San Francisco at it again

[Seadog]

I just read that SF is going to vote to totally ban handguns, except for police or military. If passed, you would not be able to buy, own or sell a gun. The only other major US city to have done this, Washington D.C., just happens to be the murder capital of the nation. Just goes to show you that logic or experience has never detered a liberal from a stupid cause. :hammer2:

[angry dad]

Damn!!! WTF!! Don't the liberal dumb asses understand???? deterence = complance!!im keeping my stuff!! ;)

[Forkin' Crazy]

Welcome to the UK, Australia, Canada, ect......
What did Hitler do? Disarm the citizens!!!!!! :hammerhea
OUT OF MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!!!!! :crossx:

[Dave C]

yup you are right. They are at it again. Frisco's sups love to be the pioneers when it comes to far-left legislation.
Their logic (or lack thereof) is that since no one is a member of a militia then no one has the right to posses a gun.
My interterpretation of the second amendment is that we have the right to possess a gun so we can join a militia, if necessary.
The framers wanted us to have the right to "change" our government, by force if necessary, so the intent of the constitution is not to restrict gun ownership to just the government but allow all citizens to have a gun.

[HighRoller]

Actually, the logic is that once the citizens give up their guns the criminals will be so touched that they will drop their guns as well and everyone can hold hands and sing Kumbayah around a big campfire. In reality, once the citizens are denied their 2nd amendment rights, criminals will be emboldened and start doing whatever they want, whenever they want to whomever they want because they know there's a good chance none of them have a gun. You gotta love a city that treats the law abiding citizens like criminals and protects criminals from the consequences of their actions. Hopefully the NRA will tie this one up in court until the year 3000.

[Forkin' Crazy]

In reality, once the citizens are denied their 2nd amendment rights, criminals will be emboldened and start doing whatever they want, whenever they want to whomever they want because they know there's a good chance none of them have a gun.
That is exactly right. And that is what has happened in England!!! :220v:
Can you have the next best thing? How about a sawed off shotgun?

[ROZ]

Washington DC had a gun ban, but it will soon be lifted by the supreme court... So the city with the highest murder rate(didn't change with the ban) is gaining guns, and the city with the lower rate is attempting to start the ban...
There is only one gun dealer in the SF city limits..
They're trying to write it so it's not unconstitutional, but it will likely be overturned and end up being a big waste of our tax money....
I think SoCal should anex from Norcal....

[Seadog]

A 2001 report covered by the BBC, showed that there was a 40% increase in gun crimes two years after the 1997 gun ban. It also showed that the areas with the highest level of legal gun ownership, were inclined to have the least increase in gun crimes.
They showed that the criminals were smuggling, building and rigging guns and had little problems with the legal restrictions. It would seem to me that anyone with a modest knowledge of machine work, can fabricate a gun. The hard part is the the casings and powder for the bullets. England has even had report of screwdrivers that were made into one shot weapons.
It is hard to get a impartial analysis of the English results as there is much distortion on both sides, but one of the reasons we parted from England was the draconian rules that were being applied to the colonies without any representation that understood the needs of a wilderness.

[HM]

I think SoCal should anex from Norcal....
I second the motion!

[Jeanyus]

I think Southern Cal should annex from Northern Cal but you have to take San Francisco with the deal, you can have the 49ers, and Raiders too.

[Dave C]

I think you fockers mean secede. If you annex, you get to keep Norcal, which you don't want to do.
I live within a stone throw of Frisco so I understand where you guys are coming from.
Can you take San Mateo with you? ;) :D
Also we should keep the 49ers.

[STV_Keith]

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[EricPhilbin]

If you start comparing this to England, you're going to have to explain why violent crimes are almost non-existant. True, guns dont kill people bla bla bla, but it's alot easier.

[Forkin' Crazy]

If you start comparing this to England, you're going to have to explain why violent crimes are almost non-existant. True, guns dont kill people bla bla bla, but it's alot easier.
Not from what I read and hear. I guess you have been there and know!!!
I call BULLSHIT again!!! :o

[wsuwrhr]

I just read that SF is going to vote to totally ban handguns, except for police or military. If passed, you would not be able to buy, own or sell a gun. The only other major US city to have done this, Washington D.C., just happens to be the murder capital of the nation. Just goes to show you that logic or experience has never detered a liberal from a stupid cause. :hammer2:
When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.
Brian

[EricPhilbin]

Thanks for reciting what 'they' tell you to...

[Forkin' Crazy]

Thanks for reciting what 'they' tell you to...
Let me get this straight. They don't tell me to recite anything. Your thinking of such shows your liberal mind set.
"Every one that has a gun is evil, evil, EVIL I TELL YOU!!!!!!!!"
It's called self protection/self perservation. Yes I like my firearms. And I just might be one of those "assult weapon carrying rednecks".
Violent crimes are almost non existant in England? Where do YOU get your information? I read that it is totally opposite. Like Washington, D.C.
:hammerhea

[mickeyfinn]

Sounds like Ya'll need to pass a law similar to the one that was passed here in 1980's.
Gun Law Ordinances
The City's most famous ordinance adopted in March 1982 reads as follows. Click here for a link to the Police Department for statistical information on crime or contact the City Clerks office for additional information.
Sec. 34-1 Heads of households to maintain firearms.
(a) In order to provide for the emergency management of the City, and further in order to provide for and protect the safety, security and general welfare of the city and its inhabitants, every head of household residing in the City limits is required to maintain a firearm, together with ammunition therefore.
(b) Exempt from the effect of this section are those heads of households who suffer a physical or mental disability, which would prohibit them from using such a firearm. Further exempt from the effect of this section are those heads of households who are paupers or who conscientiously oppose maintaining firearms as a result of beliefs or religious doctrine, or persons convicted of a felony.
This is Kennesaw Georgias law which requires heads of household to own a gun and ammunition. It does provide an out for the liberal pansies who think guns are bad.
Household robberies dropped 89% almost immediately and have leveled off at over 70% below levels reported before the law went into effect.

[Seadog]

Anyone who thinks that violence is almost non-existent in England does not pay attention. The whole point of this subject is that the no gun concept is a failure. There may be less gun crimes, but they are still there and they are increasing. Compare the number of bombings, knifing and other violent crimes with those of New York or D.C. and you might be shocked.

[Schiada76]

If you start comparing this to England, you're going to have to explain why violent crimes are almost non-existant. True, guns dont kill people bla bla bla, but it's alot easier.
Congratulations!!!!!!!!!!!! :rollside:
You have reached official lying liberal status! You have earned the Josef Stalin. Josef Goebbles Adolf Hitler memorial plaque!
Perhaps (unlikely) you are just misinformed. So try this, do a little search on the rise in violent crime in GB and Australia since their failed firearm bans.
In GB now if you DEFEND yourself from a violent criminal (not just with a firearm BTW) YOU go to jail.

[Seadog]

It is no wonder that SF is becoming the most socialistic society in this and many other nations. Someone must have gone out of their way to get an extreme left wing government in place. Now they have made the news because they are going to make stores charge the public for shopping bags. This charge will go to the city supposedly to pay for the damage that the bags do to the environment. I wonder what is next.......a listing of what stores may charge for every item to level the playing field between small and large stores?

[TopCat]

you might want to read this http://www.barefootsworld.net/1stmillionmom.html

[Seadog]

Propaganda, whether left wing or right wing, is still propaganda. The truth lies in the middle. You cannot take guns from the populace and have the criminals obey. It is not realistic. Nor is it realistic to allow everyone access to guns. I am all in favor of having gun owners be required to attend a safety course, and to repeat the course every few years. I also favor reasonable restrictions on who can own one.
Wth all the posturing going on, we have to be careful not to lose the reasonable options.

[TopCat]

Prpaganda, whether left wing or right wing, is still propaganda. The truth lies in the middle. You cannot take guns from the populace and have the criminals obey. It is not realistic. Nor is it realistic to allow everyone access to guns. I am all in favor of having gun owners be required to attend a safety course, and to repeat the course every few years. I also favor reasonable restrictions on who can own one.
Wth all the posturing going on, we have to be careful not to lose the reasonable options.What you say is correct & my above post is propaganda but i would like to think most of us can distinguish between the facts & the crap( except for Eric maybe.... just joking Eric) or at least i'd hope so But you should be careful when you say "reasonable"restrictions cuz the word reasonable is surely open to interpretation what may be reasonable to you might not be reasonable to say Eric. what i was hoping you would read were the stats for Austrialia