Boat crash

[last dance II]

A 34' Advantage Top Cat crashed tonight up stream from the Blue Water Casino in Park AZ.,,, still one passenger missing...... lets slow it down people!!!

[HOOTER SLED-]

You mean Conquest Top Cat???

[HOOTER SLED-]

And that's your first post??? WTF? How do you know they were speeding??? Get the facts first. Oh, and welcome. Post a pic of a chick.

[Eliminator 4 Life]

is it a advantage 34 or a conquest my buddy is up there right now with his new 34 party cat and not answering the phone
AWW CHIT PHOTO let us know as soon as you get ahold of him

[Havasu_Dreamin]

Conquest does not make a a 34. Also, isn't a 34 Advantage Party Cat a little big for Parker? Regardless, hope everything turns out ok.

[HOOTER SLED-]

is it a advantage 34 or a conquest my buddy is up there right now with his new 34 party cat and not answering the phone
Ouch. Hope it's not him brutha.

[BarryMac]

is it a advantage 34 or a conquest my buddy is up there right now with his new 34 party cat and not answering the phone
Hope it's not your friend Photoglou, keep us informed...

[last dance II]

yes it was an Advantage,,,, :rollside:

[Eliminator 4 Life]

He has a big family and leaves his 34 Advantage up at there house there 3 kids plus the parents all married kids each have 2 kids so when whole family is out there its about 14 people plus friends
PHOTO keep us informed thanks

[MAINEVENT]

not good his river phone is busy plus the next door neighbors phone is busy BOATCOP
Hope its not your bro man keep us updated....

[Sleek-Jet]

is it a advantage 34 or a conquest my buddy is up there right now with his new 34 party cat and not answering the phone
Photo, hope it's not your Buddy.

[SBullet]

I hope it's not your friend!! Sorry to hear another Boat Accident period.... Man it's getting bad outhere. Photo please keep us posted :confused:

[Kilrtoy]

just call the parker pd and ask them

[upsman105]

oh dude i'm sorry, thats terrible.

[Mandelon]

:eek: :( :( Bummer, any more details?

[SBullet]

Sorry to hear that bro!!! :(

[WILD LAVEY]

jay, i hope they are ok.

[ECeptor]

sHIT IT WAS THEM
Damn....sorry man....

[Newcastle]

That sux J...hope everybody's okay

[Badger301]

sHIT IT WAS THEM
I hope they're ok.

[SBullet]

Prayers out to the family and I hope all passegers are accounted for!!! :(

[Phat Daddy]

Sorry to hear that.

[spectratoad]

I hope the one missing is sitting on a beach just waiting for a ride. My prayers go out to all. Hope they are ok.

[HOOTER SLED-]

WOW, I sure everything turns out alright PHOTO. :frown:

[Kilrtoy]

Keep us informed jay, sorry to hear this

[locogringo]

Not good. I'll (we'll) keep our fingers crossed and our hopes up.
:frown: :frown:

[OutCole'd]

I hope everyone is fine. Got my fingers crossed.

[WUTWZAT]

Sorry to hear of another accident, please keep us informed as to what is going on. Sorry Photo that it is your friend, praying that all come out ok.
Jason

[jbtrailerjim]

Very sorry to hear about your friends Jay. I hope everyone is ok. I'll keep them in my thoughts. :frown:

[Havasu47]

Don't know what to say other than I hope for the best

[BarryMac]

Sorry to hear the news Jay, I hope everything turns out okay...

[Mrs. casean]

Sorry to hear about your friends Jay... I hope for the best outcome!

[Scream]

Our thoughts are prayers are with you Jay and your friends. We hope all is ok and the Missing report is an error.

[cc322]

Very sad hope all will be ok

[C-2]

Like others have said, keeping fingers crossed and hoping for the best. :( :( :(

[SoCal_fun]

this sucks, I'm sorry this happenend.

[thom]

Im sorry..I will pray for the best

[PHOTOGLOU]

Who is this LAST DANCE II signs up today and to post about a boat accident???? what a name to sign up under to post that

[Sleek-Jet]

He posts under "Last Dance" over on RRL, but not very much.
LD posted the same message over there as well. :mad:

[cc322]

Yeah was thinking the same thing never seen him before around here

[HOOTER SLED-]

Who is this LAST DANCE II signs up today and to post about a boat accident???? what a name to sign up under to post that
Yea kinda weird to start up with that. And then to find out info. Kinda a fluke thing.

[JetBoatRich]

Lets hope all turns out ok :mad: real sad to read

[SandbarScot]

Whoever Last Dance II is, he is not someone who posts on these boards, and will probably not in the future, but for some reason wanted to get the word out about this boat crash. I would guess he is a Parker local, perhaps involved with EMS.
If anyone has any further info on this, please post. A lot of ***boaters are a little on edge at the moment.
---Hoping for an ending where all went home safe---
-Scot

[SandbarScot]

What the hell is that M with a circle? Do I work for Mervyn's now?
I gotta get on these boards more often.

[PHOTOGLOU]

The family is very good friends of mine I do not have a lot of information But I do know one person was still missing as of 9:15 tonight as per the family. I also heard the person missing was hit by the prop of the boat (didn.t hear this from a family member) Boat is totalled. ALCOHOL IS NOT INVOLVED the accident happend about 4:30 today

[Kilrtoy]

In a time like this lets all reflect and be thankful for what we have, when your clock is punched, its punched. There are no words to describe what feelings the families are feeling right now

[Waldo]

Is anyone at liberty to gives names? We have friends that have a 34 Advantage and a rather large house in Miraleste Estates. They have had their boat for 5/6 months though.
Sorry to hear about this...prayers have already been said!

[SHAKEN Not Stirred]

Just got off the phone with Jay......
Boat was the Christian's....Not to be confused with Debbie Christensen of Advantage Boats.....
I guess they own the big house on the river......
Still one guy missing.......younger kid....babysitter maybe.....
May of hit a sandbar & threw them out.......
Somewhere near the dam...on the river....
That's all for now......
Guess we'll find out more tomorrow....
CJG
:frown:

[HOOTER SLED-]

So sad. Water kinda low and sketchy this time of season still I guess. Sorry to hear the news.

[switchin'addiction]

Very sad...

[shadow]

Is anyone at liberty to gives names? We have friends that have a 34 Advantage and a rather large house in Miraleste Estates. They have had their boat for 5/6 months though.
Sorry to hear about this...prayers have already been said!
Waldo i know the guys you are talking about and it sounds to me like one in the same. :frown:
Very sad to hear this.Prayers go to the Families. :frown: :frown:

[ColeTR1]

Very Sad!! :frown: I was out working on my house when they went by. The only boat I saw the river all day. :squiggle:

[HavasuDreamin']

My condolences to all involved. Very sad. :(

[Mrs.Racer277]

Jay, I am so sorry to hear about your friends. They will be in our prayers.
Dia

[Tequila-John]

This is crazy news. Parker Dreamin and I saw this boat a couple months ago being pulled into the shores. Bitchin boat sorry to hear the news.......
Correct me if I am wrong but this is the boat
Boat (http://www.***boat.com/forums/showthread.php?t=59571&page=5&pp=25)http://www.***boat.com/forums/showthread.php?t=59571&page=5&pp=25) picture #112

[Garrddogg]

Sorry to hear the news, The family of all involved will be in my prayers.

[beer hunter]

My thoughts and prayers go out to the families and friends of those involved :(
Jay and Waldo, please keep us posted :)
Michael

[WetWillie]

That is Charleys old boat! Not the right one!
Sorry to hear all of this and my thoughts go out for the family!!
This is crazy news. Parker Dreamin and I saw this boat a couple months ago being pulled into the shores. Bitchin boat sorry to hear the news.......
Correct me if I am wrong but this is the boat
Boat (http://www.***boat.com/forums/showthread.php?t=59571&page=5&pp=25)http://www.***boat.com/forums/showthread.php?t=59571&page=5&pp=25) picture #112

[shueman]

Very Sad News...

[a catered life]

sorry to hear the bad news about your friends :( please alert us as you receive news. my prayers and blessings go out to them and you not only as a fellow boater but as a father and husband.

[Mandelon]

This is a 34' Partycat
http://www.advantageboats.com/image/34pc1.jpg
http://www.advantageboats.com/image/34pc3.jpg

[duffster]

Jay, I am very sorry and sad to hear the bad news buddy.

[Kachina26]

Wow Jay, I'm sorry to hear that it hit so close to home. :frown:

[PHOTOGLOU]

It was the magazine boat with 496 ho's not the one with built motors

[WUTWZAT]

Any word on those involved? Has everyone been accounted for?
Always a sad thing to have an accident.
Its understandable what happened with the current water levels, so hard to predict where sandbars and others obstacles will appear at sunset or when the sun is low and the water gets darker. So sorry........
Jason

[Keith E. Sayre]

I'm going to post what I just found out about the crash although I'm going
to say that it's all hearsay but the source is extremely reliable. apparently
the boat was going downriver towards the casino when right by the buoy line to the "no wake zone" they tried to make a hard left. whether they tried to turn hard left due to a sandbar is unknown by my source. in either case, the boat rolled up on it's right sponson and threw everyone out of the boat, then it sat back down and started going in circles in front of the casino at a good rate of speed, it either hit someone in the water or came close enough that it caused them to go under and drown, but one person is apparently missing. the fire crew couldn't get in the water to try to help due to the boat still running around in circles. they tried the rope methods etc to stop it but it didn't work, the boat finally crashed onto the big rocks in front of the casino by that little resaurant and amphitheater. this enabled the fire crew to get into the water to search for the lost person but apparently to no avail. I am posting this
info based on what we just heard from someone who was there, I hope that my explanation is fair to all involved. what a tradgedy.
Keith Sayre
Conquest Boats

[Mandelon]

:( :( :( :(

[Havasu Hangin']

Very sad. :(
Please wear your kill switches.

[rrrr]

Just saw this, my family offers our prayers.

[Boatcop]

I can't add anything to Keith's account of the accident except that there aren't any sandbars in the area of the No Wake Buoys. The water depth is pretty uniform there from 18-25 feet deep.
I was informed of the accident when it happened, and since it is in Tribal Jurisdiction, the CRIT Police will be investigating.
If I hear of any facts I'll let you all know.

[OutCole'd]

Very sad. :(
Please wear your kill switches.
So true. I never wore mine till that guy in the Magic Deck nearly lost his arm early last year. Now I wear it all the time.
:(

[RiverKitty]

I can't add anything to Keith's account of the accident except that there aren't any sandbars in the area of the No Wake Buoys. The water depth is pretty uniform there from 18-25 feet deep.
I was informed of the accident when it happened, and since it is in Tribal Jurisdiction, the CRIT Police will be investigating.
If I hear of any facts I'll let you all know.
Thanks BC... Let us know when you know.
What a tragedy. :( Another dark day in the boating community. :(
My sincere condolences to the families involved. :(

[Mrs. HOOTER SLED]

:( :( I am so sorry to hear all of this... My thoughts prayers and luck :clover: :clover: to everyone involved..
Jay, what a way to find out.... I'm sorry for any heartache you are feeling.

[Midlife Advantage]

Very sad. :(
Please wear your kill switches.
no doubt. I have had a kill switch on both of my previous boats, they came standard, but for some reason I managed to not get the option on this one. I am going to get one installed. my boat is not all that fast, about 65 tops, but anything can happen, and these two latest examples prove it. anyone know the best route other than takin it to advantage?
Jay, sorry to hear about all this, may God Bless and walk with you all through this.
Tim

[Mandelon]

Kill Switches and life vests.....I have em, but I don't use em......not on a calm day when no one is around.......rough water, maybe.....maybe we should all learn something. :(

[Tahiti350]

First post I read when I get up....not the way the weekend is supposed to start :frown: . Makes me stop and think about the way I do things. :confused:
Thoughts and Prayers to family, friends and those those involved in the search.

[mbrown2]

:frown: Really unfortunate news...hate to hear of accidents anywhere, let alone the strip and Havi....just terrible news, my prayers go out to the survivors and families of all involved.

[4-B]

Very sad news. My kill switch is going to be used from now on.

[Seriously?]

So sorry to hear about this. My thoughts and prayers are with all of the people involved. :(

[Havasu_Dreamin]

no doubt. I have had a kill switch on both of my previous boats, they came standard, but for some reason I managed to not get the option on this one. I am going to get one installed. my boat is not all that fast, about 65 tops, but anything can happen, and these two latest examples prove it. anyone know the best route other than takin it to advantage?
One of the shops might be able to add it. I think I am going to talk to Aaron at Absolute about adding the same to ours.

[phebus]

I can't add anything to Keith's account of the accident except that there aren't any sandbars in the area of the No Wake Buoys. The water depth is pretty uniform there from 18-25 feet deep.
I was informed of the accident when it happened, and since it is in Tribal Jurisdiction, the CRIT Police will be investigating.
If I hear of any facts I'll let you all know.
Very sad indeed, my prayers go out to those involved and their families.
Alan, do the CRIT Police have the adequate resources and training to do a thorough and adequate investigation, or do they sometimes use an outside resource (such as your offices) to help them?

[Mrs.HLB]

Sad news. Our prayers go out to everyone involved. :frown:

[djunkie]

This is very sad news. I am pretty sure I have seen the boat they are talking about. The families will be in ours prayers. I just have one recomendation which I know happens a lot on this forum. A lot of people tend to make assumptions about accidents like these before they find out all the facts. I'm not pointing fingers at any one but please don't blame alcohol or speed of the boat until you know all the facts.

[SHAKEN Not Stirred]

Well....
I just got a call.....
To add to Keith's post.....It appears that they turned at speed and hooked a sponson......
Yep.....One still missing......
Very Very Sad !!!!
CJG
:frown:

[Havasu Hangin']

Kill Switches and life vests.....I have em, but I don't use em......not on a calm day when no one is around.......rough water, maybe.....maybe we should all learn something. :(
It really doesn't take much speed or rough water to hook a boat- been there...done that. Let's all be safe this year.

[Jordy]

:( :( :(

[Parker Dreamin]

Very sorry to hear the bad news.. My families thoughts and prayers are with everybody involved......

[Debbolas]

:(
Jay I am so sorry about your friends.................our prayers go out to them, and you.

[Waldo]

After speaking with my father-in-law...who spoke with an immediate family member...
The missing person from this accident was recovered this morning. Unfortunately he was not alive. It was not any of the immediate family members but a very close friend. A couple people were taken to the hospital, including the young boy mentioned earlier..He has been released.
My wife's family has been friends with the Christians for over 35 years. This was very difficult to read last night as they are the only ones in Parker that have the new 34' Advantage (to my knowledge). I found myself hoping that someone else purchased one since then (sick sounding but I'm sorry) but I also new they (Christians) were going to the river this weekend.
We have said many prayers and ask that you all continue to do so!

[framer1]

Don't mind spending 100,000 plus on a boat but i'm to cheap to buy 6 lifeline vest. That what i'm buying at the boat show next saturday. I guess i'll buy a variety of sizes.

[Tequila-John]

After speaking with my father-in-law...who spoke with an immediate family member...
The missing person from this accident was recovered this morning. Unfortunately he was not alive. It was not any of the immediate family members but a very close friend. A couple people were taken to the hospital, including the young boy mentioned earlier..He has been released.
My wife's family has been friends with the Christians for over 35 years. This was very difficult to read last night as they are the only ones in Parker that have the new 34' Advantage (to my knowledge). I found myself hoping that someone else purchased one since then (sick sounding but I'm sorry) but I also new they (Christians) were going to the river this weekend.
We have said many prayers and ask that you all continue to do so!
Waldo do they have a place in the shores??

[Nubbs]

My prayers and thoughts go out to all involved too.

[Sleek-Jet]

Man this is bad news.... Thoughts and prayers to the family and all involved.
:frown: :frown: :frown: :frown:

[Mrs. HOOTER SLED]

Waldo.............
I am so sorry about your friends. I hope all is well for those who survived. :clover: I'm so sorry for all the emotions you must be going through and the familys. I wish everyone the best and you are all in our thoughts and prayers !!!

[switchin'addiction]

My sincere condolences to all involved in this terrible tragedy.

[LUVNLIFE]

Thoughts and prayers go out to those involved. I 'm going to start using the kill switch that is already in the Eagle now and JetDriver is wiring one in the Daytona for me.

[Boatcop]

Alan, do the CRIT Police have the adequate resources and training to do a thorough and adequate investigation, or do they sometimes use an outside resource (such as your offices) to help them?
I've trained some of their Officers in the basics of Boating Accident Investigation but no, they don't have the experience or expertise to do an adequate reconstruction.
From what's been said here, this really wouldn't need a whole lot of expertise. It's pretty much cut and dried from a Law Enforcement standpoint. No other boats involved, unknown (at this point) if alcohol was involved, etc.
The only reason for reconstruction here would be to see if there is a design flaw or mechanical failure that contributed to the crash, or whether it was operator error. That's something that would be done through a private accident reconstructionist and would take loading a similar boat as it was at the time and seeing if they could re-create the hook.
I look for that to happen along with the civil litigation that's bound to follow. Unfortunate, but people will almost always bring lawyers into this kind of thing, and they'll go after the deepest pockets. :angry2:

[BarryMac]

Very sad day... :frown: :frown: :frown:

[Waldo]

Waldo do they have a place in the shores??
Yes they do. It is the first house up river from the launch ramp (waterfront).

[RP1]

Don't mind spending 100,000 plus on a boat but to cheap to buy 6 lifeline vest. That what i'm buying at the boat show next saturday. I guess i'll buy a variety of sizes.
So are you saying that you will have adults wear Lifeline vest on your boat when you are traveling at low (20) to moderate (45) speeds? Kinda came across as a slam on the owner of the boat involved... hope not!

[RiverKitty]

So are you saying that you will have adults wear Lifeline vest on your boat when you are traveling at low (20) to moderate (45) speeds? Kinda came across as a slam on the owner of the boat involved... hope not!
I don't think anyone was slamming anyone....I think he just realized how important life vests are.

[slowinhavasuskid]

Very sad news sorry to hear about it. :frown:

[framer1]

So are you saying that you will have adults wear Lifeline vest on your boat when you are traveling at low (20) to moderate (45) speeds? Kinda came across as a slam on the owner of the boat involved... hope not!
No it wasn't a slam on anybody except maybe myself. No I don't wear a life jacket at any speed but maybe I should start thinking about the people who ride with me and my own safely. Basically hearing about this accident gave me a reallity check. I hate hearing about these tragedies.

[framer1]

I don't think anyone was slamming anyone....I think he just realized how important life vests are.
That's exactly what I meant.

[Kilrtoy]

lifeline Will Not Be At The Boat Show

[framer1]

lifeline Will Not Be At The Boat Show
Do you know why? They have always been there the years i've gone.

[Kilrtoy]

I talked to them and they said they are focusing on the east coast race circut

[Havasu Hangin']

I talked to them and they said they are focusing on the east coast race circut
We tried a group buy with Lifeline a couple years ago, and they said "no deal".
However, Security Race Products (http://www.securityrace.com/lifejacket.htm) stepped up and gave a group buy discount to everyone on OSO after the HTM crash.

[DansBlown73Nordic]

Very sorry to read this sad news....Accidents can happen so fast. I will be adding a tether switch to all my boats. :hammerhea

[RP1]

No it wasn't a slam on anybody except maybe myself. No I don't wear a life jacket at any speed but maybe I should start thinking about the people who ride with me and my own safely. Basically hearing about this accident gave me a reallity check. I hate hearing about these tragedies.
Sorry if that came across as a negative against you. I wasn't sure what your point was and wanted to clarify before it went sideways.
I do agree that we all spend a lot on our boats and neglect the safety aspect... my bad as well.

[sam pioske]

Dammmmmmmmmmmmmmm !! My boat used to be in circle racing so it can TURN at speed.
So out on the lake did a little turn down at 50 or so, it caught almost thew my sweet lady out, so close Sold the boat ! Dammmmmmm! For the people and friends a sad day ...

[TheLurker]

Sad news. My condolences to all :frown:

[nodigg]

I go off the boards for a few weeks and come back to hear this tragic news! What a tough thing for the victims to deal with. My prayers to all involved.

[PHOTOGLOU]

Well....
I just got a call.....
To add to Keith's post.....It appears that they turned at speed and hooked a sponson......
Yep.....One still missing......
Very Very Sad !!!!
CJG
:frown:
PLEASE WAIT to see what the investigation turns up. He is not even a social drinker HE DOES NOT DRINK he has had boats for the last 20 years that I have known him they have all been cats, tunnel hulls or deck boats

[Bense468]

Bad deal... sorry to hear about your friends jay and waldo.

[ECeptor]

damn...so a broken steering system will hook a boat violently. make me want to put some sort of damper on mine so if it did break the turn would be more gradual...
Tragic event for all those involved...our thoughts are with their families.

[Waldo]

damn...so a broken steering system will hook a boat violently. make me want to put some sort of damper on mine so if it did break the turn would be more gradual...
Tragic event for all those involved...our thoughts are with their families.
Remember that it has TWO HP motors....after talking with people involved I heard, and totally believe, that it was an accident. He was not doing a "hot lap", going WOT, etc. I'll update more as I hear it. The family, and I, thank everyone for all the thoughts and prayers!!!
Brannon

[PHOTOGLOU]

Remember that it has TWO HP motors....after talking with people involved I heard, and totally believe, that it was an accident. He was not doing a "hot lap", going WOT, etc. I'll update more as I hear it. The family, and I, thank everyone for all the thoughts and prayers!!!
Brannon
I concur, terrible accident, after again talking to a family member just a horrible accident, If you knew this family AND alot of you have seen them THEY ARE very caring and would go out of there way for you. Please think back we have all had a close call within a split second this could have been anyone of us.

[SHAKEN Not Stirred]

lifeline Will Not Be At The Boat Show
Todd Taylor and the Jokers Wild group should be at the show and they re-sell Lifeline jackets. I think they have all sizes in their trailer for you to try on.
I'm thinkin' the same..........I ALWAYS use my lanyard, but should consider having my wife and I wear jacket's.......I think it's time !!!!
CJG
:(

[fourspeednup]

Wow that's terrible, I'm thinking back to all the boat rides I've taken and all I've taken for granted.
To the family and friends of those lost, my deepest condolences :frown:

[Mrs. HOOTER SLED]

I hope Mr. HOOTS has a reality check from all of this...... He can not swim !!!! So if some thing does happen we are as$ed out :frown: It makes me nervous some times, not because of him but because of some of the other idots out there. I would'nt know how to react???? Knowing me I might panic........

[BarryMac]

I hope Mr. HOOTS has a reality check from all of this...... He can not swim !!!! So if some thing does happen we are as$ed out :frown: It makes me nervous some times, not because of him but because of some of the other idots out there. I would'nt know how to react???? Knowing me I might panic........
Couple of thoughts come to mind Mrs. HS, if he can't swim as dorky as it looks he should always wear a lifevest, he should look into some swim lessons even if he is embarassed, I would hate too lose my friend because he can't swim, sorry just my thought...

[Desert Rat]

Haven't meet Mr Hooter yet but hope to some day so get the swim lessons please. We get to many of these unfortunate (sp) threads each year

[purrfecttremor]

our prayer go out to the family.what a tragedy.

[ColeTR1]

This is so sad!! like I said earlier I saw the boats go bye. After that I heard what sounded like a boat going around in very tight circles the motor sounded like it was at about 3000 rpm, the boat did it for about ten minutes. I remember thinking what is that guy doing? The water was like glass last night. And the boat was not going fast I would have remembered that.
We all take it for grated that we are save in our boats. There are so many things that can go wrong real fast mechanical failure, Hidden debris under the water, is just a couple. Then put on top up of that Ice-cold water, no boats around to come help. What a nightmare. We need to all remember a simple trip down to the casino in our big safe boat is not safe! This has been a deadly week here in Parker two people got kill on 95 about one mile north of the casino Wednesday about 7pm. :frown:

[ECeptor]

I hope Mr. HOOTS has a reality check from all of this...... He can not swim !!!! So if some thing does happen we are as$ed out :frown: It makes me nervous some times, not because of him but because of some of the other idots out there. I would'nt know how to react???? Knowing me I might panic........
I've met an alarming number of people who spend significant time on the water who cannot swim or cannot swim well.

[Squirtin Thunder]

I hope Mr. HOOTS has a reality check from all of this...... He can not swim !!!! So if some thing does happen we are as$ed out :frown: It makes me nervous some times, not because of him but because of some of the other idots out there. I would'nt know how to react???? Knowing me I might panic........
Mrs. you need to learn as much as you can about your boat. Or any of you just things to check and what to do to correct a problem if it happens. It can be very scary not knowing what to do. And Mr Hooter Sled go take some lessons. There is nothing to be embarraced about. Now if something happend and you couldn't help that would be embaracing.
Jim

[Charley]

:frown: Very Very Sorry.... my sincere condolences :frown:

[CJ]

Always bad to hear. I wish the best for all involved.

[Midlife Advantage]

Sorry if that came across as a negative against you. I wasn't sure what your point was and wanted to clarify before it went sideways.
I do agree that we all spend a lot on our boats and neglect the safety aspect... my bad as well.
RESPECTFULLY said. I think that I will start doing a little safety meet before I start out with my friends, you know, where are the life vests, what should you do in an accident, what to expect, etc, any other ideas? I like the "overboard bag' that was brought up after the fire last year coming back from Catalina

[JustMVG]

To Photo and Waldo, my deepest condolences to you guys and to the families and friends involved, over the last year we have heard and seen some incredible things here, this accident while terrible can teach us so much, and now before the season takes hold and the attitude of it's not gonna happen to me sets in, lets take stock of what needs to be done, learn more about our boats, teach those that boat with us frequently where everything is, vests need to be checked and replaced, kids that have grown need new vests, everyone should be "waterproofed" meaning know how to swim or at least keep their head above water for awhile so they can be rescued if need be. The Coast Guard Aux. is there for our safety, yes it's a pain in the butt to g thru and be checked, but that time is nothing compared to getting ready for a funeral, the boats are getting bigger, faster and we love it, but we need to run within our limits, yes i have run WOT and had my fun, and not thought twice about doing so, i will now. I know there are some things i have forgotten to list and feel free to add to it so that novice and old timers alike can remember to do even the smallest of things so we can be safer this year and hope and pray that we do not have to read of more tragedy to happen to this little "family" we have here.
MikeVG

[Tahiti350]

The other, more important, side of life vests is that they will keep you afloat, face up, just incase you CAN"T do it yourself. Even the best swimmer among us would have problems swimming if severely injured or unconcious. I just read had a thread earlier this week, can't remember if it was here or on Banderlog, where the driver cut throttle to fast, boat skipped adn hard turned, and he ended up out of the boat, but not before hanging a leg on the dash and /or steering. Imagine trying to tread water with a broken/torn up leg, much less get back to the boat, which I believe had a kill switch. This individual had his chute vest on, and was around 80ish mph when he went out.
I wear a bright yellow full torso ski jacket every time I'm out. The boat doesn't go in gear until I'm suited up, and anyone who rides with me (especially kids!!!) wears a life jacket also. I will be also installing a breakaway switch before summer is here. They sell tham at most cycle shops, also (quads, sno-machines, etc). The bad thing with mine is I still use the hand throttle/shifter, so IF I went out, or was incapacitated the boat would keep going at the same speed until it hit something or ran out of fuel. 60+ into a beach, marina, or someone's back yard would be devastating!!!!
Sorry for the lenght, but this is my full $1 worth. I want to meet most of you someday, and would prefer it be at the party not the hospital or funeral home.

[TCHB]

I think that is a great idea to review all emergency equipment in the boat so everyone knows exactly where it is and how to use it. Our prayers our with the family!

[LUVNLIFE]

RESPECTFULLY said. I think that I will start doing a little safety meet before I start out with my friends, you know, where are the life vests, what should you do in an accident, what to expect, etc, any other ideas? I like the "overboard bag' that was brought up after the fire last year coming back from Catalina
I have done this. My friends that are regulars in my boat know where the extra life vests, first aid kit and the sharp knife are kept. They can all be gotten to without disrupting the driver and are always kept in the same place.Just hope they are never needed. :(

[don johnson]

Brannon,
I shared the news with our neighbor Shelly whom is also good friends of the Christians. She dated the youngest son in high school, Jeff I think is his name. She said that the father was driving the boat and suffered a mild heard attack, collapsed forward and hit the throttles which triggered trhe accident.

[MRS FLYIN VEE]

:frown: :frown: :frown:

[ECeptor]

She said that the father was driving the boat and suffered a mild heard attack, collapsed forward and hit the throttles which triggered trhe accident.
Just goes to show that some accidents are just that...almost un-preventable...

[switchin'addiction]

Tragic......... :( :(

[24ROD]

Very sad our prayers go out to all involved. :frown: :frown: :frown:

[ELVIS]

not that i don't belive in vest (my kid's always wear them) but if this was not a speed run you can hold it against them for not wearing vest. secondly if your in the water with a boat circling i don't think you would want one on.

[GHTRIM]

And that's your first post??? WTF? How do you know they were speeding??? Get the facts first. Oh, and welcome. Post a pic of a chick.
:D Again... another one liner that almost made me rupture my spleen. LOL.
Oh, yea, and welcome :cool:

[GHTRIM]

I have done this. My friends that are regulars in my boat know where the extra life vests, first aid kit and the sharp knife are kept. They can all be gotten to without disrupting the driver and are always kept in the same place.Just hope they are never needed. :(
Very good idea.. Something I really never considered :confused: Although I pride myself as being a safe boater. Another lesson / idea learned from HB forums. I love this place.. Our prayers to the fellow boater :frown: :frown:

[Mrs. HOOTER SLED]

Couple of thoughts come to mind Mrs. HS, if he can't swim as dorky as it looks he should always wear a lifevest, he should look into some swim lessons even if he is embarassed, I would hate too lose my friend because he can't swim, sorry just my thought...
Thank-you for the though it's much appreciated........... I told him maybe he should take some swimming lessons with Drew (our youngest) and learn also!!!! I get nervous some times and like to keep the square floatie cusion hooked to my foot. I could swim ( not pro) and could help him if something happened, but I worry I would'nt be able to go down deep under water if he did to get him. Our life jackets are right next to use in the ski locker, but whos to say we'll have time to get one.........maybe I'm just being a chick about it but hay...........

[Mrs. HOOTER SLED]

Mrs. you need to learn as much as you can about your boat. Or any of you just things to check and what to do to correct a problem if it happens. It can be very scary not knowing what to do. And Mr Hooter Sled go take some lessons. There is nothing to be embarraced about. Now if something happend and you couldn't help that would be embaracing.
Jim
I try to learn about it but, I'm not to good with understanding the gages.......at least I've learned how to drive the boat..... I'll learn more this season though!!!!!! Thanx ;)

[ColeTR1]

I’m not familiar with big 34’ cats how hard is it to get a boat like this to eject everyone on board? I have ridden in them but never driven one they feel stable. I would think you have to be going fast and turn real hard to do it in glassy water. Something just does not add up here. :confused:

[atomickitn]

my deepest thoughts and prayers to all involved :frown:

[PHOTOGLOU]

Brannon,
I shared the news with our neighbor Shelly whom is also good friends of the Christians. She dated the youngest son in high school, Jeff I think is his name. She said that the father was driving the boat and suffered a mild heard attack, collapsed forward and hit the throttles which triggered trhe accident.
Don't know if there was a heart attack involved in the boat crash but in several talkings to the family it has not been mentioned PLEASE understand that I have not talked to anyone in the family since friday so I could be out of any current information. JAY

[last dance II]

Just got back into town... My thought's go out to all the family & friends..

[Waldo]

Brannon,
I shared the news with our neighbor Shelly whom is also good friends of the Christians. She dated the youngest son in high school, Jeff I think is his name. She said that the father was driving the boat and suffered a mild heard attack, collapsed forward and hit the throttles which triggered trhe accident.
As of yesterday, we weren't told anything about a possible heart attack. The driver wasn't in the hospital that long, but like Photo said, we haven't spoken with them since yesterday and anything is possible.

[Kim Hanson]

My prayer go out to them involved, shit I don't even wear a life jacket! I will wise up and get something good. I use the kill switch and a gas pedal, but I still like going raw, all people with me wear life jackets.
Another sad day in boating, what we all live for and shit happens! I will pray for them :frown: ........( . )( . )......Its just sad to read this, this is heart felt stuff.

[BajaMike]

I'm going to post what I just found out about the crash although I'm going
to say that it's all hearsay but the source is extremely reliable. apparently
the boat was going downriver towards the casino when right by the buoy line to the "no wake zone" they tried to make a hard left. whether they tried to turn hard left due to a sandbar is unknown by my source. in either case, the boat rolled up on it's right sponson and threw everyone out of the boat, then it sat back down and started going in circles in front of the casino at a good rate of speed, it either hit someone in the water or came close enough that it caused them to go under and drown, but one person is apparently missing. the fire crew couldn't get in the water to try to help due to the boat still running around in circles. they tried the rope methods etc to stop it but it didn't work, the boat finally crashed onto the big rocks in front of the casino by that little resaurant and amphitheater. this enabled the fire crew to get into the water to search for the lost person but apparently to no avail. I am posting this
info based on what we just heard from someone who was there, I hope that my explanation is fair to all involved. what a tradgedy.
Keith Sayre
Conquest Boats
This is really sad. Does anyone know if there was more then one person hurt/killed?? or how many people were on the boat???
I remember reading the Hot Boat review of the that boat..with 2 big engines and going over 100 mph....seems dangerous for big party cat full of people.
Anyway, it's really sad... :(

[bunny 166]

Just got in... so sorry Jay and Waldo. Thinking of you and praying for the families.

[Perfect Mixer]

Sorry to here about the loss.
Here I thought since the new boat is going to be so much bigger, I wouldn't need a lanyard. I know now that it WILL have one for sure, and it will be getting used. I wonder if after this news, Advantage and all other performance boat mfgs will be making them standard equip?
My heart goes out to all those involved :frown:

[RiverPirate]

Wow....sorry Jay and Waldo. Our thoughts and prayers for eveyone involved.

[RiverRatMike]

hitting a sandbar is very possible since the crash was only a mile from my river home. The water has been down about 4ft in that area for a couple of weeks now. I could see down river at my place something was going on down there, now I know.

[Throttle]

Wow, Just checkin in from the weekend, this is sooo sad!
For the family and those of you who were close to this family and its loss, I will keep you in my thoughts and prayers.

[Huckleberry]

Haven't checked the forums for a few days and just saw this. :frown: My condolences to all involved and their friends. Like was said earlier, how many of us have had close calls before and by the grace of God were able to pull through. Truly a tragedy!

[Ducatista]

Terrible news....very sorry to hear about this :frown: My condolences to the family and friends.

[RiverDave]

Jay & Brannon, you guys have my deepest sympathies with regards to your friends. :( I would say that there's a lesson to be learned here, something we could all talk about to prevent it from happening again.. (Lanyard aside) Realistically though, sometimes things just happen. It's not anybodies fault, nor is there anything anyone could've done to prevent it, just a freak accident where by which some combination of criteria came together to produce an unexpected result. Unfortunately in this case the result ended in tragedy. :(
Once again you have my condolensces.
RD :(

[Squirtin Thunder]

I try to learn about it but, I'm not to good with understanding the gages.......at least I've learned how to drive the boat..... I'll learn more this season though!!!!!! Thanx ;)
Make the Mr. explain things to you. If you have an questions just ask. Gauges are just like messuring cups. Put it all into something you are used to and it becomes easy to understand. You do cook don't you ????
There are also boating safty classes and boat awareness classes !!!
But sometimes things happen just too fast and there is nothing you can do but try and beprepared the best possible ways.
Jim

[Boatcop]

We recovered the body of the only victim on Saturday morning. He was located about 20 feet down from the No Wake buoy closest to the California shore. There didn't appear to be any obvious trauma, so we're not sure if he was struck by the boat or not. Autopsy results will determine if he was struck or simply drowned.
We located him using our new towed underwater video array, which greatly increased our locate time, as opposed to divers in a blind search.
I'll repeat that there are no sandbars in that area. Water levels and flow have been above normal for this time of year, except for the planned lowering during the first 2 weeks of the year.
Our sympathies go out to the victim's friends and family.

[VEGASBABY]

Wow! Im sorry man, please extentend our prayers to the family. :frown:

[RiverRatMike]

We recovered the body of the only victim on Saturday morning. He was located about 20 feet down from the No Wake buoy closest to the California shore. There didn't appear to be any obvious trauma, so we're not sure if he was struck by the boat or not. Autopsy results will determine if he was struck or simply drowned.
We located him using our new towed underwater video array, which greatly increased our locate time, as opposed to divers in a blind search.
I'll repeat that there are no sandbars in that area. Water levels and flow have been above normal for this time of year, except for the planned lowering during the first 2 weeks of the year.
Our sympathies go out to the victim's friends and family.
The water level has been down about 4 feet in my area which is about one mile up river from the casino.

[PHOTOGLOU]

Just got an update.. but not from a family member..Someone who is not a board member but also very close to the family. Traveling south at a moderate rate of speed 40 - 50 for a boat that I have been in at 88 MPH I call this moderate, NOT FAST, NOT WOT AND NO ALCOHOL INVOLVED AT ALL. Taking the last right turn to the final stretch before the no wake zone with the sun setting and reflecting off the water the driver started to decelerate the driver noticed he was on a direct path to hit the bouy IF YOU HAVE EVER had the sun reflecting in your eyes at that strech of parker you know how easy this could happen to you. Driver swerved to avoid the bouy slipped out of his seat reached back up to pull himself up and used the steering wheel. this is where I have gotten 2 different stories so I will let you know as soon as I know for sure Jay

[Rock-A-Bye-Baby]

This accident is absolutley horrible. I have met these people and been in their home. They are extremely gracious and are very nice people. Though i may not be able to call them friends, they are very close friends of some very close friends of mine. I wish the best to everyone who affected by this and my prayers go out the Christians.

[jeepinscott]

Tragic, my heart goes out to the families involved.
Mr. Hootersled, I have taught swimming to all ages, from 18 month old toddlers to 86 year old geezers, and everyone in between, surely I can teach you how to save your own life. Pm me, will work for beer!

[OC-PARTYCAT]

I have taught swimming to all ages, from 18 month old toddlers to 86 year old geezers, and everyone in between, surely I can teach you how to save your own life. Pm me, will work for beer!
dont mean to hijack but, what city are you in Scott, I think you taught my 18 month old how to swim a while back. Do you work with your mom??

[got boltons?]

I was reading this thread the other night and thought what a tragedy. It didnt hit me until I got to work today to find out the man found saturday was my finish plumber. It can happen to anyone..you just never know. My condolences go out to the families of those involved.

[ColeTR1]

We recovered the body of the only victim on Saturday morning. He was located about 20 feet down from the No Wake buoy closest to the California shore. There didn't appear to be any obvious trauma, so we're not sure if he was struck by the boat or not. Autopsy results will determine if he was struck or simply drowned.
We located him using our new towed underwater video array, which greatly increased our locate time, as opposed to divers in a blind search.
I'll repeat that there are no sandbars in that area. Water levels and flow have been above normal for this time of year, except for the planned lowering during the first 2 weeks of the year.
Our sympathies go out to the victim's friends and family.
Boatcop was there any witnesses on the shore the saw this happen? I just can believe a boat this big could throw everyone out unless you turn the wheel to full lock real fast, at a good speed. I ask these questions just trying to learn! To keep this from happening to myself and friends in the future. :confused:
My sympathies go out to the everyone involved. :frown:

[OC-PARTYCAT]

Boatcop was there any witnesses on the shore the saw this happen? I just can believe a boat this big could throw everyone out unless you turn the wheel to full lock real fast, at a good speed.
It is very sad to hear about things like this.
I would like to hear more about this too. I have hooked my boat going about 35mph before and threw the peeps on the right side of the boat immediately to the left side. It is not hard to do in a cat. I hit a swell that lifted the bow in a right turn situation and when the bow dropped to a sharp turn in a bow down situation, the left sponson dug in and you know the rest. If I was at speed this wouldnt happen, I would have been packing air and went right over it. Its not hard to do. I can only speculate what happened in the 34' PC and maybe the same thing happened to him and threw everyone from the boat. I think it would be really hard to get that thing up on its side.
Sorry to hear about this

[ColeTR1]

I have hooked my boat going about 35mph before and threw the peeps on the right side of the boat immediately to the left side. It is not hard to do in a cat. I hit a swell that lifted the bow in a right turn situation and when the bow dropped to a sharp turn in a bow down situation, the left sponson dug in and you know the rest.
Thanks for the input OC-PARTYCAT. I ride in cats all the time i didn't know that they could be that unstable!

[riverroyal]

i feel sick,Im calling swim school tommorrow to get my kids a refresher class for a month or so,,,,,,,thoughts and prayers,,,,

[JB in so cal]

Anymore info on this? Just a sad, sad accident!

[loves the river]

The person you are all writing about was an incredible person. His name is Moses Clark AKA Moe. He was a kind and loving person that always had a smile on his face. His wonderful fiance is a long time friend of the Christians and she just brought him up to Parker for a nice weekend.
In his memory, I would like everyone who knows the Christians to encourage them to never allow anyone on their boats without a life jacket. (Especially children) Also, please do not get on their boat or any other boat for that matter unless the driver is wearing his kill switch.
Rest in Peace Moe. You will never be forgotten!

[Kachina26]

My condolences to you and the family.

[Sanger D]

GOD ,BLESS this family and please ease the pain in their hearts,bless their lives and give them peace, in JESUS NAME I pray ,AMEN,
I am truely shocked at the amount of people who say they don,t wear a life jacket or use their kill switch,WHAT ARE YOU THINKING???? this can,t or won,t happen to you??AND NOW you decide to waer one because of a tragedy,and how long will it really last?IF this gentleman who was killed was just THROWN from the boat and thats all,he,d be here today!!!!you people MUST wear your vests,their damn lucky that boat did,nt run ashore and kill someone else!!!!!THIS IS A SUBTLE REBUKE for those who do not exercise useing safety equip. in their boats,tragedys like this family is facing can be prevented,its NOT a matter of "hey its your time to go" thats crap and GOD does not work like that,you make the choice to hurddle yourself across the water,and then take NO percausions and come up with reasons for not protecting yourself,(FOOLISHNESS PEOPLE).Its easy to have fun a forget the things of boating ,but you must remember to take care of yourself and be responsible for your passengers,I am truely,truely sorry for this family and I know GOD will comfort them,so let it be a VERY EXSPENCIVE lesson to ALL who boat and use the protection you,ve been given,esspecailly you boaters who are runnin these 25 foot plus boats, these things are semi trucks of the water and built for big waters and your out on crowded small rivers,remember they don,t stop, turn or manuever very well and I see them out there runnin 60 to 70 PLUS mph,so PLEASE BE CAREFUL and WEAR YOUR GEAR!!!!!
GOD BLESS THE CHRISTAINS FAMILY OH,ask this mans family if they think vests and kill switches are important!!!!! its just not pleasure boating,EVER!!!!