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bigq
11-20-2004, 12:13 AM
(11-19) 11:36 PST THE HAGUE, Netherlands (AP) --
One of the most popular politicians in the Netherlands said Friday the country's democracy is under threat and called for a five-year halt to non-Western immigration in the wake of the killing of a Dutch filmmaker by a suspected Muslim radical.
"We are a Dutch democratic society. We have our own norms and values," right-wing lawmaker Geert Wilders told The Associated Press in an interview. "If you chose radical Islam you can leave, and if you don't leave voluntarily then we will send you away. This is the only message possible."
In his first interview with the foreign media since the slaying of filmmaker Theo van Gogh on Nov. 2, Wilders said his own life has been repeatedly threatened. He said he has begun living under state protection and has even had to stay away from his own home.
Wilders split with the free-market coalition partner Liberal Party two months ago because it backed the candidacy of predominantly Muslim Turkey for the European Union.
He formed his own conservative party, the Wilders Group, which has one seat in the 150-member parliament. But a recent poll suggested his anti-immigrant message was reverberating through the electorate, and he would win 24 seats if elections were held today -- up from 19 seats before Van Gogh's murder.
Wilders said that without swift, bold action, Islamic fundamentalism will topple the country's democratic system.
"The Netherlands has been too tolerant to intolerant people for too long," he said. "We should not import a retarded political Islamic society to our country. There is nothing to be ashamed of to say this. It's not Islam. I speak out against the facts."
In Brussels, Belgium, European Union leaders met Friday to discuss immigration, one of Europe's most pressing and sensitive issues. EU justice and interior ministers agreed to demand that new immigrants learn the language of their adopted countries and adhere to "European values" to guide them toward better integration.
Even as the number of immigrants arriving in Europe falls due to tougher policies, led by a sharp drop in the Netherlands, Wilders said closing the borders isn't enough. Newcomers should be forced to integrate.
"If in a mosque there is recruitment for jihad, it's not a house of prayer, it's a house of war. If it's not a house of prayer, it should be closed down," he said.
Wilders, known for his radical positions and peroxide-blond hair, has been a member of parliament since 1998. He was born and educated in the southern city Venlo, near the German border.
"I'm very tough on radical Islam. I have the toughest ideas on beating this problem and I'm proud of it. I say nothing wrong. I'm no racist, no anti-Islamist," he said.
Wilders and the police took the death threats more seriously following the slaying of Van Gogh, who had produced a television drama critical of how women are treated in some Muslim societies. The filmmaker was shot and stabbed to death, allegedly by a 26-year-old suspected Islamic extremist who holds Dutch and Moroccan citizenship.
The most recent threats were disclosed when two terror suspects, arrested Nov. 10 after a standoff in which several policemen were wounded by a hand grenade, were charged with threatening Wilders and other politicians, their lawyer said.
The latest video threat broadcast on the Internet -- in Dutch, with Arabic music in the background -- condemns Wilders for insulting Islam and offers the reward of paradise for his beheading.
Wilders' style and cause are reminiscent of Pim Fortuyn, a flamboyant political outsider who put immigration on the national agenda before the 2002 elections. Fortuyn was shot to death by an animal rights activist days before the vote, but major parties since have largely embraced his ideas.
Wilders said he is not opposed to mainstream Islam but is concerned by studies saying 10 percent of the Dutch Muslim population -- or about 100,000 people -- support radical Islamic views.
He cited a report by Dutch intelligence saying recruitment for jihad, or holy war, is taking place in as many as 20 mosques in the Netherlands, and said they should be closed and their imams, or preachers, arrested and deported.
"If we don't do anything ... we will lose the country that we have known for centuries. People don't want the Netherlands to be lost, and this is something that I get angry about and I am going to fight for, to keep the country Dutch," he said.

cdog
11-20-2004, 09:57 AM
The same thing will start happening here because of political correctness. :frown:
We let the mexi's do it. Not with mosks but with mexi resturaunts on every corner and 15 of them living in the house down the street.
God help us if we let the towel heads do the same.
Here in OC there's alot of them and they usualy have alot of money. Where do they get it from?

Forkin' Crazy
11-20-2004, 10:16 AM
The same thing will start happening here because of political correctness. :frown:
We let the mexi's do it. Not with mosks but with mexi resturaunts on every corner and 15 of them living in the house down the street.
God help us if we let the towel heads do the same.
Here in OC there's alot of them and they usualy have alot of money. Where do they get it from?
Your right about that. Not only in the mexi resturaunts, but now land scaping, yard mowing, and contractors are using them. I know a guy that plants trees for a living, and he uses them. The blacks here will not work. They would rather sit and collect a welfare or SSI check. Pretty sad...
BTW Nice Weimaraner!

HighRoller
11-21-2004, 07:27 AM
All the stupid liberals who let these people into the country need to be thrown out as well. Germany is having the same problem. They have tape recorded speeches from within a mosque of an Imam spewing hate filled Anti-German rhetoric. These towel heads aren't interested in getting along with ANYBODY. They are racists, pure and simple. France has already been overrun with Muslims and we're next if we don't sack up!

Schiada76
11-30-2004, 03:10 PM
Anyone else know the addresses of the mosques within about a five mile radius of their house?
Damnit! I just dropped my tin foil hat! :

sorry dog
12-07-2004, 08:25 PM
Your right about that. Not only in the mexi resturaunts, but now land scaping, yard mowing, and contractors are using them. I know a guy that plants trees for a living, and he uses them. The blacks here will not work. They would rather sit and collect a welfare or SSI check. Pretty sad...
I used to be a contractor that worked them...because they work.
Not all, but a good many of them want to integrate and have American ideals. Helluva lot better than the alternative I see in the 'hood around here.
Anyway, I haven't met many Muslims so my vote is still out, but the ones I have met are VERY bad examples.
...It's hard not to be predudiced against them sometimes.

Forkin' Crazy
12-08-2004, 05:38 PM
Anyway, I haven't met many Muslims so my vote is still out, but the ones I have met are VERY bad examples.
Well I have..... I would say 95% are ass holes! I went to school with a shit pile of them at Sparta School of Aeronautics in Tulsa, OK. Every one of them was ass holes. Generally the ones that own the convenient stores are the same way. They should be nice; after all, we are paying the interest on their interest free government loans!!! I also went to a local trade school, where I almost got in a fight with the biggest (size wise) dune coon I have ever seen. And he had a hammer in his hand swinging it at me!!!
I ain't got shit for them. Wouldn't piss on them if they were on fire, unless I could piss gasoline!!!
BTW there is a mosk here that, after 9/11/01, they built a 12' cinder block wall around it. I wonder what they are doing in there? :confused:

ssanddemon
12-08-2004, 06:25 PM
It's pretty hard to blame the Mexicans in an individual way. Their country is a sh-t hole, and we let them come here fairly easily. They can work for a few years and retire back home, or support a large family by sending them money. It's really kind of a no brainer on their part. I blame our politicians for not enforcing our border and for giving the illegals the same (if not more) rights than we have as citizens. As a side note, here where I live, we are seeing more and more crimes being committed by the illegal Mexicans; they are certainly bringing a negative aspect to the places they stay. And yes, I went to college with lots of arabs- think of a scummy used-car salesman with a big ego- that's your typical arab guy. They must not all be jerks, but all the guys I ever met were. Must be something in the culture. This coming from Portland, OR; home of the Portland Seven.

Steve 1
12-09-2004, 05:05 PM
Here is more..
Note the percentages below They aren't entirely stupid. Their pattern has been much the same in the last couple of centuries...
1) Infiltrate the culture...but don't assimilate
2) Decry religious intolerance (the U.S. is in this stage)
3) When they have a large enough population, governments are influenced. Armed confrontations begin.
4) When they have a plurality, they institute Muslim law or violent overthrow begins (whichever is easier).
5) If they couldn't institute Muslim law in step 4, they eventually get around to it. At this point, they oppress the religious and ethnic minorities.
Look around the world and see if this pattern isn't repeated...
Europe:
Bosnia - Muslims vs. Slavs
Albania/Kosovo - Muslims vs. Slavs
FYRoM - Muslims vs. Slavs/Greeks
Cyprus - Muslims vs. Greeks
Africa:
Algeria - Muslims vs. secular democracy
Sudan - Muslims vs. Christians
Egypt - Muslims vs. Christians
Eritrea/Ethiopia - Muslims vs. ?
Middle East and environs:
Armenia/Azerbijan - Muslims vs. Christians
Iraq - Muslims vs. Kurds
Iraq - Sunni Muslims vs. Shia Muslims
Iraq - Muslims vs. USA
Israel - Muslims vs. Jews
Lebanon - Muslims vs. Christians/Druze
Iran - Muslims vs. secular democrats
Asia:
Pakistan - Muslims vs. Christians/Hindus
India - Muslims vs. Hindus
Afghanistan - Muslims vs. Muslims
Afghanistan - Muslims vs. USA
China - Muslims vs. Communists
Russia - Muslims vs. Slavs
Georgia - Muslims vs. Slavs
Phillipines - Muslims vs. secular democracy
Indonesia - Muslims vs. secular 'democracy'/militarists
Uzbekistan - Muslims vs. fascists
Afghanistan 18M 99%
2 Albania 2.3M 75%
3 Algeria 22M 98%
4 Bahrain .220M 99%
5 Bangladesh 100M 85%
6 Cameroon 6.2M 55%
7 Central African Republic 2M 55%
8 Chad 4M 85%
9 Dahomey 3M 60%
10 Egypt 51M 93%
11 Ethiopia 27M 65%
12 Gambia .4M 85%
13 Guinea 4.3M 95%
14 Guinea-Bissau .81M 70%
15 Indonesia 161M 95%
16 Iran 48M 98%
17 Iraq 14.5M 95%
18 Ivory Coast 5M 55%
19 Jordan 3M 95%
20 Kuwait 1M 98%
21 Lebanon 3M 57%
22 Libya 3M 100%
23 Malaysia 14.5M 52%
24 Maldive Islands 12M 100%
25 Mali 6M 90%
26 Mauritania 2M 100%
27 Morocco 24M 99%
28 Niger 4.5M 91%
29 Nigeria 100M 75%
30 Oman .75M 100%
31 Pakistan 90M 97%
32 Qatar .18M 100%
33 Saudi Arabia 10.5M 100
34 Senegal 7M 95%
35 Sierra Leone 3M 65%
36 Somalia 5M 100%
37 South Yemen 1.5M 95%
38 Sudan 22M 85%
39 Syria 11M 87%
40 Tanzania 15M 65%
41 Togo 2.1M 55%
42 Tunisia 7M 95%
43 Turkey 66M 99%
44 U.A.E .32M 100%
45 Upper Volta 6M 56%
46 North Yemen 6M 99%
Here are the countries with a Muslim minority. In practically everyone, the Muslims are spreading fear and hate and killing of non-Muslims..
Country Name Muslims % of total population
Angola 1.5M 25%
Argentina .5M 2%
Australia .13M 1%
Bhutan .05M 5%
Botswana .03M 5%
Brazil .21M .2%
Bulgaria 1.3M 14%
Burma 3M 10%
Burundi .7M 20%
Cambodia .07M 1%
Canada .1M .5%
China 100M 11%
Congo .15M 15%
Cyprus .21M 33%
Equatorial Guinea .07M 25%
Fiji .06M 11%
France 2M 3.80%
Germany 1.5M 2.40%
Ghana 3M 30%
Gibraltar .003M 10%
Greece .27M 3%
Hong Kong .004M 1%
Guyana .01M 15%
India 100M 12%
Italy .55M 1%
Japan .01M 1.00%
Kenya 4M 29.50%
Liberia .5M 30%
Lesotho .12M 10%
Malagasy Republic 1.4M 20%
Malawi 1.7M 35%
Malta .045M 14%
Mauritius .14M 19.50%
Mozambique 2.2M 29%
Namibia .034M 5%
Nepal .5M 4%
Netherlands .2M 1.50%
Panama .05M 4%
Philippines 5M 12%
Portuguese Timor .012M 20%
Reunion .09M 20%
Rumania .2M 20%
Zimbabwe 1M 15%
South Africa .5M 2%
Sri Lanka 1.2M 9%
Surinam .1M 25%
Swaziland .046M 10%
Thailand 6M 14%
Trinidad & Tobago .127M 12%
Uganda 4M 36%
U.K 1.5M 2.70%
U.S.S.R (Russia) 60M 20%
U.S.A 3.2M 1.50%
Yugoslavia 5M 20%
Zaire 2.4M 10%
Zambia .7M 15%
I may be wrong, but I doubt it. The religion of peace is very consistent.