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steelcomp
10-08-2004, 04:48 PM
UPI...John Kerry wins debate.
John Kerry was superior tonight as he dominated George Bush. He was better dressed, had a bigger smile, was taller and had better hair. He spoke more clearly, was more direct, and used bigger words. His shoes were shined more brilliantly and, oh yeah, he has a plan.

Back Forty
10-08-2004, 04:51 PM
:messedup: It's almost TIME!
I don't expect much from Bush but should he have his debate game on, the media will have kerry in the winners circle. After the VP debate I am sure of this. :messedup:

Steve 1
10-08-2004, 04:55 PM
UPI...John Kerry wins debate.
John Kerry was superior tonight as he dominated George Bush. He was better dressed, had a bigger smile, was taller and had better hair. He spoke more clearly, was more direct, and used bigger words. His shoes were shined more brilliantly and, oh yeah, he has a plan.
LOL the plan is secret; Oop’s make that a double secret...

Squirtin Thunder
10-08-2004, 05:01 PM
Watch the Line - G.W. Bush
There are dotted lines all over the floor that they can't cross. WTF is this Shit????
Jim
BTW- G.W. Bush better cross every line he can tonight !!!!

Squirtin Thunder
10-08-2004, 05:15 PM
So far G.W. Bush is kickin the crap out of Carry.

Dr. Eagle
10-08-2004, 05:29 PM
Watch the Line - G.W. Bush
There are dotted lines all over the floor that they can't cross. WTF is this Shit????
Jim
BTW- G.W. Bush better cross every line he can tonight !!!!
Remember when ALGORE was an idiot and came right up to Bushs face in the last elections debate. That is what the dotted line is all about.

Squirtin Thunder
10-08-2004, 05:35 PM
G.W. Bush just knocked Carry on his ass by showing who is in charge.

twistedpair
10-08-2004, 05:42 PM
Last debate went to Kerry (IMO). So far tonight, I think GW is kickin' the snot out of him (as it should be). Kerry is a "say and do anything to get elected liberal" look at his record.
Sure, GW ain't the greatest thing since sliced bread, but he's way better than the alternative.

Back Forty
10-08-2004, 05:55 PM
I thought Bush started off really bad but his wet spark plug wire dried out and he is finally warming up. Honestly I think Kerry pissed him off. He seems to do better when somebody try's to kick him in the jimmies. He's doing right.
I hope kerry rears up again with a swift kick to the jewls. Bush will only rise to the occasion.

Dr. Eagle
10-08-2004, 05:57 PM
Kerry keeps hammering on the "top 1%" what a load of crap. That top 1% includes all SUbchapter S corporations or small businesses. He acts like he is only picking on the country club set.
Seems like GW is doing quite well tonight! Where was Kerry on tort reform... brilliant!

Back Forty
10-08-2004, 06:12 PM
WELL!!! Bush is working the crowd now!
Firing on all eight there! :coffeycup

Back Forty
10-08-2004, 06:17 PM
Stem cell lady just stuck a high heel shoe up Kerry's ass.
Nobody in the media ask's kerry this question.
Thanks Lady.

twistedpair
10-08-2004, 06:43 PM
So where was this GW last time? You could see that he was pissed off, yet kept the stammering to a minimum. Kerry is no doubt the better speaker, but GW rose to the occasion and kicked his ass.

Mullet
10-08-2004, 06:45 PM
I saw a fire tonight in GW that I liked but as far as the issues go that mean the most to me, I am leaning towards Kerry (Carry).

Back Forty
10-08-2004, 06:48 PM
In short, which issues Mullet?

steelcomp
10-08-2004, 06:48 PM
I saw a fire tonight in GW that I liked but as far as the issues go that mean the most to me, I am leaning towards Kerry (Carry).
You're joking, right? Please tell me you're joking. :frown:

Steve 1
10-08-2004, 06:54 PM
Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha What Issues/Programs did Horse-Face reveal?

Mullet
10-08-2004, 06:57 PM
In short, which issues Mullet?
It starts with abortion issues and works it way up. It may sound silly, but I feel that if a president is ruling based on his religious beliefs, then he is not making the best decision for a country based on freedom. It is not my right to tell you not to do something, nor should it be your right to tell me what to do. Where does it end? Strip Clubs being shut down? Radio and TV being even more censored then it already is. I dont even like Howard Stern but I think it sucks the restaints that have been placed on him. People are in an uproar cause a nipple was shown on TV. Hell, if I was in Europe I could see breast all day long on TV, I could even have started drinking at 16 or so. Does that make Europe the best place to live? Hell no! There is no where eles in the world I would want to live then right here in sunny Orange County California. If I get some broad knocked up, (Leykis 101 would prevent that though) I would want the choice to have an abortion.
I dont like religion in politics. I dont think it belongs, and Bush is very religious.

Mullet
10-08-2004, 06:58 PM
You're joking, right? Please tell me you're joking. :frown:
Joking about what part? There are 2 senteces with different meanings.

Dave C
10-08-2004, 07:00 PM
maybe the last debate kicked GW into gear finally......
Good .... don't let that blowhard Kerry get away with that nonsense.

Steve 1
10-08-2004, 07:02 PM
When I hire someone I look very carefully at the resume and Kerry Has NONE Nothing!!And is running for the Nations highest office. LOL Only in America.

Mullet
10-08-2004, 07:07 PM
Yet neither had Bush when he was elected.

steelcomp
10-08-2004, 07:13 PM
Yet neither had Bush when he was elected.
I think if you look at Sen Kerry's record of accomplishments over the last twenty years, (zero, except to vote to raise taxes more than anyone else ever has and render our military basically helpless) and compare them to GW's especially as Senators of their respective states, you'd see that GW was WAY more qualified than kerry will ever be.

Mullet
10-08-2004, 07:21 PM
I think if you look at Sen Kerry's record of accomplishments over the last twenty years, (zero, except to vote to raise taxes more than anyone else ever has and render our military basically helpless) and compare them to GW's especially as Senators of their respective states, you'd see that GW was WAY more qualified than kerry will ever be.
How has Kerry as 1 person hindered our Military?
Flipside......
How many business has GW put into bankruptcy?
Dont get me wrong, I am not some strong Kerry supporter by any means. I guess, I am a "flip floper" because I have yet to decide.

Squirtin Thunder
10-08-2004, 07:24 PM
:D Draining the water from the Radiator right now !!!!! :D
Jim :cool:

Back Forty
10-08-2004, 07:25 PM
It starts with abortion issues and works it way up. It may sound silly, but I feel that if a president is ruling based on his religious beliefs, then he is not making the best decision for a country based on freedom.
I see. What if the moral standards for which he stands are based on his religious beliefs. The moral standards for which this country and it's freedom were structured.
I personally believe he is on the correct path and no I'm not a religious person.
It is not my right to tell you not to do something, nor should it be your right to tell me what to do. Where does it end?
I think this is irresponsible. I only recently have learned that sometimes taking a stance and being firm about it is the only method for a structured society. Anarchy is the alternative. Humans are reallity. Eutopia is impossible when Humans are involved. Human nature being the reason.
I don't like religion because of people. But I have had to admit to myself that religion "is" the base for our structured morality as a society. It is the foundation and I would love to hear anybody argue that. The thing that sucks about it is it comes in many forms including the fanatic. I find that the reality is that youdon't need to give into the people but I think it is neccesary to give into the mora;ity and principles that come from religion. Religion is neccesary for the masses because a Eutopian society will never happen. Back to human nature.
I knew people like Kerry in the military. I see his Character. I see him as weak. I think he is the kind of person that lives life by temper tantrum.
As far as his ability to lead this nation, I think he doesn't have the balls to properly deal with foreign issues. I think he a person that can't allow himself to take a stance which is why he has a rep for being a Flip
Flop. I also think he will be another Carter with domestic issues. "Wait and see" policies will never work.

steelcomp
10-08-2004, 07:36 PM
It starts with abortion issues and works it way up. It may sound silly, but I feel that if a president is ruling based on his religious beliefs, then he is not making the best decision for a country based on freedom. It is not my right to tell you not to do something, nor should it be your right to tell me what to do. Where does it end? Strip Clubs being shut down? Radio and TV being even more censored then it already is. I dont even like Howard Stern but I think it sucks the restaints that have been placed on him. People are in an uproar cause a nipple was shown on TV. Hell, if I was in Europe I could see breast all day long on TV, I could even have started drinking at 16 or so. Does that make Europe the best place to live? Hell no! There is no where eles in the world I would want to live then right here in sunny Orange County California. If I get some broad knocked up, (Leykis 101 would prevent that though) I would want the choice to have an abortion.
I dont like religion in politics. I dont think it belongs, and Bush is very religious.
So what values would you suggest? You sound like you're about 17 years old. "If I get some broad knocked up,"?
WTF? Attitudes like yours and the liberal mindset that promotes and condones that kind of thinking is the main problem in our society. It sounds like the only thing you're worried about is yourself.
GW isn't promoting religion, he understands what it takes to keep a society of people healthy and civil. You obviously don't understand that the biggest reason you say "hell no" to living in Europe, is exactly the same mind set there that allows those things to be socially acceptable. Not here.
The idea is to think outside yourself. The idea is to undestand that there needs to be rules. There needs to be laws. There needs to be a value system and this country's instant success has been due to the fact that it and it's constitution were founded and based on Judeo Christian values which call for a higher moral and ethical standard than non Christian countrys, but allows in the freedom thereof to make your own choices. It's real simple. As we as a country have moved awy from these values over the last forty years or so, our society has deteriorated. This is the agenda of the left which today can be mostly defined as communistic and /or socialistic. To remove the laws that protect and define these values, and the more successful they are, the worse things get. That's where John Kerry will take this country, and you better believe this is true. He was a communist sympathizer right out of Viet Nam, and that leopard's spots will never change. He's just found a better way to go about it. His wife is even more so than he. Think I'm kidding? Look into where her money goes politically and some of the groups she supports.
They are a dangerous pair, and to think of them in control of the most powerful country in the nation is not a good thought.
This isn't about you ****in some girl or jackin off on the internet, or Howard Stern's disgusting radio show, or religion, or anything like that.
Figure it out, kid.

Mullet
10-08-2004, 07:36 PM
I see. What if the moral standards for which he stands are based on his religious beliefs. The moral standards for which this country and it's freedom were structured.
I personally believe he is on the correct path and no I'm not a religious person.
I guess it comes down to personal freedoms. I want the personal freedom to decide what is best for me. I want the freedom that I feel is given to me by the constitution. It is my own interpitation.
I think this is irresponsible. I only recently have learned that sometimes taking a stance and being firm about it is the only method for a structured society. Anarchy is the alternative. Humans are reallity. Eutopia is impossible when Humans are involved. Human nature being the reason.
I dont mean that we should go back to the wild west days. I understand that are letters of the law to follow and that does make for the best society.
I don't like religion because of people. But I have had to admit to myself that religion "is" the base for our structured morality as a society.
This country was founded on freedom of religion, which includes being atheist.
I see your point though as well. Obviously murder...hey thats a bad thing. I wouldnt mind banging my neighbors wife though. She is pretty hot :eek:
It is the foundation and I would love to hear anybody argue that. The thing that sucks about it is it comes in many forms including the fanatic. I find that the reality is that youdon't need to give into the people but I think it is neccesary to give into the mora;ity and principles that come from religion. Religion is neccesary for the masses because a Eutopian society will never happen. Back to human nature.
When I see people bombing abortion clinics (although isolated), I feel those are the fanatics that drive me away from people like Bush, because I feel that is the type of people he encourages.
I knew people like Kerry in the military. I see his Character. I see him as weak. I think he is the kind of person that lives life by temper tantrum.
Now give your honest opinion on Bush. Do you really think the guy is strong? I dont view alcoholics as strong charactered people.
As far as his ability to lead this nation, I think he doesn't have the balls to properly deal with foreign issues. I think he a person that can't allow himself to take a stance which is why he has a rep for being a Flip
Flop. I also think he will be another Carter with domestic issues. "Wait and see" policies will never work.
I agree, but I also dont think Bush alone has the ability either. It is Bush's cabinet that does the work. If I had better understanding of who Kerry would appoint I would feel better about him.

Steve 1
10-08-2004, 07:41 PM
Nice Rant but Bush flew 102's and you need 100% of your facilities to do that especially 3:00 AM Scrambles.

572Daytona
10-08-2004, 07:42 PM
Kerry is just such an elitist. I couldn't believe him saying that after looking around the audience the only ones that would be affected by his tax increase (i.e. those that make over 200K/year) would be Him, GW and the moderator. WTF, how in the hell can he know that? I guess if you don't Botox your face, have a $500 haircut and a phony tan there is no way you can be making >$200K? By their own numbers only 2% would be affected, meaning if there were more than 50 taxpayers in that room (it sure looked like there were) chances are you are affecting at least one of them directly (and many more indirectly).
Bush does have religious convictions, but to me (even though I'm not Catholic in anyway) that is much better than being amoral. He has been in office for almost 4 years now and I haven't seen any mass closing of strip clubs,etc. Most of those decisions are the states to make anyhow, not the federal government.

Steve 1
10-08-2004, 07:42 PM
As you can see I love Kerrys Rat Lawyers.

steelcomp
10-08-2004, 07:44 PM
This country was founded on freedom of religion, which includes being atheist.
I see your point though as well. Obviously murder...hey thats a bad thing. I wouldnt mind banging my neighbors wife though. She is pretty hot
If I knew you lived next door to me I'd severley convince you that you made a big mistake posting something like that on a public venue. You really don't get it.
Imagine...this is the product of our education system and the parenting we have today. :burningm:

Mullet
10-08-2004, 07:48 PM
It sounds like the only thing you're worried about is yourself.
I cant deny that. I vote for myself. I vote for how I want to live and I dont believe anything that I believe in will harm you in any manner. If my girlfriend gets knocked up and she has an abortion, how does that affect you? how does it affect anyone, other then us?
GW isn't promoting religion, he understands what it takes to keep a society of people healthy and civil. You obviously don't understand that the biggest reason you say "hell no" to living in Europe, is exactly the same mind ste there that allows those things you think wold be so cool here.
The idea is to think outside yourself. The idea is to undestand that there needs to be rules. There needs to be laws. There needs to be a value system and this country's instant success has been due to the fact that it and it's constitution were founded and based on Judeo Christian values which call for a higher moral and ethical standard than non Christian countrys, but allows in the freedom thereof to make your own choices. It's real simple. As we as a country have moved awy from these values over the last forty years or so, our society has deteriorated.
I agree on points and disagree on others. One thing I disagree on is why the moral system is deteriorating. I dont think
He was a communist sympathizer right out of Viet Nam, and that leopard's spots will never change. He's just found a better way to go about it. His wife is even more so than he. Think I'm kidding? Look into where her money goes politically and some of the groups she supports.
He wasnt a communist sympathizer, he a sympathizer for people who were stuck in a war torn region which just happened to be under communist control. He never said that communism was a good thing. He may have been a hippy that wanted peace, but I disagree that he was anthing but a people sympathizer.
They are a dangerous pair, and to think of them in control of the most powerful country in the nation is not a good thought.
This isn't about you ****in some girl or jackin off on the internet, or Howard Stern's disgusting radio show, or religion, or anything like that.
Figure it out, kid.[/QUOTE]
Im not a kid.
I also said I dont even like Howard Stern, but plenty of people do. So why not allow people who like him to listen to him and those that dont to turn the radio dial? Are you one those people that really believes that heavy metal music makes people do drugs and kill people?

Mullet
10-08-2004, 07:50 PM
This country was founded on freedom of religion, which includes being atheist.
I see your point though as well. Obviously murder...hey thats a bad thing. I wouldnt mind banging my neighbors wife though. She is pretty hot
If I knew you lived next door to me I'd severley convince you that you made a big mistake posting something like that on a public venue. You really don't get it.
Imagine...this is the product of our education system and the parenting we have today. :burningm:
Lighten up Francis, my neighbor isnt even married. It was tounge and cheek.

Mullet
10-08-2004, 07:53 PM
Kerry is just such an elitist. I couldn't believe him saying that after looking around the audience the only ones that would be affected by his tax increase (i.e. those that make over 200K/year) would be Him, GW and the moderator. WTF, how in the hell can he know that? I guess if you don't Botox your face, have a $500 haircut and a phony tan there is no way you can be making >$200K? By their own numbers only 2% would be affected, meaning if there were more than 50 taxpayers in that room (it sure looked like there were) chances are you are affecting at least one of them directly (and many more indirectly).
I agree, I thought he really shot himself in the foot on that one.
Bush does have religious convictions, but to me (even though I'm not Catholic in anyway) that is much better than being amoral. He has been in office for almost 4 years now and I haven't seen any mass closing of strip clubs,etc. Most of those decisions are the states to make anyhow, not the federal government.
LA made it a city ordinace that you cant get lap dances, but I believe it was reversed. I am not saying this is what will happen, but what believe can happen if someone who is a religious zelot takes control.

Back Forty
10-08-2004, 08:02 PM
This country was founded on freedom of religion, which includes being atheist.
I think this is fully wrong.
This country was founded on the principles of morality and what it means to respect others within the base of a structured society. i.e. the Constitution and Bill of Rights. It is this morality that again comes from religious structure. Without it society will not exist. Anarchy will.
When I see people bombing abortion clinics (although isolated), I feel those are the fanatics that drive me away from people like Bush, because I feel that is the type of people he encourages
You are talking about serial killers and murderers. Thats a bit of a leap. You could tie your own moral standards to that arguement if you leap twice..?
Now give your honest opinion on Bush. Do you really think the guy is strong? I dont view alcoholics as strong charactered people.
You have missed something. An addict or alcoholic that can look at him or herself in the mirror, recognize that they have a problem, admit it to themselves and get sober for life is stronger than you or I. A person that confronts their own problems everyday of their life before leaving the house each day is a person that is much better prepared than the person who is free of these chains. Just ask.
Alcoholism and character portraits are unrelated. They are both byproducts.
I agree, but I also dont think Bush alone has the ability either. It is Bush's cabinet that does the work. If I had better understanding of who Kerry would appoint I would feel better about him.
I agree about Bush needing a "team."
I think he has assemble one of the best anybody could ask for in our times considering the available pool.
Kerry has gathered a horrible list. Jesse Jackson is a discrace to start. Where does this guy fit into in a team? That is where Kerry shines as a BS artist. I hope Jesse knows he is a simple tool in Kerry's eye IMHO.

572Daytona
10-08-2004, 08:02 PM
LA made it a city ordinace that you cant get lap dances, but I believe it was reversed. I am not saying this is what will happen, but what believe can happen if someone who is a religious zelot takes control.
Again, decisions like that are more at the state and local level. I don't think Bush is a zealot by any definition of the term. I agree though that I wouldn't want to see someone like Buchanan get elected.

steelcomp
10-08-2004, 08:03 PM
I cant deny that. I vote for myself. I vote for how I want to live and I dont believe anything that I believe in will harm you in any manner. If my girlfriend gets knocked up and she has an abortion, how does that affect you? how does it affect anyone, other then us?
It effected the life of the child you murdered because you were "having fun". :crossx:

058
10-08-2004, 08:06 PM
How has Kerry as 1 person hindered our Military?
Flipside......
How many business has GW put into bankruptcy?
Dont get me wrong, I am not some strong Kerry supporter by any means. I guess, I am a "flip floper" because I have yet to decide.Question #1> Look at Kerry's Senate voting record and then get back to me. Question #2> Exactly how is Bush personally responsable for businesses going into bankruptcy? :confused:

Mullet
10-08-2004, 08:06 PM
It effected the life of the child you murdered because you were "having fun". :crossx:
oh jeez. I now see why you are such the Bush supporter.

572Daytona
10-08-2004, 08:08 PM
The libs seem so "worried" about the soldiers that have given their life's fighting in Iraq, even though those soldiers have volunteered and are aware of the risks that they are taking. Yet on the other hand don't see any issues taking lives of those unborn that don't have any choice what so all in the matter. I just can't see how they can reconcile the two stances.

Mullet
10-08-2004, 08:08 PM
Question #1> Look at Kerry's Senate voting record and then get back to me. Question #2> Exactly how is Bush personally responsable for businesses going into bankruptcy? :confused:
#1....as someone told me earlier, look it up yourself. I am debating with a bunch of different people here, so I dont have time. I AM NOT PRO KERRY. I just like poking holes in GW because I AM NOT PRO BUSH.
#2.....Bush ran some of his own personaly owned oil companys into the ground.

Mullet
10-08-2004, 08:12 PM
The libs seem so "worried" about the soldiers that have given their life's fighting in Iraq, even though those soldiers have volunteered and are aware of the risks that they are taking. Yet on the other hand don't see any issues taking lives of those unborn that don't have any choice what so all in the matter. I just can't see how they can reconcile the two stances.
By definition it is a life and I see your point and it is a good one indeed.
I am not saying that if my girlfriend got knocked up (or should I say pregnant so Steel doesnt get upset) that she would have an abortion. I am saying that if we wanted to have one for whatever reason, it should be our right.

Mullet
10-08-2004, 08:19 PM
You have missed something. An addict or alcoholic that can look at him or herself in the mirror, recognize that they have a problem, admit it to themselves and get sober for life is stronger than you or I. A person that confronts their own problems everyday of their life before leaving the house each day is a person that is much better prepared than the person who is free of these chains. Just ask.
Alcoholism and character portraits are unrelated. They are both byproducts.
You could go either way I guess. I view it as a person who chooses to go down that road to begin as the weak person. They need that crutch to get them through the day.
I dont have to ask anyone, I grew up in it. I know all to well about alcoholism and chose not to go down that road.

058
10-08-2004, 08:21 PM
#1....as someone told me earlier, look it up yourself. I am debating with a bunch of different people here, so I dont have time. I AM NOT PRO KERRY. I just like poking holes in GW because I AM NOT PRO BUSH.
#2.....Bush ran some of his own personaly owned oil companys into the ground.So how does that effect you? If he wants to declare bankruptcy with a private business how does that concern you? And if you particapate on this forum you had better be able to back up what you post, otherwise keep it to yourself. :hammer2:

Mullet
10-08-2004, 08:25 PM
So how does that effect you? If he wants to declare bankruptcy with a private business how does that concern you? And if you particapate on this forum you had better be able to back up what you post, otherwise keep it to yourself. :hammer2:
how does it effect me?
I got a guy running my country who ran his own business into bankruptcy. I think its pretty clear.

Back Forty
10-08-2004, 08:28 PM
I dont have to ask anyone, I grew up in it. I know all to well about alcoholism and chose not to go down that road.
It's a small world Mullet. Small world.

steelcomp
10-08-2004, 08:29 PM
oh jeez. I now see why you are such the Bush supporter.
Don't go there, OK? You seem to be a pretty nice guy, but I don't think you want to start making sarcastic comments.
I am a supporter of life, and if there was a little more morality instilled in our children, instead of this "whatever you like is ok" bs, we would have far fewer of these problems to discuss. You don't seem to have any guide lines for your living, except for what makes you feel good. You have only yourself for accountability, and that basically says anything goes. As far as I'm concerned, you're way of thinking presents a hazard to society. You sound very simplistic in your ideals, you sound naive, uninformed, and gullible.
I believe hole heartedly in what GW stands for, and what he's trying to restore in this country. It's too bad that we've come SO far to the left from where we were that new generations don't even have anything to relate to. Our schools have been infiltrated and are liberal indoctrination centers, and the parents of today's generation are just the products of that. They really don't knnow any better, and obviously you don't either.

Mullet
10-08-2004, 08:30 PM
It's a small world Mullet. Small world.
It is indeed. And while I may not agree with you politically, Id still buy you a soda.

Mullet
10-08-2004, 08:34 PM
Don't go there, OK? You seem to be a pretty nice guy, but I don't think you want to start making sarcastic comments.
I am a supporter of life, and if there was a little more morality instilled in our children, instead of this "whatever you like is ok" bs, we would have far fewer of these problems to discuss. You don't seem to have any guide lines for your living, except for what makes you feel good. You have only yourself for accountability, and that basically says anything goes. As far as I'm concerned, you're way of thinking presents a hazard to society. You sound very simplistic in your ideals, you sound naive, uninformed, and gullible.
I believe hole heartedly in what GW stands for, and what he's trying to restore in this country. It's too bad that we've come SO far to the left from where we were that new generations don't even have anything to relate to. Our schools have been infiltrated and are liberal indoctrination centers, and the parents of today's generation are just the products of that. They really don't knnow any better, and obviously you don't either.
That is your opinion, from your views. My opinions from my views state the exact opposite. Out of curiousity, how old are you? How often do you go to church? I will pony up that I am 31, and never go to church first.
I cant make sarcastic comments to you but you fling mud at me like in that last sentence??????

steelcomp
10-08-2004, 08:36 PM
how does it effect me?
I got a guy running my country who ran his own business into bankruptcy. I think its pretty clear.
Mullet, there's LOTS of guys who fail at businesses. You should be glad that GW has been there, done that. It gives him just another piece of added experience to help him relate to the "litle guy". He's got this country's economy smokin right now, so instead of looking for ways to poke holes in GW, why don't you look for the good he's done. What's wrong with you?
You have someone running this country that has also been a Navy fighter pilot. AFAIC, that takes about the biggest balls I can think of. I've been flying since before I can drive, and I don't think I'd want to try and land one of those things on a floating football field, hoping I hook a 2" cable with a 4" hook to keep me out of the ocean. Flying one of those things in dog fight mode is way radical!

058
10-08-2004, 08:37 PM
how does it effect me?
I got a guy running my country who ran his own business into bankruptcy. I think its pretty clear.And you have a guy that wants to run this country that lives off of rich women's money...[Republican money at that]...just how is he better qualified to run the world's sole superpower when he has never earned a dollar he can call his own? I would REALLY like to hear your PROLIFIC answer to this simple question. :)

Mullet
10-08-2004, 08:41 PM
Mullet, there's LOTS of guys who fail at businesses. You should be glad that GW has been there, done that. It gives him just another piece of added experience to help him relate to the "litle guy". He's got this country's economy smokin right now, so instead of looking for ways to poke holes in GW, why don't you look for the good he's done. What's wrong with you?
GW relating to the little guy????? Oh stop right there, you're killing me!

steelcomp
10-08-2004, 08:43 PM
That is your opinion, from your views. My opinions from my views state the exact opposite. Out of curiousity, how old are you? How often do you go to church? I will pony up that I am 31, and never go to church first.
I cant make sarcastic comments to you but you fling mud at me like in that last sentence??????
Just making a point...I apologise.
I am 46 and have done my "church" time, but no more. It's not about religion, and if you could learn to look outside yourself, and realize that you are a part of a group, adn that you effect the group, you could realize some terrific value from things like the Bible. Have you ever read it?
I'm really curious to see what your reaction to this is. You're going to accuse me of someting that's not true. Watch.

steelcomp
10-08-2004, 08:49 PM
Following is a brief backround on Mrs. John Kerry. This is what you Kerry supporters are asking for in a First Traitor. BTW, if you're not for Bush, you're for Kerry. You can't hide in the middle, here, because not voting is a no vote for Bush, which is a vote for Kerry. Here's what your NO vote supports:
Maria Teresa Thiersten Simoes-Ferreira Heinz Kerry. Married Senator Kerry in 1995. She only took his name eighteen months ago and she is an "interesting" paradox of conflicts.
If you thought John Kerry was scary, he doesn't hold a candle to his wife! Maria Teresa Thiersten Simoes-Ferreira Heinz Kerry was born in Mozambique, the daughter of a Portuguese physician, was educated in Switzerland and South Africa. Fluent in five languages, she was working as a United Nat ions interpreter in Geneva in the mid-60's when she met a "handsome" young American, H. John Heinz, III, who worked at a bank in Geneva. He told her his family was "in the food business."
They were married in 1966 and returned to Pittsburgh where his family ran the giant H. J. Heinz food company. He was elected to the US House of Representatives in 1971, and in 1976 he was elected to the first of three terms in the United States Senate. A Republican, he wrote a burning diatribe against some of the causes backed by young House member John Kerry.)
Several years later, in 1991, he was killed when his plane collided with a Sun Oil Company helicopter over a Philadelphia suburb. The senator, his pilot and copilot, and both of Sun's helicopter pilots were killed. He was survived by his wife, Teresa, and their three young sons. Four years later, having inherited Heinz's $500 million fortune, she married Senator John Forbes Kerry, the liberal then-junior senator from Massachusetts. She became a registered Democrat and the process of her radicalization was set in motion.
Heinz Kerry is not shy about telling people that she required Kerry to sign a prenuptial agreement before they were married. John Kerry may not have check writing privileges on the Heinz catsup and pickle fortune, but he is certainly a willing and uncomplaining beneficiary of it.
A lot of hard-earned money, made through many years of hawking catsup, mustard, and pickles has fallen into the hands of two people who despise successful entrepreneurship and who believe in the confiscatory redistribution of wealth.
So how does Mrs. Heinz Kerry spend John Heinz's money?
Just one example: According to the G2 Bulletin, an online intelligence newsletter of WorldNetDaily, in the years between 1995-2001 she gave more than $4 million to an organization called the Tides Foundation. And what does the Tides Foundation do with John Heinz's money?
They support numerous antiwar groups, including Ramsey Clark's International Action Center. Clark has offered to defend Saddam Hussein when he's tried.
They support the Democratic Justice Fund, a joint venture of the Tides Foundation and billionaire hate-monger George Soros. The Democratic Justice Fund seeks to ease restrictions on Muslim immigration from "terrorist" states.
They support the Council for American-Islamic Relations, whose leaders are known to have close ties to the t errorist group, Hamas.
They support the National Lawyers Guild, organized as a communist front during the Cold War era. One of their attorneys, Lynne Stewart, has been arrested for helping a client, Sheikh Omar Abdel Rahman, communicate with terror cells in Egypt. He is the convicted mastermind of the 1993 World Trade Center bombing.
They support the "Barrio Warriors," a radical Hispanic group whose primary goal is to return all of Arizona, California, New Mexico, and Texas to Mexico.
These are but a few of the radical groups that benefit, through the anonymity provided by the Tides Foundation, from the generosity of our would-be first lady, the wealthy widow of Republican senator Jo hn Heinz, and now the wife of the Democratic senator who aspires to be the 44th President of the United States.
Aiding and supporting our enemies is not good for America, regardless of your political views.
If voters will open their eyes, educate themselves and see the real Teresa Heinz Kerry, they will not appreciate her position as ultra rich fairy godmother of the radical left. They will not want to imagine her laying her head on a pillow each night inches away from the President of the United States.
Hopefully they love this country enough to decide that the only way these two will ever be allowed into the White House is with an engraved invitation in hand.
Instead of deleting this, pass it on. Let everyone know these people are unfit to represent this great nation. The uninformed will never hear the truth from the press, who wants Kerry elected!
Those who buy the Kerry facade, beware what you vote for - - - you may regret that you got it!
In God We Trust

Mullet
10-08-2004, 08:51 PM
Just making a point...I apologise.
I am 46 and have done my "church" time, but no more. It's not about religion, and if you could learn to look outside yourself, and realize that you are a part of a group, adn that you effect the group, you could realize some terrific value from things like the Bible. Have you ever read it?
I'm really curious to see what your reaction to this is. You're going to accuse me of someting that's not true. Watch.
Dude, I did my caddicism (sp?), first communion and all that stuff. Is my life based on it? Well, I probably wouldnt have killed anyone even if I hadnt gone. And I certainly have my set of morals, which generally hasnt really hurt anyone except a couple of girls I never called the next day.
Im not sure what you thought I was going to accuse you of, but now I am not going to just to prove you wrong. You ruined it man!

Mullet
10-08-2004, 08:53 PM
Are you guys anti links and anti sources around here or what?

steelcomp
10-08-2004, 08:53 PM
Dude, I did my caddicism (sp?), first communion and all that stuff. Is my life based on it? Well, I probably wouldnt have killed anyone even if I hadnt gone. And I certainly have my set of morals, which generally hasnt really hurt anyone except a couple of girls I never called the next day.
Im not sure what you thought I was going to accuse you of, but now I am not going to just to prove you wrong. You ruined it man!
I gave you that one. :D Would have bet you were going to accuse me of being a Bible thumper.
NOT!

Mullet
10-08-2004, 08:59 PM
I gave you that one. :D Would have bet you were going to accuse me of being a Bible thumper.
NOT!
The last thing I would do at ***boat.com is call someone a bible thumper. Ive been to the sandbar forum and seen the pics. That is why I am so much disbelief that there are so many tighty righties around here.

steelcomp
10-08-2004, 09:05 PM
The last thing I would do at ***boat.com is call someone a bible thumper. Ive been to the sandbar forum and seen the pics. That is why I am so much disbelief that there are so many tighty righties around here.
There's a good reason for that, here. Good opp for you to think. Lot's of business owners, good peeps. They recognise Kerry for who he really is. GW isn't the be-all and end-all, but IMO (and a lot of other's) he's dong a very good job considering what he was handed when he took office, and what happened on 9-11.
If all you do is listen to the news on TV, you'll never know the truth. I'm not saying this is so, but you SOUND like that's where you get your info.

Mullet
10-08-2004, 09:10 PM
There's a good reason for that, here. Good opp for you to think. Lot's of business owners, good peeps. They recognise Kerry for who he really is. GW isn't the be-all and end-all, but IMO (and a lot odf other's) he's dong a very good job aonsidering what he was handed when he took office, and what happened on 9-11.
If all you do is listen to the news on TV, you'll never know the truth. I'm not saying this is so, but you SOUND like that's where you get your info.
Honestly,
I never watch the news, unless it is the local news and that is the channel 11 news and after 5 minutes I turn, and keep fliping around til sports comes back on.
I read a lot of online articles, mostly what I find on msn and yahoo. OK OK OK I admit it, I have watched Bill Mahr a couple of times..............

CrazyHippy
10-09-2004, 12:12 PM
I'll agree w/ the freedom of choice thing. I'm against abortion. I dont think it's right, but i dont think the federal govt should have the say.
I also dont think they should have any say in how i spend my money. The govt should not be forcing me to use their healthcare. They should not force me to invest how they want me to for my retirement (social security). They Should not be forcing me to donate money to the poor.
I'm a big boy, and can make decisions on my own, why would i even think of voting for someone that wont let me.
btw, Why hasn't Kerry been brought to trial on the warcrimes he admited too?
BJH
It starts with abortion issues and works it way up. It may sound silly, but I feel that if a president is ruling based on his religious beliefs, then he is not making the best decision for a country based on freedom. It is not my right to tell you not to do something, nor should it be your right to tell me what to do. Where does it end? Strip Clubs being shut down? Radio and TV being even more censored then it already is. I dont even like Howard Stern but I think it sucks the restaints that have been placed on him. People are in an uproar cause a nipple was shown on TV. Hell, if I was in Europe I could see breast all day long on TV, I could even have started drinking at 16 or so. Does that make Europe the best place to live? Hell no! There is no where eles in the world I would want to live then right here in sunny Orange County California. If I get some broad knocked up, (Leykis 101 would prevent that though) I would want the choice to have an abortion.
I dont like religion in politics. I dont think it belongs, and Bush is very religious.

MagicMtnDan
10-09-2004, 12:23 PM
GW kicked Ketchup boy's ass and it was a good thing to watch.
Let's make it simple here folks. It's just like GWB said, Kerry is for bigger government and having the government spend even more money to take care of the people while the present administration is not.
If you think your taxes are too high now and you're gonna vote for the Johns you're making a huge mistake.
If you think the two Johns can/will fix the healthcare system you're going to be very disappointed (look at Canada's "healthcare system" or Europe's socialized medicine to learn the truth).
If you think the two Johns are for tort reform you don't have a clue.
If you think John Kerry's extreme liberal record is a good thing for this country you could be in for the shock of your life.
The government is already taking way too much of our money and rights. It ain't nothing like it's gonna be if the two Johns get elected.
I wish the Bush haters would take a step back and think about what the "alternative" means. It's ugly and it will be painful. Just say no to the two Johns.

Mullet
10-10-2004, 08:39 AM
And you have a guy that wants to run this country that lives off of rich women's money...[Republican money at that]...just how is he better qualified to run the world's sole superpower when he has never earned a dollar he can call his own? I would REALLY like to hear your PROLIFIC answer to this simple question. :)
It proves that he will do what ever it takes including sleep with a really ugly lady.

Back Forty
10-10-2004, 08:56 AM
:idea: :jawdrop:
I think that lady is lit half the time. She's always on some other planet. :mix:

Forkin' Crazy
10-10-2004, 08:57 AM
It proves that he will do what ever it takes including sleep with a really ugly lady.
That's not saying much about ole Lurch. He ain't the shiniest rock in the bucket..lol.

058
10-10-2004, 09:29 AM
It proves that he will do what ever it takes including sleep with a really ugly lady.Finally, we agree on something: [1] He will sleep with ugly women for money....that makes him a ???? [2] He will do anything to become president including compromising his principals if he has any at all and so far he hasn't shown he has any principals, just ask the Swiftboat Vets. :p

Froggystyle
10-10-2004, 10:42 AM
I dont like religion in politics. I dont think it belongs, and Bush is very religious.
You bring up good points. It is obvious you are not a die hard liberal, and in fact, you may actually be undecided!
I feel the same way. Fact is, no president will, or can ever have the power to do away with abortion. It is just not going to happen. I don't think abortion should be federally funded, and I don't think that children under 16 should be able to do it without telling their parents. That is pretty much the way it is right now. No presidential candidate is going to change that, and as you saw in the debate, Kerry claims to be deeply religious too, so that should not be a deciding factor for you.
The way I see it, a man of strong principles, regardless of where they came from be it religion, upbringing, experience or otherwise is what we need in the White House. I don't think Kerry is bringing anything strong to the equation at all. I say that with an open mind. He doesn't have a single redeeming virtue in my book, and he has done a lot of stuff I am flat out appalled by. His conduct after Vietnam is reprehensible, his conduct during this election is at the most weak, and he shows a real penchant towards fence sitting. What I found most unimpressive about Kerry was in the middle of explaining how he is committed and not flip flopping, he changed positions, then articulated that he changed positions.
Bush has sack. The world has more respect for (if not a love for) America because of him. The Patriot act, combined with our aggressive attack of all things terrorist has put America in a postion to catch and thwart terrorists every day. The buzz lately has been that we have literally thwarted one terrorist action per day for the last three years. At home and abroad.
I can't with good conscience consider a vote for Kerry, for any reason. He lacks credibility, and I think he would literally say anything he thought you wanted to hear. I would rather hear the truth, or some version of it that I was cleared for.
When you take away the things that a President really can't do anything about.. Abortion, Fuel use, rights for legal citizens, immigration etc... you break it down to what they can do something about. Military strength and use, Intelligence strength and use, World events and responses, Nuclear weapons, Legislation of "normal" laws and probably the single thing that a president can do to positively or negatively affect me, tax law are things they can do. I feel Bush will do them better than Kerry.

steelcomp
10-10-2004, 04:35 PM
You bring up good points. It is obvious you are not a die hard liberal, and in fact, you may actually be undecided!
I feel the same way. Fact is, no president will, or can ever have the power to do away with abortion. It is just not going to happen. I don't think abortion should be federally funded, and I don't think that children under 16 should be able to do it without telling their parents. That is pretty much the way it is right now. No presidential candidate is going to change that, and as you saw in the debate, Kerry claims to be deeply religious too, so that should not be a deciding factor for you.
The way I see it, a man of strong principles, regardless of where they came from be it religion, upbringing, experience or otherwise is what we need in the White House. I don't think Kerry is bringing anything strong to the equation at all. I say that with an open mind. He doesn't have a single redeeming virtue in my book, and he has done a lot of stuff I am flat out appalled by. His conduct after Vietnam is reprehensible, his conduct during this election is at the most weak, and he shows a real penchant towards fence sitting. What I found most unimpressive about Kerry was in the middle of explaining how he is committed and not flip flopping, he changed positions, then articulated that he changed positions.
Bush has sack. The world has more respect for (if not a love for) America because of him. The Patriot act, combined with our aggressive attack of all things terrorist has put America in a postion to catch and thwart terrorists every day. The buzz lately has been that we have literally thwarted one terrorist action per day for the last three years. At home and abroad.
I can't with good conscience consider a vote for Kerry, for any reason. He lacks credibility, and I think he would literally say anything he thought you wanted to hear. I would rather hear the truth, or some version of it that I was cleared for.
When you take away the things that a President really can't do anything about.. Abortion, Fuel use, rights for legal citizens, immigration etc... you break it down to what they can do something about. Military strength and use, Intelligence strength and use, World events and responses, Nuclear weapons, Legislation of "normal" laws and probably the single thing that a president can do to positively or negatively affect me, tax law are things they can do. I feel Bush will do them better than Kerry.
Froggy...great post.
When you really think about it, the President's primary job is the Cmdr. In Chief. He is the head of the military, and the fed govt's primary job is to protect us, it's citizens, from foreign attacks, threats against our livelyhoods, and provide us the security to live peacefully and freely within in this country.
His other primary responsibility is that of diplomacy. He is our head diplomat and our representative to the world, and an aggressive, hostile world it is.
Really, the president serves little other importance.
John Kerry would fail drastically and dramatically at these two jobs. Plain and simple.
I love a line that Rush Limbaugh uses. He says that, "the world is GOVERNED by the aggressive use of force."
Like it or not, no truer words were ever spoken.