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carbonmarine
11-16-2004, 01:54 PM
California Dem's Consider " By-the-Mile Driving Tax "
If you drive a car in California, you could soon find yourself being taxed for it.
That's because the state's Department of Motor Vehicles chief wants to tax drivers for every mile they drive.
Newly appointed by Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger to head up the DMV, Democrat Joan Borucki has long advocated a tax-by-the-mile scheme.
Schwarzenegger hasn't signed off on the plan, but he appointed Borucki. What does that say?
According to the L.A. Times, her scheme would require each car be fitted with a mileage tracking device that beamed a signal to a GPS satellite. A driver's tax would then be calculated based on total miles driven.
The plan would supplant the state's current means of deriving revenue from drivers – the 18-cent-a-gallon gasoline tax.
But the scheme is illustrative of the failure of the liberal-socialist welfare state mentality.
For years, liberal California environmentalists have been pressuring their Democratic allies in state government to tighten automotive emissions and gas mileage standards.
Hence, for years California residents have been penalized for wanting to drive any vehicle larger than a beer can with a motor.
Now that residents have finally responded to all this pressure and penalization by buying high-mileage, cleaner-burning vehicles, the welfare socialists in state government are afraid the current gasoline tax won't be sufficient to maintain the state's roadways.
They can't get the money from other budgetary line items because it's all earmarked for entitlements, such as paying for education, medical care and welfare benefits for the state's vast illegal alien population.
So, the end result is all of those Californians who were pressured into buying and driving tin cans will have done so for naught, as a driving tax generates revenue on miles driven, not gallons of fuel bought.
That means, as one opponent of the plan told the Times, it won't make any difference if a driver is operating a Toyota Prius hybrid or a Hummer.
There are also privacy concerns, say opponents of this scheme. A global tracking system device on your automobile will allow government snoops to monitor you wherever you drive – which may be the underlying goal of this entire plan anyway.
The liberal answer to this constitutional privacy concern is to ask, "If you're not doing anything wrong, what are you worried about?"
Never mind the fact that in America, without provocation, the government has no need or right to track you in the first place.
On another note, the air in California's major cities is smoggy and dirty, with no relief in sight, no pun intended. What's next – a tax on every breath of air? :sqeyes: :sqeyes: :sqeyes: :sqeyes: :sqeyes: :sqeyes: :sqeyes:

It's Only Money
11-16-2004, 01:59 PM
California Dem's Consider " By-the-Mile Driving Tax "
If you drive a car in California, you could soon find yourself being taxed for it.
That's because the state's Department of Motor Vehicles chief wants to tax drivers for every mile they drive.
Newly appointed by Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger to head up the DMV, Democrat Joan Borucki has long advocated a tax-by-the-mile scheme.
Schwarzenegger hasn't signed off on the plan, but he appointed Borucki. What does that say?
According to the L.A. Times, her scheme would require each car be fitted with a mileage tracking device that beamed a signal to a GPS satellite. A driver's tax would then be calculated based on total miles driven.
The plan would supplant the state's current means of deriving revenue from drivers – the 18-cent-a-gallon gasoline tax.
But the scheme is illustrative of the failure of the liberal-socialist welfare state mentality.
For years, liberal California environmentalists have been pressuring their Democratic allies in state government to tighten automotive emissions and gas mileage standards.
Hence, for years California residents have been penalized for wanting to drive any vehicle larger than a beer can with a motor.
Now that residents have finally responded to all this pressure and penalization by buying high-mileage, cleaner-burning vehicles, the welfare socialists in state government are afraid the current gasoline tax won't be sufficient to maintain the state's roadways.
They can't get the money from other budgetary line items because it's all earmarked for entitlements, such as paying for education, medical care and welfare benefits for the state's vast illegal alien population.
So, the end result is all of those Californians who were pressured into buying and driving tin cans will have done so for naught, as a driving tax generates revenue on miles driven, not gallons of fuel bought.
That means, as one opponent of the plan told the Times, it won't make any difference if a driver is operating a Toyota Prius hybrid or a Hummer.
There are also privacy concerns, say opponents of this scheme. A global tracking system device on your automobile will allow government snoops to monitor you wherever you drive – which may be the underlying goal of this entire plan anyway.
The liberal answer to this constitutional privacy concern is to ask, "If you're not doing anything wrong, what are you worried about?"
Never mind the fact that in America, without provocation, the government has no need or right to track you in the first place.
On another note, the air in California's major cities is smoggy and dirty, with no relief in sight, no pun intended. What's next – a tax on every breath of air? :sqeyes: :sqeyes: :sqeyes: :sqeyes: :sqeyes: :sqeyes: :sqeyes:
f uck that s hit! Why do I have to pay with my economy car the same rate as some guy with a hummer 'cause I drove the same miles?

chub
11-16-2004, 02:06 PM
That's the kind of shtuf that'll make me drive right on out of this state to my Arizona house and set up permanent residence there. Work in LA, rent an apartment and flee the state every weekend. Our new Kulifornia goobernator better haed this one off.

Desert Rat
11-16-2004, 02:11 PM
F uck em I drive almost 40 miles a day on Federal property. NOT state roads!! My tax guy claims my state road taxes back at the end of the year too! These A holes need to fix the broken system.

HighRoller
11-16-2004, 02:16 PM
And you know that the by the gallon tax won't go away either if they have their way. They'll tax you by the gallon, by the mile, etc...I could solve all of California's financial problems in two words.
CUT SPENDING

carbonmarine
11-16-2004, 02:35 PM
Another two words for the most part :
** DEPORT ILLEGALS **
Rick32

GHTRIM
11-16-2004, 02:47 PM
It truley amazes me, how these f' in people, which we appoint can find an infinant way of taxing people :mad: By the way I have started to bottle up some of this clean Las Vegas air and will be selling it to all Californians at a very reasonable price :) Really, there is nothing funny about what they intend on doing....... Bastards!!!!! :220v: :220v: :220v: :mad:

oldbuck40
11-16-2004, 02:51 PM
thats all f***ed up,,,my sister lives in LA and wanted to move back to texas well they have some money put away in the bank but were told that if they moved out of state they would have to pay some sort of tax on their stash if they took it out of state,,,now how screwed up is that?

totenhosen
11-16-2004, 03:06 PM
thats all f***ed up,,,my sister lives in LA and wanted to move back to texas well they have some money put away in the bank but were told that if they moved out of state they would have to pay some sort of tax on their stash if they took it out of state,,,now how screwed up is that?
WHAT????
I don't forsee this tax by mile thing ever becoming a reality. As head of the DMV she should be worrying about things that she could actually imrpove the DMV like their crap service etc.
And what happens if I drive my car out of state will I be taxed on those miles as well. And this plan will lead to is more paperwork, government foul-ups and I guarantee people will find whatever way they can to cheat this system.

oldbuck40
11-16-2004, 03:10 PM
call it bull shit buy the mile!

MudPumper
11-16-2004, 03:11 PM
Not to mention the government installing a GPS tracking device in the car. Yeah F ucking right. That will never happen. :idea:

Dribble
11-16-2004, 03:51 PM
Oh yeah,
I'm sure Arnold would sign that one. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

beer hunter
11-16-2004, 04:23 PM
That's about the lamest damn thing heard I've heard the state propose sense teaching "Ebonics" in the public schools. We already pay over 45 cents per gallon in state, local and federal taxes right now. By my math, I'm already paying over $1200/year in fuel taxes for my cars alone.
I have an idea, let's start voting the state's socialist out of office starting with our next election cycle. :mad: :argue: :eat:

Misogynist
11-16-2004, 04:58 PM
There already is a "tax per mile" in this state... it's the extra tax that has been heaped onto the already expensive cost of gasoline... the more you drive... the more gas you burn... the more gas you purchase... the more tax you pay.... Why do these A-hole politicians always try to make things more complicated?.......... :hammerhea

CA Stu
11-16-2004, 05:00 PM
Internet rumor, pure BS.
Thanks
CA Stu

Captain Dan
11-16-2004, 05:26 PM
Another two words for the most part :
** DEPORT ILLEGALS **
Rick32
Or:
LEGALIZE MARIJUANA
Sorry - couldn't help myself

Huckleberry
11-17-2004, 07:00 AM
Internet rumor, pure BS.
Thanks
CA Stu
Uh, no it's not. Watch your TV. It is all over the news. Unfortunately this is for real. :mad:

Tequila-John
11-17-2004, 07:07 AM
The Bad thing for us that live in Ca. is that our state is in major debt. They are going to think of anything to try and get us some what on track. I disagree on this bill, Az is looking better and better each day.....

Essex502
11-17-2004, 07:48 AM
Hopefully the trucker's lobbies will get on this and stop it cold. Also, don't "new" taxes require a 2/3's majority vote of the people? Or will the legislature try to claim that this a a revision of an exissting tax?