations, etc. Please. I do think there is a Trident Boat company making blow up diving rafts. More along the line of his military boating experience I think. Not sure how many fiberglass high performance racing boats the military has and I didn't see anything on his site that infers he had anything to do with that type of project. Oh well, I suppose there are those that might be fooled by that type of crap. Good luck on that one, Wes.
Oh, and calling that "Revolution" thing a "custom ski boat" is a joke. Looks so much like a Chapparal or one of the other boats stamped out on a mass production line. The interior is horrible. Although, it does look like it would be easy to hose down with the plastic interior and all. Just love the "Trident" ski rope hook. Wes, your not in the Navy anymore. Get over it. Move on. Make boats if you like, but don't use the Navy to market that piece of crap.
Oh, and I loved the whole thing about being the center of attention at the boat show thing. I'd like to see if anyone (not associated with your company) can tell us whether that's just another marketing line or not. I'm sure they were all just piled around your little model, cause you know, that's what boat enthusiasts like to look at, models. Not actual boats with real big motors. No. Four foot models of boats really get us excited. Maybe if you had actual female "models" hanging around your lame boat model. Then I can see it being the center of attention. Hell, I may have even endured the sales pitch for that crappy boat to check out that for a moment. Then I would have wandered off to see real boats. Real Custom Boats. You know, the ones where you pick the interior, gelcoat colors, engine, drive. Boats like Eliminator. Shockwave. Ultimate. Eclipse. Etc. And I certainly would take any reference to your designer working previously for Aftershock off of your site. If his hull design is the Aftershock design you might want to test it on the water a bit first. I've seen one of their hulls split in half on Lake Havasu and heard a story of another doing the same. Not sure if it was the hull design or the manufacturing (was he responsible for that too Wes?) but I almost made the mistake of buying one and am eternally grateful I didn't.
Mom????

Lightning
10-02-2004, 08:01 AM
So what did you guys think of the debates? :D

Rexone
10-02-2004, 08:11 AM
So what did you guys think of the debates? :D
I thought they were great. Wasn't Teresa's hair just fabulous? :D

Rexone
10-02-2004, 08:20 AM
Once again, the "ReckedOne" fails to respond to a challenge to support Bush.
Since I have a real job and don't spend time here on a regular basis and can at best glance back here on occasion to see if he (or anyone else) can support Bush then perhaps he didn't throw out the $1,000 challenge. I don't have time to go back and check either.
You have to be the most rude, ignorant, and condesending piece of work to come across ***boat for quite sometime. Figures you're an attorney. As I said elsewhere I have nothing further to say to you. Perhaps if you're so busy you should just skip ***boat altogether and enjoy your "real job". :idea:

Seadog
10-02-2004, 08:37 AM
Flyte Risk, I think you will find few here that don't laugh at your inability to see the truth in front of your nose. I could try to educate you, but you would have to grow up first. Needless to say, if anyone needs to get a clue, it is you and those few that do not see that greatness is not built on going with the flow of opinion polls, but by having the vision and the courage to build a future to be proud of. Look in a mirror. A reflection is not as clear as an original. The more you reflect public opinion, the more blurred the image.

kahanamoko
10-02-2004, 10:06 AM
I find great joy in saying that I won't be taking any advice from the ReckedOne. Rex Marine? Isn't that the business everyone was warning people about here a few months ago? Strange that he would think Girlystyle (aka Froggystyle) had me on anything. Not unlike the other mindless conservative drivel that I hear on this string. That I would be confused by the author of some of the earlier emails is testament to the lock-step (or is that goose-step) attitude of most conservative. Don't dare to express an independent thought or you'll be squashed and exiled from the group. I prefer to surround myself with clear, intelligent and independent thinking people that can see the weakness in the current president. That Girlystyle is no longer in the military is no surprise. Perhaps Daddy encouraged him to get out so that he could bankroll the current and soon to be failed boat project. Perhaps you should have stuck to something you know. Oh, wait, based on your comments here that would be NOTHING.
ReckedOne, not unlike many conservatives, lives only in the here and now. I doubt that other non-goosestepping thinkers haven't pissed him off before on this site but I guess I'm the flavor of the day for him. Good. Lest he forget, I'm an American. And a soldier (you know, the one you profess to support on your bumper sticker). And if he has a business (or is he a clerk?), then he undoubtedly has his own lawyer on retainer. At least if he's a smart businessman. Oh, wait, again we know that can't be the case. I'm sure if he looked a bit he could easily find another goose-stepping lawyer to represent his business when he gets sued for his crappy product.
A funny but true story. When someone gets reamed by an attorney in court, and then needs an attorney of his own somewhere down the line, it's not uncommon for the person to go seek out the "bastard" that took him to the cleaners earlier. Everyone likes an aggressive attorney when it's HIS aggressive attorney.
Like Bush. Hate Bush. Whatever. Haven't heard a single person on this site say anything to indicate they actually like the guy. It's just that he has that (R) after his name. That's all you idiots need. Right?

Rexone
10-02-2004, 10:49 AM
As I said before Mr hard of hearing K....
You have to be the most rude, ignorant, and condesending piece of work to come across ***boat for quite sometime. Figures you're an attorney. As I said elsewhere I have nothing further to say to you. Perhaps if you're so busy you should just skip ***boat altogether and enjoy your "real job". :idea:
Making false and untrue accusations / assumptions regarding myself, my business, froggy, froggy's business and calling everyone else names only makes you look more like the ass you are with each subsequent post you make. Have a great day Mr k. :)

Froggystyle
10-02-2004, 10:51 AM
I love this guy... :D

Jeanyus
10-02-2004, 10:59 AM
kahanamoko
Leave it to a lawer to think that he is doing something good, by representing a small business, who is being sued by another scumbag, and his scumbag lawer. If it wasn't for people like you, our society would not need people like you, to represent us.
You are the reason that it is incredibly expensive to do business in California.
You are the reason why healthcare is unafordable.
You are the parasite that is sucking the life out of our economy.
Next time you think your doing something good, just remember, your client is in a situation where he stands to loose everything he has worked for, because of your band of brothers.
You are partially correct, being a flaming jerk, is a good quailty in a lawer, but I would never hire any of the attorneys, that have sued me in the past because they all lost the lawsuits.
Well I could go on for years bashing attorneys, I get a lot of joy out if it becase they are such asses.
I have 1 big reason why I will vote for Bush JOHN KERRY ! Your slogan is anyone but Bush, my slogan anyone but Kerry.
If you are going to call conservitives goose steppers, let me remind you that there are hundreds of thousands conservitives, burried in France, that gave thier lives to stop goose steppers. A bigger sacrafice, than any of you so called non goose steppers, would ever consider making.
I wish to thank you for your service to our great country, and I breath a sigh of relief that you no longer represent America.
If you dislike America, why do you live here ?
I have some words of advice, stay away from cans of scum remover, if one of those cans should explode, and any of the contents should get on you, you will disolve.

Squirtin Thunder
10-02-2004, 11:25 AM
Jeanyus,
Man go smooth the bottom of your boat and relax. Holly hell cement man.
BTW- Only one????
Jim

Tom Brown
10-02-2004, 11:50 AM
Isn't that the business everyone was warning people about here a few months ago?
LMAO! The best defense is a good offense, right? :D
You know what would be even funnier is if Rex were to sue you for slander... and win. Perhaps you should leave the Rex Marine comments for those of us who have done business with them, dumbass. :D
I doubt that you could imagine how foolish you look. No way you're a lawyer. No way. :D
Like Bush. Hate Bush. Whatever. Haven't heard a single person on this site say anything to indicate they actually like the guy. It's just that he has that (R) after his name. That's all you idiots need. Right?
I find some wisedom in this piece of text. There are a lot of blind followers who wish to squelch all voices which don't match their own philosophy. We have seen countless examples of people who get angry and lash out when others won't get behind their philosophical ideas. That's how I view you, kahanamoko.
In the first debate, I saw two people, two philosophies, and two radically opposing views. They disagreed but maintained a level of respect. You know... like adults.
-- Tom :)

steelcomp
10-02-2004, 01:21 PM
Sea dog read the forum posts there are few opinions that are disagreeing here in my opinion!!! And what exactly did reagan do besides quadruple the deficet, Trade arms with Iran, and answer no pertinent questiones without being advised??????????????????????????????????????????? ??????????????????? BROTHER GET A CLUE BEFORE YOU VOTE IF YOU DO !!!!!!!
You are about as bright as the colors on your boat NOT!! READ your POST SMARTY You have said nadda!! And REX what qualify's Bush to lead our nation?? Let's see draft dodger, Alcoholic, drug addict Oh I forgot governor of WHERE???? DAVE C get informed than post again !!!!!!!!!! GOOD NIGHT
FR...where on EARTH do you guys come up with this stuff??? Why are you talking about Regan, other than you loosers still can't get over your hate for the man's success. Hate is a transparent thing, and even more so when it spews from mouth's such as your's, kakamoto's, and all the rest of you liberal hate mongers. Do you realize that Kerry's ENTIRE campaign has had nothing to do with HIS qualifications as president, because he has none. Not one. He has no leadership qualities. He has no record of accomplishment. He's been proven over and over to be a liar. His policies that are wrought off the cuff are insane, and obviously ill thought. Here we are thirty days out of the election, and he's FINALLY coming out with a (new/old/new again) policy on Iraq, which he has no way of explaining HOW he will enact, or get the money to support. He has NO credibility what so ever, and most of the people in this country see that. Even after the first Q/A session (not a debate, and clearly run in Kerry's favor) the polls show only one thing. That the people of this country think Kerry did a better job on television. But he didn't gain ONE point in the polls showing who will win the election. While Bush was touring the destruction in Fla and working his ass off, Kerry was getting a manicure and trying to wash some of that orange tan off! I could see Bush's frustration and amazement at Kerry. How can you answer to such stupidity and arrogance? How do you respond to someone who makes no sense at all? Kerry lied, bold faced some 17 times in that 90 min. The things Kerry said were nothing more than lip service to winning the election, and if there's anyone out there stupid enough to think this guy has an ounce of what it takes to run this country, they need to wake up. Kerry's claims of his military experience being a source of credibility is a joke, and that's the ONLY, single, disfunctional thing he's been able to run on. He was a ground pounder. Cannon fodder. Grunt. There were thousands like him there, and although I'm absolutely not degrading the service and sacrafice made by him or any of them, it dosen't serve as presedential qualification.
No, this election will serve to prove one thing. The absolute hatred for the right that the left has, and the unlimited lack of ethics and morals they have and will display in order to perpetuate their hatred, and that finally, good will prevail over evil. This election has nothing to do with electing Kerry. God almighty, if he's the best the libs have, what does that say? Even at that, even with all your rediculousness and hatred, your cantidate will loose. The majority of this country, be it electoral or actual, is speaking out and saying "we've had enough." 40 years your party has had majority rule. 40 yrs your party has had their agenda and policies put in place, and for 40 yrs, you've been degrading this country and what it stands for, and your time has come. You've accomplished nothing. Your social policies have failed. Your political policies have failed. Your fiscal policies have failed. The socialistic overtones of the lib agenda in this country have abondoned our children, desicrated our constitution, and "I" and "me" are the sole "politically correct" focus of right and wrong. There is no longer the concept of accountability. The trial lawyers run the asylum. The Tufted Tail Cangaroo Rat has more rights and protection than an unborn child, and I for one think it's a disgusting testimony to where the libs have brought this country. Now, you're time has come. You know it, and you're getting ugly defending it, but you're just bringing a knife to a gun fight, stupid!!
Don't worry, it'll all be over in about thirty days, and then you can find some other way to perpetuate your hatred. Or maybe you can just crawl back into the hole you crawled out of.
Good night? Good riddance!
:sleeping: :sleeping: :sleeping:
steel

Irishluck
10-02-2004, 01:38 PM
You are about as bright as the colors on your boat NOT!! READ your POST SMARTY You have said nadda!! And REX what qualify's Bush to lead our nation?? Let's see draft dodger, Alcoholic, drug addict Oh I forgot governor of WHERE???? DAVE C get informed than post again !!!!!!!!!! GOOD NIGHT
FR...where on EARTH do you guys come up with this stuff??? Why are you talking about Regan, other than you loosers still can't get over your hate for the man's success. Hate is a transparent thing, and even more so when it spews from mouth's such as your's, kakamoto's, and all the rest of you liberal hate mongers. Do you realize that Kerry's ENTIRE campaign has had nothing to do with HIS qualifications as president, because he has none. Not one. He has no leadership qualities. He has no record of accomplishment. He's been proven over and over to be a liar. His policies that are wrought off the cuff are insane, and obviously ill thought. Here we are thirty days out of the election, and he's FINALLY coming out with a (new/old/new again) policy on Iraq, which he has no way of explaining HOW he will enact, or get the money to support. He has NO credibility what so ever, and most of the people in this country see that. Even after the first Q/A session (not a debate, and clearly run in Kerry's favor) the polls show only one thing. That the people of this country think Kerry did a better job on television. But he didn't gain ONE point in the polls showing who will win the election. While Bush was touring the destruction in Fla and working his ass off, Kerry was getting a manicure and trying to wash some of that orange tan off! I could see Bush's frustration and amazement at Kerry. How can you answer to such stupidity and arrogance? How do you respond to someone who makes no sense at all? Kerry lied, bold faced some 17 times in that 90 min. The things Kerry said were nothing more than lip service to winning the election, and if there's anyone out there stupid enough to think this guy has an ounce of what it takes to run this country, they need to wake up. Kerry's claims of his military experience being a source of credibility is a joke, and that's the ONLY, single, disfunctional thing he's been able to run on. He was a ground pounder. Cannon fodder. Grunt. There were thousands like him there, and although I'm absolutely not degrading the service and sacrafice made by him or any of them, it dosen't serve as presedential qualification.
No, this election will serve to prove one thing. The absolute hatred for the right that the left has, and the unlimited lack of ethics and morals they have and will display in order to perpetuate their hatred, and that finally, good will prevail over evil. This election has nothing to do with electing Kerry. God almighty, if he's the best the libs have, what does that say? Even at that, even with all your rediculousness and hatred, your cantidate will loose. The majority of this country, be it electoral or actual, is speaking out and saying "we've had enough." 40 years your party has had majority rule. 40 yrs your party has had their agenda and policies put in place, and for 40 yrs, you've been degrading this country and what it stands for, and your time has come. You've accomplished nothing. Your social policies have failed. Your political policies have failed. Your fiscal policies have failed. The socialistic overtones of the lib agenda in this country have abondoned our children, desicrated our constitution, and "I" and "me" are the sole "politically correct" focus of right and wrong. There is no longer the concept of accountability. The trial lawyers run the asylum. The Tufted Tail Cangaroo Rat has more rights and protection than an unborn child, and I for one think it's a disgusting testimony to where the libs have brought this country. Now, you're time has come. You know it, and you're getting ugly defending it.
Good riddance!
steel
Amen Brother, The more kerry speaks the more liberal he sounds, like telling a crowd today that the only people that have benefited from Bushs tax cuts are Haliburton and Enron. This guy is an evil man and his wife or whatever she is make me want to puke.

RealDarthPoncho
10-02-2004, 03:17 PM
On September 21, 2001, President George W. Bush issued a proclamation to a Joint Session of Congress, the American People, and the World. In part it read:
“Our response involves far more than instant retaliation and isolated strikes. Americans should not expect one battle, but a lengthy campaign, unlike any other we have ever seen. It may include dramatic strikes, visible on TV, and covert operations, secret even in success. We will starve terrorists of funding, turn them one against another, drive them from place to place, until there is no refuge or no rest. And we will pursue nations that provide aid or safe haven to terrorism. Every nation, in every region, now has a decision to make. Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists. (Applause.) From this day forward, any nation that continues to harbor or support terrorism will be regarded by the United States as a hostile regime.
Our nation has been put on notice: We are not immune from attack. We will take defensive measures against terrorism to protect Americans.”
The message in this proclamation from the President is very clear. Congress agreed with this proclamation by giving the President authorization to conduct war on terror, were ever terror against the United States exists. It was clear that no nation’s interests would be appeased by the President when a terror threat was involved. Before the war in Iraq a broad international, bipartisan, consensus was reached that Saddam Hussein had the capacity to develop and use weapons of mass destruction. The Clinton administration came to that same conclusion. The United Nations had come to the same conclusion. The events of September 11, 2001, simply made it necessary for President Bush and his administration to do something about it. At no time did President Bush promise to form an international coalition to stop terrorist threats against America. He said any nation that stands with the terrorist’s will suffer the calamities of war. Saddam Hussein and his regime clearly stood on side with terrorism and no matter how mild, they were a threat. Some of our founders were still involved with the government during the War of 1812 and they charged a General with treason, cowardice, and Dereliction of Duty, for failing to protect people considered foreign nationals of a declared enemy; so I have to wonder how they would handle a President who fails to protect the American citizens after issuing a proclamation to do so. How would they view Democrats of the left who wish the United States followed the United Nations in continuing to appease Saddam Hussein until he directly attacked America? Allowing the United Nations power to decide on how we implement our foreign and domestic policy, gives that Union and foreign nations (including our enemies) the power to dictate, both foreign and domestic policy of the United States. That is not always in the United States best interest as a sovereign nation and could lead to us being attacked. Our founders wrote our Constitution to ensure that no government body or foreign nation ruled over we the people of the United States. John Kerry by his own admission has discussed what foreign nations want from him as President and what they want the United States to be; John Kerry will give us over to the UN and form an America on what foreign leaders want us to be! The choice is clear, President George W. Bush who will continue to lead America as the founders intended. VIVA BUSH!!!!

Irishluck
10-02-2004, 03:28 PM
I just looked at a couple of polls and Kerry has a 3 point lead over Bush. My question to America is this what the **** are you ****ing thinking? :mad: :mad: What the hell does Kerry stand for?

Dave C
10-02-2004, 03:30 PM
hmm informed eh?
re taxes... I'm an accountant so I would say that I'm well informed on taxes (yes SS taxes above aprox $24,000 became taxable in 1993)..
re: n Korea... ain't it obvious that they have a million man army just a few miles from Seoul. do I need to get a map out and measure it for you?
re; Stem Cell research. If I'm not mistaken, the Hughes Institute has devoted millions of dollars of research to stem cell research. Didn't you see that on 60 minutes?
thems the facts. sorry if you don't like it!
You are about as bright as the colors on your boat NOT!! READ your POST SMARTY You have said nadda!! And REX what qualify's Bush to lead our nation?? Let's see draft dodger, Alcoholic, drug addict Oh I forgot governor of WHERE???? DAVE C get informed than post again !!!!!!!!!! GOOD NIGHT :squiggle: :coffeycup :p

FLYTE RISK
10-02-2004, 03:36 PM
You are about as bright as the colors on your boat NOT!! READ your POST SMARTY You have said nadda!! And REX what qualify's Bush to lead our nation?? Let's see draft dodger, Alcoholic, drug addict Oh I forgot governor of WHERE???? DAVE C get informed than post again !!!!!!!!!! GOOD NIGHT
FR...where on EARTH do you guys come up with this stuff??? Why are you talking about Regan, other than you loosers still can't get over your hate for the man's success. Hate is a transparent thing, and even more so when it spews from mouth's such as your's, kakamoto's, and all the rest of you liberal hate mongers. Do you realize that Kerry's ENTIRE campaign has had nothing to do with HIS qualifications as president, because he has none. Not one. He has no leadership qualities. He has no record of accomplishment. He's been proven over and over to be a liar. His policies that are wrought off the cuff are insane, and obviously ill thought. Here we are thirty days out of the election, and he's FINALLY coming out with a (new/old/new again) policy on Iraq, which he has no way of explaining HOW he will enact, or get the money to support. He has NO credibility what so ever, and most of the people in this country see that. Even after the first Q/A session (not a debate, and clearly run in Kerry's favor) the polls show only one thing. That the people of this country think Kerry did a better job on television. But he didn't gain ONE point in the polls showing who will win the election. While Bush was touring the destruction in Fla and working his ass off, Kerry was getting a manicure and trying to wash some of that orange tan off! I could see Bush's frustration and amazement at Kerry. How can you answer to such stupidity and arrogance? How do you respond to someone who makes no sense at all? Kerry lied, bold faced some 17 times in that 90 min. The things Kerry said were nothing more than lip service to winning the election, and if there's anyone out there stupid enough to think this guy has an ounce of what it takes to run this country, they need to wake up. Kerry's claims of his military experience being a source of credibility is a joke, and that's the ONLY, single, disfunctional thing he's been able to run on. He was a ground pounder. Cannon fodder. Grunt. There were thousands like him there, and although I'm absolutely not degrading the service and sacrafice made by him or any of them, it dosen't serve as presedential qualification.
No, this election will serve to prove one thing. The absolute hatred for the right that the left has, and the unlimited lack of ethics and morals they have and will display in order to perpetuate their hatred, and that finally, good will prevail over evil. This election has nothing to do with electing Kerry. God almighty, if he's the best the libs have, what does that say? Even at that, even with all your rediculousness and hatred, your cantidate will loose. The majority of this country, be it electoral or actual, is speaking out and saying "we've had enough." 40 years your party has had majority rule. 40 yrs your party has had their agenda and policies put in place, and for 40 yrs, you've been degrading this country and what it stands for, and your time has come. You've accomplished nothing. Your social policies have failed. Your political policies have failed. Your fiscal policies have failed. The socialistic overtones of the lib agenda in this country have abondoned our children, desicrated our constitution, and "I" and "me" are the sole "politically correct" focus of right and wrong. There is no longer the concept of accountability. The trial lawyers run the asylum. The Tufted Tail Cangaroo Rat has more rights and protection than an unborn child, and I for one think it's a disgusting testimony to where the libs have brought this country. Now, you're time has come. You know it, and you're getting ugly defending it, but you're just bringing a knife to a gun fight, stupid!!
Don't worry, it'll all be over in about thirty days, and then you can find some other way to perpetuate your hatred. Or maybe you can just crawl back into the hole you crawled out of.
Good night? Good riddance!
:sleeping: :sleeping: :sleeping:
steel Sooo let me get this straight where was there any hatred or anger in any of my post's?? Because someone diasagree's with you and most (obviously) on this thread I am labeled un american and angry??? Steel comp REREAD MY POST before lashing out and answer some pertinent questiones!! And wasnt Kerry defending his country in Vietnam and a ground pounder at that-- WHERE WAS BUSH?? Steel C your rhetoric is quite entertaining , and outlandish, please read a little more about your choice for candidate and you may wake up !!!! Your right you have taken this right left thing to an extreme god bless america for giving US the right to agree and diagree in a public forum!!!! I would say good night but obviously you have been sleeping for quite some time!! Good morning!!! :cool:

steelcomp
10-02-2004, 03:43 PM
I just looked at a couple of polls and Kerry has a 3 point lead over Bush. My question to America is this what the **** are you ****ing thinking? :mad: :mad: What the hell does Kerry stand for?
Which poll? Which state? which topic? which polling service? There are literally hundreds out there. The day after the debate, every poll that I heard except one showed bush still ahead, and that one was the pole asking who won the debate. Across the board people said Kerry did, but for reasons like "he looked more professional", or "he was better rehearsed...spoke more clearly". Nothing related to the content of the debate. You'll also notice that none of the media covered anything Bush said, they only had pictures of his facial expressions as Kerry was lying. Why? They have no arguement with anything Bush said. Besides, when you really think about it, who cares who won the debate?
Polls are useless information, typically biased in the direction of the polling party. I wouldn't get too excited about poll info. It's about as accurate and dependable as the main stream media.
Let not your heart be troubled.

steelcomp
10-02-2004, 04:53 PM
Sooo let me get this straight where was there any hatred or anger in any of my post's?? Because someone diasagree's with you and most (obviously) on this thread I am labeled un american and angry??? Steel comp REREAD MY POST before lashing out and answer some pertinent questiones!! And wasnt Kerry defending his country in Vietnam and a ground pounder at that-- WHERE WAS BUSH?? Steel C your rhetoric is quite entertaining , and outlandish, please read a little more about your choice for candidate and you may wake up !!!! Your right you have taken this right left thing to an extreme god bless america for giving US the right to agree and diagree in a public forum!!!! I would say good night but obviously you have been sleeping for quite some time!! Good morning!!! :cool:
I've read many of your posts (here and on other threads) and you have a habit of coming across attacking and sarcastic and insulting. Maybe you don't even realize it. You don't simply disagree. When you align yourself with those who have socialistic agendas...ie: the liberal left, you will be labeled by me and others as unamerican, and a threat to what we believe this country is, has been founded on, an stands for.
I've read a great deal about Bush, and through that have a great deal of respect for him. Have you any idea what it takes to become a Navy pilot? I doubt it, or you couldn't say what you do, and even come close to comparing Bush to Kerry.
FYI...I served in transportation brigade, Ft. Eustis, VA. as a 67T, crewchief on Blackhawks. Fortunately, I joined in peace time, but always knew that I was ultimately at the Military's disposal. I know military aviation. I wanted to be a Navy pilot, but ended up in Army aviation. Just as well. There's a mentality in Career Military that I didn't get along with. So be it.
As far as Kerry is concerned,
I don't consider taking four months to prepare your political career, getting your three self appointed purple hearts for a couple of scratches and for rice in the ass, and opting out of the military as fast as humanly possible, as protecting anything but his own agenda. Obviously when he got back he couldn't have given a shit about this country or those who were there really fighting...and dying. If I was a 'Nam vet, I'd hunt his worthless lying ass down and kick it real bad. Does that sound angry? I'm not the only one. And you support this guy? His arrogance is unmatched.
NO one can say Kerry has anything to run on. He's just plain and simply not qualified. So why don't you just admit that your vote for Kerry is just a vote against Bush. Have the balls to tell the truth.
Pertinate questions?
Stem cell research. The Bush administration has nothing aganist adult stem cell research. It's fetal (or embryonic) SC research that they're against, and the harvesting of fetuses through the abortion clinics. And FYI, there has been none, zero, nada, contribution to any progress in stem cell healing from fetal cells. ALL the advances that have come from SC research have come from adult cells. Fetal cells are just not necessary.
I'll just ditto what's been said here before about N. Korea and taxes.
Regan and the cold war...what part of that don't you understand? Regan and the economy...what part of that don't you understand? There's nothing that Regan did that we're "paying for today" that the democrats after him didn't screw up. Clinton approved the highest increase in taxes in recent history, and threw this country into a recession that Bush inherited. Carter was about as stupid as they get, and had us at 24% interest rates!
The economy is strong, now, and growth keeps exceeding expectations. We haven't been attacked again since 9/11. There's respect and dignity back in the White house, not disgusting juvinile behavior as in the Clinton admin.
Why don't you just address some of the "general" issues I raised about what's taken place in the last forty years. Tell me how this country is better off after 40 yrs of liberal policies and agenda? Tell me the success of welfare, and how guys like Jesse Jackson and the NAACP have benefitted the blacks. Tell me about the success of groups like Planned Parenthood, who promote abortion. Explain to me how Judges can abolish Christian prayer in schools, and references to God, (ignoring the constitution) but promote and allow classes teaching the Muslim religion. Tell me how a 13 yr old girl can be taken out of school and to Planned Parenthood by her 17 yr old boyfriend for an abortion with no notification required of the parents and no police report filed by PP. Tell me how the gov't can come on a man's private property and declare it "protected" and render it useless to him because of some environmental whacko's useless existance.
Please tell me on what accomplishments or qualifications you are going to vote for Kerry? How do you think he's qualified to be president? I don't want to hear comparing him to Bush, just by standing on his own two feet. Let's talk about his contributions as a Senator. Let's talk about the bills he's passed or written or even sponsored. Hell, let's just talk about his attendance.
Let's talk about his steadfast resolution on Iraq. Let's talk about his fiscal agenda, and what he's going to do to benefit the economy. Let's talk about his social policies, like health care, and illegals, and how he's going to make this a better country for those in need and the rest of us, as well.
You mention Bush's name ONCE in this comparison, you prove my point.
Go ahead, I'm waiting. I'd venture a guess there's a few of us here that are interested in your answers.

Seadog
10-02-2004, 05:36 PM
Steelcomp, I admire your elequence. We need a President that does not go to the UN, hat in hand and asks permission from an organization that cannot even come to a conclusion that the murder of 1.2 million in a country by its government and paralegal militias can be considered genocide.
As for the remark that conservatives goosestep to the party line, that is the liberals way. I will normally vote Republican, but I have and will vote for any party representative that I feel is the best choice. Asmuch as I want to vote the Republican ticket next month, I will not be able to support their choice in Oklahoma to replace Nickles. All of the moderates got lost in the extremist votes in the preliminaries and the choice I have is not acceptable. The Democrat is a moderate with a fair track record, even if he is a party man.
Anyone that considers Kerry a war hero has never served in combat. Being a hero is nothing more than a good soldier in a bad situation. Kerry was never a good soldier (or swabbie or whatever) because he betrayed the troops in Vietnam. His entire track record is one of screw the troops and sucking up to those who would promote his political ambitions.

Boy Named Sue
10-02-2004, 05:40 PM
That last post was extraordinary. Concise, accurate and to the point. Flyte wrote about fifty words of hysteria and got back 1500 in rebuttal. I'm not sure who's winning here.
If you're smart, you'll vote JOhn KErry

FLYTE RISK
10-03-2004, 06:20 AM
I've read many of your posts (here and on other threads) and you have a habit of coming across attacking and sarcastic and insulting. Maybe you don't even realize it. You don't simply disagree. When you align yourself with those who have socialistic agendas...ie: the liberal left, you will be labeled by me and others as unamerican, and a threat to what we believe this country is, has been founded on, an stands for.
I've read a great deal about Bush, and through that have a great deal of respect for him. Have you any idea what it takes to become a Navy pilot? I doubt it, or you couldn't say what you do, and even come close to comparing Bush to Kerry.
FYI...I served in transportation brigade, Ft. Eustis, VA. as a 67T, crewchief on Blackhawks. Fortunately, I joined in peace time, but always knew that I was ultimately at the Military's disposal. I know military aviation. I wanted to be a Navy pilot, but ended up in Army aviation. Just as well. There's a mentality in Career Military that I didn't get along with. So be it.
As far as Kerry is concerned,
I don't consider taking four months to prepare your political career, getting your three self appointed purple hearts for a couple of scratches and for rice in the ass, and opting out of the military as fast as humanly possible, as protecting anything but his own agenda. Obviously when he got back he couldn't have given a shit about this country or those who were there really fighting...and dying. If I was a 'Nam vet, I'd hunt his worthless lying ass down and kick it real bad. Does that sound angry? I'm not the only one. And you support this guy? His arrogance is unmatched.
NO one can say Kerry has anything to run on. He's just plain and simply not qualified. So why don't you just admit that your vote for Kerry is just a vote against Bush. Have the balls to tell the truth.
Pertinate questions?
Stem cell research. The Bush administration has nothing aganist adult stem cell research. It's fetal (or embryonic) SC research that they're against, and the harvesting of fetuses through the abortion clinics. And FYI, there has been none, zero, nada, contribution to any progress in stem cell healing from fetal cells. ALL the advances that have come from SC research have come from adult cells. Fetal cells are just not necessary.
I'll just ditto what's been said here before about N. Korea and taxes.
Regan and the cold war...what part of that don't you understand? Regan and the economy...what part of that don't you understand? There's nothing that Regan did that we're "paying for today" that the democrats after him didn't screw up. Clinton approved the highest increase in taxes in recent history, and threw this country into a recession that Bush inherited. Carter was about as stupid as they get, and had us at 24% interest rates!
The economy is strong, now, and growth keeps exceeding expectations. We haven't been attacked again since 9/11. There's respect and dignity back in the White house, not disgusting juvinile behavior as in the Clinton admin.
Why don't you just address some of the "general" issues I raised about what's taken place in the last forty years. Tell me how this country is better off after 40 yrs of liberal policies and agenda? Tell me the success of welfare, and how guys like Jesse Jackson and the NAACP have benefitted the blacks. Tell me about the success of groups like Planned Parenthood, who promote abortion. Explain to me how Judges can abolish Christian prayer in schools, and references to God, (ignoring the constitution) but promote and allow classes teaching the Muslim religion. Tell me how a 13 yr old girl can be taken out of school and to Planned Parenthood by her 17 yr old boyfriend for an abortion with no notification required of the parents and no police report filed by PP. Tell me how the gov't can come on a man's private property and declare it "protected" and render it useless to him because of some environmental whacko's useless existance.
Please tell me on what accomplishments or qualifications you are going to vote for Kerry? How do you think he's qualified to be president? I don't want to hear comparing him to Bush, just by standing on his own two feet. Let's talk about his contributions as a Senator. Let's talk about the bills he's passed or written or even sponsored. Hell, let's just talk about his attendance.
Let's talk about his steadfast resolution on Iraq. Let's talk about his fiscal agenda, and what he's going to do to benefit the economy. Let's talk about his social policies, like health care, and illegals, and how he's going to make this a better country for those in need and the rest of us, as well.
You mention Bush's name ONCE in this comparison, you prove my point.
Go ahead, I'm waiting. I'd venture a guess there's a few of us here that are interested in your answers. I see we are still sleeping!! :sleeping: :sleeping:

FLYTE RISK
10-03-2004, 06:29 AM
Have we awoken ?? What do ya think in 2 lines or less about the union's and the americans who work in them??? And my brother save the rhetoric and threats because they do not work.. Beleive ME!! :rollside: :rollside:

steelcomp
10-03-2004, 07:43 AM
Have we awoken ?? What do ya think in 2 lines or less about the union's and the americans who work in them??? And my brother save the rhetoric and threats because they do not work.. Beleive ME!! :rollside: :rollside:
Sleeping? Have I awoken? Why the insults? Are you that much of a child?
Rhetoric and threats? WTF?? :cry: :cry: :rolleyes: How unbelievably predictable and typical of you.
I would have bet a month's pay you wouldn't answer. I rest my case.
Unions? WHICH unions?
IMO. in general, the unions are a joke any more, and I feel sorry for the working guy/gal who still thinks that the union has their best interest at hand.
I really don't know much about the unions, since I have spent my working life in construction, fabrication, and the automotive industry. I choose to think for myself.
Now Flyte, the questions I asked above aren't very difficult. I wrote them very slowly so you could read them and understand them. I realize that being the liberal that you are you probably CHOKE on most of them, but take the time, and simply respond to what I wrote.
Or not. I could care less. I already know your answers.
Rhetoric and threats...it's interesting that you chose those two words. They are absolutely the two most commonly used methods the libs use to get people's attention. Gloom and doom, and blah blah blah. Kinda like you. Thanks for helping prove my point. You're all right!!! :D

Jeanyus
10-03-2004, 08:09 AM
Have we awoken ?? What do ya think in 2 lines or less about the union's and the americans who work in them??? And my brother save the rhetoric and threats because they do not work.. Beleive ME!! :rollside: :rollside:
I don't feel good about paying wealthy people, to tell where I can and cannot work. The unions are corrupt, and connected to the mob, just ask Jimmy Hoffa.
You get to keep paying your dues even when you are laid off.
If houses were built with union labor, you would not be able to afford one, if you were making union wages.

FLYTE RISK
10-03-2004, 01:15 PM
Well since you asked, let's begin Stem cell research--The thought of curing ill stricken people with diseases, children and unborn children of retardation cancer etc. in my opinion should be number 1 on any candidates agenda... Th fact that he caters to a select few religous right is ridiculous, and where are these fetuses going anyhow?? God forbid you or anyone you know became afflicted with a life threatening ailment that this research potentially coul cure.. Is this playng GOD i think not it is evolving research which could save millions of lives in this world.. REAGAN (rest his soul) let's see under his watch we saw the defecit raise higher than any other president's combined.. I am sure the airtraffic controllers who save lives every day would have something to say.... CLINTO-- will we saw the largest economic growth under his watch not to mention the stock market boom and all the money you and I have made it still reman's unparalleld!!! Never a breach of security on our land under his term!! I need not mention your candidates record on either!! Your candidates qualificationes Hmm the Lt. GOV. basically runs texas ohhh that is why he had 3 out of 4 years during his term to campaigne for president!! Shall we talk about Enron and his direct or indirect relationship with Kenneth Lay or Shilling, Or maybe Harkin oil which he was involved with and like Entron all those people losing there money for a few already well of to prosper??? There are several book's out written by former aides and collegues of your candidte.. John dean's Worst than Watergate, Dick clark as well.. Maybe you should spend a little more time reading prior to voting as it will do us all good!! GOD BLESS AMERICA YOU AND YOUR FAMILY

FLYTE RISK
10-03-2004, 01:22 PM
By the way I have a buisness trip to pack for soooooo good night!! This could go on for century's and as history goes it does repeat itself!!! Oh one morething was'nt your candidate against the 911 commitee?? And have we found weapons of Mass destruction or hell even Bin laden?? My freind I vote for who will benefit me my beleifs and family first not because I am registered R OR D... And I do not beleive in everything either stand for, but at least we as americans have a choice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Squirtin Thunder
10-03-2004, 01:33 PM
I find it hard to believe that the day after G.W. Bush took office we suddenly had a huge deficet. I think that Clinton was hidding something, HMMMMMMM, besides is extra flings. I wander how many others he had.
Just remember He does everything he says, and he thinks Joke is a flake.
Jim

steelcomp
10-03-2004, 03:02 PM
Well since you asked, let's begin Stem cell research--The thought of curing ill stricken people with diseases, children and unborn children of retardation cancer etc. in my opinion should be number 1 on any candidates agenda... Th fact that he caters to a select few religous right is ridiculous, and where are these fetuses going anyhow?? God forbid you or anyone you know became afflicted with a life threatening ailment that this research potentially coul cure.. Is this playng GOD i think not it is evolving research which could save millions of lives in this world.. REAGAN (rest his soul) let's see under his watch we saw the defecit raise higher than any other president's combined.. I am sure the airtraffic controllers who save lives every day would have something to say.... CLINTO-- will we saw the largest economic growth under his watch not to mention the stock market boom and all the money you and I have made it still reman's unparalleld!!! Never a breach of security on our land under his term!! I need not mention your candidates record on either!! Your candidates qualificationes Hmm the Lt. GOV. basically runs texas ohhh that is why he had 3 out of 4 years during his term to campaigne for president!! Shall we talk about Enron and his direct or indirect relationship with Kenneth Lay or Shilling, Or maybe Harkin oil which he was involved with and like Entron all those people losing there money for a few already well of to prosper??? There are several book's out written by former aides and collegues of your candidte.. John dean's Worst than Watergate, Dick clark as well.. Maybe you should spend a little more time reading prior to voting as it will do us all good!! GOD BLESS AMERICA YOU AND YOUR FAMILY
You still didn't, nor can you address the issues I raiased. (You're addressing your own biased opinion which you have already formed, ill informed as you are) You still haven't given one good reason to vote FOR Kerry, that is related to his qualifications.
You can't. I told you you couldn't. I knew you couldn't say anything without mentioning Bush's name.
Blah blah blah. You're a liberal parrot. You should try reading some material besides that which supports your own agenda. Expand your mind and knowledge. You clearly don't listen past your own ideas, or read past them. Here's a perfect example. I said the Bush administration is in full support of adult stem cell research, from which has come ALL (That's 100%) the advancements of SCR. There have been NO contributions to stem cell research from embryonic stem cells. So for you to blah blah blah about the need for SCR to be first on the list, as if there's NO choice BUT ESRC (embryonic stem cell research), you sound just like the liberal media. They absolutely refuse to admit or even report that fact. Why should we give the abortionists even more ground to stand on, when there's no need for it in the first place? LIke I said, a freekin rat has more rights and protection in this country than an unborn child, and if you can't see the wrong in that, you're just another self absorbed liberal son of a....um...someone help me here. I can't even finish the sentence. :devil:
That's a perfect example of your kind of reasoning. You're not informed, you parrot a bunch of main stream media drabble without having a clue as to the real truth, and then when someone tells you the truth of a situation, you just ignore it in order to support your agenda. Case of mouth covering ears.
Pretty intelligent way to form your opinions.
Keep typing, flytrisk. I really admire your devotion to your ideals, and I really appreciate all that you write...helps me really undestand why I have the positions I do.
Air Traffic controllers...another case of a greedy union trying to use it's power to hold the consumer hostage. Thank God there was a president with the balls to tell 'em to shove it.
Clinton...never a breach of security on our land? 'Course not...he was too busy sucking up to the Chinese and selling out our country and our nuclear secrets. "Course, they were bombing the shit out of our Embasys and what about the SS Cole? No action taken except to lob a few missles more as a distraction from his escapades than anything else. Clinton's legacy will definately not reflect his economic success. LIke I said, by the time Bush took office, we were already in a recession. Clinton was a bold faced liar, draft dodger, dope smoker, womanizer, adulteror...all self admitted (eventually, after his lies wouldn't stand up.) He was an embarassment to the office of president, and a disgusting example of what the leadership of this country should represent. But hey, he was cool, right! :supp:
What year was the first attack on the WTC?
BTW...we've found all sorts of evidence of WMD's and WMD's themselves, but you don't hear about that, either. It's been proven that Saadam was buying uranium from Lybia, but you don't hear about that, either. Kerry even said Saadam needed to go, and that he was a threat. The WMD issue is pretty weak, but I understand. It's OK. Seeing your political party taking it's last gasping breaths can surely bring out desperation.
You're right...this can go on for centuries, so,
Have a trip.

FLYTE RISK
10-03-2004, 05:31 PM
You still didn't, nor can you address the issues I raiased. (You're addressing your own biased opinion which you have already formed, ill informed as you are) You still haven't given one good reason to vote FOR Kerry, that is related to his qualifications.
You can't. I told you you couldn't. I knew you couldn't say anything without mentioning Bush's name.
Blah blah blah. You're a liberal parrot. You should try reading some material besides that which supports your own agenda. Expand your mind and knowledge. You clearly don't listen past your own ideas, or read past them. Here's a perfect example. I said the Bush administration is in full support of adult stem cell research, from which has come ALL (That's 100%) the advancements of SCR. There have been NO contributions to stem cell research from embryonic stem cells. So for you to blah blah blah about the need for SCR to be first on the list, as if there's NO choice BUT ESRC (embryonic stem cell research), you sound just like the liberal media. They absolutely refuse to admit or even report that fact. Why should we give the abortionists even more ground to stand on, when there's no need for it in the first place? LIke I said, a freekin rat has more rights and protection in this country than an unborn child, and if you can't see the wrong in that, you're just another self absorbed liberal son of a....um...someone help me here. I can't even finish the sentence. :devil:
That's a perfect example of your kind of reasoning. You're not informed, you parrot a bunch of main stream media drabble without having a clue as to the real truth, and then when someone tells you the truth of a situation, you just ignore it in order to support your agenda. Case of mouth covering ears.
Pretty intelligent way to form your opinions.
Keep typing, flytrisk. I really admire your devotion to your ideals, and I really appreciate all that you write...helps me really undestand why I have the positions I do.
Air Traffic controllers...another case of a greedy union trying to use it's power to hold the consumer hostage. Thank God there was a president with the balls to tell 'em to shove it.
Clinton...never a breach of security on our land? 'Course not...he was too busy sucking up to the Chinese and selling out our country and our nuclear secrets. "Course, they were bombing the shit out of our Embasys and what about the SS Cole? No action taken except to lob a few missles more as a distraction from his escapades than anything else. Clinton's legacy will definately not reflect his economic success. LIke I said, by the time Bush took office, we were already in a recession. Clinton was a bold faced liar, draft dodger, dope smoker, womanizer, adulteror...all self admitted (eventually, after his lies wouldn't stand up.) He was an embarassment to the office of president, and a disgusting example of what the leadership of this country should represent. But hey, he was cool, right! :supp:
What year was the first attack on the WTC?
BTW...we've found all sorts of evidence of WMD's and WMD's themselves, but you don't hear about that, either. It's been proven that Saadam was buying uranium from Lybia, but you don't hear about that, either. Kerry even said Saadam needed to go, and that he was a threat. The WMD issue is pretty weak, but I understand. It's OK. Seeing your political party taking it's last gasping breaths can surely bring out desperation.
You're right...this can go on for centuries, so,
Have a trip. What weapons And how are you privvy to this info.. and nooneelse????Draft dodger HMMM pot callin the kettle black at least was'nt clinton a rhodes scholar?? What was Bush a c- at best??? For you to get on this forum and attempt to act like god Makes me SICK!!! You are an absolute joke I answered your questiones as you asked who the hell do you think you are to impose YOUR opinion on me or anyone else???Typical, uninformed .. The books I mentioned were written by his own people!!!!!! And no say what you will under Clintons watch there was never any overt attack on this country...And you are acusing me of an opinion based reply?? Your rebuttal is FACTLESS period... As far as abortion I personally do not condone it for anyone but IT IS A RIGHT, right now......... You sound like the other right wing version of KHAMOKO Take a deep breath put down the moonshine and read your unsubstantiated post!!! By the way the real TRUTH ids obviuosly as the record states NOT HOW YOU SEE IT

FLYTE RISK
10-03-2004, 05:35 PM
By the way which books should I read to inform myself?? As I am sure you know SIGNED THE UNINFORUMED FLYTE RISK :sleeping: By the way when I fly I damn sure hope there are competent people manning those towers not minimum wage bozo's or illegals.. I cannott there are people who beleive the things you preach!!! Go unions!!! Funny thing is I am not even in one, but have been>>............

steelcomp
10-03-2004, 05:39 PM
What weapons And how are you privvy to this info.. and nooneelse????Draft dodger HMMM pot callin the kettle black at least was'nt clinton a rhodes scholar?? What was Bush a c- at best??? For you to get on this forum and attempt to act like god Makes me SICK!!! You are an absolute joke I answered your questiones as you asked who the hell do you think you are to impose YOUR opinion on me or anyone else???Typical, uninformed .. The books I mentioned were written by his own people!!!!!! And no say what you will under Clintons watch there was never any overt attack on this country...And you are acusing me of an opinion based reply?? Your rebuttal is FACTLESS period... As far as abortion I personally do not condone it for anyone but IT IS A RIGHT, right now......... You sound like the other right wing version of KHAMOKO Take a deep breath put down the moonshine and read your unsubstantiated post!!! By the way the real TRUTH ids obviuosly as the record states NOT HOW YOU SEE IT
blah blah blah :rolleyes:

Jeanyus
10-03-2004, 05:40 PM
By the way which books should I read to inform myself?? As I am sure you know SIGNED THE UNINFORUMED FLYTE RISK :sleeping: By the way when I fly I damn sure hope there are competent people manning those towers not minimum wage bozo's or illegals.. I cannott there are people who beleive the things you preach!!! Go unions!!! Funny thing is I am not even in one, but have been>>............
I thought you were going on vacation, good riddens.

steelcomp
10-03-2004, 05:41 PM
By the way which books should I read to inform myself?? As I am sure you know SIGNED THE UNINFORUMED FLYTE RISK :sleeping: By the way when I fly I damn sure hope there are competent people manning those towers not minimum wage bozo's or illegals.. I cannott there are people who beleive the things you preach!!! Go unions!!! Funny thing is I am not even in one, but have been>>............
blah blah blah :sleeping: :sleeping:

FLYTE RISK
10-03-2004, 05:48 PM
blah blah blah :rolleyes: My point exactly go read a book!! Good night :idea:

FLYTE RISK
10-03-2004, 06:04 PM
One last thing I was at Ming with one of my boats , to bad we could not have met as I have argued with you before!! My boat was sitting next to P.G.F lost wages on the fence next to the in ramp.. Right across from Dago red, a white with red metal flake yellow and orange runner bottom Hondo.. Not that I had time but I wish you would have introduced yourself.....

Jeanyus
10-03-2004, 06:07 PM
One last thing I was at Ming with one of my boats , to bad we could not have met as I have argued with you before!! My boat was sitting next to P.G.F lost wages on the fence next to the in ramp.. Right across from Dago red, a white with red metal flake yellow and orange runner bottom Hondo.. Not that I had time but I wish you would have introduced yourself.....
I like it better when you just say bla bla bla.

FLYTE RISK
10-03-2004, 06:09 PM
I like it better when you just say bla bla bla. Well if I had a jet boat I would probably say the same thing!!

Jeanyus
10-03-2004, 06:16 PM
Well if I had a jet boat I would probably say the same thing!!
Ouch!
But I do like better when you say Bla Bla Bla. :D :D :D ;) :boxingguy

steelcomp
10-03-2004, 06:43 PM
And no say what you will under Clintons watch there was never any overt attack on this country...And you are acusing me of an opinion based reply??
So what do you call the attack on the SS Cole? We must have imagined that, and for you to ignore that just proves my point. What about the Marine baracks that was bombed? How many of our soldiers died there? Guess that was a case of mistaken identity.
By the way when I fly I damn sure hope there are competent people manning those towers not minimum wage bozo's or illegals..
You think the union is going to guarantee this not happening? Boy, you're naive. Go union? Unions suck!
Draft dodger HMMM pot callin the kettle black at least was'nt clinton a rhodes scholar?? What was Bush a c- at best???
Yes, draft dodger. Clinton avoided the military, never set foot in anything military. Ran like the CS he is. Rhodes Scholar? Figures that would impress you. LIke I said, you don't have a clue as to what it takes to become a Navy Pilot. George has bigger balls than I do.
Truth? You can't handle the truth! :D
I'm not trying to impose anything on you here. Why are you being so defensive? I'm stating things as I see them, and THOROUGHLY disagreeing with your perception and your version of the "truth", and I bet there's a WHOLE lot more people here who agree with me than do you. You'd probably like to be able to shut me up, but that's not going to happen. You and those who think as you do are a threat to what I believe in, what I believe this country stands for, and what this country was founded on. You haven't yet answered the real questions I raised about what the last 40 yrs of liberalism has cost this country, and I knew you wouldn't. You can't. I haven't met a lib who can, or will. You haven't given ONE reason why Kerry is a better man for president, without mentioning Bush. Kerry can't even do that for himself without lying. But you manage to pull up all this irellevant stuff about Bush, Clinton, Regan, etc. Semantics. (Do you know what that is?)
I cannott (believe) there are people who beleive the things you preach!!!
Sure you can! I know for a fact that there are people who believe as you do. The world is full of them, and it makes it a pretty lousy place to live sometimes.
I'm not goping to waste any more of my time or yours here. It's been great getting your view on things as they are. I respect your right to your opinion, and the free expression thereof. Un fortunately, many of the people you align yourself with as a liberal don't share that same respect.
Have a good trip, and be safe.

Jeanyus
10-03-2004, 06:48 PM
The reason I like Bla Bla Bla, is that it sounds more inteligent than saying things about what a good president Clinton was. Bill Clintons presidency can be sumed up in one word, blowjob! Now theres a claim to fame that a US president can be proud of. You will be able to look him up in the history books, under blowjob.
It is true that the economy prospered under Clinton. Could it be because of the rise and fall of the dot com era. Could it be because of the huge amount of business created by the internet.
If Clinton was so great with the economy, why did most of the dot coms disapear under his watch. How was he able to slow down the huge economic boom created by the net. The economy was in a dowhill slide when he left office. And 9-11 sent it into a tailspin.
Maybe the Presidents before him created an economic envionment, that allowed the economy to prosper.
And he created an economic envionment that caused the economy to fail.
The economy is slowly recovering, from what I understand slow growth is better than instant growth.
Not to mention how Clinton gutted the military. And turned many towns that provided services to the military into ghost towns.
If you are considering voteing for Kerry, you are a sucker, Kerry is a snake oil salesman, him ans his wife want the presidency, as another trophy, and don't give a rats ass about you or me.

Rexone
10-03-2004, 08:00 PM
Type in "blowjob president" in Yahoo search
:smile:

steelcomp
10-03-2004, 08:09 PM
Type in "blowjob president" in Yahoo search
:smile:
I typed it in MSN search...that's just too darn funny!!!LMAO!!! :D :D
Bubba, Slick Willie, Blowjob, William Jefferson "behind the podium" Clinton.

Boy Named Sue
10-03-2004, 09:13 PM
Type in "blowjob president" in Yahoo search
:smile:
:rollside: Apparently the legacy has already been established. :rollside:

kahanamoko
10-04-2004, 12:15 AM
Jeanyus bears testament to the fact that it's easy to lose track of facts while following this lengthy string. I will be civil enough to politely correcty his or her error. I am PRESENTLY in the military. I absolutely respect the blood of every American serviceman and woman whose blood was shed upon any battlefield in support of freedom. Be they conservative, liberal, independent, jew, gentile, atheist or whatever. Not sure by your quote if you too respect each regardless of their beliefs and I wonder if the died in the wool republicans can stomach saying they would put their own lives on the line to save a died in the wool liberal. In my case, I don't ask the political, religious or other personal beliefs of those with which I serve and don't care to know anything other than their ability to do their job. Where that is lacking I'm happy to lend a hand if they seek the help. I would note, however, that there are many in the military who cannot keep their revulsion for other Americans from spewing out of their mouths. And it's always the conservative republicans. Now why would that be?
I have said nothing in my emails to infer that I hate America. I will even go so far as to say that I would die for those referred to above that spew their hatred of other Americans under given circumstances. I wonder if the same could be said for them.
America is not a piece of land. At least not only a piece of land. It is more a philosophy which stands for freedom to express your opinion, like here. To live without fear of repression for your beliefs, no matter how upsetting to others they may be. Freedom to vote for those you feel best represent your idea of the American dream. Bush apparently does not represent that idea to many Americans. The fact that he is in a job that exceeds his abilities is apparent to many. Or most. Even many republicans I know concede this point.
The people have spoken. The pundits have spoken. Bush lost the debate. Will he lose the presidency? Who knows? Time will tell.
Not sure why Jeanyus declined to put his/her occupation in his/her profile. Perhaps he/she is embarrassed by his profession. I am not. I could spend an hour listing the true Americans who have gone before me in this profession. A few? Abraham Lincoln. Thomas Jefferson. Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr. John Adams. John Quincy Adams. Francis Bacon. John C. Calhoun. Henry Clay. J. William Fulbright. Alexander Hamilton. William Harrison. Patrick Henry. Andrew Jackson. Robert Kennedy. I wonder if your profession boasts so many great American Patriots Jeanyus? I doubt it. Personally, I am humbled to find myself in the same profession as these great thinkers. Let alone the humility I feel each time I'm in uniform and raise my hand to salute the American flag and realize the sacrifices of those who have died to protect my ability to live in this free land. Leave it? **** you!! I suggest you try to make me leave this country. Perhaps you should move yourself. To a country occupied by only those that think the way you do. Obviously, that is the only country in which you would be happy. I doubt you could find that country though. It doesn't exist. I suppose you will simply have to sit here in this country and bitch about the liberals that you hate so much. I wonder if you even concede that they are Americans. Obviously, you are brainwashed by the conservative talk-show mentality that preaches that all liberals hate America. Sure. I don't consider myself a liberal. I don't consider myself a republican either. I consider myself an American. Period. You?

Jeanyus
10-04-2004, 05:08 AM
Jeanyus bears testament to the fact that it's easy to lose track of facts while following this lengthy string. I will be civil enough to politely correcty his or her error. I am PRESENTLY in the military. I absolutely respect the blood of every American serviceman and woman whose blood was shed upon any battlefield in support of freedom. Be they conservative, liberal, independent, jew, gentile, atheist or whatever. Not sure by your quote if you too respect each regardless of their beliefs and I wonder if the died in the wool republicans can stomach saying they would put their own lives on the line to save a died in the wool liberal. In my case, I don't ask the political, religious or other personal beliefs of those with which I serve and don't care to know anything other than their ability to do their job. Where that is lacking I'm happy to lend a hand if they seek the help. I would note, however, that there are many in the military who cannot keep their revulsion for other Americans from spewing out of their mouths. And it's always the conservative republicans. Now why would that be?
I have said nothing in my emails to infer that I hate America. I will even go so far as to say that I would die for those referred to above that spew their hatred of other Americans under given circumstances. I wonder if the same could be said for them.
America is not a piece of land. At least not only a piece of land. It is more a philosophy which stands for freedom to express your opinion, like here. To live without fear of repression for your beliefs, no matter how upsetting to others they may be. Freedom to vote for those you feel best represent your idea of the American dream. Bush apparently does not represent that idea to many Americans. The fact that he is in a job that exceeds his abilities is apparent to many. Or most. Even many republicans I know concede this point.
The people have spoken. The pundits have spoken. Bush lost the debate. Will he lose the presidency? Who knows? Time will tell.
Not sure why Jeanyus declined to put his/her occupation in his/her profile. Perhaps he/she is embarrassed by his profession. I am not. I could spend an hour listing the true Americans who have gone before me in this profession. A few? Abraham Lincoln. Thomas Jefferson. Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr. John Adams. John Quincy Adams. Francis Bacon. John C. Calhoun. Henry Clay. J. William Fulbright. Alexander Hamilton. William Harrison. Patrick Henry. Andrew Jackson. Robert Kennedy. I wonder if your profession boasts so many great American Patriots Jeanyus? I doubt it. Personally, I am humbled to find myself in the same profession as these great thinkers. Let alone the humility I feel each time I'm in uniform and raise my hand to salute the American flag and realize the sacrifices of those who have died to protect my ability to live in this free land. Leave it? **** you!! I suggest you try to make me leave this country. Perhaps you should move yourself. To a country occupied by only those that think the way you do. Obviously, that is the only country in which you would be happy. I doubt you could find that country though. It doesn't exist. I suppose you will simply have to sit here in this country and bitch about the liberals that you hate so much. I wonder if you even concede that they are Americans. Obviously, you are brainwashed by the conservative talk-show mentality that preaches that all liberals hate America. Sure. I don't consider myself a liberal. I don't consider myself a republican either. I consider myself an American. Period. You?
:sleeping: :sleeping: :sleeping: :sleeping: :sleeping:

steelcomp
10-04-2004, 06:04 AM
Jeanyus bears testament to the fact that it's easy to lose track of facts while following this lengthy string. I will be civil enough to politely correcty his or her error. I am PRESENTLY in the military. I absolutely respect the blood of every American serviceman and woman whose blood was shed upon any battlefield in support of freedom. Be they conservative, liberal, independent, jew, gentile, atheist or whatever. Not sure by your quote if you too respect each regardless of their beliefs and I wonder if the died in the wool republicans can stomach saying they would put their own lives on the line to save a died in the wool liberal. In my case, I don't ask the political, religious or other personal beliefs of those with which I serve and don't care to know anything other than their ability to do their job. Where that is lacking I'm happy to lend a hand if they seek the help. I would note, however, that there are many in the military who cannot keep their revulsion for other Americans from spewing out of their mouths. And it's always the conservative republicans. Now why would that be?
I have said nothing in my emails to infer that I hate America. I will even go so far as to say that I would die for those referred to above that spew their hatred of other Americans under given circumstances. I wonder if the same could be said for them.
America is not a piece of land. At least not only a piece of land. It is more a philosophy which stands for freedom to express your opinion, like here. To live without fear of repression for your beliefs, no matter how upsetting to others they may be. Freedom to vote for those you feel best represent your idea of the American dream. Bush apparently does not represent that idea to many Americans. The fact that he is in a job that exceeds his abilities is apparent to many. Or most. Even many republicans I know concede this point.
The people have spoken. The pundits have spoken. Bush lost the debate. Will he lose the presidency? Who knows? Time will tell.
Not sure why Jeanyus declined to put his/her occupation in his/her profile. Perhaps he/she is embarrassed by his profession. I am not. I could spend an hour listing the true Americans who have gone before me in this profession. A few? Abraham Lincoln. Thomas Jefferson. Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr. John Adams. John Quincy Adams. Francis Bacon. John C. Calhoun. Henry Clay. J. William Fulbright. Alexander Hamilton. William Harrison. Patrick Henry. Andrew Jackson. Robert Kennedy. I wonder if your profession boasts so many great American Patriots Jeanyus? I doubt it. Personally, I am humbled to find myself in the same profession as these great thinkers. Let alone the humility I feel each time I'm in uniform and raise my hand to salute the American flag and realize the sacrifices of those who have died to protect my ability to live in this free land. Leave it? **** you!! I suggest you try to make me leave this country. Perhaps you should move yourself. To a country occupied by only those that think the way you do. Obviously, that is the only country in which you would be happy. I doubt you could find that country though. It doesn't exist. I suppose you will simply have to sit here in this country and bitch about the liberals that you hate so much. I wonder if you even concede that they are Americans. Obviously, you are brainwashed by the conservative talk-show mentality that preaches that all liberals hate America. Sure. I don't consider myself a liberal. I don't consider myself a republican either. I consider myself an American. Period. You?
Kakamoto...you need that gaping sore under your nose sewn up. I, for one, think you're full of it, and yourself.
You're a lawyer...you smell bad, even from here.
Your posts..."me me me me". Why do you have so little self respect?
Poor guy. You're nothin more than a chest poundin' wannabe. Quit braggin about being in the Military...no one's impressed. You have the audacity to compare yourself with the likes of Lincoln? Jefferson? and others? You're an arrogant, conceited ass of immeasurable preportions!!! The class of individual with which you dare compare yourself would cast you aside like the vermen you are. You are noxious and offensive and have offered nothing in your posts but useless self admiring drabble. And you're boring!!! :sleeping: :sleeping: :sleeping:
Go away!!!
Beat it!!!
Get lost!!!!
BTW...see that big red square under your name? I guess the pundits have spoken!!!

Dave C
10-04-2004, 07:38 AM
speaking of reading.... why don't you read the weapons inspectors reports to Congress?
They found Saddam's WMD's just not the "stockpiles" of WMD's that the big media was looking for.
What weapons And how are you privvy to this info.. and
nooneelse????
I don't disagree that there should be research but as your post indicates, this is being used more as a political issue than a medical one.
Fact of the matter is that Stem Cell Research is NOT illegal and private and public foundations and pharmaceutical companies are free to explore the possibilities.
I figure that some researchers who are dependent upon the government handouts and subsidies are upset that they can't feed off the trough on this one. I would hardly categorize this as a ban since the welfare researchers aren't necessary to finding "cures" anyway.
Well since you asked, let's begin Stem cell research--The thought of curing ill stricken people with diseases, children and unborn children of retardation cancer etc. in my opinion should be number 1 on any candidates agenda... Th fact that he caters to a select few religous right is ridiculous, and where are these fetuses going anyhow??

steelcomp
10-04-2004, 05:10 PM
I figure that some researchers who are dependent upon the government handouts and subsidies are upset that they can't feed off the trough on this one. I would hardly categorize this as a ban since the welfare researchers aren't necessary to finding "cures" anyway.
Isn't THAT the truth! :confused:

Steve 1
10-04-2004, 07:09 PM
Here this will help.

skeepwerkzaz
10-04-2004, 07:52 PM
I would imagine this guy is the reason why people get "fragged."
Honorable profession eh- More like "most hated profession"
People have been hating your type for hundreds of years, so you shouldn't feel special, or for that matter particularly proud.
My vote is that he is probably a defense lawyer. God bless you though for protecting our ability to hear all kinds of boobs speak.
In my experience, those who can't, preach. Preach on bro.....

kahanamoko
10-05-2004, 10:24 AM
[QUOTE=steelcomp]Kakamoto...you need that gaping sore under your nose sewn up. I, for one, think you're full of it, and yourself.
You're a lawyer...you smell bad, even from here.
I see the level of intelligent debate here is as high as we expected from GW Bush. The first sentence is not even gramatically correct. Let me dumb this down for you (ya). I is a lawyur. I is proud ta be a lawyur. I ain't got no problum with peepul who have opinyuns differnt than mine. I like a gud debait. Gyorge Dublle-U Bush is an idyot. U shuld stay off this site until u lern how to talk beter.
Skeepwurkaz (or whatever), you would be the kind of prick that would frag somebody. I suppose you think that's a good thing, which is exactly why you would never make it in the military. The idea there is to work together as a team despite your personal feelings. Sort of like AMERICA, of which you obviously know nothing. If I bore you then it's only because I used to many big words (wurds) that you don't understand.
Steelcomp, If you read my email you'll see that I myself indicate that I'm not worthy of the patriots I named. I am humbled to be in the same profession. I am further humbled to put on the uniform. Perhaps you should take that big chip off of your shoulder. Not sure what profession you have but I'm sure it's something completely insignificant. I represent companies small and large whose owners, boards and stockholders rely upon my representation to survive. I obviously knew that many in the general community have a low impression of attorneys. Like they do for many other professions for which they don't have the drive, ambition or intelligence. Most simply parrot the hatred of others because it makes them fit in. Whatever. Continue to parrot the hatred of liberals, lawyers, soldiers, sailors, airmen, marines, or whatever you like. That's your first amendment right. The freedom to say those things is because you are American. The fact that you spew the stupidity from your mouth that you do is demonstrative of the fact that you have no idea what America is about. It's not for a bunch of undereducated, redneck, racist, self-loathing, small-dicked white boys (republicans). It's for ALL Americans, whether you like them or not.
Deal with it. I'm here and I'm here to stay.

eliminatedsprinter
10-05-2004, 10:34 AM
[QUOTE=steelcomp]Kakamoto...you need that gaping sore under your nose sewn up. I, for one, think you're full of it, and yourself.
You're a lawyer...you smell bad, even from here.
I see the level of intelligent debate here is as high as we expected from GW Bush. The first sentence is not even gramatically correct. Let me dumb this down for you (ya). I is a lawyur. I is proud ta be a lawyur. I ain't got no problum with peepul who have opinyuns differnt than mine. I like a gud debait. Gyorge Dublle-U Bush is an idyot. U shuld stay off this site until u lern how to talk beter.
Skeepwurkaz (or whatever), you would be the kind of prick that would frag somebody. I suppose you think that's a good thing, which is exactly why you would never make it in the military. The idea there is to work together as a team despite your personal feelings. Sort of like AMERICA, of which you obviously know nothing. If I bore you then it's only because I used to many big words (wurds) that you don't understand.
Steelcomp, If you read my email you'll see that I myself indicate that I'm not worthy of the patriots I named. I am humbled to be in the same profession. I am further humbled to put on the uniform. Perhaps you should take that big chip off of your shoulder. Not sure what profession you have but I'm sure it's something completely insignificant. I represent companies small and large whose owners, boards and stockholders rely upon my representation to survive. I obviously knew that many in the general community have a low impression of attorneys. Like they do for many other professions for which they don't have the drive, ambition or intelligence. Most simply parrot the hatred of others because it makes them fit in. Whatever. Continue to parrot the hatred of liberals, lawyers, soldiers, sailors, airmen, marines, or whatever you like. That's your first amendment right. The freedom to say those things is because you are American. The fact that you spew the stupidity from your mouth that you do is demonstrative of the fact that you have no idea what America is about. It's not for a bunch of undereducated, redneck, racist, self-loathing, small-dicked white boys (republicans). It's for ALL Americans, whether you like them or not.
Deal with it. I'm here and I'm here to stay.
Fascinating how this insolent fellow displays the traits he claims to loath in others...Is anyone else but me starting to think he might be a far right winger, who is just coming on here to make the left look rude, crude, and narrow minded?

kahanamoko
10-05-2004, 10:36 AM
The key words are "good debate".

OGShocker
10-05-2004, 11:25 AM
I'm here and I'm here to stay.
I am pretty sure AZDon, Catmando and Lake Pirate said the same da*m thing. :hammerhea
You are the quint essential Liberal. :crossx: :rolleyes:

eliminatedsprinter
10-05-2004, 11:48 AM
I am pretty sure AZDon, Catmando and Lake Pirate said the same da*m thing. :hammerhea
You are the quint essential Liberal. :crossx: :rolleyes:
I'm not sure, but I'm starting to think he is a gag/put on. ;) :D :idea:

kahanamoko
10-05-2004, 01:30 PM
The only reason you would think that I'm a put-on is because this site is so filled with only one political voice. Just the way most conservatives like it. Just a bunch of head wagging and no true political discourse. God forbid anyone should disagree with the party line or question the powers that be.
OG Shocker, just because I'm not a brain-washed conservative hack doesn't mean I'm a liberal. There are those of us that prefer neither label. But in your way of thinking anyone who doesn't toe the line with the party is a liberal. What a shame.
Or, to put it another way:
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAa!! :cry

OGShocker
10-05-2004, 01:53 PM
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Have a nice trip.

Froggystyle
10-05-2004, 02:28 PM
The only reason you would think that I'm a put-on is because this site is so filled with only one political voice.
Ummmm... that's because we can all afford boats. To the best of my knowledge, there has never been a government program that subsidized the purchase of a performance boat for personal use, so unless they inherited one from a wealthy conservative uncle or something, they would pretty much not have any reason to be here.
In addition, when faced with real dilemmas, and real action needs to be taken, we have found liberals to shrink away in the face of opposition. Very similar to what Kerry does when he sees a poll change. The liberals that have been the most loquacious on here always go away when they realize two things. The first is, when it comes to issues and facts they don't stand a chance. We tend to be realistic and open minded, and have all (basically) chosen the more conservative, Republican mindset to me more closely aligned with our own way of thinking.
Second, the libs on here end up getting all heated up and stupid, catch themselves in contradiction after contradiction and can't stand the heat. People on here have memories longer than a hamster, and once you say something that leaves an indellible mark on one of us, we tend to remind you of it next time the polls change.
What this results in, is loudmouth trolls like you going away, and quickly. We, as Republicans tend to want to fix things that are broken. You appear broken. At first, we try to fix you, and show you where you are f#d up, but now that you appear well past the point on no return, we will give up on you and switch to ignore status. You aren't even entertaining anymore. As you have lost entertainment value, you will pretty much fall off the radar quickly.
In addition to being a political nuisance, you appear to offer little in the way of being a good boater or person to hang around with on the weekends. You are derisive, obstinate and lack basic social skills for coexisting in new situations with new people. You cast aspersions on well respected members of the community, namely some who have gone a very long way towards improving the quality of our boating experience and keeping us appraised of political changes occuring in the industry... Rexone.
You are like arguing with a 10 year old. Beat it.

CrazyHippy
10-05-2004, 02:46 PM
I am by no means a die hard republican. If the democratic party would present someone reasonable, I'd have no problem voting for them. I just dont see that happening any time soon. I work hard for my money, and i dont think someone should get a share of it because they cant keep their legs shut.
BJH

kahanamoko
10-05-2004, 03:32 PM
[QUOTE=Froggystyle]Ummmm... that's because we can all afford boats. To the best of my knowledge, there has never been a government program that subsidized the purchase of a performance boat for personal use, so unless they inherited one from a wealthy conservative uncle or something, they would pretty much not have any reason to be here.
Strangely, whenever I imply that conservative republicans are not from the common man but rather are a bunch of rich bastards, a conservative republican jumps up and says, "not true". In fact, I had this same conversation with conservative political talk-show host Al Rantel. He also indicated that it was a fallacy that republicans are typically rich and thus disenfranchised from the common populace. Now I find a conservative republican arguing the opposite. I didn't need a government program to buy my boat. I earned the money myself. I am proud to say that I come from an average American family. My parents were both from Kansas farm families and came to California with nothing. I am the first in my entire family to have an advanced degree. The second to have any sort of post-secondary education. I find it unlikely that your current position with your company was earned. Rather, it is apparent that you are just another spoiled rich kid who couldn't earn his way through life but rather rides the wave created by his daddy. If your Daddy decided to bankroll your current project then that is just fine. I would do the same for my son. Just don't get on here and act like you are somehow superior to those that rely upon the government or anyone else to get something or somewhere in their life. You are no different. Like it or don't, I don't really give a shit.
And by the way, I thought you said in earlier emails that you were through talking to me and weren't going to respond any more. Therefore, by your most recent email it appears that it is you, in fact, that have the memory of a hamster.
I don't mind helpful suggestions from those in the boating community on ways to improve the boating lifestyle. What I do mind is those like you and ReckedOne using this free site as a method to market your business. I have no way to stop it. But I will make it a point to hound you, and every other entrepreneur that cannot simply let the folks here have fun and talk about boating without a not so subtle attempt to market your product. Don't deny it. Otherwise, why do I even know for which company you work? Or ReckedOne?
In the meantime, I'll be at the River this very weekend enjoying myself with a very large group of boating friends. Some republicans. Some democrats. Some, like me, that don't refer to themselves as either. I enjoy the company of all of them because, unlike you, their opinions regarding politics don't spew from their mouths like vile crap when I'm somewhere simply trying to enjoy myself. Like here.

eliminatedsprinter
10-05-2004, 04:22 PM
The only reason you would think that I'm a put-on is because this site is so filled with only one political voice. Just the way most conservatives like it. Just a bunch of head wagging and no true political discourse. God forbid anyone should disagree with the party line or question the powers that be.
OG Shocker, just because I'm not a brain-washed conservative hack doesn't mean I'm a liberal. There are those of us that prefer neither label. But in your way of thinking anyone who doesn't toe the line with the party is a liberal. What a shame.
Or, to put it another way:
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAa!! :cry
No, I think you are a put on, because the rude, crude, insolent way you are presenting yourself, here to us, is so far below the standards of polite, intelligent discussion, that it is a disgrace to the intellegent and more thoughtfull people on the left (yes I do know many thoughtfull Democrats). I figure, that you must just be acting this way in order to discredit the opinions you are pretending to support. :rolleyes: I can't imagine that any intelligent person could think they could persuade anyone or even have a good debate by starting off with all the insults and bigoted statements that you have been slinging around on these posts. I think this is either a prank or a desperate cry for attention and I won't play. I love to debate politics here and you are the first person of differing views on these boards that I have simply found to be too rude to debate with. Besides, what you say are just the some old played out moveon.org talking points. :sleeping: :sleeping:
However, as a clinician, I find your attitude and fragmented logic fascinating.

kahanamoko
10-05-2004, 05:10 PM
Eliminatedsprinter, what the f*** are you talking about? Where in my emails do you gather that I am a liberal? Have I not said over and over again that I am not? Or do you simply choose to shut out what people say to you and move forward with your own preconceived idea of what you think they were going to say? What statements were bigoted? Perhaps you should look the word up in the dictionary (dicshunary) before you use it. I continue to come back to this string simply because I find it fascinating that so many of you died-in-the-wool republicans make such bold statements without even listening to the other person completely first. You display so prominently that you refuse to LISTEN to what anybody else says. I bore you? Do I care? You bore me. Do you care? Believe it or not, I didn't logon to this site for your own private pleasure and I could care less if you are bored or not. Like a television or a radio, it's as easy as turning off the on/off switch. Just stop logging into this area and you should have no problem.
As for Dave C's comment. Again, where in my comment did I indicate I was in some way trying to represent your interest? Can I gather from your comment that you too look at things like you are the center of the entire universe and everything must be looked at through only your eyes? How does it affect Dave C? Hmmmm. Perhaps only Dave C cares.
If any of you are bothered by my comments perhaps it's because nobody has ever challenged you on your lack of ability to think clearly.
I have yet to hear one cogent, well thought out comment on the Kerry/Bush debate. Nothing but a bunch of typical and ultimately boring Kerry bashing. Again, nobody has commented on the fact that by almost any non-biased opinion from the press, as well as the general AMERICAN populace, Kerry won the debate. That is the name of this string, is it not?

kahanamoko
10-05-2004, 05:23 PM
And by the way, just as a thought, didn't the absolute worst terrorist attack in U.S. history happen under the not so watchful eye of GW Bush? Despite the fact that he had ample intelligence to indicate there was the LIKELIHOOD of an attack by Al Qaeda? What an idiot! And I'm supposed to somehow be impressed with his ability to defend this country? He has already failed big time!! His presidency will be remembered for his utter failure to protect the country from terrorists. He had the ability to stop 9/11 and failed. He is a failure as a president. Period. If you don't like the fact that many are saying "Anybody but Bush", tough. In light of the threat to this country if Bush remains I say it is the only choice. Anything other than Bush.

Dave C
10-05-2004, 05:31 PM
As for Dave C's comment. Again, where in my comment did I indicate I was in some way trying to represent your interest?
Here, you seem to be taking it upon yourself to avoid having them spam! Why?
do you not like spam?
were you damaged emotionally by spam as a kid?
why do you feel the need to have to hound them about their spam?
maybe WE like spam?
ever think of that?
But I will make it a point to hound you, and every other entrepreneur that cannot simply let the folks here have fun and talk about boating without a not so subtle attempt to market your product.
as for your comment about us not wanting to debate you I tried but after you called us all "idiots, morons and goosesteppers" (quoting you now).... maybe, just maybe, we just don't feel like being subjected to your badgering and incoherent babble.
Your shrink did tell you that only 3 year olds call other people names. Right?
BTW I'm checking off the ol' DNC talking points... your score is pretty high right now..... keep em coming. :D

kahanamoko
10-05-2004, 05:56 PM
Your shrink did tell you that only 3 year olds call other people names. Right?
BTW I'm checking off the ol' DNC talking points... your score is pretty high right now..... keep em coming. :D
I've never seen a therapist nor has anyone ever recommended it. Apparently the military thinks I'm sane enough to handle a weapon and I've handled negotiations for the Army with foreign dignitaries regarding Status of Forces Agreemnents, Memoranda or Understanding for joint/multinational military excercises.. The State Bar must think I'm sane enough to give a Bar Card. Hmmm. Someone on this site thinks I need a therapist. I'm not impressed. Apparently you've seen one though since you seem to know what they tell people. Fill us all in on the other things your therapist told you. Love your mother and hate your father? That kinda thing?
Wouldn't know what the DNC talking points are but you apparently do.

Dave C
10-05-2004, 06:59 PM
WOW thats a very impressive resume....... :notam:
ya that State Bar ... there is a real authority... the only thing they know how to certify is crooks. :devil:
Sorry I ain't never seen a therapist but someone else once told me something about "modesty"... It appears that you missed that talk. :notam:

Boy Named Sue
10-05-2004, 07:16 PM
Gentlemen,
Your debate has been lively and informative...Steelcomp, Dave C., Kahana, all have made good points. Question to Kahana. Correct me if O.C. is in a different time zone, but it appears that you were busy posting during the V.P. 'debate'. ??????? Throwing my two cents in, I wish those two guys were running for Prez.

kahanamoko
10-05-2004, 07:37 PM
Dave C - I guess you're not willing to let your occupation be known on your profile. Embarrassed? All attorneys are crooks? It's too bad you have that impression. I'm sure you're ballsy enough to represent yourself if you ever get sued then? Or in the event of a family problem? Gonna draft your own will? Power of Attorney? What if you need to sue someone else? If your insurance company tries to screw you out of money? Gonna handle all that on your own? I wish you luck my friend. The other party, the one with the attorney, will have you for dinner. Modesty is for pussies. I make no claim I cannot back up. Not sure why you think I lack modesty. Give me the exact quote that indicates I am immodest. Exact quote. Not taken out of context. Put up or shut up pussy.
Boy Named Sue - Unfortunately, still at work and unable to watch or listen. Call me a workaholic. Not sure if I'd prefer Cheney over Bush. Crook or Idiot. Hmmmm. In the case of the Dems, I think I'd probably have preferred Edwards to Kerry. Don't know much about his position on most issues though. Unfortunately, it is some time after the respective parties select their candidates that you usually find out their position on international and domestic issues. Prior to that (and even after to a lesser degree) it's all fluff and no substance.
What are they saying?

Dave C
10-05-2004, 07:58 PM
quotes? are you kidding me? If I do a search of all your posts, I notice that you begin almost all of them with AN INSULT and finish it up with some condescension. It would be faster to post some examples of your posts that were NOT condescending.
Don't you think its just a bit RUDE to begin a conversation with an insult. Maybe if you were a bit more modest you would not be so rude or condescending towards us.
Its true, we run to lawyers when in trouble. And they are alot of my clients. Just not the ambulance chasing egomaniacs who think their sh*t don't stink. Oh wait... got a couple of those too. My bad! :devil:
RE my occupation: it usually takes me a least an hour to explain to the senior partners in large prestigous law firms (my clients BTW) what I do for a living. They pay me, you don't, so I'm not gonna explain it to you. The logic of it would probably be lost on you anyway.
Give me a call when you make partner and I will hook you up though (my version of spam) :wink:

Boy Named Sue
10-05-2004, 08:01 PM
I have a bias but the first half hour Edwards was a parrot of Kerry points from Thursday. Cheney finally vocalized some of the big picture in the War on Terror that they have been afraid to say till now. (Democratization of the Middle East and other 'evil states'). Edwards had me thinking hmmmm... on a few points (although I can't remember which now). Edwards did disappoint me by several times bringing up the stagnacy of real wages (or loss) compared to inflation but didn't lay the cause to the flood of cheap labor which neither party will dare mention.
You have to see/listen for yourself.
P.S. Kahana - that is the worst rep count I have ever seen! Getting under a few skins if thats what you want to do. Suuuuuueeeeeey. :smile: :idea: :notam: :rollside:

kahanamoko
10-05-2004, 08:15 PM
Dave C. It's nice to see that you put your own insulting and condescending statements in the middle of your emails and not at the beginning or end like me. I'm learning so much from you already and I'm not having to pay your fee. Are these the kind of pearls of wisdom that you impart to lawfirms. I'm impressed.
Your opinion of your own job is obviously quite modest. Again, you've pointed out my error. Your job is apparently so difficult to understand that your clients, the big partners of big lawfirms need at least an hour to understand it. Wow. I bet that line even works with the republican skanks you pick up (see, I'm learning to put my insults in the middle). Upon second thought, I could give a shit less what you do so save it. I am quite certain that whatever it is is a scam anyway.
BoyNamedSue. It's nice to see an intelligent and unbiased analysis of each candidate. Some good and some bad regarding each. You appear to be the only one here truly paying any attention. I commend you. Did you see the news today regarding Paul Bremer's comments about the insufficient troop strength in Iraq? It's one of the listed links on Yahoo and takes you right to a video of the news story. Very interesting. It appears that after he made the statement, embarrassing to the Bush people, that he issued a silly retraction. By then the horses were already out of the barn. In my opinion, Bush would have done better to dump Cheney and select a female conservative like Dole as his VP. It would have been a bold statement and certainly would have garnered alot of female votes. I heard a commentator today say that most of the republican and Democrat party members were saying that women make up a considerable portion of the undecided voters.
Your opinion?

MizBubba
10-05-2004, 08:29 PM
do you not like spam?
were you damaged emotionally by spam as a kid?
:) :) :)

Boy Named Sue
10-05-2004, 08:39 PM
I have respect for her, she seems to be a strong, convicted woman, like her husband. If Bob is using the Viagra he peddles then you know she's getting it and is on an even keel. (I couldn't help myself - suuueeey!) Seriously that would have been bold, Cheney is demonized by the opposition (literally), and could be seen as a liability to the ticket. Then again, he's one shifty, shrewd, son of a gun that I would want on my side. I don't know, it didn't happen but is a really good hypothetical. No, I didn't see the Bremer thing and I don't have time to check it out right now. I don't know about the OC but in my town Tuesday night is a party night so from here on out tonight I'm going to focus on whats really important; the punanny! All this other stuff never really changes.
Goodnight passionate ones!

OGShocker
10-05-2004, 08:57 PM
l lalalalala la lalalalalala llllllla!
When I was 10 years old I saw Hilo Hattie in a movie and I shall never forget watching a Hawaiian boy (my age) diving off of the piers at Aloha Towers to greet an incoming cruise ship. Coins were thrown by passengers into the water, the Royal Hawaiian Band, all in formal dress uniforms, played a happy tune to welcome everyone as flower leis were graceously placed on the newcomers shoulders by georgous hula dancers. Black hair, white slacks, perfect teeth, and broad smiles were everywhere. It was 1945, the war was just over and Hawaii showed the world what real hospitality looked like. They called it ALOHA.
It was my dream to dive from that same dockside, smell the salt water and the colorful flowers, get close to the dancers and musicians and dive for coins in the warm waters of Honolulu. Whatever that ALOHA was, I wanted it.
Ten years later I had my chance when I was stationed in the Coast Guard on a ship homeported across the harbor from Aloha Towers on Sand Island. I got to do all of those things, learned to surf, found wonderful friendships with the "locals" and even picked up some pidgin English where the "kine" can mean almost anything and "pilikia" is something you want to avoid. Duke Kahanamoko was still around, Don HO was just starting out at "Honey's", his fathers place on the windward side, and Alfred Apaka was the "Voice of the Islands" down at the old Hawaiian Village Hotel. George Downing won the International Surfing Contest at Makaha. Beachboys had names like Buffalo, Steamboat, Blackhout, Blue Makua, and Rabbit. For 75 cents you could buy a plate lunch with meat on a stick called "teriaki" that tasted like nothing you ever had before.
I want to "go back to my little grass shack" and see it today with my wife of 40 years who loves the sun and beach and has earned a reward after a teachers career. I need to prove to her that you can lie down next to a (screened) open window where gardenias grow and you can fall asleep surrounded by heavenly fragrance. I want to pick a flower for her hair from the abundance of red hibiscus everywhere you go. I want her to see the HUMUHUMUNUKUNUKUAPUAA go swimming by. I want to take her barefoot dancing where you can see the sun set and the moon rise "mauka"; where the Hawaiian Wedding Song is sung with the sound of waves breaking on a nearby coral reef. Oh yeah, it's all ALOHA.
Yes, ALOHA means hello and goodbye but it is also a word that expresses all of the sweet pleasures of life in between that are nowhere to found but in Islands of Hawaii. When you are smiling, when you are enjoying yourself and loving others, that's ALOHA. You can't send it in a package, you have to come to Hawaii to experience it.

Boy Named Sue
10-05-2004, 09:25 PM
I know I'm going out but I'm also horribly addicted. OG that personal history passage was moving and uplifting. You are a true writer of prose, the beauty you described and the emotion it instilled was something to be admired.
Aloha.

steelcomp
10-05-2004, 09:43 PM
Dave C - I guess you're not willing to let your occupation be known on your profile. Embarrassed? All attorneys are crooks? It's too bad you have that impression. I'm sure you're ballsy enough to represent yourself if you ever get sued then? Or in the event of a family problem? Gonna draft your own will? Power of Attorney? What if you need to sue someone else? If your insurance company tries to screw you out of money? Gonna handle all that on your own? I wish you luck my friend. The other party, the one with the attorney, will have you for dinner. Modesty is for pussies. I make no claim I cannot back up. Not sure why you think I lack modesty. Give me the exact quote that indicates I am immodest. Exact quote. Not taken out of context. Put up or shut up pussy.
Boy Named Sue - Unfortunately, still at work and unable to watch or listen. Call me a workaholic. Not sure if I'd prefer Cheney over Bush. Crook or Idiot. Hmmmm. In the case of the Dems, I think I'd probably have preferred Edwards to Kerry. Don't know much about his position on most issues though. Unfortunately, it is some time after the respective parties select their candidates that you usually find out their position on international and domestic issues. Prior to that (and even after to a lesser degree) it's all fluff and no substance.
What are they saying?
They're saying that Lawyers are the scum of the earth, and the root of most of the corruption in our society.
Wow...where do you start with this prick?
The first sentence is not even gramatically correct.
Oh, now you're a grammar teacher? How is it incorrect? After reading your posts, I don't think you have any room for criticizing anyone's grammar or spelling. And you're the product of "higher education"? Boy, that's a sad testimony. I think you're a day care product. Angry at your mommy for leaving you, angry at the world. That's why you hide in the military...you can't handle life in the real world. Someone with your attitude would get chewed up and spit out.
Skeepwurkaz (or whatever), you would be the kind of prick that would frag somebody. I suppose you think that's a good thing, which is exactly why you would never make it in the military. The idea there is to work together as a team despite your personal feelings.
You're the first kind of prick that would catch a bullet in the back by one of his own guys, like a lot of 1st Lt.'s did in Nam. You wouldn't survive in combat. It's clearly obvious that you know nothing about putting your personal feelings aside or working as a team, and that's nothing you can hide. Not the way to win friends and influence people. Your arrogance and conciet would put anyone you were on assignment with in great jeopardy, and that would be obvious the first time you opened your mouth.Personally I think you live in a fantasy and have nothing to do with the military. Maybe you have a uniform fetish.
I am humbled to be in the same profession. I am further humbled to put on the uniform.
Humbled? HUMBLED? That's the most damning evidence against you that proves your a liar. You haven't got a humble bone in your body!!! You're the most arrogant person I've ever heard talk about themself! You're unbelievable...literally!!
Perhaps you should take that big chip off of your shoulder.
I don't have a chip on my shoulder...I just REALLY don't like it when some blow hard asshole comes on this board of mutually interested and mostly good and friendly people and just immediately starts insulting us and putting us down and how godly and perfect you are, and that we should all bow down before you, or that we are somehow inferior to you because you have this inflated opinion of yourself, and that YOUR political opinions are the only correct ones and if we DARE disagree, we're even more stupid. It's unanimous that you're not welcome here. Every explitave known has been used to describe you and you still don't shut up. You've been told to beat it, leave, go away, etc. For a lawyer, you're sure stupid. I remember this kid in school who hated everyoone. He used to get in fights all the time, and would get his ass kicked regularly, but he kept on. We all felt sorry for him after a while, and finally just learned to ignore him. That's you in a nut shell. (Lets see...now you'll tell us how tough you are and never lost a fight, were in SF, Ranger, something like that)
I earned the money myself
You're a lawyer...you're a thief who capitalizes on other's misfortunes or lack of understanding of the law. You never earned a dime. You stole it...better yet, extorted it. You're an extortionist with an excuse.
I skipped a lot, but you get the drift.
I don't mind helpful suggestions from those in the boating community on ways to improve the boating lifestyle.
I doubt if you're going to get any help from anyone here on this site, but, hell, you know everythign ther is to know, so WTF do you need help with?
I hope some day I see you sinking so I can get some good pictures!
What I do mind is those like you and ReckedOne using this free site as a method to market your business. I have no way to stop it. But I will make it a point to hound you, and every other entrepreneur that cannot simply let the folks here have fun and talk about boating without a not so subtle attempt to market your product. Don't deny it. Otherwise, why do I even know for which company you work? Or ReckedOne?
Who TF do you think you are? No one gives a shit what you think. No one asked you here, no one invited you here, no one wants you here. Don't you get it? Why don't you just go mind your own business? Have fun and talk about boating? WTF! Do you even own a boat? I haven't heard you talk about anything fun, or about boating since you've posted here. Besides, why on earth do you care WHAT goes on here? The rest of us don't mind at all if these guys do a little extra curricular marketing here. Why does it bother you so much? Tired of being a stuffed shirt and jealous of someoone doing something fun for work? (Fun 'till someone like you crawls out from under their rock and wants the rest of us to be as miserable as you!)
Otherwise, why do I even know for which company you work? Or ReckedOne?
:messedup: Boy...talk about bad grammar!!! :hammerhea
Whew! :cool:

JustMVG
10-05-2004, 10:11 PM
OG wonderful post, Aloha is also a Spiritual feeling and the Mana that comes with it. Mahalo Nui Loa for your post, uhhh thats Thanks you very much Aloha style K Brah!!!

Jordy
10-05-2004, 10:18 PM
And by the way, just as a thought, didn't the absolute worst terrorist attack in U.S. history happen under the not so watchful eye of GW Bush? Despite the fact that he had ample intelligence to indicate there was the LIKELIHOOD of an attack by Al Qaeda? What an idiot! And I'm supposed to somehow be impressed with his ability to defend this country? He has already failed big time!! His presidency will be remembered for his utter failure to protect the country from terrorists. He had the ability to stop 9/11 and failed. He is a failure as a president. Period. If you don't like the fact that many are saying "Anybody but Bush", tough. In light of the threat to this country if Bush remains I say it is the only choice. Anything other than Bush.
Yeah, so after 8 years of Comrade Klinton soaking cigars and failing to pull the trigger on the terrorists in the crosshairs, you're going to blame 6 months and change on Bush. I love you people who live with your heads so far up your ass that you think the sky is brown. You've absolutley got to be kidding me. If his presidency is going to be remembered as a failure to protect the country from terrorists, what is Klintons going to be remembered for? A presidency to protect cigars from premature dryness?
And for you liberal retards that think "anybody but Bush" is complementing your candidate... here's your sign and it has a couple sides so you can flip and flop it.
Vote liberal and let's just go ahead and hide our heads in the sand for the next attack... :notam: :rolleyes:

OGShocker
10-06-2004, 06:14 AM
I know I'm going out but I'm also horribly addicted. OG that personal history passage was moving and uplifting. You are a true writer of prose, the beauty you described and the emotion it instilled was something to be admired.
Aloha.
Thanks but, you do relize that was a C&P job from a site I found on Google. It was the only good site with the Duke in it.. I thought I grabed the authors name. :messedup:
Here is the credit.
Holiday
Aloha
Dedicated to My Family
Submitted by Thomas P. Hoban

kahanamoko
10-06-2004, 08:03 AM
Steelcomp, I'd be curious to see what you thought would have been proper grammar for that last sentence you quoted. Just a thought.
Perhaps you should start another site called Republican Hot Boat Forums. Then it would be clear that only people with one particular viewpoint are allowed. As it is currently, I feel completely entitled to occupy this site and will continue to do so.
I wonder how many actual stories you know about First Lieutenants being "fragged" or shot in the back in "the Nam" (couldn't just say Vietnam, huh. You sounded much tougher with that "Nam" line). Perhaps you can cite some specific instances with names, dates, etc. Or perhaps what we're really looking at here is more along the lines of a few isolated incidents (if any) that have created an urban legend of sorts implying it went on all the time. It's even more unfortunate that you think murder of an American military officer is commendable. What a disgrace of a soldier you would have been. It's fortunate that you don't wear a uniform. In the meantime, why don't you leave the discussion about the military to those that currently know what the f##k is going on in the military.
I had understood this particular string to be an invitation to discuss the first presidential debate. It didn't say, "Bash Kerry". Therefore, I understood that all points of view were acceptable to include those that Bush came off looking like a moron. Which he did in my opinion. Apparently that didn't sit well with many of the goosestepping crowd who initiated the insults. I merely joined into the fray. You would have been happier if I had just crawled into a corner when the rockets started to fly? Not my style. Sorry.
I'm sure those who use this site as a marketing tool for their businesses appreciate your comments. They likely have their own websites and can set up a chat line on that site. Then people can logon and listen to their marketing crap all day long. It is simply my impression that this site is for those that want to talk about boating (and whatever else) without being pitched by a sleazy salesman trying to foist some of his crap on us. It is further my impression that I saw a few comments awhile back indicating that RexMarine was a problem for some of the others on this site. If that is the case, and even if it is not, it illustrates the point that I would prefer to hear someone recommend a repair or sales business that has had some success there. Not from the owner of the business trying to make a buck potentially at my expense (I'm sure this will prompt a response from ReckedOne). So, if you own a business in boating I do hope you are having fun with it as Steelcomp implies. For others, I'm sure it is ultimately just a job like many others and the true enjoyment of boating is derived from actually taking your boat out.
I have enjoyed the intelligent and witty comments by BoyNamedSue. While I may agree or disagree with his opinion on particular points, he conveys them in a decent manner and I respect him for it.
Here are a few points about Bush:
RESUME OF GEORGE W. BUSH
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue
Washington , DC 20520
EDUCATION AND EXPERIENCE :
LAW ENFORCEMENT:
I was arrested in Kennebunkport , Maine , in 1976 for driving under the influence of alcohol. I pled guilty, paid a fine, and had my driver's license suspended for 30 days. My Texas driving record has been "lost" and is not available.
MILITARY:
I joined the Texas Air National Guard and went AWOL. I refused to take a drug test or answer any questions about my drug use. By joining the Texas Air National Guard, I was able to avoid combat duty in Vietnam.
COLLEGE:
I graduated from Yale University with a low C average. I was a cheerleader and extemely HEAVY partier.
PAST WORK EXPERIENCE:
I ran for U.S. Congress and lost. I began my career in the oil business in Midland , Texas, in 1975. I bought an oil company, but couldn't find any oil in Texas . The company went bankrupt shortly after I sold all my stock. I bought the Texas Rangers baseball team in a sweetheart deal that took land using taxpayer money. With the help of my father and our friends in the oil industry (including Enron CEO Ken Lay), I was elected governor of Texas .
ACCOMPLISHMENTS AS GOVERNOR OF TEXAS:
I changed Texas pollution laws to favor power and oil companies, making Texas the most polluted state in the Union . During my tenure, Houston replaced Los Angeles as the most smog-ridden city in America. I cut taxes and bankrupted the Texas treasury to the tune of billions in borrowed money. I set the record for the most executions by any governor in American history. With the help of my brother, the governor of Florida , and my father's appointments to the Supreme Court, I became President after losing by over 500,000 votes.
ACCOMPLISHMENTS AS PRESIDENT:
I am the first President in U.S. history to enter office with a criminal record.
I invaded and occupied two countries at a continuing cost of over one billion dollars per week. I spent the U.S. surplus and effectively bankrupted the U.S. Treasury. I shattered the record for the largest annual deficit in U.S. history. I set an economic record for most private bankruptcies filed in any 12-month period. I set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a 12-month period. I set the all-time record for the biggest drop in the history of the U.S. stock market. In my first year in office, over 2 million Americans lost their jobs and that trend continues every month. I'm proud that the members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in U.S. history. My "poorest millionaire," Condoleeza Rice, had a Chevron oil tanker named after her.
I set the record for most campaign fund-raising trips by a U.S. President. I am the all-time U.S. and world record-holder for receiving the most corporate campaign donations. My largest lifetime campaign contributor, and one of my best friends, Kenneth Lay, presided over the largest corporate bankruptcy fraud in U.S. History, Enron.
My political party used Enron private jets and corporate attorneys to assure my success with the U.S. Supreme Court during my election decision. I have protected my friends at Enron and Halliburton against investigation or prosecution. More time and money was spent investigating the Monica Lewinsky affair than has been spent investigating one of the biggest corporate rip- offs in history. I presided over the biggest energy crisis in U.S. history and refused to intervene when corruption involving the oil industry was revealed. I presided over the highest gasoline prices in U.S. history. I changed the U.S. policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government contracts. I appointed more convicted criminals to administration than any President in U.S. history. I created the Ministry of Homeland Security, the largest bureaucracy in the history of the United States government. I've broken more international treaties than any President in U.S. history. I am the first President in U.S. history to have the United Nations remove the U.S. from the Human Rights Commission. I withdrew the U.S. from the World Court of Law. I refused to allow inspector's access to U.S. "prisoners of war" detainees and thereby have refused to abide by the Geneva Convention. I am the first President in history to refuse United Nations election inspectors (during the 2002 U.S. election). I set the record for fewest numbers of press conferences of any President since the advent of television. I set the all-time record for most days on vacation in any one-year period. After taking off the entire month of August, I presided over the worst security failure in U.S. history.
I garnered the most sympathy for the U.S. after the World Trade Center attacks and, less than a year later, made the U.S. the most hated country in the world, the largest failure of diplomacy in world history.
I have set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously protest me in public venues (15 million people), shattering the record for protests against any person in the history of mankind. I am the first President in U.S. history to order an unprovoked, pre-emptive attack and the military occupation of a sovereign nation. I did so against the will of the United Nations, the majority of U.S. citizens, and the world community. I have cut health care benefits for war veterans and support a cut in duty benefits for active duty troops and their families -- in wartime. In my State of the Union Address, I lied about our reasons for attacking Iraq and then blamed the lies on our British friends. I am the first President in history to have a majority of Europeans (71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and security. I am supporting development of a nuclear "Tactical Bunker Buster," a WMD. I have so far failed to fulfill my pledge to bring Osama Bin Laden to justice.
RECORDS AND REFERENCES:
All records of my tenure as governor of Texas are now in my father's library, sealed and unavailable for public view. All records of SEC investigations into my insider trading and my bankrupt companies are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view. All records or minutes from meetings that I, or my Vice-President, attended regarding public energy policy are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public review.

Steve 1
10-06-2004, 08:08 AM
Bunch of Rat lies nothing here time to move on..

eliminatedsprinter
10-06-2004, 08:33 AM
[QUOTE=steelcomp] It's not for a bunch of undereducated, redneck, racist, self-loathing, small-dicked white boys (republicans). .
The above is just one of many bigoted statements you have made here on this thread.
I did not call you a liberal. I know what that term means and believe me it is the last thing I would call you.
I don't know if you really are a bigot, but I do know that republicians make up a large % of the people in this nation and the way you have repeatedly degraded and stereoptyped them on this thread is bigoted.
I don't know what type of person you are (other than someone who really dislikes Bush).
What I do not believe is that you are a lawyer (or any other highly educated professional). Your approach is just too crude for that.
The fact that you so fully display the very traits that you accuse others of having is something I find fascinating in a comical sort of way. If I was a believer in psycoanalytic theory, I'd say your posts are a textbook example of what they call projection. The fact that you act like you don't see it, even though it is so obvious, tells me it is either and act or you have a very distorted self image. Enough said.......

Froggystyle
10-06-2004, 12:36 PM
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to eliminatedsprinter again.

rvrtoy
10-06-2004, 12:40 PM
The above is just one of many bigoted statements you have made here on this thread.
I did not call you a liberal I know what that term means and believe me it is the last thing I would call you.
I don't know if you really are a bigot, but I do know that republicians make up a large % of the people in this nation and the way you have repeatedly degraded and stereoptyped them and on this thread is bigoted.
I don't know what type of person you are (other than someone who really dislikes Bush).
What I don't believe is that you are a lawyer (or any other highly educated professional). Your approach is just too crude for that.
The fact that you so fully display the very traits that you say you dislike is something I find fascinating in a comical sort of way. The fact that you act like you don't see it, even though it is so obvious, tells me it is either and act or you have a very distorted self image.
Couldn't have said it better myself!!

kahanamoko
10-06-2004, 12:44 PM
Still not sure if you understand the word bigot. For one thing, I am white. Not that that should matter. I'm sure you know some "rednecks." Some people that are undereducated. Some that are self-loathing. And perhaps the small-dicked white boy hit a little too close to home for you and if that's the case I apologize. It really doesn't matter whether you believe I'm a lawyer, or not. Whether I'm in the military, or not. The only reason any of that came up is that one of your cohorts thought it would be funny to point out that I didn't hide my occupation on my profile, like some others have done. I'm not only not ashamed of my occupation, I'm proud of my occupation. If that bothers you then tough. If some other narrow-minded people want to have a prejudice towards lawyers then I guess that's their prerogative too. Just like others here have a preconceived idea about anybody that won't vote for Bush being a bleeding heart liberal. I can't help it if there are narrow-minded people that find it easier to understand this complex world by placing everybody into categories. Conservative. Liberal. Etc. Or to generalize about people based on their race, color, creed, occupation, etc. On the other hand, I find absolutely no problem in debating people based on their philosophies on life, politics, religion, etc. If they are narrow-minded, I will point it out to them although I'm sure they won't like it. And I really don't care if they don't like it. Not only do I find it amusing, I also am optomistically hopeful that somewhere along the line one person, perhaps not the target of my email, will start to think a little more about things and not make an automatic assumption about a particular person based upon his political affiliation, or lack thereof.
I find it amusing that the same people on this string that find it insulting that I would say such terrible things about Bush would then turn in the next sentence and criticize Clinton or Kerry for something totally unassociated with his politics. Who cares if Clinton had affairs? Some of the same republicans I know that have ridden his ass about that have had many themselves. He could be f**king fruit for all I care, so long as he brings about the economic prosperity that he did during his 8 years in office. Let's just hope that in the near future we have a president that can get this country back on track. Obviously, it's not Bush as he has already demonstrated his utter failure as president.

eliminatedsprinter
10-06-2004, 01:06 PM
Couldn't have said it better myself!!
Thanks.

eliminatedsprinter
10-06-2004, 01:09 PM
The above is just one of many bigoted statements you have made here on this thread.
I did not call you a liberal. I know what that term means and believe me it is the last thing I would call you.
I don't know if you really are a bigot, but I do know that republicians make up a large % of the people in this nation and the way you have repeatedly degraded and stereoptyped them on this thread is bigoted.
I don't know what type of person you are (other than someone who really dislikes Bush).
What I do not believe is that you are a lawyer (or any other highly educated professional). Your approach is just too crude for that.
The fact that you so fully display the very traits that you accuse others of having is something I find fascinating in a comical sort of way. If I was a believer in psycoanalytic theory, I'd say your posts are a textbook example of what they call projection. The fact that you act like you don't see it, even though it is so obvious, tells me it is either and act or you have a very distorted self image. Enough said.......
The above needed some editing. I hope it is clearer now.
Wow, I can't believe I just quoted myself. ;)
P.S. Guys is it just me, or does this fellow seem a lot like AzDon's son?
At least in terms of writing and "debating" style.

kahanamoko
10-06-2004, 01:25 PM
Does comparing me to someone I don't know, have no burning desire to know, and have never seen a comment from (AzDon) somehow diminish me? Is that the best you can do?

eliminatedsprinter
10-06-2004, 01:25 PM
Back to the subject of the debates.
I think Bush lost his debate, but neither looked good.
Kerry looked like a big pompus blowhard with no real answers and Bush looked like an underprepared deer stuck in the headlights.
As for the VP debates, I think Cheney won because he had such a good grasp of the facts and Edwards suprised me by being less informed than I thought he would be (I thought a big time lawyer should seem better informed). In my eyes if you avg them both out you get a draw.

eliminatedsprinter
10-06-2004, 01:30 PM
Does comparing me to someone I don't know, have no burning desire to know, and have never seen a comment from (AzDon) somehow diminish me? Is that the best you can do?
Not really, it's just that, when they left we all thought they would be back and the similarities are there, sooooooo...I thought I'd toss out the shoe and see if it fits.......
P.S. Don't assume that just because I dislike your style and your Moveon.org/F-hight 911 like opinions, that I am a big fan of Bush. He has done almost as much that I dislike as he has that I like. If I were grading him I would give him a solid C.
That said, I am not about to vote for Kerry, because I am aware of his record on congress and I'd give that a D-. In short and to use some old cliches, I'm not about to cut off my nose to spite my face or jump out of the frying pan and into the fire...Sorry, anybody but Bush doesn't work for me, if that means the other guy is a far left hack like, Sen John Kerry.

kahanamoko
10-06-2004, 01:34 PM
I would agree that Kerry ended up looking like a pompous blowhard. Probably an occupational hazard for U.S. Senators. You already know what I think of Bush.
With regard to the VP debate, I disagree about Cheney. Citing statistics does not necessarily mean you have a good grasp of facts and that is all I can credit Cheney with. Edwards did the same thing. I suppose in the end it was nothing more than a popularity contest with most viewers going in with a preconceived idea of who they liked. To me, Cheney looked like the stereotypical slimy corporate type who became a slimy politician. At least Edwards didn't have all of that particular baggage. Edwards did seem to know alot more about Tort reform than Cheney as would be expected considering his profession. Cheney did nothing but pound that same old tired republican drum of "dirty nasty lawyers", which fails to understand that the cure to the problem is not the lawyers. Nor is it the people that file. It is the legislature that fails to draft decent laws.

eliminatedsprinter
10-06-2004, 02:15 PM
Still not sure if you understand the word bigot.
I do. From both an acidemic standpoint and a practical real world stand point.
I did not call you a bigot. But many of your statements here display streotyping, intolarance, and predudice, thus making them "bigoted' statments. But that is not the same as being a bigot. For example, we all say or do stupid things sometimes, But that does not make us all stupid.
I pointed out that you have said many bigoted things in this thread and I still stand by that. What you do with that input is up to you.

kahanamoko
10-06-2004, 02:51 PM
Eliminatedsprinter. I know plenty of republicans whose company I enjoy. They are committed to their opinions and yet are willing to concede that many of the talking heads of the conservatives are idiots. Bush. Limbaugh. Cheney. Rantel. Elder. O'Reilly. Hannity. They realize that either those idiots actually believe what they say or are simply trying to sensationalize things to get a desired effect. Reelection. Ratings. Whatever. After hearing many of the stupid comments from many on this particular site who demonstrate that they are close-minded, died in the wool conservatives, I expressed my opinion. I was immediately attacked. Fine. I simply joined the fray. If they cannot handle the pressure that is their problem. If they want me to stop posting, tough. If they would like to drive everybody off this site other than those with their narrow-minded view so they can feel comfortable then that is too bad. They can create or go to another posting site. Unless and until this site's name if changed from "Hot Boat Forums" to "Conservative Talk Only" I will continue to frequent this site. I enjoy boating. I like most people that boat. I don't think the people on this particular string represent the majority of boaters. I'm not talking political affiliation. I have no idea of the percentage breakdown of republican vs. democrat boat owners and really don't care to know. I simply know that the people I see at the River, Lake Havasu, Lake Mojave, Lake Castaic, Pyramid Lake, Lake Isabella, Lake Nacimiento, etc. tend to be fun-loving people. Don't see too many reactionary conservative geeks out there. The fact that there are so few people on this chatline (196?) is indiative of the fact that many other open-minded people (like most Americans, and most boaters) dislike listening to conservative or liberal shitheads. Perhaps the agenda here should be to discourage shitheads from BOTH sides of the fence from occupying this site and taking it over. Also, to keep the marketers off the site. Let's just have fun!

OGShocker
10-06-2004, 02:54 PM
I enjoy boating. Let's just have fun!
How is the Bayliner doing this week? ;)

eliminatedsprinter
10-06-2004, 04:10 PM
Eliminatedsprinter. I know plenty of republicans whose company I enjoy. They are committed to their opinions and yet are willing to concede that many of the talking heads of the conservatives are idiots. Bush. Limbaugh. Cheney. Rantel. Elder. O'Reilly. Hannity. They realize that either those idiots actually believe what they say or are simply trying to sensationalize things to get a desired effect. Reelection. Ratings. Whatever. After hearing many of the stupid comments from many on this particular site who demonstrate that they are close-minded, died in the wool conservatives, I expressed my opinion. I was immediately attacked. Fine. I simply joined the fray. If they cannot handle the pressure that is their problem. If they want me to stop posting, tough. If they would like to drive everybody off this site other than those with their narrow-minded view so they can feel comfortable then that is too bad. They can create or go to another posting site. Unless and until this site's name if changed from "Hot Boat Forums" to "Conservative Talk Only" I will continue to frequent this site. I enjoy boating. I like most people that boat. I don't think the people on this particular string represent the majority of boaters. I'm not talking political affiliation. I have no idea of the percentage breakdown of republican vs. democrat boat owners and really don't care to know. I simply know that the people I see at the River, Lake Havasu, Lake Mojave, Lake Castaic, Pyramid Lake, Lake Isabella, Lake Nacimiento, etc. tend to be fun-loving people. Don't see too many reactionary conservative geeks out there. The fact that there are so few people on this chatline (196?) is indiative of the fact that many other open-minded people (like most Americans, and most boaters) dislike listening to conservative or liberal shitheads. Perhaps the agenda here should be to discourage shitheads from BOTH sides of the fence from occupying this site and taking it over. Also, to keep the marketers off the site. Let's just have fun!
It might suprise you that there are many bright people who don't think that the people you listed are idiots. They just disagree with you.
The people on this forum love powerboating. Mr Kerry and the Democratic party get money from and are beholding to, groups (like the "BlueWater" types) who would love to see us kicked (or more likely priced) off of the lakes. They, quite correctly I might add, see supporting Repubilicians as defending their hobby. Most of them are fun loving, hard driving, open minded folks, who are simply tired of having their gov tell them what to do. I myself have observed that every dumb law that has messed up the fun of many of my hobbies has been supported and made by Democrats. It may suprise you that I am a regesterd Democrat. But at this point in my life I'd rather stick myself in the eye with a stick than vote for one of todays micromaneging, social engineering, authoritarian, socialists, that pass for todays democratic leaders. Some of us don't think our government's role should be to play Robin Hood. That does not mean that we are all the Sheriff of Nottingham. I for one am a firm believer that "the government that governs least, governes best" and as a political junkie who has seen the democratic party from the inside (as a former party activist) I can tell you that they are the ones who want to govern most. Therefore, I will oppose them politically for the rest of my life, unless that party makes some very drastic changes. I may not like some of the social positions of the republician party platform, but I find that it is far preferable to the authoritarian, new age, PC, policies of the current Democratic Party. I may not like everything Sean Hannity says, but I'd take him over Jackie Goldberg or Maxine Waters in a heartbeat.

Dave C
10-06-2004, 05:06 PM
kahanamoko
Don't sell yourself short. No, its I that can learn from you on how to be a condescending jerk-off. My qualifications in this field of work are eclipsed by yours. With an ego like yours one can't help but be impressed by your love for youself.
so far you have said absolutely nothing useful but rather used your time to demean people and provide us with useless rhetoric.
Now if I give your ego a stroke a bit and admit that you are "better than me," do you think we can move on and have a civil discussion without you calling us names like a 3 year old?? After all thats what you really want don't you... for us to admit that you are "better than us" :rollside:
BTW I was serious about the offer for help so "IF" you make it to the big time, I'll hook you up with some useful advice. (notice its a big IF) ;)
Dave C. It's nice to see that you put your own insulting and condescending statements in the middle of your emails and not at the beginning or end like me. I'm learning so much from you already and I'm not having to pay your fee. ?
BTW first you asked me what I did then when I told you, you said that you didn't care.... wow.. thats was awfully Kerry'esque of you... ;) :)

Froggystyle
10-06-2004, 07:03 PM
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to eliminatedsprinter again.

Boy Named Sue
10-06-2004, 07:25 PM
Original post by Kahanamoko - "I have enjoyed the intelligent and witty comments by Boy Named Sue."
I bet you say that to all the girls. :) Suuueeey!

steelcomp
10-06-2004, 08:18 PM
Steelcomp, I'd be curious to see what you thought would have been proper grammar for that last sentence you quoted. Just a thought.
I'm still waiting for you to show me the error.
Perhaps you should start another site called Republican Hot Boat Forums. Then it would be clear that only people with one particular viewpoint are allowed. As it is currently, I feel completely entitled to occupy this site and will continue to do so.
It's funny that you should say that. You claim to have come on here and just "joined in", as it were. That is simply not the case. Your first post on this thread was an attack, and insulting. How you could introduce yourself into a thread of this nature, with the position you have defended to the point of stupidity, and expect to have a friendly reception and intellectual conversation or debate only shows how truely self enthralled you are. One would expect that with all your self proclaimed expertise as a lawyer and with your military history, you would have been much more aware of the adverserial territory you were entering. It's very clear from the MANY titles in the political rhetoric forum that there is a strong conservative constituancy here, and that Kerry and the liberalization of this country is loathed. Even YOU could see that. That leaves two possible coonclusions as to what your motivation and goal is by being here.
First is that you really do believe what you are saying and how you are describing yourself is true, in the (to quote a great expression) "Kerryesque", round about way of contradicting yourself that you speak, and are pathological. Very possible. It's clear that you're a phony. That's sad, and for that, there would be no more need to participate in these exchanges with you.
The other possibility is that you are somewhat intelligent, and knew perfectly well what you were doing by interjecting your opinions here, and are simply looking for an arguement. You have a terrible self image, you have no self confidence, and like bullying people, only you're a coward, and find your relief on a safe medium such as the internet. You remain incognito in a week attempt to generate curiosity, yet berate others for their lack of information in their personal profiles. (Typical of your hypocracy) I know what you're going to say, you posted your profession, but info is info. Frankly, I haven't filled mine out simply because I didn't think anyone would care what I did. You clearly wanted people to know you are a LAWYER! You attack, you insult, you use foul language, and you accuse others of the very treatment you have so elequently administered yourself right from your first post. Again, very Kerryesque, and hypocritical. Not withstanding, you, as of yet, have posted ZERO that has any intellectual merit. Your posts are as transparent as they are insulting, full of big words, poor spelling and grammar, but empty of any useful content except to insult and berate, and they are TEXTBOOK projection. You speak right out of the liberal handbook, parroting all the same spewage, with NO original thought or effort. You also display a simple but clear desperation for attention...probably related to issues of abandonment. My earlier comment about being the product of day care wasn't rhetorical. It's a very real problem in our society. You really don't care if people hate you, just, "PLEASE, let me be the center of attention." You also display signs of serious unresolved childhood rage.
I would sincerely like to hear you explain your behavior here. Not make excuses, not divert the attention somewhere else, (although that's exactly what you will do...just watch), not change the subject or talk about how others have acted or talked, just simply explain whay it is you feel it's so necessary to be so angry and insulting. Explain why you came into this thread knowing full well that you were going to start trouble, and even after getting your ass handed to you repeatedly, you choose to continue. Maybe we can better understand you. Are you proud of yourself for this? Does this give you some sort of sadistic satisfaction? If I had received the responses such as you have, I'd take a serious look within, because this has NOTHING to do with your political opinions. No one here knows you except for the way you have intentionally presented yourself on this board. No one here has any pre disposed judgement of you... you have created your existance here as it is. It is really an excellent opportunity for some insight that you might take stock of. Maybe this can be a pivotal experience in your life.
Just my .02...no insults intended this time, although there may be a couple there.

kahanamoko
10-07-2004, 01:19 AM
Steelcomp - Yawn!!!!!!
If you look at my very first post on this string I was attacking Bush. In my second string I indicated that anyone that doesn't see how stupid he is and would vote for him is either willing to vote for anyone that is a republican simply for that reason, or is an idiot themselves. Do you think for one second that I haven't heard or seen much worse said on this very site directed towards anyone that wouldn't vote republican? Do I need to show you? You actually sound intelligent enough to at least concede that point. That I should state what I did, therefore, should not come as a major surprise or shock the senses of those on this site. If they don't like the treatment they hand out then perhaps they should keep their own talk more civil. In the alternative, the gloves are off for all of us. I find it hilarious that many in this string call me "liberal", "Democrat", whatever. As if to realize what an ass Bush and Cheney are automatically makes one a Democrat. Despite the fact that I do see many conservative minded people on this site I see no reason that a moderate cannot enjoy the same pleasure of discussing boating (by the way, although I have no problem with Bayliners, I do not now nor will I ever own one. Looks too much like a Trident). I have no problem with my childhood. That you would identify that period of life makes me wonder if perhaps you yourself don't have issues there but that is your business and I wouldn't have brought it up if you hadn't first (see how that works).
I agree that less government is better. Why don't you do this research and see what you find (or take a guess and see if you're right). First this question. Do you respect the Constitution? Would you consider anyone that constantly attacks the Constitution to be American? Do you think that the framers of the Constitution intended to create a document that was meant to last or one that could constantly be revised? Now the question. Which of the two political parties would you guess has proposed the most amendments to the Constitution over the last 20 years? The Republicans! Apparently, much like a rotten sportsman, if they cannot win their argument with the current rules they simply try to change them. Flag burning amendment (personally, I think anyone that burns an American flag is a complete ass considering the sacrifices of those that have died to defend that for which it stands. Being an ass, however, should not be against the law. Otherwise, many on this very site would be on their way to incarceration). Heterosexual marriage only amendment. etc. etc. Which political party was behind the government seizure laws created in the 80's (laws that are perhaps the biggest violation of civil rights in recent history and a complete violation of laws against unlawful taking by the government. Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty?). How about that Patriot Act? Ever heard the quote: "Anybody who would trade a little freedom for a little safety will lose both and deserves neither." How about, "Live Free or Die"? Go ahead and trade away your freedom if you like. I choose not to and refuse to vote for anybody that would rob me of the freedom handed down to me by our forefathers. I don't trust government, but I also recognize that our government, unlike any in the history of the world, is the most representative government ever. It is a government of the people. Yes. The politicians are Americans too. We get to place them there. If we don't like them we can get rid of them.

steelcomp
10-07-2004, 05:48 AM
Steelcomp - Yawn!!!!!!
If you look at my very first post on this string I was attacking Bush. In my second string I indicated that anyone that doesn't see how stupid he is and would vote for him is either willing to vote for anyone that is a republican simply for that reason, or is an idiot themselves. Do you think for one second that I haven't heard or seen much worse said on this very site directed towards anyone that wouldn't vote republican? Do I need to show you? You actually sound intelligent enough to at least concede that point. That I should state what I did, therefore, should not come as a major surprise or shock the senses of those on this site. If they don't like the treatment they hand out then perhaps they should keep their own talk more civil. In the alternative, the gloves are off for all of us. I find it hilarious that many in this string call me "liberal", "Democrat", whatever. As if to realize what an ass Bush and Cheney are automatically makes one a Democrat. Despite the fact that I do see many conservative minded people on this site I see no reason that a moderate cannot enjoy the same pleasure of discussing boating (by the way, although I have no problem with Bayliners, I do not now nor will I ever own one. Looks too much like a Trident). I have no problem with my childhood. That you would identify that period of life makes me wonder if perhaps you yourself don't have issues there but that is your business and I wouldn't have brought it up if you hadn't first (see how that works).
I agree that less government is better. Why don't you do this research and see what you find (or take a guess and see if you're right). First this question. Do you respect the Constitution? Would you consider anyone that constantly attacks the Constitution to be American? Do you think that the framers of the Constitution intended to create a document that was meant to last or one that could constantly be revised? Now the question. Which of the two political parties would you guess has proposed the most amendments to the Constitution over the last 20 years? The Republicans! Apparently, much like a rotten sportsman, if they cannot win their argument with the current rules they simply try to change them. Flag burning amendment (personally, I think anyone that burns an American flag is a complete ass considering the sacrifices of those that have died to defend that for which it stands. Being an ass, however, should not be against the law. Otherwise, many on this very site would be on their way to incarceration). Heterosexual marriage only amendment. etc. etc. Which political party was behind the government seizure laws created in the 80's (laws that are perhaps the biggest violation of civil rights in recent history and a complete violation of laws against unlawful taking by the government. Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty?). How about that Patriot Act? Ever heard the quote: "Anybody who would trade a little freedom for a little safety will lose both and deserves neither." How about, "Live Free or Die"? Go ahead and trade away your freedom if you like. I choose not to and refuse to vote for anybody that would rob me of the freedom handed down to me by our forefathers. I don't trust government, but I also recognize that our government, unlike any in the history of the world, is the most representative government ever. It is a government of the people. Yes. The politicians are Americans too. We get to place them there. If we don't like them we can get rid of them.
I rest my case! :sleeping: :sleeping: :sleeping:

kahanamoko
10-07-2004, 06:50 AM
Steelcomp,
Go tell Mommy you've been writing bad things on the computer now. Leave the big boy talk to the adults.

Dave C
10-07-2004, 09:06 AM
Its ironic you say this because you call people names like a 3 year old does.
I tell my 3 year old son not to call people names and he seems to listen better than you.
Steelcomp,
Go tell Mommy you've been writing bad things on the computer now. Leave the big boy talk to the adults.

kahanamoko
10-07-2004, 10:49 AM
Its ironic you say this because you call people names like a 3 year old does.
I tell my 3 year old son not to call people names and he seems to listen better than you.
A three year old? Then I guess you're living proof of the fact that it's unfortunate people have to pass a test for a drivers license but any idiot can procreate. Let's hope he realizes what an unreasonable and opinionated jerk his father is and develops his own opinions about things.

Dave C
10-07-2004, 10:56 AM
Idiot..... huh? thats the best you can do?... I thought you told us that you were an attorney?
well if you are an attorney, and I don't believe it, that means that you have at least 4 years of college plus 3 years of post graduate school and all you can come up with is the term "idiot." That is a term we used in middle school.
thats says alot about your level of education because you should be able to do much better than that.
So please try to use your high school education and come up with something better please because now you just look silly.

kahanamoko
10-07-2004, 11:24 AM
Idiot..... huh? thats the best you can do?... I thought you told us that you were an attorney?
well if you are an attorney, and I don't believe it, that means that you have at least 4 years of college plus 3 years of post graduate school and all you can come up with is the term "idiot." That is a term we used in middle school.
thats says alot about your level of education because you should be able to do much better than that.
So please try to use your high school education and come up with something better please because now you just look silly.
I have to tailor the level of conversation to the intelligence of the audience. In this case, since I was talking to you, perhaps high school was too difficult for you. How about this (for you): You're a bad, bad, bad man!
There, understand?

Steve 1
10-07-2004, 11:26 AM
Typical rant from the classic liberal Marxist nobody.

kahanamoko
10-07-2004, 11:42 AM
I see Dave C has a protector.

Steve 1
10-07-2004, 11:43 AM
I see Dave C has a protector.
No purveyor of the obvious.

Dave C
10-07-2004, 12:02 PM
What gratitude. I already acknowledged that "you are better than me."
Isn't that enough for you? I know you have a superiority complex that is why I provided you with a ego stroke already.
This "I am better than you are" routine of yours is getting pretty old.
Steve1 has a point. I only know of one group of people who have such a narcissistic superiority complex. It fits you perfectly. Those types of people are the lowest forms of human that I have ever met!
Funny thing is most of them don't even know they are despicable people. (proof positive by kahanamoko's next post!) ;)
I have to tailor the level of conversation to the intelligence of the audience. In this case, since I was talking to you, perhaps high school was too difficult for you. How about this (for you): You're a bad, bad, bad man!
There, understand?

Dave C
10-07-2004, 12:33 PM
now that you mentioned it, you know what you guys have in common?
You know that routine that you do.... the one where you threaten to hold your breath and scream at us until we agree with you and give you what you want..... my three year old does that too!
:rollside:
its soo cute... I usually tell him to lie on the floor until the temper tantrum goes away.
A three year old? Then I guess you're living proof of the fact that it's unfortunate people have to pass a test for a drivers license but any idiot can procreate. Let's hope he realizes what an unreasonable and opinionated jerk his father is and develops his own opinions about things.

kahanamoko
10-07-2004, 04:53 PM
"now that you mentioned it..."
For those of you who are still reading this thread, the expression is, "now that you MENTION it. Other than that, he still sounds like a whiny baby.

Steve 1
10-07-2004, 05:05 PM
Rats hero!

Seadog
10-07-2004, 05:36 PM
One thing that you have to admire about Bush is that he talks like a person, not some prick of a lawyer that wouldn't know substance if it bit him on the butt.
Personnally, I wouldn't mind if the Trial Lawyers Association was declared a terrorist group and treated as such.

steelcomp
10-07-2004, 06:00 PM
For those of you who are still reading this thread, the expression is, "now that you MENTION it.
Says who?
Kakamoto as a kid...."I'm rubber, you're glue, whatever you say bounces off me and sticks to you. Na na na!"
Kakamoto as an adult...."it dosent matter how nasty or mean you can be, because I've been practicing my hole life, and I can out insult any of you!"
All this is, is a one upsmanship contest for you, isn't it? Showing us your superiority? Coming up with a BETTER insult, because that's the only thing you've accomplished here. You must have had the shit knocked out of you daily as a kid, or even a teen. Girls probably beat you up!!
My bet is that you're a fat, bald headed drug addict aids infected slob living in your own squalor, and you hide in your room pretending to be the worst possible example of a human you can imagine.
You're doing an excellent job. You probably still live at home and your mommy probably still sexually abuses you. Imagine, you having a mother.
How proud she must be! :confused:
That's on your level.

steelcomp
10-07-2004, 06:04 PM
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Dave C again.

Debbolas
10-07-2004, 06:22 PM
OK, so my Presidental debate thread went from a conversation about the debate, to a shooting contest, to a 3rd grade name calling contest? :confused:
lol :D

Tremor Therapy
10-07-2004, 06:28 PM
I enjoy the company of all of them because, unlike you, their opinions regarding politics don't spew from their mouths like vile crap when I'm somewhere simply trying to enjoy myself. Like here.
I must admit that I have enjoyed this much more than the debate. But, kahanamoko, I find this comment to be very interesting. After reading all of the pages of banter, the one who continued to demean the other members by name calling and increasing insults was.......well, you.
I am a moderate, and did not find either candidate that successful in presenting their side, case, cause. I believe Kerry presented himself better on TV, but I did not see any substance to his rhetoric.
My problem with your posts has been the attacking nature towards the other members here. I have no problem with your views on the job that President Bush has done, in fact I even share many of them. So, rather than your continued attacks and uninteresting verbal tirades towards other members, how about some substance about your reasoning behind voting for someone other than Bush? Because quite frankly, your earlier response to vote for anyone else and "hope that things will be better" comment, is more politically frightening than hearing some of the "reasons" I have heard from actual outright pro-Kerry supporters.

steelcomp
10-07-2004, 06:29 PM
OK, so my Presidental debate thread went from a conversation about the debate, to a shooting contest, to a 3rd grade name calling contest? :confused:
lol :D
Yeah, we should all be ashamed of ourselves!
NOT! :argue: :cool:

Dave C
10-07-2004, 06:41 PM
since your a teacher would you ever consider some corporal punishment? if so may I volunteer? cuz I know I've been bad ;)
OK, so my Presidental debate thread went from a conversation about the debate, to a shooting contest, to a 3rd grade name calling contest? :confused:
lol :D
BTW kahanamoko is a narcissist..... someone who takes pleasure by imposing misery upon others..... I've worked with the type for years. They get off on it. I think the appropriate response would be to kick him in the junk. :hammer2:
He finds our mere existence as conservatives reprehensible and therefore, he is trying to make us miserable. These are the types that end up as a serial murderers and genocidal maniacs like Hitler and Stalin

steelcomp
10-07-2004, 06:50 PM
I must admit that I have enjoyed this much more than the debate. But, kahanamoko, I find this comment to be very interesting. After reading all of the pages of banter, the one who continued to demean the other members by name calling and increasing insults was.......well, you.
I am a moderate, and did not find either candidate that successful in presenting their side, case, cause. I believe Kerry presented himself better on TV, but I did not see any substance to his rhetoric.
My problem with your posts has been the attacking nature towards the other members here. I have no problem with your views on the job that President Bush has done, in fact I even share many of them. So, rather than your continued attacks and uninteresting verbal tirades towards other members, how about some substance about your reasoning behind voting for someone other than Bush? Because quite frankly, your earlier response to vote for anyone else and "hope that things will be better" comment, is more politically frightening than hearing some of the "reasons" I have heard from actual outright pro-Kerry supporters.
That was civil...kudos.
I live in a primarily liberal democratic town, Santa Barbara, CA. It has to be the bleeding heart capitol of the world, and I never pass up an opportunity to ask a Kerry supporter (I guess I've asked more than 200) why they are voting for Kerry, where he stands on several issues, and answer me without mentioning Bush's name.
Results?
0.
Not one has, as of yet, given any reason they are voting for Kerry soley on his merit or qualifications. Young, old, black, white, male, female. Not one. It's always about Bush, and weak, at that. Most just repeat the spewage that they hear on the main stream media. Some have shown an understanding of the issues, but still always come back to Bush.

Debbolas
10-07-2004, 06:55 PM
I just thought it was funny, is all. :)
1) Discuss the Presidential Debate
2) Challenge your fellow posters to a shooting contest (not each other, use targets)
3) Begin calling each other names, like 3rd graders...... :hammerhea
Where will it go next? :wink: