So this lady rolled her car and her son was killed....

[Mandelon]

There was an accident this morning here in San Diego. Around 5 am. Mom rolled the car and one of her two children was killed. :frown:
Turns out the 3 year old who died was only seatbelted in. He was NOT in the legal babyseat that is required. :cry:
They want to press legal charges against the Mom.....manslaughter I suppose.
Tell me....has she paid enough? Is the loss of her child punishment enough or does she deserve something more????

[al cole'holic]

There was an accident this morning here in San Diego. Around 5 am. Mom rolled the car and one of her two children was killed. :frown:
Turns out the 3 year old who died was only seatbelted in. He was NOT in the legal babyseat that is required. :cry:
They want to press legal charges against the Mom.....manslaughter I suppose.
Tell me....has she paid enough? Is the loss of her child punishment enough or does she deserve something more????
..putting her in jail would do nothing to change anything and would not be right IMO. :(

[Havasu_Dreamin]

Well, look at it from a different angle. Had the deceased not been her child, would she prosecuted? If so, then yes, she should be prosecuted. The fact that the deceased was her child, while making a tragic situation more so, should have no bearing on her being held accountable for her actions.

[JetBoatRich]

Well, look at it from a different angle. Had the deceased not been her child, would she prosecuted? If so, then yes, she should be prosecuted. The fact that the deceased was her child, while making a tragic situation more so, should have no bearing on her being held accountable for her actions.
Well said, which makes me agree :burningm:
The three year old had no say on how he was secured in the vehicle :burningm:

[LaveyJet]

Is she now an unfit mother? Can she be trusted with the other child?

[PHOTOGLOU]

The guilt she will live with for the rest of her life, she will probably be more of a proactive person pushing child seats, community service IMO letting others know of how it affects you mentally.

[Kilrtoy]

I bet if the kid was in a proper child safety seat, the child would be alive as I write this....
With that said, she was negligent in her actions prompting a manslaughter charge.

[WUTWZAT]

Sorry to jack the thread, but damn Jay (Photoglou) but who dat in your avitar. Oh yeah, not only should she be prosecuted she should be held to a higher standard, because that is her child and we all need to do everything we can to protect them.
But really. who is that? Shes smoking hot........ Does she sell cars? :cool:
Jason

[HCS]

Make her hand out car seats to needy people.

[Mrs. HOOTER SLED]

I think she should get some sort of punisment for what she did.. Yes, having her child die may be punishment in it's self but, I think if you can't be fit enough to put your child in a car seat then you should'nt be driving!!!!!

[76BARRON]

either way..... I'll bet it doesn't take long before they try and pin it on the manufacture of vehicle or $omthing.....

[al cole'holic]

Sorry to jack the thread, but damn Jay (Photoglou) but who dat in your avitar. Oh yeah, not only should she be prosecuted she should be held to a higher standard, because that is her child and we all need to do everything we can to protect them.
But really. who is that? Shes smoking hot........ Does she sell cars? :cool:
Jason
...buy a Chevy from him and she just may show up at your office in Van Nuys with the vehicle and the papers to sign :D :mix:

[Kilrtoy]

Make her hand out car seats to needy people.
Seriously , That would be good community service when she gets out

[HP350SC]

I bet if the kid was in a proper child safety seat, the child would be alive as I write this....
With that said, she was negligent in her actions prompting a manslaughter charge.
I agree she was negligent. Did the 3 yr. old come out of the seatbelt? Were the injuries directly caused by lack of a booster seat? If not, then she shouldn't be prosecuted. A booster seat would put the child's head even closer to the roof...not good if vehicle rolls. :frown:

[hot_diggity_dog]

I bet if the kid was in a proper child safety seat, the child would be alive as I write this....
With that said, she was negligent in her actions prompting a manslaughter charge.
I drove by the seen at 5:20am this morning, the car was flipped upside down on the embankment with the roof crushed. :frown:
It looked like the driver would have been killed too! :confused: I'm not a forensic scientist, nor do I have any other facts, but why does everyone have to play Monday morning quarterback and convict people within day's of these tragic events happening.:rolleyes: :confused:
This is going to be a life changing experience for many years to come. It will effect many people other than just the mother. I think she will suffer for the rest of her life,, and could give a flying F U C K what we think. :argue:
Hot (Showing a little sympathy :D ) Diggity Dog :cool:

[BarryMac]

She is negligent, she should be punished in some sort of way, what that is I have NO idea...

[Mandelon]

If we get selected for the jury we will have to recuse ourselves...
No quarterbacking, just wondered what folks thought. Both arguments seem right.
:frown:

[HCS]

I drove by the seen at 5:20am this morning, the car was flipped upside down on the embankment with the roof crushed. :frown:
It looked like the driver would have been killed too! :confused: I'm not a forensic scientist, nor do I have any other facts, but why does everyone have to play Monday morning quarterback and convict people within day's of these tragic events happening.:rolleyes: :confused:
This is going to be a life changing experience for many years to come. It will effect many people other than just the mother. I think she will suffer for the rest of her life,, and could give a flying F U C K what we think. :argue:
Hot (Showing a little sympathy :D ) Diggity Dog :cool:
Very true.

[HCS]

either way..... I'll bet it doesn't take long before they try and pin it on the manufacture of vehicle or $omthing.....
She'll sue the Automotive manufacture for not having a built in car seat.

[Rock-A-Bye-Baby]

Well, look at it from a different angle. Had the deceased not been her child, would she prosecuted? If so, then yes, she should be prosecuted. The fact that the deceased was her child, while making a tragic situation more so, should have no bearing on her being held accountable for her actions.
Great point. Letting her off because she will suffer the loss of her child the rest of her life is like letting her off for "time served". But a broken law is a broken law regardless of who is involved and what the relationship is to those who are involved. I owe it to my kids to put them in the best possible environment i can, and if i blow it, like she did here, then i deserve the punishement befitting the crime.

[Kilrtoy]

A three year old belongs in a child restraint seat, Not a booster seat unless the child is obese and extremely large for a three year old,
just because the roof colapses does not mean people will be injuried or killed. Vehicles now a days are built to collapse and PROTECT their occupants....
What kinda vehicle was this and approximate year....
And yes she will suffer for years with this, MAYBE

[HP350SC]

My mistake, car seat not booster seat. Haven't had a 3 yr. old for a looong time. :notam:
I don't think most cars have crumple zones in the roof, maybe Volvo.

[73kona455]

hold her accountable.. maybe it will make someone else put there kids in a proper seat and save their childs life

[hot_diggity_dog]

A three year old belongs in a child restraint seat, Not a booster seat unless the child is obese and extremely large for a three year old,
just because the roof colapses does not mean people will be injuried or killed. Vehicles now a days are built to collapse and PROTECT their occupants....
What kinda vehicle was this and approximate year....
And yes she will suffer for years with this, MAYBE
I was just looking at it from a different angle since we don't have any facts. :rollside:
Hypothetical: Lady is getting beat up by her loser boyfriend so she grabs the kids and drives off and has a tragic accident! :220v:
Who knows? :confused:
HDD :cool:

[Kilrtoy]

I was just looking at it from a different angle since we don't have any facts. :rollside:
Hypothetical: Lady is getting beat up by her loser boyfriend so she grabs the kids and drives off and has a tragic accident! :220v:
Who knows? :confused:
HDD :cool:
That is what is called justifiable, BUT WAIT
was the boyfriend chasing her, was he behind her. If not and how far was she from home, Did she have time to pull over and place the child into the seat safetly?????????????

[coolchange]

She'll prolly be charged, plead and not do time.

[hot_diggity_dog]

That is what is called justifiable, BUT WAIT
was the boyfriend chasing her, was he behind her. If not and how far was she from home, Did she have time to pull over and place the child into the seat safetly?????????????
Now that was funny Kilr. LOL :wink:
HDD :cool:

[SHOTKALLIN]

Her neglegent parenting should be investigated. Was she a meth freak who didn't give a shit about the safety of her kid or was it a isolated incident? I say charge her and give her a suspended sentence if she is a deadbeat. This should become permanent record if it or some other form of neglect happens again.
my .02

[My Man's Sportin' Wood]

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I'm sure glad I don't live in San Diego county so I won't have to sit on that jury.

[Craig]

This always stirs controversy. A few years back a Phoenix women who was a coke addict had a baby that was also born an addict and died shortly after birth due to complications they attributed to the mothers drug habit. Everyone was up in arms about charging her with a crime because her coke use resulted in the death of her baby. Ironically enough, that same week, another mother had a car accident, her very young child was not in a required baby seat and unfortunately died. Nobody was up in arms here wanting to charge her. I've always had issues with the double standard. Both knowingly made chhoices that resulted in the death af a child. Yet one was a drug addict and one was a poor distraught mother. Hypocrites, they both should do the time. Just my opinion.

[Kilrtoy]

This always stirs controversy. A few years back a Phoenix women who was a coke addict had a baby that was also born an addict and died shortly after birth due to complications they attributed to the mothers drug habit. Everyone was up in arms about charging her with a crime because her coke use resulted in the death of her baby. Ironically enough, that same week, another mother had a car accident, her very young child was not in a required baby seat and unfortunately died. Nobody was up in arms here wanting to charge her. I've always had issues with the double standard. Both knowingly made chhoices that resulted in the death af a child. Yet one was a drug addict and one was a poor distraught mother. Hypocrites, they both should do the time. Just my opinion.
See know one thinks that it is bad to not have your kid in a child restraint seat, SINCE WE GREW UP JUMPING ALL OVER THE CAR.....
I bet alot of people on here dont even wear seat belts properly.....

[ROZ]

Here's another view.. Lets say she pleeds guilty and death of her child is considered time served and she does 5yrs of probation and community service. One day she gets behind the wheel, doesn't buckkle up her other kid, and proceeds to kill the second child, or a child in her car that isn't hers... I feel sympathy for the woman, but her blatant negligence killed her child. Comon, freeway and a child not in a correct carseat? Shit, my 5year old finally weighs enough to use her Britax boosterlike carseat!

[AirtimeLavey]

Soooo....we don't really have enough facts of the sitch to make a call. Yea we should consider the mother's feelings, but not minimize the fact that the child is gone. The child is gone perhaps because of the mother's decisions. That's the crime, unfortunate as it is.

[Boy Named Sue]

I was just driving a friend tonight with her 6 week old baby (in a carseat) and her three year old boy (in a carseat). We were going down Hwy 99 near Modesto and the three year old keeps unbuckling himself so he can (as Kilrtoy puts it) jump all over the car. If I wreck and he dies you want to throw my ass in jail? I want the kids to be safe and everyone buckles up but why are people so ready to put people in jail after accidents? Who's going to raise the other kid when the mom is in jail? The high holy socialist state of California? It should be enough of a lesson to all other mothers that if they don't use car seats their kids might die. Maybe we should jail every woman who has deliberately killed their children with abortions. Should car seats then be a choice? I'm pissed.

[mbrown2]

Used to be able to ride in the back of trucks, also used to be able to buy 3 wheel quads, and used to be able to ride in the back of my moms station wagon where there were only jumpseats.....I made it to adult hood and so did alot of you..... :idea:
Next thing I will hear you guys defending prop guards....I will be logging off for good at that point... ;)
I am all for child safety, but maybe losing her kid might be better punishment then putting her away for long time....I don't think Prison makes good people better, but it might (MIGHT) make bad people tolerable or at least away from the public...I don't know her record, but I would like to see that before making a Monday morning decision on her. :confused:

[ROZ]

I was just driving a friend tonight with her 6 week old baby (in a carseat) and her three year old boy (in a carseat). We were going down Hwy 99 near Modesto and the three year old keeps unbuckling himself so he can (as Kilrtoy puts it) jump all over the car. This appears to be a different scenario, but we won't know the facts unles they're made public...
My daughtr did the same thing as your son. I played the game for about an hour. Each time she unbuckled herself, I'd pullover and buckleher back in. She did it and I was a my whits end. I told her if she did it again, I'd throw a toy out the window. Well she did it again and I stood my ground. I pulled over took her barbie doll out of the car, placed it on the shoulder, buckled her up, and then drove off. Never happened again....We do something similar with small toy parts on the floor in her playroom. We warn her then vaccum them up if she can't pick them up and keep them orderly...
Maybe we should jail every woman who has deliberately killed their children with abortions. Should car seats then be a choice? I'm pissed. Abortions are legal.... Kid not in a carseat = neglect.... Can't say I'm perfect though. I have let my daughter have a "special ride" (no carseat) a few times on the way home from Nana and Papa's house, but it's only 5 houses away :D

[ROZ]

Used to be able to ride in the back of trucks, also used to be able to buy 3 wheel quads, and used to be able to ride in the back of my moms station wagon where there were only jumpseats.....I made it to adult hood and so did alot of you..... :idea:
I do remember those days.... There cars were bigger,the population was significantly lower, and the carseats back then looked like half a plastic bucket with a small amount of padding..lol....

[mbrown2]

I do remember those days.... There cars were bigger,the population was significantly lower...
I kind of liked things less populated.... ;)

[RiverToysJas]

When I was a lad seatbelts were kept safely tucked away under the seat. There was no such thing as a "child safety seat", we kids rode in the back of the pick-up or on someone's lap, if that's the only spot that was open. Accidents were just that, accidents. If this had happened 30 years ago, there would have been an out-pouring of support for the poor mother who lost her son. My how things change.
IMO...my kid, my car, my lose, and my conscience if there's a problem. The government's nose is too far into my life already with their ideas about what's best for me and my family.
Poor lady. :frown:
BTW - I own and ride two 3-wheeled ATC's!!! :eek: Bought them last month! :D
RTJas

[Boy Named Sue]

This appears to be a different scenario, but we won't know the facts unles they're made public...
My daughtr did the same thing as your son. I played the game for about an hour. Each time she unbuckled herself, I'd pullover and buckleher back in. She did it and I was a my whits end. I told her if she did it again, I'd throw a toy out the window. Well she did it again and I stood my ground. I pulled over took her barbie doll out of the car, placed it on the shoulder, buckled her up, and then drove off. Never happened again....We do something similar with small toy parts on the floor in her playroom. We warn her then vaccum them up if she can't pick them up and keep them orderly...
Abortions are legal.... Kid not in a carseat = neglect.... Can't say I'm perfect though. I have let my daughter have a "special ride" (no carseat) a few times on the way home from Nana and Papa's house, but it's only 5 houses away :D
Roz Its good to hear from you. And I agree with you. I got a little hot and my logic isn't perfect. I'm not against carseats, they're fantastic at restraining kids for so many reasons. I think California has gone way overboard though. At the rate they keep upping the ante 4 and 40, 5 and 50, 6 and 60? Soon we'll have to sit in the sons of bitches. The three year old has just been diagnosed autistic and I really can't negotiate with the little guy. It just pissed me off how readily people want to throw her in jail. By the way, a friend was driving, we left my house and center-punched a car backing out of their driveway about eight houses down. "Special ride" turns tragic, no good father faces jail term. In every accident someone can be found negligent these days, lets sue em or throw em in jail seems to be the answer to often. I should shut up now.

[Boy Named Sue]

When I was a lad seatbelts were kept safely tucked away under the sea. There was no such thing as a "child safety seat", we kids rode in the back of the pick-up or on someone's lap, if that's the only spot that was open. Accidents were just that, accidents. If this had happened 30 years ago, there would have been an out-pouring of support for the poor mother who lost her son. My how things change.
IMO...my kid, my car, my lose, and my conscience if there's a problem. The government's nose is too far into my life already with their ideas about what's best for me and my family.
Poor lady. :frown:
BTW - I own and ride two 3-wheeled ATC's!!! :eek: Bought them last month! :D
RTJas
Word!

[AirtimeLavey]

The child is gone. The child relied on the mother to make the right decisions for her own survival. The mother, ALLEGEDLY, did not (make the right decisions). While the mother feels tremendous sorrow, the child doesn't get the chance to feel anything anymore. It's like MrsBordjms thread...when you're a parent, you have to go beyond, to protect your kids, or they will pay the price. Should she face the deth penalty or life in prison,...no. Should she face some sort of justice (if proven guilty), beyond her conscience,...yes. She was ALLEGEDLY negligent.
Btw, I'm no anti-abortion fanatic. Just think people need to be accountable for their actions. Also, believe in tort reform.
Ok, now my brain hurts and I'm back to all seriousness aside.

[73kona455]

the woman should be accountable for what she did.. children are a special gifts given to us to take care of.. which she didnt do and it resulted in the childs death.. i have been a single parent for 12 yrs now(ex left when he was 8 months old).. he rode in a car seat till he was over 6 yrs old, (he was small for his age).. my only car at that time was my corvette and as deep as you sit in it he couldnt see out so it served 2 purposes.. it kept him safe and it also allowed him to see out with out him unbuckling every few minutes to look outside..
She needs to be punished for killing her child.. if she had taken just a minute or two to put in her childs car seat the child might still be alive..
Hopefully someone else with get the message and make sure their child is proply seated and save a childs life

[RiverToysJas]

I've been thinking about what you two just said, and I don't think children should be allowed to ride in automobiles at all. If we really want to do everything we can to keep our children safe, we should put football hemets on them, and lock them in the closet...in the center of the house....with nothing but a lot of pillows. Not let them out until they're 18. That way nothing bad can ever happen to them on our watch, and they won't be exposed to anything harmful. It's the best thing for them, and as responsible parents it's our responsibilty, nay our DUTY, to do the best for our kids and keep them safe at all costs. Or else our peers and neighbors are apt to fine and or imprison us, as they should!!!
I think I'll let my kids have one last dinner with me and mom tomorrow, before they head to the closet. First I better get out the blender, so they don't choke on any food I made, I don't want to go to prison.....
RTJas

[AirtimeLavey]

I've been thinking about what you two just said, and I don't think children should be allowed to ride in automobiles at all. If we really want to do everything we can to keep our children safe, we should put football hemets on them, and lock them in the closet...in the center of the house....with nothing but a lot of pillows. Not let them out until they're 18. That way nothing bad can ever happen to them on our watch, and they won't be exposed to anything harmful. It's the best thing for them, and as responsible parents it's our responsibilty, nay our DUTY, to do the best for our kids and keep them safe at all costs. Or else our peers and neighbors are apt to fine and or imprison us, as they should!!!
I think I'll let my kids have one last dinner with me and mom tomorrow, before they head to the closet. First I better get out the blender, so they don't choke on any food I made, I don't want to go to prison.....
RTJas
Hmmm. :idea: No offense but, I think you missed my point, and your suggestion would be child abuse for sure. I take my kids snowboarding, tubing, quading, horseback riding, boating, waterskiing (got my 8 yr old daughter up on skis this summer), flying, and the list goes on...but, they wear helmets, gear and lifevests that fit, and seat belts, etc. You're going off on an extreme. I'm talking common sense. As a parent, I'm accountable. I'll take the extra minute or two to make sure they are sensibly (and definitely legally) prepared or they don't go.
Please, go get your kids out of the closet. :D Enjoy life. Just cherish it. IMHO :D

[TheLurker]

My opinion, the woman will live the rest of her life with the knowledge and guilt of what happened. Putting her on trial will do nothing to teach her to protect her other child better. She has already learned that lesson the hardest way one can. It also will not help the surviving sibling.
I happen to agree with these statements and opinions…
Used to be able to ride in the back of trucks, also used to be able to buy 3 wheel quads, and used to be able to ride in the back of my moms station wagon where there were only jumpseats.....I made it to adult hood and so did alot of you..... :idea:
Next thing I will hear you guys defending prop guards....I will be logging off for good at that point... ;)
I am all for child safety, but maybe losing her kid might be better punishment then putting her away for long time....I don't think Prison makes good people better, but it might (MIGHT) make bad people tolerable or at least away from the public...I don't know her record, but I would like to see that before making a Monday morning decision on her. :confused:
When I was a lad seatbelts were kept safely tucked away under the seat. There was no such thing as a "child safety seat", we kids rode in the back of the pick-up or on someone's lap, if that's the only spot that was open. Accidents were just that, accidents. If this had happened 30 years ago, there would have been an out-pouring of support for the poor mother who lost her son. My how things change.
IMO...my kid, my car, my lose, and my conscience if there's a problem. The government's nose is too far into my life already with their ideas about what's best for me and my family.
Poor lady. :frown:
BTW - I own and ride two 3-wheeled ATC's!!! :eek: Bought them last month! :D
RTJas

[AirtimeLavey]

Ok, my last comment on this, (as if anybody gives a sh..). A drunk driver kills someone in an accident. Drunk feels REALLY bad and has to live w/it for the rest of their life. So, they shouldn't get prosecuted? I'm not equating drunks w/mother's that make poor decisions. Just saying that the victims need to be considered above the others. It is what it is. Bad decisions that cost lives. You make a bad decision, when you should know better, you gotta be held accountable. Unfortunately, it's a lose - lose deal.

[73kona455]

whats the use of having a child saftey seat law if it not enforced?..does the mother need life in prison or the death penalty?.. no.. but she does need some punishment.. The laws are to protect the children because some people do not have the common sense it takes to protect their children on their own

[Boy Named Sue]

Good points are being raised.
Does the safety seat law say, "If operator of motor vehicle has unrestrained child of x lbs and x years then he/she shall pay a fine of $x." Or does it say the same thing with the clause, "and if during a violation of this statute said child is injured or killed then operator must be jailed for a min. of x years but no more than x years." If your friend refuses to wear a seat belt or takes it off while your driving and you have an accident should you go to jail? We are talking about people going to jail for negligence. I guess its too hard to define that term for us laypersons.

[HOSS]

al cole`holic,, that bike in your signature is one cool looking mutha phuca.
Now thats a chopper. Tough looking, no playin` around, a true man`s bike. Not gay and overdone. One like I need. If I had cash.

[Waist Deep]

What it boils down to is some people are just friggin stupid. Look at the people who leave their kids in a sweltering car all day to die just to go in and buy some meth. or the professor at UCI who just forgot his kid was in the car and got let off scott free. Nobody gets punished, so the kids will keep dying. I'm far from the one who should be throwing stones as I live in a glass house as well. Just last Feb. I put my daughter on a 50 at the river and she rode smack into a 5th wheel. Broke both bones in her leg and got lifted to Loma Linda. Fortunately she is fine and healed. Kids are precious and as I learned, all it takes is one slip up and they could be gone. Should I have been charged with neglect if something worse had happened, damn right. Probably should have been charged the way it was.Some of us are lucky to get the warning from a higher authority instead of seeing our kid in a casket.

[JetBoatRich]

al cole`holic,, that bike in your signature is one cool looking mutha phuca.
Now thats a chopper. Tough looking, no playin` around, a true man`s bike. Not gay and overdone. One like I need. If I had cash.
:confused: :confused:

[Mandelon]

I was just driving a friend tonight with her 6 week old baby (in a carseat) and her three year old boy (in a carseat). We were going down Hwy 99 near Modesto and the three year old keeps unbuckling himself so he can (as Kilrtoy puts it) jump all over the car. If I wreck and he dies you want to throw my ass in jail? I want the kids to be safe and everyone buckles up but why are people so ready to put people in jail after accidents? Who's going to raise the other kid when the mom is in jail? The high holy socialist state of California? It should be enough of a lesson to all other mothers that if they don't use car seats their kids might die. Maybe we should jail every woman who has deliberately killed their children with abortions. Should car seats then be a choice? I'm pissed.
Two words: Duct Tape :crossx:
And Roz, next time just put Barbi in the trunk, You didn't have to litter.... :wink:

[THOR]

There are weight and age requirements for children determining when they should be in a child seat. In addition, there are like requirements for when children can ride in the front seats.
I have come to many conclusions about the majority of people. They are either stupid or ignorant or both. Ignorance is not excusable. People generally act ignorant because they are lazy and wont take the time to do the right thing. Being an upstanding citizen and parent takes time, patience and EFFORT. People just dont want to put forth the effort, now there is a dead child for no excusable reason.

[Havasu_Dreamin]

She'll prolly be charged, plead and not do time.
That's what I would think as well. She'll get probation for many years and get slapped with community service as well. Is that enough? I don't know, I'm not a judge.
The point that I think some are missing is that the child not being in a car seat is against the law. Had she been pulled over, she would have been issued a citation. As a result of an accident, her child is now deceased. We will never know if the child would/could have survived had they been in a legally required child seat. All we know is the child is dead due to negligence on the part of the mother.
Now, I'm not a fan of the government in my life as well, thank you very much, but the government has to set laws and the laws that are set require a child to be in a safety seat, if you break the law, you accept the consequences of your actions.
Also, none of this was/is Monday Morning QBing in my opinion. The question was asked, do we feel the mother should be charged? Since that in and of itself is an opinion based question, we ahve provided our opinions on it. Obviously, none of us are even in a position to even make that decision. But we can certainly voice our opinions on the idea.

[Screaming Pete]

I don't know if the lady was from Escondido or not but I see this all the time in this place. I live thier, I have actualy given a carseat to a family at a stop light before because they were holding a baby on thier lap. drives me crazy. I'm not stereo typing but the hispanac population seem to be the worst at keeping thier children in seats.........and now a child is dead

[RiverToysJas]

Good points are being raised.
Does the safety seat law say, "If operator of motor vehicle has unrestrained child of x lbs and x years then he/she shall pay a fine of $x." Or does it say the same thing with the clause, "and if during a violation of this statute said child is injured or killed then operator must be jailed for a min. of x years but no more than x years." If your friend refuses to wear a seat belt or takes it off while your driving and you have an accident should you go to jail? We are talking about people going to jail for negligence. I guess its too hard to define that term for us laypersons.
Well I can't argue that, she did break the law. It would be hypocritical and against my beliefs to say she shouldn't be punished for breaking the law.
I guess it's "the law" I have issues with. Just like I have issue with all laws where the government attempts to "protect" me from myself. Sometimes the price of freedom means we hurt ourselves. But IMO, that's a price worth paying.
RTJas

[ratso]

I was just driving a friend tonight with her 6 week old baby (in a carseat) and her three year old boy (in a carseat). We were going down Hwy 99 near Modesto and the three year old keeps unbuckling himself so he can (as Kilrtoy puts it) jump all over the car. If I wreck and he dies you want to throw my ass in jail? I want the kids to be safe and everyone buckles up but why are people so ready to put people in jail after accidents? Who's going to raise the other kid when the mom is in jail? The high holy socialist state of California? It should be enough of a lesson to all other mothers that if they don't use car seats their kids might die. Maybe we should jail every woman who has deliberately killed their children with abortions. Should car seats then be a choice? I'm pissed.
Sounds to me like the 3 year old NEEDS HIS ASS BUSTED...

[ROZ]

First I better get out the blender, so they don't choke on any food I made, I don't want to go to prison..... RTJas
That takes too much time. Just chew the food yourself, spit it into a bowl, and let them go to town. A lot less cleanup :D

[ROZ]

Sounds to me like the 3 year old NEEDS HIS ASS BUSTED...
His next post read:
The three year old has just been diagnosed autistic and I really can't negotiate with the little guy.
My sister use to work with autistic kids and adults, and I've helped her on a couple occasions. While the kids are very sweet, they can be a handful at times. I wish you well BNS :)

[RiverToysJas]

At least you can still ride the train w/o a seatbelt....
http://vorlon.cwru.edu/~kalele/mirrored_album/funny/aah.jpg
RTJas :D

[ROZ]

I don't know if I'd let anoyone on the cattle grate though :D

[RiverToysJas]

Just so we're clear, this is a no-no right?
http://npfcc.org/impact/images/kidonhood.jpg
RTJas :D

[AirtimeLavey]

Just so we're clear, this is a no-no right?
http://npfcc.org/impact/images/kidonhood.jpg
RTJas :D
It's ok, as long has he has the right gear on... :D

[al cole'holic]

al cole`holic,, that bike in your signature is one cool looking mutha phuca.
Now thats a chopper. Tough looking, no playin` around, a true man`s bike. Not gay and overdone. One like I need. If I had cash.
..thank you HOSS, selling her for cost buddy :D

[mbrown2]

Do school buses have seat belts? I remember mine did not???

[SHAKEN Not Stirred]

Well....
How many of you let your kid's lay down in the back seats on those late evening runs to the river...... :notam:
I do....and I think I'm a great parent...... :rolleyes:
This thread has got me thinkin'...... :idea:
Hummmmm ........ :frown:
Maybe I'm not that great......Maybe I'm an ASS !!! :rolleyes:
CJG
:cool:

[73kona455]

At least you can still ride the train w/o a seatbelt....
http://vorlon.cwru.edu/~kalele/mirrored_album/funny/aah.jpg
RTJas :D
i think u have to have a seat before u can have a seat belt...lol

[Ziggy]

I've let my daughter lay down in the back seat on those long rides but she still is required by me and mom to keep her belt on. She complains but we stay firm.
.
Now this lady who crashed, I read was from Imperial, her husband from Buena Park was in the car(RF seat) and the kids in the back seat. At 4:50am I'd only imagine she fell asleep at the wheel. No matter how you look at it it's tragic. Very tragic.

[Kilrtoy]

Just saying that the victims need to be considered above the others. It is what it is. Bad decisions that cost lives. You make a bad decision, when you should know better, you gotta be held accountable. Unfortunately, it's a lose - lose deal.
Screw the victims and their rights, the only people that should be allowed to have rights and continue to violate ours, are SUSPECTS

[TheLurker]

Well....
How many of you let your kid's lay down in the back seats on those late evening runs to the river...... :notam:
I do....and I think I'm a great parent...... :rolleyes:
This thread has got me thinkin'...... :idea:
Hummmmm ........ :frown:
Maybe I'm not that great......Maybe I'm an ASS !!! :rolleyes:
CJG
:cool:
How many people keep their kids or themselved in a seat belt in the motorhome during the whole drive?
In ours the wife and kids get up to use the bathroom(Probably only because it is there) or get something to eat.

[rrrr]

Here's a different way to think about it.
If the child was in the care of a daycare center, and the accident killed the child, then there would be a lineup of people calling for prosecution of the daycare worker.
Just because the responsible party happens to be the kid's parent doesn't change things IMO.
The child's right to life was compromised by an ADULT; someone who knows the law and has common sense. Doesn't matter that the person is the child's parent, again IMO.
The mother is guilty of a crime.

[rrrr]

Sounds to me like the 3 year old NEEDS HIS ASS BUSTED...
If the parents had done their job, the kid would sit in the car seat with no problem. My kid was bolted in when we left the hospital after he was born, and he has never ridden in a car without a belt his entire life.
I'm not bragging, there are some things a parent must do. If you don't instill the seatbelt thing in the kid's head, prepare for the tragic outcome.

[Boy Named Sue]

If the parents had done their job, the kid would sit in the car seat with no problem. My kid was bolted in when we left the hospital after he was born, and he has never ridden in a car without a belt his entire life.
I'm not bragging, there are some things a parent must do. If you don't instill the seatbelt thing in the kid's head, prepare for the tragic outcome.
This thread was about if the mother should go to jail or not. If you read my post carefully you will find I was giving a friend a ride and they were her kids. But the boy was getting out of his car seat. I didn't know he would do that, and my point was if I crashed at that point should I go to jail? I say no. Yes I am responsible for my passengers safety but I say if their own actions put themselves in danger its not my fault. I guess I need to change my stance a little and say yes, charge her, but let a jury or judge decide if she is negligent (not judge riodog :p ). If you've never tried to watch an autistic child then your opinion on how to control one is totally worthless.IMO.

[PHOTOGLOU]

Sorry to jack the thread, but damn Jay (Photoglou) but who dat in your avitar. Oh yeah, not only should she be prosecuted she should be held to a higher standard, because that is her child and we all need to do everything we can to protect them.
But really. who is that? Shes smoking hot........ Does she sell cars? :cool:
Jason
Erin New girl she grew up in your neck of the woods

[WUTWZAT]

WOW, very cute...... NO, no I will go so far as saying HOT......
Is she single? Does she like jet boats..... Sorry but I drive a Ford, will she come down and reform me? :cool: Its worth a shot.
Jason

[Kilrtoy]

That is JAY'S better half. She is an awesome person and yes SHE IS HOT