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Kindsvater Flat
01-22-2005, 10:55 PM
So who is he/she on the boards?

Bense468
01-22-2005, 11:15 PM
what are you trying to figure out?

Kindsvater Flat
01-22-2005, 11:16 PM
I want to network my house with my parents next door. About 150' or so.

C-2
01-22-2005, 11:23 PM
Mine was pretty easy, Linksys
Plugged it into my cable modem, loaded the software, installed a wireless card on the second computer and let her rip. Took less than 1/2 hour.
Today my mom comes over with brand new laptop, which came set up for a wirless connection. Powered on and jumped on the net. Unreal.

mickeyfinn
01-22-2005, 11:28 PM
150' feet may or may not work. Depends on the houses. The sure way to do it is with a directional antennae at your house and her house. 150' no problem there as long as you have clear line of site. You will need 2 wireless routers or an extender/repeater. The cheaper way is to hard wire between houses. Just run a piece of Cat 5 between houses, plug into wireless at her house and into a spare port on your end and voila. Not a big deal either way. Not that you really care about this but doing so is probably a violation of your TOS with the ISP. They are trying to prohibit groups of people sharing a single connection, not someone helping out mom, but it is a violation.

Kindsvater Flat
01-22-2005, 11:36 PM
The only thing my mom uses the internet for is the Food Network site. Nothing else. She has never used email. I have discussed this with my ISP provider and he said there was no problem since the service I pay for is unlimited computors but limited to 6 gigs of bandwidth a month.
I do have a direct line of site with no obstructions so I was going to try 2 routers. Cat 5 would be out of the question. There is a pool and hedge and lots of sidewalk in between.

C-2
01-22-2005, 11:48 PM
Mickey,
When using a wireless network, is any bandwith lost as the result of additional users?
Not as a result of the connection to the router; rather, 1 or 100 users, does it matter since it's wireless signal only???
I was wondering about this earlier :idea: :idea: :idea:
Thanks in advance

mickeyfinn
01-22-2005, 11:48 PM
try two routers with no special antennae to start with. 802.11 is good for 1300' in a perfect world with no losses. Every wall is effectively gonna give you about 3 db loss. so the closer you can mount them to her side of your house the better. Buy a decent brand too. Do a google search and do some reading if you want to increase your odds. You can buy routers with up to a full 300mw of power which definitely increase the chances of you getting there. Like I said before it really should be no problem.
Only 6 GB?
How the hell can you look at porn with a bandwidth limit like that? :D

Evo22
01-22-2005, 11:53 PM
PM me with what you are looking to do. I can help you out.

bigq
01-23-2005, 12:19 AM
Like Mickey said:
A couple of these AP (http://www.hawkingtech.com/prodSpec.php?ProdID=178)
and these:
WiFi Card (http://www.hawkingtech.com/prodSpec.php?ProdID=179)
You can try it with no antennas at first . Hawking has some good high gain antennas:
Indoor and Outdoor (http://www.hawkingtech.com/prodFam.php?CatId=32)
If you set them on the two walls closes to each other you would get a better signal. the bandwidth will start to collapse the farther away you get.

mickeyfinn
01-23-2005, 05:57 AM
Mickey,
When using a wireless network, is any bandwith lost as the result of additional users?
Not as a result of the connection to the router; rather, 1 or 100 users, does it matter since it's wireless signal only???
I was wondering about this earlier :idea: :idea: :idea:
Thanks in advance
You don't lose any bandwidth because of the wireless connection. The bandwidth is between your connection device (dsl modem, cable modem etc) and the ISP. Throughput speed should not be a problem since even wireless b is 11 Mbps and most cable modems peak at around 3. The only real difference you may see is
a. if you run the wireless encryption. This sometimes adds some time to the transmissions for resolving the key.
b. Anytime you are working behind a router the router must resolve packet routing and sometimes this adds a very slight delay.
c. If you do something with static IP addresses for your machines and wind up with two machines with the same address this could cause problems.
The only other real obstacle is if you have a LOT of traffic going on behind the router. (large file transfers between machines) This could cause collisions or CRC errors that make it necessary for the machines to retransmit. But with a home system shouldn't be an issue.

C-2
01-23-2005, 09:36 AM
You don't lose any bandwidth because of the wireless connection. The bandwidth is between your connection device (dsl modem, cable modem etc) and the ISP. Throughput speed should not be a problem since even wireless b is 11 Mbps and most cable modems peak at around 3. The only real difference you may see is
a. if you run the wireless encryption. This sometimes adds some time to the transmissions for resolving the key.
b. Anytime you are working behind a router the router must resolve packet routing and sometimes this adds a very slight delay.
c. If you do something with static IP addresses for your machines and wind up with two machines with the same address this could cause problems.
The only other real obstacle is if you have a LOT of traffic going on behind the router. (large file transfers between machines) This could cause collisions or CRC errors that make it necessary for the machines to retransmit. But with a home system shouldn't be an issue.
Wow, thanks for the detailed answer mickey, very much appreciated. :)

bigq
01-23-2005, 12:38 PM
First I would always use encryption and also disable the SSID braodcast that most AP's will do. I have a person next to me using a wireless network that i can get onto because he has no protection.
The "bandwidth" can deminish with distance. As the signal gets weaker most devices today will lower the data transfer rate to compensate and aquire a reliable data path so it may be 54 or lower. nonetheless as Mickeyfinn said you wont notice it because the DSL/Cable is only so fast anyway.
As far as what happens behind the router, the local "wired" network, even the cheaper routers use packet switching ports at 100Mb full duplex ( 100Mb each way). They have no collisions and no latency waiting to send any frames. So unless you plan on using some older hub or running all wireless (wireless still uses collision detection) in the PC I wouldn't worry about that. The AP would plug into one of the switched ports of the router.

mickeyfinn
01-23-2005, 01:01 PM
I wpuld disable the ssid broadcast, but instead of running the encryption I would set up a mac address filter. This will only allow access to your wireless system to mac addresses you define.Not quite as secure as encryption but as a rule it is more than adequate for home use. There are some people capable of spoofing your mac address, but if someone isgoing to that trouble you probably have more to worry about. One more important thing is don't forget to change the default router password. Like I said theencryption is most secure but you do sacrifice some speed. Ultimately its up to you, so look at what info you bounce around the web and make your decision. IMHO a good MAC filter combined witha strong firewall will usually provide plenty of security. Lastly make sure all sharing is disabled

bigq
01-23-2005, 02:23 PM
I wpuld disable the ssid broadcast, but instead of running the encryption I would set up a mac address filter. This will only allow access to your wireless system to mac addresses you define.Not quite as secure as encryption but as a rule it is more than adequate for home use. There are some people capable of spoofing your mac address, but if someone isgoing to that trouble you probably have more to worry about. One more important thing is don't forget to change the default router password. Like I said theencryption is most secure but you do sacrifice some speed. Ultimately its up to you, so look at what info you bounce around the web and make your decision. IMHO a good MAC filter combined witha strong firewall will usually provide plenty of security. Lastly make sure all sharing is disabled
Good call i like it. :wink:
I wounder how many routers still have the default password running on them? :D

Bense468
01-24-2005, 10:19 AM
Most of them.
K-flat. These guys pretty much covered ir