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HTM Racing
09-26-2001, 04:31 PM
This is HTM's official response to various rumors and innuendo read on these message boards.
1. There has never been a known case of an HTM delaminating, ever.
2. Steve Coulombe does not spend $30,000.00 a month keeping his personal engine running.
3. We do not know of an HTM old or new rolling or flipping over.
4. HTM provides excellent warranty service to it's customers.
5. HTM holds the documented speed record for a single engine stern drive at 143 mph.
6. HTM is solvent and doing business we recently opened our second facility in Barstow, CA.
HTM concentrates on building high performance boats that are reasonably priced we do not bash or spread rumors about our competitors. It would be easy to guess the authors of some of these messages. We invite anyone with questions to call or stop by one of our show rooms or better yet if you are in the neighborhood of Lake Castaic this weekend (Sept. 29-30) watch us race and you can see what it's all about without reading anyone else's opinion.
We welcome all comments and inquiries!
See you on the water!
HTM Racing

Chet 17
09-26-2001, 07:58 PM
Its about time you stepped in. I was getting tired of all the bad vibes.....God I still Love my boat, 65 hrs and not a trouble to be found......
Welcome to the Board, look forward to your input and good luck this weekend!!!!
I'll be in havasu for the advantage regatta...Dont ask why..
P.S. If Steves not spending 30K a month on one motor maybe you can spare a procharger and XR upgrade, to a loyal happy customer.
Does'nt hurt to ask
Thanks
Daren

tahoe22
09-26-2001, 08:51 PM
HTM Racing - Welcome to the boards!
I think the majority of the people that have frequented these boards have become edumacted enough thanks to a former poster named Jackass001 to know that when somebody starts bashing a manufacturer on his 1st or 2nd post, its likely to be either a disgruntled ex-employee, or a competitor trying to make brand X look bad.
I dont know a lot about your boats but I can tell you we all really appreciate the manufacturers coming into these boards to answer questions about the products they build.
Hope you can make it to the MFR OP6CL
next summer in Parker & show off your guns! I for one would really like a test ride.
Chris Moran

Craig
09-27-2001, 05:47 AM
Hey HTM Racing, how's the drag class going? I keep checking the IHBA board and never see a mention of it. I hope you guys come out to the Finals in Phoenix, I'll be there and would like to see you run, even if I have a competetors cat http://free.***boat.net/ubb/biggrin.gif Hell, I'd love to make a pass down the liquid quarter, but I only have one of them Bravo things on the back!!!
Craig

Craig
09-27-2001, 05:48 AM
Originally posted by Craig:
Hey HTM Racing, how's the drag class going? I keep checking the IHBA board and never see a mention of it. I hope you guys come out to the Finals in Phoenix, I'll be there and would like to see you run, even if I have a competetors cat http://free.***boat.net/ubb/biggrin.gif Hell, I'd love to make a pass down the liquid quarter, but I only have one of them Bravo things on the back!!!
Craig

realitycheck
09-27-2001, 08:34 AM
HTM Racing, your input is appreciated and a long time coming. However, could you answer some important questions?
1) Do you officially represent HTM?
2) What is/are your name(s)?
3) Why did you list a socal email address and not a hightorquemarine email address?
Thanks

HTM Racing
09-27-2001, 08:45 AM
WE WILL BE AT LAKE CASTAIC, CA IHBA DRAG RACE THIS WEEKEND!!! HTM RACE TEAM WILL ALSO BE AT WORLD FINALS IN ARIZONA.. Originally posted by Craig:
Hey HTM Racing, how's the drag class going? I keep checking the IHBA board and never see a mention of it. I hope you guys come out to the Finals in Phoenix, I'll be there and would like to see you run, even if I have a competetors cat http://free.***boat.net/ubb/biggrin.gif Hell, I'd love to make a pass down the liquid quarter, but I only have one of them Bravo things on the back!!!
Craig

HTM Racing
09-27-2001, 08:57 AM
1) YES, WE ARE THE HTM FACTORY / RACING
2) STEVE & LIA COULOMBE
3) OUR ADDRESS SHOULD BE THERE, IF NOT, HERE IT IS AGAIN HTM@SOCAL.RR.COM

Tom Slick
09-27-2001, 09:30 AM
Glad to see that you guys posted on here about all of the B.S. that people have been saying about you and your company. My boat runs great, handles great and makes alot of other guys at the lake cry on the weekend when I lift the hatch and they see that they just got smoked by a single carb.
Steve, sorry for not sending your timing light back. I just remembered that I have it and I will send it to you today, you'll have it tommorrow.

realitycheck
09-27-2001, 09:45 AM
Thanks for clearing that up and
WELCOME!!!

HTM Racing
09-27-2001, 10:35 AM
Thanks for sending it back to us http://free.***boat.net/ubb/cool.gif Sure could us it for the races this week end ..We will let you know when it shows up a the shop http://free.***boat.net/ubb/biggrin.gif Originally posted by Tom Slick:
Glad to see that you guys posted on here about all of the B.S. that people have been saying about you and your company. My boat runs great, handles great and makes alot of other guys at the lake cry on the weekend when I lift the hatch and they see that they just got smoked by a single carb.
Steve, sorry for not sending your timing light back. I just remembered that I have it and I will send it to you today, you'll have it tommorrow.
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Chestah Cheetah
09-27-2001, 10:54 AM
Finally. Good to have you Steve. I have been telling Ken to get on here also to clear some issues and just be a part of this growing entity of hot boaters.
BTW, go the the topic that reads MFG's Op6. I talked to Ken about it already. It'll be good to get all of the builders together for a little BeerBQ that we're throwing.

Hustler
09-27-2001, 02:06 PM
Steve, its nice to finally see you on the boards and clear up some of these rumors on here. I hope you make it out the Mfg's OP6 party, yes it is just a party not a boat show or evaluation thing just everyday Hot Boaters who also happen to be consumers getting together for a weekend at the river.
Good luck this weekend and enjoy the boss's motorhome.Tell Don he still has time to go get his boat.
Hustler

boatnam2
09-27-2001, 06:42 PM
I keep seeing htm racing what actually are you racing?offshore or what?did not see any htm's at the popra offshore races.

James'SS-24
09-27-2001, 06:55 PM
Steve and Lia, Glad to see you finally came to this board to defend yourselves! I love my HTM http://free.***boat.net/ubb/biggrin.gif James

skijake
09-28-2001, 12:04 AM
I stay at the same RV park as Steve in Havasu.
I have not seen anyone be so willing to push his boat to the limit and continue to improve the boat, the engine, the outdrive.
He is always willing to stop and talk about what he has done. and give some helpful hints.
I have not seen anyone that is more proud of their product. He is always smiling an seems proud of what he has made.
When we hear him start up his motor we will go sit by the water and watch, the boat is amazing on how it handles and how quick it is.
Steve I wish you the best of luck with your company. I would not hesitate recommending that someone look into your boat before the purchase another boat.....

Craig
09-28-2001, 03:59 AM
Originally posted by boatnam2:
I keep seeing htm racing what actually are you racing?offshore or what?did not see any htm's at the popra offshore races.
I don't know about other groups but HTM has been running the new IHBA drag class for I/O's. Pretty impressive to see a "big" boat at the drags, and then rip off a 9 second pass at over 125 mph http://free.***boat.net/ubb/biggrin.gif They have been running a B-Max drive. Ahhh..if only the B-1 would hold up, Firebird Lake is only 20 miles from here!
Craig

racingrascal
09-30-2001, 08:23 PM
Steve welcome to the boards. It is good to see a Manu. get involved in these topics. Always good input. Hope to see you out at OP6CL Manu. event next year. I went for a ride in a blown 24' about two weeks ago at Castiac. They said the boat ran somewhere in the 115-120 range. FAST! I have a smaller cat on oarder right now.
Andy

HTM Racing
10-01-2001, 11:35 AM
HTM will be in the World Finals, at Fire Bird Raceway next month. Hope to see you there.. Oh Yeah we do get discount tickets so if your going, let us know and we might be able to send some out to you..
RESULTS FROM IHBA CASTAIC DRAGS
Darren Elliot with an HTM SS-24 took 1st by 1 hundreth of a second. Darren and Steve were neck and neck (or sponson to sponson) http://free.***boat.net/ubb/biggrin.gif
Steve Coulombe with an SR-24 took 2nd:P
Chuck Weisman with an SS-24 took 3rd http://free.***boat.net/ubb/wink.gif
Ken Lane with an SS-24 took 4th http://free.***boat.net/ubb/smile.gif
Roy Ayers with an SS-24 sadly got red eye http://free.***boat.net/ubb/frown.gif
Roy later paired up with an out board for a grudge match.. The out board got away from Roy out of the hole but half track Roy reeled him in and then passed him ..

HTM Racing
10-01-2001, 11:46 AM
To those in doubt, none of the HTM's broke down at the races, all drive's functioned perfectly. There was a mix of B-Max drives and custom built XR's by Steve, 3 HTM Motors which took (1st, 2nd, 4th), 1 Don London Motor which took 3rd and a lower by HTM and upper by Roy Ayers took 5th.
WE HAD A GREAT TIME http://free.***boat.net/ubb/biggrin.gif

Oldsquirt
10-01-2001, 11:51 AM
I was there and was quite impressed by the performance of those boats. Didn't expect such large boats to run like that. Looked great at the top end!

HTM Racing
10-01-2001, 11:53 AM
Hi Andy,
Glad you were able to get a ride on an HTM. Congrats on your boat order, it doesn't matter what boat your in as long as you are having fun! Hope to see you at the river some tome http://free.***boat.net/ubb/smile.gif

mrpumps HTM
10-02-2001, 09:29 AM
Originally posted by HTM Racing:
HTM will be in the World Finals, at Fire Bird Raceway next month. Hope to see you there.. Oh Yeah we do get discount tickets so if your going, let us know and we might be able to send some out to you..
RESULTS FROM IHBA CASTAIC DRAGS
Darren Elliot with an HTM SS-24 took 1st by 1 hundreth of a second. Darren and Steve were neck and neck (or sponson to sponson) http://free.***boat.net/ubb/biggrin.gif
Steve Coulombe with an SR-24 took 2nd:P
Chuck Weisman with an SS-24 took 3rd http://free.***boat.net/ubb/wink.gif
Ken Lane with an SS-24 took 4th http://free.***boat.net/ubb/smile.gif
Roy Ayers with an SS-24 sadly got red eye http://free.***boat.net/ubb/frown.gif
Roy later paired up with an out board for a grudge match.. The out board got away from Roy out of the hole but half track Roy reeled him in and then passed him ..
HEY H T M
THANKS SO MUCH TO ROY & STEVE for all the help on the MR PUMP SS24 HTM ,making it fly down the 1/4 mile @10.34 /114 MPH with NO DRAMA!!!!! I KNOW KEN HAD A BLAST MAKING A PASS IN IT.... Cant wait for the World Finals at FIRE BIRD ,this time we will put some wind in that little motor and see what it will DO.

Hustler
10-02-2001, 10:56 AM
Hey mrpumps, Nice you made it to the boards, Ive talked to you a few time at castaic, Good job on laying down some FAT numbers, maybe we'll see you on the lake sunday
Hustler

Craig
10-02-2001, 12:09 PM
Hey HTM Racing, Was there anything there but HTM's in the I/O class? What were the other speeds if you can recall? As I stated before, I'd love to run my Advantage at Firebird for the finals, but I'd hate to be the real slow guy! My cat just ran 107 at Havasu, but that was with a big run up! Quite a bit more then 1/4 mile! At the very least I will be there checking it out for possible future participation. If I could just get IMCO to "loan" me one of those new drives to hammer off the line http://free.***boat.net/ubb/biggrin.gif
Craig

mrpumps HTM
10-02-2001, 08:54 PM
Originally posted by Craig:
Hey HTM Racing, Was there anything there but HTM's in the I/O class? What were the other speeds if you can recall? As I stated before, I'd love to run my Advantage at Firebird for the finals, but I'd hate to be the real slow guy! My cat just ran 107 at Havasu, but that was with a big run up! Quite a bit more then 1/4 mile! At the very least I will be there checking it out for possible future participation. If I could just get IMCO to "loan" me one of those new drives to hammer off the line http://free.***boat.net/ubb/biggrin.gif
Craig
I HAVE A NEW B-MAX W/NOSE CONE FOR SALE ,SAVE $1000.00 only $10599.OO mrpumpca@aol.com

RiverDave2
10-04-2001, 11:18 AM
HTM Racing, did HTM change the bottom of there boats ever?? The reason I'm asking is I went for a ride in two HTM's a while back and they had some "problems" however I went for a ride in a couple of newer HTM's and it was 1000% better. I'm curious what changed, X dimension, Possibly the driver, bottom etc..
RD

HTM Racing
10-08-2001, 04:04 PM
Hi Craig
http://free.***boat.net/ubb/biggrin.gifWe hope next year we will be able to open the class to other brands. We will be at firebird and bring out the big guns. At castaic we brought out the bracket boats for firebird we will have brackets and full out drags. Top speed at Castaic was 114mph. If your at firebird come and visit. Originally posted by Craig:
Hey HTM Racing, Was there anything there but HTM's in the I/O class? What were the other speeds if you can recall? As I stated before, I'd love to run my Advantage at Firebird for the finals, but I'd hate to be the real slow guy! My cat just ran 107 at Havasu, but that was with a big run up! Quite a bit more then 1/4 mile! At the very least I will be there checking it out for possible future participation. If I could just get IMCO to "loan" me one of those new drives to hammer off the line http://free.***boat.net/ubb/biggrin.gif
Craig
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HTM Racing
10-08-2001, 04:32 PM
Hi RiverDave2, Yes our bottom designs have been changed. New models can be improved upon, they were slight but they made a great improvement. Some new drivers do not know how to use the the drive trim properly until they get a little seat time. X dimension is a part, some guys want top end only and they don't care about the lower end so they request their drive as high as possible, we have a sweet spot for the x dimension where it's great for all around. Don't forget about props, and drive showers. I have seen a drive shower mess with prop wash causing boat not to plane properly, same deal with props. I think most boats are that way. When getting a test ride from any company you should be in their newest product line and a driver who knows that boat to get the best performance of a product. All the boats out there are good, it's just what you like and what your wife will let you spend. http://free.***boat.net/ubb/wink.gif Originally posted by RiverDave2:
HTM Racing, did HTM change the bottom of there boats ever?? The reason I'm asking is I went for a ride in two HTM's a while back and they had some "problems" however I went for a ride in a couple of newer HTM's and it was 1000% better. I'm curious what changed, X dimension, Possibly the driver, bottom etc..
RD
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Craig
10-10-2001, 04:58 AM
HTM, we'll be down at the drags on Saturday, maybe Sunday. We'll be looking for you.
Craig

SVO 540
10-15-2001, 01:34 PM
HTM Racing, I am assuming you ran 143mph based on what I read in these postings. That speed is totally cool and awesome. I would be grateful if you could provide me with the following information about that speed run. I would like to know what kind of drive you were running and how much power the engine made? What was the gear ratio, prop pitch and engine rpm? SS or SR? Thanks.

Catatonic
10-15-2001, 05:22 PM
HTM Racing. My wife and I are already sold on the open bow SR-24. My question (like everyone else's) is with regard to power options. I thought I wanted the 496 HO with one of the new blower options and then I took a ride in a new SR with a built 573 and it was sweet! Do you have any performance expectations such as what I could expect from a 454 on up to a blown naturally aspirated plant? Do you have anything on paper or is it best to contact your sales dept? I just got your video, but it didn't really address these areas.

HTM Racing
10-16-2001, 12:13 PM
Hi SVO 540
Boat was tested by Family Performance Magazine. It was radar and GPS at 143 mph.
http://free.***boat.net/ubb/rolleyes.gif
HTM SS-24, 1:35 gear ratio, HTM's 565 pro charged, 7200 RPM, 33 pitch 4 blade custom prop.
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HTM Racing
10-16-2001, 12:35 PM
Hi Catatonic,
It's best to talk to Steve, we do not have sales people. Steve, Ken our motor builder, Roy our tooling dept, and Lia in financing do the sales. We are running some package specials and Steve has all the details. Please call and We can give you the MPH speck, we need more information on your exact package, approx amount of people you usually carry, if you want it proped for water skiing, ETC.. before we can give you estimated MPH.
661-268-1309

Catatonic
10-16-2001, 03:16 PM
Preesh. Thanks for the prompt reply...I'm happy with the service so far.

SVO 540
10-17-2001, 10:58 AM
HTM Racing, the specs on the 143mph pass are F'n awesome. To me, that seems untouchable. How much HP did the engine make?

HTM Racing
10-23-2001, 12:36 PM
Had an 1150 HP tune up, we had a pulley change that would have made it 1300 HP.
When we pulled the boat out for more fuel and pulley changes we noticed that there was so much water pressure entering the drive at high speeds, it hydrauliced the Imco nose cone (2x2 hole), putting an end to the next size pulley. The first pulley ran the # so we left the big pulley change for a later date. The next pulley change should take us well into the 150 MPH range. Since then we have put a pressure relief valve relieving the amount of pressure in the drive. We will be doing a new test in the near future, we will keep you posted. Give us a call and we will send you a copy of the press release.

haulina29
11-06-2001, 07:31 PM
I have been following the threads on the cats for some time and wanted to add some imput . I was at Wilkes Marine in the last few weeks and saw a Teal and Purple HTM with a purple pro charger motor it had sufferd delamination of the center pod and both sponsons this I saw myself and i have been around for some time . also isnt a HTM a 28 foot Warlock the 4 feet chopped off ? im sure of that. So i think HTM should be added to the splash list lets tell it how it is if were going to clear the air!!

HTM Racing
11-07-2001, 08:47 AM
Hi Haulina 29,
Sorry but YOU THINK WRONG! You can come and visit our facility any time and see the photo's of the SR-24 plug from start to finish. It is NOT A SPLASH. You are insulting to us and all the manufactures who do not splash, it's because of your I THINK rumors start that are not true!!! Our hulls are original designs and have been Copy Righted. You can see them on the internet on the United States Copy Right web site loc.gov/copyright go to Vessel Hull protection act or D-VH. You will see the SR & SS 24 with many other original vessels. We were the first to test the new law. It was against a spashed set of SR-24 molds, we won. As for the delaminating vessel you had seen, it's kind of funny if it is an supposed HTM why did they not contact us to let us know about it. I know Jim Wilkes from Wilkes Marine and I'll give him a call today to find out about what you seen. I'll keep you posted on the truth. http://free.***boat.net/ubb/biggrin.gif
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HTM Racing
11-07-2001, 11:45 AM
Hi Again,
Called Wilkes Marine and found out what you saw. You and others have seen this boat, and that is a perfect example of how people develope rumors of stress cracking and delaminating. There is always two sides to every story and in this case it holds strong. I take it that you did not speak to the owner of the Virage built SR-24 about why his bottom looks the way it did.
FACT : Customer had no boating experience and this was his first boat.
FACT: Customer brought boat into HTM a few weeks later because there was no water coming from his exhausts. After inspecting the boat which looked as if it had been dragged through a rock quarry with severe cosmetic damage to bottom and drive. Sand packed the low water pick up and burned the impeller out causing it to not get water to motor / exhaust.
FACT: The Customer explained to us that he had drifted close to the rocks and instead of hitting reverse he went into forward gear by mistake. The customer said he had an automotive body shop that owed him a favor and he would have them repair the boat.
FACT: Approx 6 month later he was in the ocean off the coast of Calif. and had ignition failure and could not restart his boat. He was close to shore when this had happened on a rough day. His boat road the waves all the way to shore and was thrown into a rocky beach.
FACT: After this second accident he had taken the boat to Rason Craft and had them do the repairs to the bottom of the boat. It now had internal damage due to accidents, but was overlooked by Rason Craft. This vessel should have not been fixed but totaled.
FACT: Approx. one month later the customer brought boat to us for inspection because the previous repairs were failing. It was the most hidious repairs HTM has ever seen.
WE found rough texture gel over unfinished body work / unfinished repairs / and internal damage / cracking and pealing repaired areas. At that time we highly recommended to the customer that his insurance should total this vessel because it was unsafe and was a bad reflection of our name.
FACT: Boat sat at HTM for two months while we waited for the insurance companies decision. The insurance would not cover the boat because of some drive / owner discrepency.
THAT IS WHAT YOU'VE SEEN and we do not know what has happened to this vessel since then.

Hustler
11-07-2001, 12:19 PM
HTM, I'm glad to see you on the boards again but not for the reason at hand. It seems to me that you have to keep defending your self on here instead of giving good boating advise that we could all use. people like this JACKASS that come on here and post shit they know nothing about should either get the facts or shut the **** up. you are wasting very valuable time of some one that could be using it for better things.
HTM Racing, I do hope you stick around and give us your input when you can.
keep'em flying
Hustler
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gimprvr
11-07-2001, 01:35 PM
HTM, What ever happened to the Virage Guy? I hear he's playing hide and seek.

mrpumps HTM
11-07-2001, 01:35 PM
Originally posted by Hustler:
HTM, I'm glad to see you on the boards again but not for the reason at hand. It seems to me that you have to keep defending your self on here instead of giving good boating advise that we could all use. people like this JACKASS that come on here and post shit they know nothing about should either get the facts or shut the **** up. you are wasting very valuable time of some one that could be using it for better things.
HTM Racing, I do hope you stick around and give us your input when you can.
keep'em flying
Hustler
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RIGHT ON HUSTLER!!!!!!!!! I THINK THIS INDIVIDUAL MUST SUFFER FROM PENIS INVEY,THIS IS TOTAL FU@#ING BULL SHIT .HE PROBABLY HAS A 1969 BAYLINER 16 FT THAT CANT PLAIN WITH HIS 400 LB WIFE SITTING ON THE DECK.SORRY BUT I JUST CANT SIT AND LISTEN TO THIS OR ANY OTHER FU#$ING IDIOT ! THANKS & HAVE A NICE DAY HA HA HA ..............

Hustler
11-07-2001, 02:06 PM
The thing that really piss's me off is that it seems like alot of people always have something bad to say about HTM when they dont even have the facts, I like all boats (except bayliner) and I think if you have something to say about a certain manufacture that you have a personal problem with then speak your mind, but these people that just blurt out what ever,when ever with out knowing the true facts are out to start a bunch of shit and should probably just keep ther mouth shut because they could be taking someones diner of the table with out even knowing it.
MrPumps, I heard you guys ran real good at pheonix, Whats the deal with selling your boat? I have'nt even gotten a ride http://free.***boat.net/ubb/biggrin.gif
Hustler

mrpumps HTM
11-07-2001, 02:54 PM
Originally posted by Hustler:
The thing that really piss's me off is that it seems like alot of people always have something bad to say about HTM when they dont even have the facts, I like all boats (except bayliner) and I think if you have something to say about a certain manufacture that you have a personal problem with then speak your mind, but these people that just blurt out what ever,when ever with out knowing the true facts are out to start a bunch of shit and should probably just keep ther mouth shut because they could be taking someones diner of the table with out even knowing it.
MrPumps, I heard you guys ran real good at pheonix, Whats the deal with selling your boat? I have'nt even gotten a ride http://free.***boat.net/ubb/biggrin.gif
Hustler
NOT 2 WORRY HUSTLER!!!!! I WAS JUST TESTING THE WATER . STEVE AT HTM WAS THINKING ABOUT BUILDING A 28FT CAT SO I MIGHT SELL MY SS24 ANG GET A NEW 28FOOTER WITH 2 600"PONTAICS??????????????? BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT THE H T M 28 WILL BE A FINE RIDE

Slick
11-07-2001, 03:15 PM
I saw you HTM boys run in Phoenix. Pretty impressive. In all seriousness, and not to bag on any of the engine builders, but how realiable are your rigs. That's a lot of hp to be real reliable. What kind of hours are you getting out of those setups before a rebuild or freshen-up.
By the way, I was surprised one of you didn't get your head taken off by the holding rope. I can't remember which boat it was, I think it was all white. Anyway, he hit it pretty hard before the starting platform and was riding real high as he went under the rope. Scary.
Later
Slick
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haulina29
11-07-2001, 03:30 PM
HTM
Thank you for your quick reply ! Its funny how people respond to a thread called setting the record straight, I used my correct log in name with my correct email etc . I did not state i think its a 28 cut down I said I am sure its a Warlock 28 cut down i also stated that it was a delamination problem ,if it had been on the rocks i would not have mentioned it period. If the other people on the board dont want the facts then dont read what I post . you didnt have to call Wilkes to ask about the boat because you new what boat I was refering to, it belonged to a guy they call Porky and Wilkes told you it was totaled when it happened,and on a final note anybody on this board who doubts that it is a 28 walock cut down doesnt no much about boats I do appreciate your professional reply I feel if were going to set the record straight lets do it
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haulina29
11-07-2001, 03:44 PM
HTM i do not know who fixed the boat I seriously doubt that Rayson Craft did the work and why bring Rayson Craft in I dont see them or anybody else posting anything about HTM
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schiada96
11-07-2001, 03:48 PM
I don't know shit but who would turn a person loose with a high performance boat with no experience ?? Could that lead to problems for the people who build them?

mrpumps HTM
11-07-2001, 04:07 PM
Originally posted by Slick:
I saw you HTM boys run in Phoenix. Pretty impressive. In all seriousness, and not to bag on any of the engine builders, but how realiable are your rigs. That's a lot of hp to be real reliable. What kind of hours are you getting out of those setups before a rebuild or freshen-up.
By the way, I was surprised one of you didn't get your head taken off by the holding rope. I can't remember which boat it was, I think it was all white. Anyway, he hit it pretty hard before the starting platform and was riding real high as he went under the rope. Scary.
Later
Slick
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SLICK ..... THAT WAS MY BOAT AT THE ROPE (no drama) BUT FROM THE SEATS IT LOOKS TIGHT!!!,I DID WHAT THE STARTER SAID TO DO!!!,TO MUCH WIND TO HOLD A BIG BOAT ON THE ROPES. Hell we had a hard time just sitting and not moving (15+MPH HEAD WIND) it helped to sink a fueler at the ropes just befor we ran .In regards to reliability of are engins,first#1 ITS RACING, HOW MUCH WIND(blower speed),RPM,FUEL&abuse?????????? BUT MY LITTLE POWER PLANT HAS ABOUT 40HR ON IT AND 90%of it is W F O RUNNING. MAINTENCE HAS BEEN 2 OIL CHANGES ,(AFTER EACH DRAG EVENT).DO IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME IT SHOULD LAST ,BUT KEEP THIS IN MIND BIG HP& USE-ABUSE WILL NEVER LAST AS LONG AS A STOCK 496 HOWEVER A STOCK ENGINE WONT GET THE BIG #s at the TRACK/LAKE.

Hustler
11-07-2001, 04:09 PM
Are you mental or what? HTM flat out told you that the hull was not a Warlock, show me proof that it is, I happen to know that alot research went into there hull and is not a Splash. did you go and look at the copyright on the hull? as far as the delam. I think HTM went above and beyond to clear some BS that you started and you still have a problem it, from what read out of it is that it is not even one of his hulls.
Hustler

Slick
11-07-2001, 04:53 PM
MrPumps, from the seats, are you kidding!!! I was just motoring away from the holding rope after dragging someone out there. I was about 200' from you. I was one of the dorks on the jet ski's all weekend. You were right, the wind got pretty vicious. It was around 30+ when that gals boat went under. I went out to get Nitro Fish in a big hurry, too. He was taking on water as well. Luckily we got him in and on the trailer in time.
40hrs, not bad. I figured it was less before you'd have to tear it down. You guys were stomopin' on it pretty hard.
Slick
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mrpumps HTM
11-07-2001, 05:16 PM
Originally posted by Slick:
MrPumps, from the seats, are you kidding!!! I was just motoring away from the holding rope after dragging someone out there. I was about 200' from you. I was one of the dorks on the jet ski's all weekend. You were right, the wind got pretty vicious. It was around 30+ when that gals boat went under. I went out to get Nitro Fish in a big hurry, too. He was taking on water as well. Luckily we got him in and on the trailer in time.
40hrs, not bad. I figured it was less before you'd have to tear it down. You guys were stomopin' on it pretty hard.
Slick
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SLICK......GOOD JOB DUDE!!! how in the hell did you last in that water ,thats the nastest,funkest water in the world. how did your jetski take to that salt water,it made a clealup nightmare on my boat .

mrpumps HTM
11-07-2001, 05:16 PM
Originally posted by Slick:
MrPumps, from the seats, are you kidding!!! I was just motoring away from the holding rope after dragging someone out there. I was about 200' from you. I was one of the dorks on the jet ski's all weekend. You were right, the wind got pretty vicious. It was around 30+ when that gals boat went under. I went out to get Nitro Fish in a big hurry, too. He was taking on water as well. Luckily we got him in and on the trailer in time.
40hrs, not bad. I figured it was less before you'd have to tear it down. You guys were stomopin' on it pretty hard.
Slick
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SLICK......GOOD JOB DUDE!!! how in the hell did you last in that water ,thats the nastest,funkest water in the world. how did your jetski take to that salt water,it made a clealup nightmare on my boat .

Slick
11-07-2001, 05:37 PM
For starters, it was a rental company that provided the ski's. I'd never put my jet ski's let alone my boat in that crap. Second, the only time I got wet was when I had to to hook up to Nitro Fish. I was gettin' blown all over the friggin' place so I said F*&^ it and jumped in. You're right, it's pretty gross. It looks like an oil spill after the Top Alcohol and Top Fuel guys run.

HTM Racing
11-07-2001, 06:25 PM
Just realized there were two pages to this, sorry that we did not reply before.. Randy at Virage was a con man. He butleged boats out of our molds, and build a set of bootleg mold that we chased all over the U.S. Finally cought up with them and got them back with the new Copy Right laws... He had all his guys work for two weeks without pay and the one day didn't show up, and locked all the doors. There are alot of people still waiting for him to surface so they can pay him a visit. http://free.***boat.net/ubb/biggrin.gif http://free.***boat.net/ubb/biggrin.gif http://free.***boat.net/ubb/biggrin.gif http://free.***boat.net/ubb/biggrin.gif
Originally posted by gimprvr:
HTM, What ever happened to the Virage Guy? I hear he's playing hide and seek.

haulina29
11-07-2001, 07:39 PM
Hustler
The only time there is a issue with splashing when its done without permission the boat was splashed with blessing of the other manufacture the next time you are at havasu pull them on the beach side by side they are almost identical not to say they didnt do alot of work converting it to a 24 infact it is bitchen and with no legal issue's "permission" from another manufacture you can copy right anything , show me, post a picture of a wooden buck with no glass on it not a converted fiberglass plug ready to take a mold off.but of course this is just my opinion my02

HTM Racing
11-07-2001, 08:04 PM
I'm sorry your offended by the truth. Please call Rason Craft and you will find out that the boat was sitting there for a month upside down while they did repairs to it...
Maybe Rason Craft only worked on the new damage or they had trouble because of the auto body work that was done on it prior. AGAIN NONE of these repairs were due to HTM or even Virage. This was caused by an accident, and any other boat put through the same thing would have the same outcome. Simply letting you know what happened.. AS for this Porky dude, I don't have a clue what you are talking about! Is that a nick name of the customer? Did you talk to this Porky Guy? If so who is it? You obviously knew the boat was in an accident because you stated and knew it should have been totaled,
so why are you slandering our company. This is the first time I've called Wilke's shop in months, Jim called us months ago and talked about motor stuff, nothing about a boat hull. As before I have offered you to come and see the photos, I also have photo's of the customers boat in question that I took for the insurance and it plainly shows what the damages were caused by. And the customer can confirm. You seem to think you know alot about us and our customers, you obviously don't.
The fact is I can say I know haulina 29 personally, he has the slowest boat on the planet, it's blown up twice, it cost him $30,000.00 a month to keep it togeather, and I have seen this with my own eyes. Oh and I know for a fact haulina 29 splashed an HTM and is going into business for himself..I won't give anyone my name so they can check facts with who they involved, I wont give any real proof of anything, when someone gives me the opportunity to see what the truth is, I wont check it out, just my word, isn't that good enough. We'll I guess it shows that any one can say anything, but the difference is that I am willing to prove what I say.
Have to go and build boats now, I think we have covered everything more than once, and it's obvious we will just go round and round.. SO see ya on the water..
Originally posted by haulina29:
HTM i do not know who fixed the boat I seriously doubt that Rayson Craft did the work and why bring Rayson Craft in I dont see them or anybody else posting anything about HTM
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HTM Racing
11-07-2001, 08:48 PM
Hi Shiada 96,
Yes, it could cause problems. He was taken to the lake personally by Steve and show how to drive the boat, etc. The boat ran around 85 MPH. People with and without experience sometimes have a little more fun than they should out on the water, if you know what I mean.
Originally posted by schiada96:
I don't know shit but who would turn a person loose with a high performance boat with no experience ?? Could that lead to problems for the people who build them?

schiada96
11-07-2001, 08:56 PM
HTM thanks for the response. You have been fading a lot of heat as of late. I looked at a boat of yours at Boostpower it looked great. I raced a purple htm 24 at parker in aug I believe I had him a couple of boats up thru 100 then I ran out of, well you now

mrpumps HTM
11-07-2001, 09:25 PM
Originally posted by haulina29:
HTM
Thank you for your quick reply ! Its funny how people respond to a thread called setting the record straight, I used my correct log in name with my correct email etc . I did not state i think its a 28 cut down I said I am sure its a Warlock 28 cut down i also stated that it was a delamination problem ,if it had been on the rocks i would not have mentioned it period. If the other people on the board dont want the facts then dont read what I post . you didnt have to call Wilkes to ask about the boat because you new what boat I was refering to, it belonged to a guy they call Porky and Wilkes told you it was totaled when it happened,and on a final note anybody on this board who doubts that it is a 28 walock cut down doesnt no much about boats I do appreciate your professional reply I feel if were going to set the record straight lets do it
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HAULINA29 WHAT IS 29 ANYWAYS IS THAT YOUR IQ OR TEN TIMES YOUR LENGTH ANYWAY IN REGARDS TO YOUR ALLEGED HULL SPLASHING OF A WARLOCK TO AN HTM WHY DON'T YOU PUT YOUR MONEY WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS. TAKE THE MEASUREMENTS FROM ANY AND ALL ANGLES AND BRING THEM TO THE HTM FACTORY IN ACTON AND CHECK FOR YOURSELF THE ONLY SIMILARITY YOU WILL FIND IS THAT YOUR ASS AND YOUR FACE ARE THE SAME. IN REGARDS TO DELAMANATION THE PEOPLE AT HTM NEVER BASH OTHER MANUFACTURES BUT I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT DCB HAS AN ALL WHITE WITH TWIN OUTBOARDS THAT DELAMANATED BIG TIME. IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE ME ASK HIM THE NEXT TIME YOU SEE HIM AT HAVASU. BUT I AM NOT BAD MOUTHING DCB'S THERE A FINE BOAT BUT PROBLEMS SOMETIMES HAPPEN HOWEVER YOUR BAGGING ON HTM IS UNCALLED FOR THE HULL YOUR TALKING ABOUT WAS NOT EVEN MADE BY HTM IS WAS A VIRAGE AND IT HAD ACCIDENT DAMAGE THAT WAS REPAIRED BY OTHERS NOT HTM OR ANYONE RELATED TO HTM. THE NEXT TIME YOU SHOOT OFF YOUR MOUTH PUT SOME BULLETS BEHIND THE BANG YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY A FU**ING IDIOT ANN I AM SICK TO DEATH OF IDIOTS LIKE YOU OH YEAH SUPER SIZE MY FRIES. THE PURPOSE OF THESE FORUMS IS FOR INFORMATION NOT SLANDER WHAT DO YOU HAVE AGAINST HTM ARE YOU JEALOUS,CAN'T AFFORD ONE BEEN BEATEN BY ONE TO MANY TIMES YOUR BOAT DOESN'T LOOK AS GOOD AS THEM WHAT IS YOUR DEAL.

haulina29
11-07-2001, 09:33 PM
HTM we dont have to go around i did see photos of the low profile 24 in wood form but not the high side I guess its ok for some to post a opinion but not all ? The boat I saw was made by Virage but it did say HTM on the side . Atleast you know my boat!If i was to splash a boat I would splash something bad ass like a 36 spectre a real boat Latter!!!
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mrpumps HTM
11-07-2001, 10:40 PM
Originally posted by haulina29:
HTM we dont have to go around i did see photos of the low profile 24 in wood form but not the high side I guess its ok for some to post a opinion but not all ? The boat I saw was made by Virage but it did say HTM on the side . Atleast you know my boat!If i was to splash a boat I would splash something bad ass like a 36 spectre a real boat Latter!!!
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MR 29 I THINK YOU NOW UNDERSTAND.... WHY SPLASH A WARLOCK ITS A ROACH !!!!!!!!!! I THINK A 16FT BAYLINER IS YOUR SPEEEED OH YA SUPER SIZE MY DRINK TOOOOOO

racingrascal
11-07-2001, 11:36 PM
I am just wondering why HTM is the only company going throught this bullshit on Hot boat??? Is it true.....do they build a great boat/shity boat????? Why is HTM the only company deffending itself????? I have nothing against HTM but shit people always say bad things about there boats. I don't get? They say people talk about the things they hate, is this true do you guys really big shitty boats??? I rode in a 115mph boat at castiac and thougth this ****er is pretty bad asssss!!!! What gives?
Andy

Tom Slick
11-08-2001, 08:37 AM
MrPumps, you crack me up. Order me a hairy quesadilla and super size it. Who is this Haulina character anyways? Sounds like he needs a good whoopen. He needs to eather put up or shut up. I'm so sick of hearing about people ripping on HTM. Fact is everyone has a bad story or two about a boat builder. Eliminator, DCB, Warlock, Bayliner etc. are guilty of messing up once in awhile. I guess that some people just have more balls and take their problems back to the manufacture, rather than post them on this forum or bad mouth the builder on the beach. Its pussies like this Haulina guy that make boating lame. Fact is, performance boats are just that, performance boats. Your eventually are going to have some kind of problem down the line. Motor, drive, hull, etc. That's a part of it, so deal with it or go by a Zodiac pal. My HTM has been flawless since the day it was pulled out of the mold. The service that I have received from HTM has been great, and I think if you talk to other HTM owners, you will hear the same thing. Most of the crap I hear that is being slung around about HTM is by people that have absolutely no experience with an HTM. So for all of you guys that don't have anything good to say, shut the f!@# up. It would be way to easy for me to sit here and rattle off about all of the horror stories that I have heard about other manufactures, but what would be the point, except to make my self look like a DICK.
Out
Out

HTM Lady
11-08-2001, 12:57 PM
TO ALL OF THE HTM BASHERS. LET IT GO PUT THE JEALOUSY AND ENVY AWAY AND STAY OFF VALUABLE TIME. ALOT OF PEOPLE COULD LEARN ALOT WITHOUT THE CRAP. WE COULD ALL GO ON ABOUT OTHER COMPANIES BUT WHATS THE POINT. LAST I CHECKED MOST OF YOU HAVE BEEN OUT OF HIGH SCHOOL ALONG TIME. THE HTM'S RAN AWESOME IN ARIZONA . TOTALLY IMPRESSIVE TIMES AND IVE MEET ALOT OF HTM OWNERS HANGING OUT IN HAVASU AND EVERYONE IS SUPER NICE AND THEY DONT WAIST THERE TIME BASHING OTHERS. I HAVE NOW RODE IN 8 OF THESE BOATS ON HAVE LOOKED FOR FLAWS OR PROBLEMS AND HAVENT BEEN ABLE TO FIND ON YET. OTHER THAN I CANT AFFORD ONE.TO ALL OF THE HTM GUYS DONT LET THESE LOSERS GET TO YOU .THEY JUST WISH THEY HAD A BOAT LIKE YOU.

mrpumps HTM
11-08-2001, 01:03 PM
Originally posted by HTM Lady:
TO ALL OF THE HTM BASHERS. LET IT GO PUT THE JEALOUSY AND ENVY AWAY AND STAY OFF VALUABLE TIME. ALOT OF PEOPLE COULD LEARN ALOT WITHOUT THE CRAP. WE COULD ALL GO ON ABOUT OTHER COMPANIES BUT WHATS THE POINT. LAST I CHECKED MOST OF YOU HAVE BEEN OUT OF HIGH SCHOOL ALONG TIME. THE HTM'S RAN AWESOME IN ARIZONA . TOTALLY IMPRESSIVE TIMES AND IVE MEET ALOT OF HTM OWNERS HANGING OUT IN HAVASU AND EVERYONE IS SUPER NICE AND THEY DONT WAIST THERE TIME BASHING OTHERS. I HAVE NOW RODE IN 8 OF THESE BOATS ON HAVE LOOKED FOR FLAWS OR PROBLEMS AND HAVENT BEEN ABLE TO FIND ON YET. OTHER THAN I CANT AFFORD ONE.TO ALL OF THE HTM GUYS DONT LET THESE LOSERS GET TO YOU .THEY JUST WISH THEY HAD A BOAT LIKE YOU.
WE LIKE H T M LADYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

James'SS-24
11-08-2001, 03:46 PM
I too have nothing but good to say about HTM. Mine has as near perfect as any brand new machine can be. The only problem I've was the back of the ignition switch fell off but They sent me a new one. Not only that while I was ordering one up I asked about a sender to hook up the fuel presure gauge and they sent me that whithout charge too! That is what I call good customer service! My previous boat was an Advantage 21 SR. That boat (and all of the other Advantages I've seen since)are way short on quality and workmanship compared to my HTM. Plus I caught the sales people at Advantage being less than honest. Not so with Steve and his team! 29, if you can't say something constuctive or funny stay off this board and go to your job at McDonalds! http://free.***boat.net/ubb/mad.gif
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James'SS-24
11-08-2001, 03:50 PM
HTM Lady, You sound like you have good taste in boats. Did I mention I'm single. http://free.***boat.net/ubb/biggrin.gif

HTM Lady
11-08-2001, 04:31 PM
Originally posted by James'SS-24:
HTM Lady, You sound like you have good taste in boats. Did I mention I'm single. http://free.***boat.net/ubb/biggrin.gif
Thanks James. Ive road on MrPumps, Steves ,Roys not to mention others.If you want to get my attention is has to look nice and feed my need for speed. Im very spoiled and do my best to keep it that way.As far as single why is that?

HTM Lady
11-08-2001, 04:54 PM
Originally posted by mrpumps HTM:
WE LIKE H T M LADYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
So Mr.Pump, When are you going to take me for a ride again? Last I checked you were the only one who could SATISFY my need for speed. Not to mention you've got a really nice looking ride.

mrpumps HTM
11-08-2001, 05:33 PM
Originally posted by HTM Lady:
Originally posted by mrpumps HTM:
WE LIKE H T M LADYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
So Mr.Pump, When are you going to take me for a ride again? Last I checked you were the only one who could SATISFY my need for speed. Not to mention you've got a really nice looking ride.
WELL H T M LADY......... ENOUGH ABOUT ME !!!! this page is about the boats HA HA !!!!!!!!!!! just kidddding xxxxoooo ez1469
MAN HAS THE THEME GHANGED OR WHAT!!!!!!!

James'SS-24
11-08-2001, 06:00 PM
HTM lady, if you go to the HTM home page and look under new production in the pic section, my boat is the ghost flame boat. This picture was taken before it was rigged so it doesn't have the light covers or the dock strip around it yet.As far as speed I only have a 496 mag but on Havasu that's good for 80. I have plans for a supercharger, (probably a whipple). As far as being single (divorced for a year now) I have made some bad choices in life. http://free.***boat.net/ubb/rolleyes.gif But haven't we all?

HTM Lady
11-09-2001, 08:41 AM
Originally posted by James'SS-24:
HTM lady, if you go to the HTM home page and look under new production in the pic section, my boat is the ghost flame boat. This picture was taken before it was rigged so it doesn't have the light covers or the dock strip around it yet.As far as speed I only have a 496 mag but on Havasu that's good for 80. I have plans for a supercharger, (probably a whipple). As far as being single (divorced for a year now) I have made some bad choices in life. http://free.***boat.net/ubb/rolleyes.gif But haven't we all?
JAMES. I CHECKED OUT THE BOAT. NICE LOOKING. MOST OF THE HTMS ARE.BEFORE YOU GO CHANGING TO MUCH ON IT. TO GET THE SPEED CHECK WITH HTM (STEVE OR ROY ) OR MR PUMP. THE 3 OF THEM HAVE THERES RUNNING REALLY HARD AND PUTTING OUT AWESOME TIMES. LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU ON HAVASU. AS FAR AS THE BAD CHOICES, I MADE THAT SAME ONE BEFORE AND ENJOYING THE SINGLE LIFE.

HTM Racing
11-09-2001, 08:44 AM
http://free.***boat.net/ubb/biggrin.gif http://free.***boat.net/ubb/biggrin.gifTHANK YOU HTM CUSTOMERS!!!!!! http://free.***boat.net/ubb/biggrin.gif http://free.***boat.net/ubb/biggrin.gif

James'SS-24
11-09-2001, 02:08 PM
Plan on coming to Havasu sometime this winter, don't know exactly when yet but maybe I could meet up with some other HTM owners and fans. HTM lady I too am enjoying the single life! http://free.***boat.net/ubb/biggrin.gif

HTM Lady
11-09-2001, 02:18 PM
Originally posted by James'SS-24:
Plan on coming to Havasu sometime this winter, don't know exactly when yet but maybe I could meet up with some other HTM owners and fans. HTM lady I too am enjoying the single life! http://free.***boat.net/ubb/biggrin.gif
THERE SHOULD BE A FEW OUT IN HAVASU THE FIRST WEEKEND OF DECEMBER .BUT NOT A GUARANTE.I THINK ANY WEEKEND IN HAVASU HAS HTM'S ON THE WATER AND THEY ALWAYS TALK TO ONE ANOTHER. JUST AN AWESOME GROUP OF PEOPLE. ENJOY!

RiverDave2
11-09-2001, 02:30 PM
WHY SPLASH A WARLOCK ITS A ROACH !!!!!!!!!! [/B]
I wouldn't go so far as to call it a roach.. I like the looks of them, and in the couple I've been in they actually perform fairly well for a boat that size.
RD
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mrpumps HTM
11-09-2001, 04:02 PM
Originally posted by RiverDave2:
I wouldn't go so far as to call it a roach.. I like the looks of them, and in the couple I've been in they actually perform fairly well for a boat that size.
RD
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SORRY RD!!!! I WAS ON A ROLL ,THE HULL THAT WAS REFERING TO WAS A 28 CUT
DOWN TO A 24 FT THAT WILL NEVER WORK,WORLOCK IN A FINE BOAT,HOWEVER CUT DOWN(remove 4 ft)IT WILL NOT WORK (roach)...............

James'SS-24
11-11-2001, 05:33 PM
Luv my HTM http://free.***boat.net/ubb/biggrin.gif

Kwicherbichen
11-13-2001, 06:11 AM
This whole board cracks me up sometimes. I have never heard so much product bashing in my entire life. I met with a builder recently and asked him what's up with this industry and why does everyone try to steal and piss each other off so much? He didn't really have a clear answer other than to say it's always been like that. He told me he lurks here from time to time but is put off by all the bickering, bitching, and overall 12 yr old girl like fighting. It's too bad because he knows his shit (world record hulls).
Brian

HTM Lady
11-13-2001, 09:03 AM
Originally posted by Kwicherbichen:
This whole board cracks me up sometimes. I have never heard so much product bashing in my entire life. I met with a builder recently and asked him what's up with this industry and why does everyone try to steal and piss each other off so much? He didn't really have a clear answer other than to say it's always been like that. He told me he lurks here from time to time but is put off by all the bickering, bitching, and overall 12 yr old girl like fighting. It's too bad because he knows his shit (world record hulls).
Brian
Brian
Maybe you havent taken notice,but the whole HTM board came on to say they dont need to bash others and that the HTM bashers should get there information correct before opening their mouths.Our point of this board is to get correct and accurate information to people interested in HTM and for the HTM owners to chat to one another.The positive imput by the HTM people stopped the crap talk . Have A nice day!
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Catatonic
11-13-2001, 10:19 AM
Ker-smack...ouch. Quite a retort. I am a big fan of the HTM's and the folks at the factory. Incidentally, my point is to pass along this pic that I found on www.racephotos.com. (http://www.racephotos.com.) It appears to be an SR-24. Don't know if it has been doctored or not. It would make a great "what not to do in an HTM" ad. The link is: http://www.racephotos.com/PI/P05.jpg

RiverDave2
11-13-2001, 10:22 AM
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Brian
Maybe you havent taken notice,but the whole HTM board came on to say they dont need to bash others and that the HTM bashers should get there information correct before opening their mouths.Our point of this board is to get correct and accurate information to people interested in HTM and for the HTM owners to chat to one another.The positive imput by the HTM people stopped the crap talk until you came on. Have A nice day!
The whole HTM Board?
Our point of this Board?
Stopped the crap talk "UNTIL YOU CAME ON?"
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Ease up there Queen of the HTM's I don't want to be the one to break it to you, but
A. He's been here a hell of a lot longer then any of the HTM guys..
B. He just pointed out something about the Boat Industry in general not necesarrily about HTM's.
C. You gotta lighten up a little bit! Calm that "edge" down before you hurt somebodies feelings. http://free.***boat.net/ubb/biggrin.gif
If anything if you read his posts the main point of it was in fact the same point your trying to make.
Why do people Bash products without first hand knowledge?
I did my HTM bashing a while ago, AND IT WAS FROM PRODUCT KNOWLEDGE.. The first two I rode in were the equivalent of Hammered dog sh*t.. However I'm an open minded person and went for a few more rides a year or two later, and they were pretty nice! Hence why I asked HTM Racing if they changed something about the boats. Which they responded that they did.... Perhaps alot of people had similar experiences as mine, which is a tough reputation for a manufacturer to overcome. If you would have asked me 6 months ago if I would've purchased an HTM I would've said something like you couldn't pay me too. If you'd ask me now... I still say no but that becuase of personal issues not becuase of the performance or quality of the boat. (Just not my cup of tea, besides I can't see spending that much money on an HTM when almost any 21-22' Cat with twin o/b's is half the price and will blow the doors off an HTM that costs the same amount http://free.***boat.net/ubb/biggrin.gif)
RD
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mrpumps HTM
11-13-2001, 10:31 AM
Originally posted by Kwicherbichen:
This whole board cracks me up sometimes. I have never heard so much product bashing in my entire life. I met with a builder recently and asked him what's up with this industry and why does everyone try to steal and piss each other off so much? He didn't really have a clear answer other than to say it's always been like that. He told me he lurks here from time to time but is put off by all the bickering, bitching, and overall 12 yr old girl like fighting. It's too bad because he knows his shit (world record hulls).
Brian
kwicherbichen .. has a point about bashing! HOWEVER I HAVE NOT MET A UNHAPPY H T M OWNER OR ONE THATS BASHING , WE ALL KNOW WHAT WE HAVE AND ARE PROUD OF ARE (world record hulls),THIS WHY WE GET A LITTLE TIRED OF THIS SHIT ALLWAYS DEFENDING H T M ON THIS BOARD BUT WE NEVER SEE THE BASHING M F ERS AT THE LAKE IMAGINE THAT!!!( THERE BULLSHIT CANT FLOAT ).I PERSONALLY KNOW OF SEVERAL OWNERS THAT HAVE Purchaser 2 OR 3 OVER THE YEARS THEY MUST OF BEEN HAPPY. I THINK THE BASHING-BULLSHIT STOPS WHEN THE THROTTLE DROPS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

RiverDave2
11-13-2001, 10:54 AM
Mr. Pump, I'm still looking forward to that ride in your ride so to speak, but for godsakes man we gotta work on that Capslock button! (Makes you look like your yelling all the time)
RD

HTM Lady
11-13-2001, 11:24 AM
Originally posted by RiverDave2:
Brian
Maybe you havent taken notice,but the whole HTM board came on to say they dont need to bash others and that the HTM bashers should get there information correct before opening their mouths.Our point of this board is to get correct and accurate information to people interested in HTM and for the HTM owners to chat to one another.The positive imput by the HTM people stopped the crap talk until you came on. Have A nice day!
The whole HTM Board?
Our point of this Board?
Stopped the crap talk "UNTIL YOU CAME ON?"
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Ease up there Queen of the HTM's I don't want to be the one to break it to you, but
A. He's been here a hell of a lot longer then any of the HTM guys..
B. He just pointed out something about the Boat Industry in general not necesarrily about HTM's.
C. You gotta lighten up a little bit! Calm that "edge" down before you hurt somebodies feelings. http://free.***boat.net/ubb/biggrin.gif
If anything if you read his posts the main point of it was in fact the same point your trying to make.
Why do people Bash products without first hand knowledge?
I did my HTM bashing a while ago, AND IT WAS FROM PRODUCT KNOWLEDGE.. The first two I rode in were the equivalent of Hammered dog sh*t.. However I'm an open minded person and went for a few more rides a year or two later, and they were pretty nice! Hence why I asked HTM Racing if they changed something about the boats. Which they responded that they did.... Perhaps alot of people had similar experiences as mine, which is a tough reputation for a manufacturer to overcome. If you would have asked me 6 months ago if I would've purchased an HTM I would've said something like you couldn't pay me too. If you'd ask me now... I still say no but that becuase of personal issues not becuase of the performance or quality of the boat. (Just not my cup of tea, besides I can't see spending that much money on an HTM when almost any 21-22' Cat with twin o/b's is half the price and will blow the doors off an HTM that costs the same amount http://free.***boat.net/ubb/biggrin.gif)
RD
RIVERDAVE2
A & B YOU ARE CORRECT AND ITS TRUE .ITS JUST A SHAME THAT EVERYONE NEEDS TO BASH. JUST WAISTED TIME.
C.EXCUSE THE EDGE. JUST KIND OF GETTING TIRED OF THE NEGATIVE. DONT WANT TO HURT ANY FEELINGS. THANKS FOR THE INSIGHT.
D.IM GLAD YOU KEPT AN OPEN MIND AND TRIED THE HTM AGAIN. ITS TOTALLY COOL. IF THEY DONT DO IT FOR YOU THATS OK,AND GREAT THAT YOU SAY THE WAY IT HAPPENED. AS FAR AS BLOW THE DOORS OFF THE HTM. WE ALL KNOW A BOAT IS A MATTER OF PERSONAL PREFERANCE AND THE HTM WORKS FOR SOME AND NOT OTHERS.
E. SHARE MORE INFORMATION ON THE BOARD,IF YOU DONT MIND?
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mrpumps HTM
11-13-2001, 12:07 PM
Originally posted by RiverDave2:
Mr. Pump, I'm still looking forward to that ride in your ride so to speak, but for godsakes man we gotta work on that Capslock button! (Makes you look like your yelling all the time)
RD
RD... HAVASU on the 1st weekend of december ,be there or be square for you ride!!!!!!!!!! SORRY about cap lock i am a lazy typer. by the way i have no knowledge of a 21/22 ft H T M with twin outboards (APPLES 2 APPLES) butt i know of a 24sr with twin stock outborads runs 105ish + P.S. I ONCE SAW A VW RACE A ROLLSROYCE THE LESS EXPENSIVE CAR WONE BUT THE DRIVER OF THE RR STILL HADE A ROLLS.got to get back to the salt mines C U HAVE A NICE DAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

RiverDave2
11-13-2001, 12:30 PM
HTM Lady, I'm not trying to be a smart ass here, but look at the # of posts.. If I shared anymore information I'd be working for ***boat. http://free.***boat.net/ubb/biggrin.gif but since you asked for it.. http://free.***boat.net/ubb/biggrin.gif
With a pair of 300-hp Mercury outboards, Dave's Custom Boats' Mach 22 has the speed to blow away just about anything.
Guys who own boats with roaring supercharged or twin turbocharged big-blocks don't take kindly to getting passed by speedsters with screaming outboards.
If the outboards happen to be twin Mercury Hi-Performance 2.5 Drag SS motors and they're bolted to the transom of a Dave's Custom Boats Mach 22, those big-block guys won't have much choice except to go down valiantly in defeat. The Mach 22, you see, was the fastest boat at our little shindig, wringing
down the Parker strip section of the Colorado River at 124.2 mph on Stalker radar. That's six mph faster than the closest blown big-block-powered boat in our fleet.
Price as Tested
$77,605
HP as Tested
600
Top Speed
124.2 MPH
RD

RiverDave2
11-13-2001, 12:46 PM
RD... HAVASU on the 1st weekend of december ,be there or be square for you ride!!!!!!!!!! SORRY about cap lock i am a lazy typer. by the way i have no knowledge of a 21/22 ft H T M with twin outboards (APPLES 2 APPLES) butt i know of a 24sr with twin stock outborads runs 105ish + P.S. I ONCE SAW A VW RACE A ROLLSROYCE THE LESS EXPENSIVE CAR WONE BUT THE DRIVER OF THE RR STILL HADE A ROLLS.got to get back to the salt mines C U HAVE A NICE DAY!!!!!!!!!!!!![/B]
This is All in good fun right? I'm not trying to make anyone mad here particularly not the HTM racing guys, becuase all of them I've met seem cool enough to me...
Your right about the apples to apples thing, it's really not a fair comparison, but none the less it is true.
1/2 price more speed.
Rolls Royce though? C'mon now bud, Have you ever heard or Rolls Royce on a message board because someone was "Bashing" there product?
RD
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HTM Lady
11-13-2001, 01:46 PM
Originally posted by HTM Lady:
Riverdave2
No smart ass taken. Im always willing to learn something new. Thanks for the info.

mrpumps HTM
11-13-2001, 03:43 PM
Originally posted by RiverDave2:
HTM Lady, I'm not trying to be a smart ass here, but look at the # of posts.. If I shared anymore information I'd be working for ***boat. http://free.***boat.net/ubb/biggrin.gif but since you asked for it.. http://free.***boat.net/ubb/biggrin.gif
With a pair of 300-hp Mercury outboards, Dave's Custom Boats' Mach 22 has the speed to blow away just about anything.
Guys who own boats with roaring supercharged or twin turbocharged big-blocks don't take kindly to getting passed by speedsters with screaming outboards.
If the outboards happen to be twin Mercury Hi-Performance 2.5 Drag SS motors and they're bolted to the transom of a Dave's Custom Boats Mach 22, those big-block guys won't have much choice except to go down valiantly in defeat. The Mach 22, you see, was the fastest boat at our little shindig, wringing
down the Parker strip section of the Colorado River at 124.2 mph on Stalker radar. That's six mph faster than the closest blown big-block-powered boat in our fleet.
Price as Tested
$77,605
HP as Tested
600
Top Speed
124.2 MPH
RD
RD that sounds great 124.2 with 2 factory race outborads ,what happend to a stock deal,how long did it take to get to 124ish ,there is a lot of variables HP TO LBs
at castaic last sat we blastad on GPS WITH ONLY ONE OF THOSE ROARING SUPERCHARGED MOTORS A 137MPH @only 6300 rpm still had engine but no more lake did not even see an outboard boat (TOTAL COST OF THIS BOAT IS $90,000.00 ish) LETS SEE$ 90,00.00-$77,600.00 =not exactley 1/2 LETS C $12,400(P.S.RD i used to race outboard class and i love them,owned 3 outboard boats,still have 1 for sale, outboard boats tend to be much lighter ,because the typicaly do not have the torque ,real weight sensitive.a H T M is a large 24FT not exactly light boat,i will bet that 22 dcb is about 1000lb lighter?RD what type of boat do u own .cant wait 2 take u for a test ride. talk 2 u later.

RiverDave2
11-13-2001, 04:05 PM
Mr.Pump, I'm just messin with ya... don't get all upset. Your right the DCB is fairly pricey with twins at 74K...
How about a 21' Liberator with Twins right around 50K (just about 1/2 price) and that will be right at the 120mph in the 1/4 mile! http://free.***boat.net/ubb/biggrin.gif (Not full blown race motors either I might add, just a couple of 2.5's "slightly modified")
As far as what kind of boat do I drive?
http://home.socal.rr.com/boatbutts/RD003.jpg
Some call it "Da Good Kind"
http://home.socal.rr.com/boatbutts/RD004.jpg
I call it "Da B*tch Magnet"
http://home.socal.rr.com/boatbutts/RD002.jpg
And right about that far away is when you feel your clothes start to vibrate from the stereo. http://free.***boat.net/ubb/biggrin.gif and it ain't "Frumpy Lookin."
RD
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SVO 540
11-13-2001, 04:39 PM
mrpumps HTM, You have one impressive HTM. 137mph and still climbing...WOW. If you don't mind, I would like to know some more about your HTM. Specifically,
1. You cubic inch
2. Blower size, max boost and overdrive %
3. Hyd. or solid cam, profile if you have it
4. type of heads
5. how much HP
6. type of outdrive
7. Prop pitch and gear ratio
8. Ever calculated your slip %
It seems to me that you could reset the unofficial single engine cat speed record of 143mph, which was set by an HTM. What do you think?
I would love to blast down the river side by side with you at 100+ sometime.
See Ya.

mrpumps HTM
11-13-2001, 04:54 PM
Originally posted by RiverDave2:
Mr.Pump, I'm just messin with ya... don't get all upset. Your right the DCB is fairly pricey with twins at 74K...
How about a 21' Liberator with Twins right around 50K (just about 1/2 price) and that will be right at the 120mph in the 1/4 mile! http://free.***boat.net/ubb/biggrin.gif (Not full blown race motors either I might add, just a couple of 2.5's "slightly modified")
As far as what kind of boat do I drive?
http://home.socal.rr.com/boatbutts/RD003.jpg
Some call it "Da Good Kind"
http://home.socal.rr.com/boatbutts/RD004.jpg
I call it "Da B*tch Magnet"
http://home.socal.rr.com/boatbutts/RD002.jpg
And right about that far away is when you feel your clothes start to vibrate from the stereo. http://free.***boat.net/ubb/biggrin.gif and it ain't "Frumpy Lookin."
RD
[This message has been edited by RiverDave2 (edited November 13, 2001).]
RD DUDE SWEET RIDE&CUTE PUPPY OH YA THE CHICKS ARE HOT 2.............WHATS UP WITH THAT WATER ITS GREEEEEEEEEEEN GOT BAG ON SOMETHING!!!!!U KNOW HTM PEOPLE, just kidding not to worry just having some fun PS WHAT IS A LIBERATOR????????? send pic LATE

RiverDave2
11-13-2001, 04:54 PM
at castaic last sat we blastad on GPS WITH ONLY ONE OF THOSE ROARING SUPERCHARGED MOTORS A 137MPH @only 6300 rpm still had engine but no more lake did not even see an outboard boat (TOTAL COST OF THIS BOAT IS $90,000.00 ish) LETS SEE$
Hold on bud.. gotta do some research.. (Papa always said, don't argue a point without the facts!)
"BIG SUCKER MARINE TOLD ME" (Actual HTM Dealer.)
90 MPH - Carbuerated 565 - 625 hp low 90's = 73,750$$ motor, 18K upgrade Which by the way puts the base motor package in my mind at a WHOPPING TOTAL OF 55,750 for a baseline HTM.. (Pretty Damed Expensive if you ask me..)
120 MPH - 1000hp = 92K (Gauranteed 120mph)
Now let's tack on another 17mph... I think your 90K ish just turned into more like 100K ish... Probably more like 105 - 110Kish... http://free.***boat.net/ubb/biggrin.gif
56K (I round up) for a baseline HTM that we'll say runs around what 60-65mph?
VS
55Kish (as you like to say) for a 128mph liberator with Twin O/B's OOOORRRRR...
A 22.6 Nordic for 55K that'll do 72mph and well..... We don't want to get into the aesthetics department....
Movie Quote time for Havasu Hangin over there... "Don't mess with the bull son you'll get the horns." How many movies can you think of? I got two already. http://free.***boat.net/ubb/biggrin.gif
I swear to god I kill myself on these boards.. Either that or MR.Pump really will Kill me when we go for a ride!! http://free.***boat.net/ubb/biggrin.gif If you put on a lifeline jacket or anything I'm gettin outta the boat!
MrPump, I'm just joking with ya.. I hope you realize that.. Don't take it personal, I wouldn't joke if I didn't like ya. I think it's great what you guys are doing with the racing etc... and overall I think there nice boats..
RD
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mrpumps HTM
11-13-2001, 04:56 PM
Originally posted by RiverDave2:
Mr.Pump, I'm just messin with ya... don't get all upset. Your right the DCB is fairly pricey with twins at 74K...
How about a 21' Liberator with Twins right around 50K (just about 1/2 price) and that will be right at the 120mph in the 1/4 mile! http://free.***boat.net/ubb/biggrin.gif (Not full blown race motors either I might add, just a couple of 2.5's "slightly modified")
As far as what kind of boat do I drive?
http://home.socal.rr.com/boatbutts/RD003.jpg
Some call it "Da Good Kind"
http://home.socal.rr.com/boatbutts/RD004.jpg
I call it "Da B*tch Magnet"
http://home.socal.rr.com/boatbutts/RD002.jpg
And right about that far away is when you feel your clothes start to vibrate from the stereo. http://free.***boat.net/ubb/biggrin.gif and it ain't "Frumpy Lookin."
RD
[This message has been edited by RiverDave2 (edited November 13, 2001).]
RD DUDE SWEET RIDE&CUTE PUPPY OH YA THE CHICKS ARE HOT 2.............WHATS UP WITH THAT WATER ITS GREEEEEEEEEEEN GOT BAG ON SOMETHING!!!!!U KNOW HTM PEOPLE, just kidding not to worry just having some fun PS WHAT IS A LIBERATOR????????? IN OUTBOARD LAND 2 MOTORS IS TOTAL FULL RACE send pic LATE

RiverDave2
11-13-2001, 05:07 PM
Originally posted by mrpumps HTM:
RD DUDE SWEET RIDE&CUTE PUPPY OH YA THE CHICKS ARE HOT 2.............WHATS UP WITH THAT WATER ITS GREEEEEEEEEEEN GOT BAG ON SOMETHING!!!!!U KNOW HTM PEOPLE, just kidding not to worry just having some fun PS WHAT IS A LIBERATOR????????? send pic LATE
Those pics were taken in Lake Havasu, about a month ago... I'll post up some pics of a liberator for you shortly..
Once again, I hope you don't take this stuff personally, I was just "Funnin Ya." I know plenty of people with HTM's that swear by them.
However after I get my Liberator, I'll be "Gunnin For Ya!" http://free.***boat.net/ubb/biggrin.gif
RD

mrpumps HTM
11-13-2001, 05:13 PM
Originally posted by SVO 540:
mrpumps HTM, You have one impressive HTM. 137mph and still climbing...WOW. If you don't mind, I would like to know some more about your HTM. Specifically,
1. You cubic inch
2. Blower size, max boost and overdrive %
3. Hyd. or solid cam, profile if you have it
4. type of heads
5. how much HP
6. type of outdrive
7. Prop pitch and gear ratio
8. Ever calculated your slip %
It seems to me that you could reset the unofficial single engine cat speed record of 143mph, which was set by an HTM. What do you think?
I would love to blast down the river side by side with you at 100+ sometime.
See Ya.
SVO 540 THAT BOAT WAS NOT MY HTM BUT A BUDS ,SS24HTM,1000 ISH HP 9lbs boost ,565ci htm roots type blower,33ISH PROP,6300 RPM, DRIVE XR i think 124 & his old boat ran that 143 mph

RiverDave2
11-13-2001, 05:13 PM
This is a 21 Liberator with Twins.. Kinda Similar to what I'm building (except I'm doing a few things different http://free.***boat.net/ubb/wink.gif ) and a much different Gel Coat..
http://preowned-boats.net/ELIM_21RT_SIDE.jpg
Dam I love that picture below..
http://preowned-boats.net/ELIM_ENG.jpg
And I'll definately puttin in Da nice gauges.. (West Coast Style baby..)
http://preowned-boats.net/ELIM21_DASH.jpg
RD

mrpumps HTM
11-13-2001, 05:21 PM
Originally posted by RiverDave2:
Hold on bud.. gotta do some research.. (Papa always said, don't argue a point without the facts!)
"BIG SUCKER MARINE TOLD ME" (Actual HTM Dealer.)
90 MPH - Carbuerated 565 - 625 hp low 90's = 73,750$$ motor, 18K upgrade Which by the way puts the base motor package in my mind at a WHOPPING TOTAL OF 55,750 for a baseline HTM.. (Pretty Damed Expensive if you ask me..)
120 MPH - 1000hp = 92K (Gauranteed 120mph)
Now let's tack on another 17mph... I think your 90K ish just turned into more like 100K ish... Probably more like 105 - 110Kish... http://free.***boat.net/ubb/biggrin.gif
56K (I round up) for a baseline HTM that we'll say runs around what 60-65mph?
VS
55Kish (as you like to say) for a 128mph liberator with Twin O/B's OOOORRRRR...
A 22.6 Nordic for 55K that'll do 72mph and well..... We don't want to get into the aesthetics department....
Movie Quote time for Havasu Hangin over there... "Don't mess with the bull son you'll get the horns." How many movies can you think of? I got two already. http://free.***boat.net/ubb/biggrin.gif
I swear to god I kill myself on these boards.. Either that or MR.Pump really will Kill me when we go for a ride!! http://free.***boat.net/ubb/biggrin.gif If you put on a lifeline jacket or anything I'm gettin outta the boat!
MrPump, I'm just joking with ya.. I hope you realize that.. Don't take it personal, I wouldn't joke if I didn't like ya. I think it's great what you guys are doing with the racing etc... and overall I think there nice boats..
RD
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RD ITS ALL GOOD .....i think base price on a htm is about $45,000.00 ,LESS ENGINE,$30,000.00 4 a killer motor &$8000.00 for a drive then get it wetttttttttttttt

mrpumps HTM
11-13-2001, 05:35 PM
Originally posted by RiverDave2:
This is a 21 Liberator with Twins.. Kinda Similar to what I'm building (except I'm doing a few things different http://free.***boat.net/ubb/wink.gif ) and a much different Gel Coat..
http://preowned-boats.net/ELIM_21RT_SIDE.jpg
Dam I love that picture below..
http://preowned-boats.net/ELIM_ENG.jpg
And I'll definately puttin in Da nice gauges.. (West Coast Style baby..)
http://preowned-boats.net/ELIM21_DASH.jpg
RD
RD THAT LIBERATOR DAMM NICE TOY,LIKE I SAID I LOVE OUTBOARDS,LOOKS LIKE 600HP ON A POTATO CHIP ILL BET THATS A WILD RIDE GO BABY GO . OH YA ILL BE EASY ON YOU I JUST TONED IT DOWN its a FAMILY BOAT NOW!!!! shit caps again sorry..................

HTM Racing
11-13-2001, 06:31 PM
Thanks, Glad you liked the boat, there is sadly alot of bad spirted people out there. Do you remember in high school when a teacher put everyone in a big circle, then told the first person a simple sentance. By the time it got to the end of the circle you could not make heaads or tails of the sentance. We are the new guys, so we are like the freshman of the school, who does everyone pick on....
Originally posted by racingrascal:
I am just wondering why HTM is the only company going throught this bullshit on Hot boat??? Is it true.....do they build a great boat/shity boat????? Why is HTM the only company deffending itself????? I have nothing against HTM but shit people always say bad things about there boats. I don't get? They say people talk about the things they hate, is this true do you guys really big shitty boats??? I rode in a 115mph boat at castiac and thougth this ****er is pretty bad asssss!!!! What gives?
Andy

HTM Racing
11-13-2001, 06:36 PM
WOW, I leave for a day and everyone has been busy. Thank You for seeing more than one side. http://free.***boat.net/ubb/biggrin.gif
Originally posted by Kwicherbichen:
This whole board cracks me up sometimes. I have never heard so much product bashing in my entire life. I met with a builder recently and asked him what's up with this industry and why does everyone try to steal and piss each other off so much? He didn't really have a clear answer other than to say it's always been like that. He told me he lurks here from time to time but is put off by all the bickering, bitching, and overall 12 yr old girl like fighting. It's too bad because he knows his shit (world record hulls).
Brian

HTM Racing
11-13-2001, 06:48 PM
http://free.***boat.net/ubb/biggrin.gif http://free.***boat.net/ubb/biggrin.gif Hi River Dave, http://free.***boat.net/ubb/biggrin.gif http://free.***boat.net/ubb/biggrin.gif
Thanks for giving the second look.. If another manufacturers very first boats built were out on the market for resale I bet they are not the same as they make today.
Thank you for comming back and setting the record straight. It's O.K. you like other boats, if everyone liked the same thing life would sure be dull.
Originally posted by RiverDave2:
Brian
Maybe you havent taken notice,but the whole HTM board came on to say they dont need to bash others and that the HTM bashers should get there information correct before opening their mouths.Our point of this board is to get correct and accurate information to people interested in HTM and for the HTM owners to chat to one another.The positive imput by the HTM people stopped the crap talk until you came on. Have A nice day!
The whole HTM Board?
Our point of this Board?
Stopped the crap talk "UNTIL YOU CAME ON?"
[/QUOTE]
Ease up there Queen of the HTM's I don't want to be the one to break it to you, but
A. He's been here a hell of a lot longer then any of the HTM guys..
B. He just pointed out something about the Boat Industry in general not necesarrily about HTM's.
C. You gotta lighten up a little bit! Calm that "edge" down before you hurt somebodies feelings. http://free.***boat.net/ubb/biggrin.gif
If anything if you read his posts the main point of it was in fact the same point your trying to make.
Why do people Bash products without first hand knowledge?
I did my HTM bashing a while ago, AND IT WAS FROM PRODUCT KNOWLEDGE.. The first two I rode in were the equivalent of Hammered dog sh*t.. However I'm an open minded person and went for a few more rides a year or two later, and they were pretty nice! Hence why I asked HTM Racing if they changed something about the boats. Which they responded that they did.... Perhaps alot of people had similar experiences as mine, which is a tough reputation for a manufacturer to overcome. If you would have asked me 6 months ago if I would've purchased an HTM I would've said something like you couldn't pay me too. If you'd ask me now... I still say no but that becuase of personal issues not becuase of the performance or quality of the boat. (Just not my cup of tea, besides I can't see spending that much money on an HTM when almost any 21-22' Cat with twin o/b's is half the price and will blow the doors off an HTM that costs the same amount http://free.***boat.net/ubb/biggrin.gif)
RD
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Chet 17
11-13-2001, 06:57 PM
RD, Whats up bud,
now now now You load up the liverator with 5 people and I'll load up my HTM with the same amount plus a 50 pack of silvers on Ice and we'll take a little jount from the Island to the Dam and back and We'll probably have 42 coldies left for you when you get there, Im only allowing two coldies per guest while I'm driving the rig, I dont want to make too many stops, Lets say we make it in the middle of the day so we can get all the big chop, that always makes it more interesting, I'm sure theres a few of the bigger cats that would love some of that action, probably hold more silvers too.....
Let me know? I'm sure pumps would be in for the fun, what do you say Mr Pumps?
Good luck on the project, (Liberator)

HTM Racing
11-13-2001, 07:04 PM
Originally posted by HTM Racing:
Thanks, Glad you liked the boat, there is sadly alot of bad spirted people out there. Do you remember in high school when a teacher put everyone in a big circle, then told the first person a simple sentence. By the time it got to the end of the circle you could not make heads or tails of the sentence. We are the new guys, so we are like the freshman of the school, who does everyone pick on....

FastCats
11-13-2001, 07:13 PM
Hey RD,
If the chop gets too big for you, you can come ride with me, my boat loves big chop!
Scott

RiverDave2
11-13-2001, 08:07 PM
Originally posted by Chet 17:
RD, Whats up bud,
now now now You load up the liverator with 5 people and I'll load up my HTM with the same amount plus a 50 pack of silvers on Ice and we'll take a little jount from the Island to the Dam and back and We'll probably have 42 coldies left for you when you get there, Im only allowing two coldies per guest while I'm driving the rig, I dont want to make too many stops, Lets say we make it in the middle of the day so we can get all the big chop, that always makes it more interesting, I'm sure theres a few of the bigger cats that would love some of that action, probably hold more silvers too.....
Let me know? I'm sure pumps would be in for the fun, what do you say Mr Pumps?
Good luck on the project, (Liberator)
Liverator eh?? Well I can take a joke as well as anyone, however if you have 42 silvers left over either your partying with a group of panzi's or your boat is "super duper fast" which I guess is what you wanted me to believe.... However, Being that I ain't sitting in the back of my own boat I don't much care how comfortable it is just shut up and hold on right? However, I'm willing to do that.. Granted my boat isn't done yet, but I happen to know a guy with a Liverator as you put it with a single little 300x on it... What do you say we make it from Topok To Parker Dam and back? What kind of crew will you be rolling with?? Becuase I can almost garauntee by the time you get there we'll be off getting MORE BEER!
http://wsphotofews.excite.com/013/Uz/zu/uF/9368031.jpg
In the back of a "liverator" even... Think your HIGH TROUBLE MARINE is up to iT?? http://free.***boat.net/ubb/biggrin.gif
(Just a little ribbin guys)
RD
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Chet 17
11-13-2001, 08:47 PM
Wow, now your talkin, I was being considerate of your internal organs and others, I know what a beating my liver took on the water, not since upgrading to the cat and length and freeboard, things are smoother at speed..
Plus wifey likes it much better, and that makes everything alot easier....
Late
Chet

Kwicherbichen
11-14-2001, 03:33 AM
Originally posted by HTM Lady:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Kwicherbichen:
[b]This whole board cracks me up sometimes. I have never heard so much product bashing in my entire life. I met with a builder recently and asked him what's up with this industry and why does everyone try to steal and piss each other off so much? He didn't really have a clear answer other than to say it's always been like that. He told me he lurks here from time to time but is put off by all the bickering, bitching, and overall 12 yr old girl like fighting. It's too bad because he knows his shit (world record hulls).
Brian
Brian
Maybe you havent taken notice,but the whole HTM board came on to say they dont need to bash others and that the HTM bashers should get there information correct before opening their mouths.Our point of this board is to get correct and accurate information to people interested in HTM and for the HTM owners to chat to one another.The positive imput by the HTM people stopped the crap talk . Have A nice day!
HTM Lady,
I'm glad the HTM company came on to defend its interest. I'm not certain if you were trying to be edgy with me or not. The first time I read your reply I thought so but, after reading it again it just looks like you were tired of the b.s.
My comment / observation was about posts in general and not this HTM thread specifically. It just happened to be on this thread. I have been on the Hot Boat board for awhile now (roughly 101 post as "Kwicherbichen" and 169 as "Riverlover") and although most of the post are sedate, fun, and informative there are some a-holes that start shit with no evidence. Maybe, although I doubt it will happen, fellow board members will disregard anything that is not founded by evidence.
A few months back there was some dipshit that got on the board and complained about manufacture "H". After several hundred post all we discovered is that the guy that started the thread was probably giving us a hand-job.
I guess the best advice to bashers should be: if you're not happy with your purchase take it up with the manufacture. If that doesn't work, hire a shark (attorney). Document it well, then post for us to see. Otherwise, shut-the-f*ck-up.
On another note, thanks RD for covering my back my OP6 brother.
Brian
Oh yea, have a nice day
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FastCats
11-14-2001, 05:57 AM
KWB is right, if there is a problem, regardless of the manufacturer, have a talk with them, don't come in with guns blazing though. When you buy a boat, you are also buying into a relationship, treat it as such and give the other side a chance to make the situation right. Unlike automobiles, when you never really talk to the factory, most all of us can contact the factory and reach an authority of the company and get decisions made rather rapidly.
I too, think that the bashing without warrant should stop. I would also like to see some of the boasting lay off a little bit as there are some that can do a better job of backing up their numbers than others. One thing that I have learned is that there is always someone out there that is faster than you!
HTM builds a nice boat. So do many other MFGs. We gotta all learn to get along!
Scott

HTM Lady
11-14-2001, 08:49 AM
Originally posted by Kwicherbichen:
HTM Lady,
I'm glad the HTM company came on to defend its interest. I'm not certain if you were trying to be edgy with me or not. The first time I read your reply I thought so but, after reading it again it just looks like you were tired of the b.s.
My comment / observation was about posts in general and not this HTM thread specifically. It just happened to be on this thread. I have been on the Hot Boat board for awhile now (roughly 101 post as "Kwicherbichen" and 169 as "Riverlover") and although most of the post are sedate, fun, and informative there are some a-holes that start shit with no evidence. Maybe, although I doubt it will happen, fellow board members will disregard anything that is not founded by evidence.
A few months back there was some dipshit that got on the board and complained about manufacture "H". After several hundred post all we discovered is that the guy that started the thread was probably giving us a hand-job.
I guess the best advice to bashers should be: if you're not happy with your purchase take it up with the manufacture. If that doesn't work, hire a shark (attorney). Document it well, then post for us to see. Otherwise, shut-the-f*ck-up.
On another note, thanks RD for covering my back my OP6 brother.
Brian
Oh yea, have a nice day
Brian,
You guessed right, Not trying to be edgy. Just tired of the bs. Its really great that the people on now are sharing information and photos. There even seems to be some joking. Thats the way it should be. Not everyone is going to have the same opinion about any boat,just like cars,but yes a boat purchase is just like an auto its a relationship with the dealer. People need to keep their dirty laundry to them selves. Alot of times they change the story/truth to try and make themselves feel or look better and that helps no one. Keep up the positive imput and maybe we can get these posts straightened out.
Have a Great Day!
[This message has been edited by Kwicherbichen (edited November 14, 2001).]

kab
11-14-2001, 09:08 AM
Riverdave, Hey bud hows everything? I would have sold you my DCB Mach 22 for 50,000. It is a way better boat than the liberator, and I know from experience it can beat up on a few HTM's that frequent Parker

RiverDave2
11-14-2001, 09:17 AM
KAB, HOW'S IT GOING BUD?? It's been a while.. Did ya get your 26 yet?
As far as the Liberator DCB deal, I'd have to agree with you (for now. http://free.***boat.net/ubb/biggrin.gif) There are some things about to happen as far as Liberator is concerned.. I can't talk about it at the present time, but I can say that at the end of the day I know for a fact the "rigging" will be equal too... well ya know.. As far as Hull Design etc.. They don't have as much room in them, but it is a "faster" hull near as I can tell. Or actually I should say from the performance data that I've seen.
RD

RiverDave2
11-14-2001, 09:40 AM
Originally posted by FastCats:
Hey RD,
If the chop gets too big for you, you can come ride with me, my boat loves big chop!
Scott
Thanks Scott I appreciate that!! And I fully intend on taking you up on that next season!! Maybe even at the end of this year if you can make it out here!
Chet... I think I'll be fine in the rough stuff. I have alot of friends running big boats so I'm not to worried about it..
On that note I'm not sure how many of you guys like Water Ski Racing, but the Catalina race is going to be on Speed Vision Tonight!!
Look for my buddy running a solid White 38' Formula (I'm sure there'll be stickers all over it) and it will say Lyall Turbosonics across the back... 10pm Eastern, and 7 & 11 pm pacific..
RD

kab
11-14-2001, 01:51 PM
Riverdave- I picked up the 26 a few weeks ago, heading back out to parker the end of november. The liberator should be faster than the mach 22 with equal power, its smaller. I dont know what you have up your sleeve, but I'm sure its good. I definitely want a ride if you get it.

RiverDave2
11-14-2001, 02:14 PM
A ride?? Sh*t bud you know more about driving twins then I do... How about I slide on over to the passenger seat and you can drive! http://free.***boat.net/ubb/biggrin.gif
RD

HTMCHARLIE
11-14-2001, 05:41 PM
Originally posted by RiverDave2:
A ride?? Sh*t bud you know more about driving twins then I do... How about I slide on over to the passenger seat and you can drive! http://free.***boat.net/ubb/biggrin.gif
RD
HEY RIVERDAVE YOU SHOULD TALK TO MRPUMP HES IN TO OUTBOARDS BIG TIME HE HAD A TWENTY FOOT OUTBOARD THAT RAN 120 MILES PER HOUR WITH ONE BIG A$$ CLAMP ON THING ON THE BACK IT WAS LIKE 400 HORSEPOWER ON A KITE I THINK IT WAS A LAVEY CRAFT BOAT ANYWAY THAT LIBERATOR LOOKS BAD A$$.

RiverDave2
11-15-2001, 09:30 AM
WHY ARE ALL THE HTM GUYS YELLING ALL THE TIME!!!!!! We really gotta work on that caps lock guys. http://free.***boat.net/ubb/biggrin.gif Mr.Pumps was telling me about his o/b a little bit in this thread..
Mr.Pump, why do they call you Mr.pump?
RD

HTM Lady
11-15-2001, 10:06 AM
Originally posted by RiverDave2:
WHY ARE ALL THE HTM GUYS YELLING ALL THE TIME!!!!!! We really gotta work on that caps lock guys. http://free.***boat.net/ubb/biggrin.gif Mr.Pumps was telling me about his o/b a little bit in this thread..
Mr.Pump, why do they call you Mr.pump?
RD
RiverDave,
He's called that for a variety of reasons. I dont think all of us have the same one. I let you figure out what you think the reason is.So why do they call you RiverDave?

rivercrazy
11-15-2001, 10:09 AM
Didn't you know? He owns the river (Parker at least). hehe

RiverDave2
11-15-2001, 12:15 PM
HTMLady, if you want to know why people call me RiverDave I'll tell you the story...
Out at the River most people call me Johnson. which has absolutely nothing to do with RiverDave.. However I was at work bored to tears a long, long time ago (approximately... I dunno ask HBJet he has taken it upon himself to collect RD stats. I feel like such a ***** now.. http://free.***boat.net/ubb/biggrin.gif ) but in any event back to what I was saying.. A long long time ago, I found ***boat.net by accident. And for the first week or so I just cruised by and checked out the pictures. One day I saw the little button that said forums, and I thought to myself "I wonder what the hell that is." I cruised on in here and read some posts and within 15-20 minutes I knew I had found home... Finally saw something that interested me and I had a decent "politically correct" response too so I needed a name. I thought I might post on this thing about once a month so I figured it wouldn't be that important what the name was.. I.E. RiverDave came to my head so I registered and now everyone has been calling me RiverDave ever since.. The name kinda stuck so why bother changin it?
I'm known for being a post *****, (I.E. a guy that posts way too much for his own good)
AS well as these incredibly long winded posts that I like to write for no other reason then self entertainment.. http://free.***boat.net/ubb/biggrin.gif
Then a couple of other little things like (under my breath) OP6, and throwing parties and BBQ's for people on this board and well ya know.. 12"
How's about you HTMLady? How did ya get the name? Own an HTM? Have a buddy that owns one whats the dealio?
RD

mrpumps HTM
11-15-2001, 12:18 PM
Originally posted by RiverDave2:
WHY ARE ALL THE HTM GUYS YELLING ALL THE TIME!!!!!! We really gotta work on that caps lock guys. http://free.***boat.net/ubb/biggrin.gif Mr.Pumps was telling me about his o/b a little bit in this thread..
Mr.Pump, why do they call you Mr.pump?
RD
RD Maybe i like to PUMP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

HTM Lady
11-15-2001, 01:06 PM
Originally posted by rivercrazy:
Didn't you know? He owns the river (Parker at least). hehe
Riverdave,
The HTM Lady came from the HTM being by boat of choice, hanging out with a group of HTM guys and yes a favorite buddy who owns a bad ass HTM.

RiverDave2
11-15-2001, 02:53 PM
Pump What?
Just curious again... Not trying to start any trouble here.
RD

mrpumps HTM
11-15-2001, 03:59 PM
Originally posted by RiverDave2:
Pump What?
Just curious again... Not trying to start any trouble here.
RD
WHATEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! MR.PUMP is a Concrete Pumping Co in SANTA CLARITA

mrpumps HTM
11-15-2001, 04:07 PM
Originally posted by RiverDave2:
Pump What?
Just curious again... Not trying to start any trouble here.
RD
RD are you going to make the havasu trip DEC1 &when is the OP6 thing let me know.

RiverDave2
11-15-2001, 05:04 PM
Man you asked me two questions and I don't have an answer for either one of them...
Dec 1st, I'm not sure of yet.
OP6 I'm not sure of either... The next "EVENT" will be Marce-June, somewhere in there is what I'm figuring.. I've been doing so much work on the Barney Report forums I got a little sidetracked. However there's still plenty of time for me to organize it, so I'm not to worried about it..
www.op6cl.com (http://www.op6cl.com) click message board..
RD

RiverDave2
11-15-2001, 05:07 PM
BTW that's an impressive looking rig you got there...
http://www.havasubarney.com/genesis/web_pages/images/riverdave/MrPump1.JPG
I dig the blower setup on this HTM as well (I can't remember if this is yours or your buddies.)
http://www.havasubarney.com/genesis/web_pages/images/riverdave/Blower1.JPG
I'll post some pics of you guys in the water later...
RD

RiverDave2
11-15-2001, 05:20 PM
Here ya go....
http://www.havasubarney.com/genesis/web_pages/images/riverdave/HTMBack2.JPG
http://www.havasubarney.com/genesis/web_pages/images/riverdave/HTMBacking1.jpg
http://www.havasubarney.com/genesis/web_pages/images/riverdave/HTMs.JPG
http://www.havasubarney.com/genesis/web_pages/images/riverdave/Htms3.jpg
That's all the HTM pictures that I have from Firebird. I wish I had some knowledge of photoshop or something becuase I got one crazy shot of a launch but I don't know how to "zoom in" on one section of the photo..
http://www.havasubarney.com/genesis/web_pages/images/riverdave/CrazyLaunch.jpg
Anyone help me out on that?? I'd like to use that on on the website.. I will probably use the second HTM picture as well.. http://free.***boat.net/ubb/smile.gif
RD

mrpumps HTM
11-15-2001, 05:22 PM
Originally posted by RiverDave2:
BTW that's an impressive looking rig you got there...
http://www.havasubarney.com/genesis/web_pages/images/riverdave/MrPump1.JPG
I dig the blower setup on this HTM as well (I can't remember if this is yours or your buddies.)
http://www.havasubarney.com/genesis/web_pages/images/riverdave/Blower1.JPG
I'll post some pics of you guys in the water later...
RD
RD THANKS ...DAMM I LIKE THAT BOAT , MY LITTLE 283 CHEVY DONT LOOK HALF BAD,I DID NOT HAVE TIME FOR PIC THANKS GOOD JOB

RiverDave2
11-15-2001, 06:36 PM
283??
RD
[This message has been edited by RiverDave2 (edited November 15, 2001).]

Havasu Hangin'
11-15-2001, 06:44 PM
Originally posted by RiverDave2:
283??
Maybe each bank....
http://www.websitemonster.com/images/pimp.gif

mrpumps HTM
11-15-2001, 08:03 PM
Originally posted by Havasu Hangin':
Maybe each bank....
http://www.websitemonster.com/images/pimp.gif
10/4 HAVASU HANGIN EACH BANK!!!!!!!!!!!!

Chet 17
11-15-2001, 08:17 PM
Mr Pumps, Is this the rig that Donnie originally built a big chief for and then you went back and had Ken build you a 565"??
Back in may or june???????
Late
Chet

HTMCHARLIE
11-15-2001, 08:48 PM
Originally posted by Chet 17:
Mr Pumps, Is this the rig that Donnie originally built a big chief for and then you went back and had Ken build you a 565"??
Back in may or june???????
Late
Chet
YEAH CHET THAT IS THE MOTOR THAT DONNIE BUILT THE ONE THAT KEN IS BUILDING IS STILL IN THE PARTS LOCATION.

Craig
11-16-2001, 07:39 AM
I have a couple of good pics of the boats running down the track that weekend. I scanned them, but don't know how to post them, they're not on the web. If anyone can post them, I'll e-mail them to ya'!
Craig

Craig
11-16-2001, 07:52 AM
I have a couple of good pics of the boats running down the track that weekend. I scanned them, but don't know how to post them, they're not on the web. If anyone can post them, I'll e-mail them to ya'!
Craig

RiverDave2
11-16-2001, 08:23 AM
Crag feel free to e-mail them to me and I'll post them for ya.
RD

RiverDave2
11-16-2001, 11:18 AM
A pic from Mr.Pump Looks like HTM Lady in the rearview.. http://free.***boat.net/ubb/biggrin.gif
http://www.havasubarney.com/genesis/web_pages/images/riverdave/HTMLadyback.jpg
RD

HTM Lady
11-16-2001, 01:38 PM
Originally posted by RiverDave2:
A pic from Mr.Pump Looks like HTM Lady in the rearview.. :D
http://www.havasubarney.com/genesis/web_pages/images/riverdave/HTMLadyback.jpg
RD
Thanks RiverDave, Not exactly my best side.Thats Steve and I discussing the 9 he pulled in at Phoenix.Who caught the mirror photo Im not sure of. I guess I need to pay more attention.

RiverDave2
11-16-2001, 05:23 PM
Wait just a minute... a couple of more pics from firewater!! Courtesy of our man Craig. http://free.***boat.net/ubb/smile.gif
I'm not sure who owns this boat, but he should consider taking off the spoiler.. (Just my opinion)
http://www.havasubarney.com/genesis/web_pages/images/riverdave/HTM2.jpg
Da Mr. Pump, Pumpin dat bad boy for all she's worth down the track! http://free.***boat.net/ubb/smile.gif
http://www.havasubarney.com/genesis/web_pages/images/riverdave/MRPump1.jpg
A little Outdrive action for y'all..
http://www.havasubarney.com/genesis/web_pages/images/riverdave/External.jpg
RD

Hustler
11-16-2001, 11:33 PM
Nice job on the pic's RD
Hustler

Infomaniac
11-18-2001, 01:01 PM
RD: E-mail me whatever pics you want edited and I will take care of it. I can send you Photoshop also if you need it.

HTM Lady
11-20-2001, 02:16 PM
Originally posted by mrpumps HTM:
Originally posted by RiverDave2:
WHY ARE ALL THE HTM GUYS YELLING ALL THE TIME!!!!!! We really gotta work on that caps lock guys. http://free.***boat.net/ubb/biggrin.gif Mr.Pumps was telling me about his o/b a little bit in this thread..
Mr.Pump, why do they call you Mr.pump?
MrPump,
you need to check out havasubarney.com they have some cool stuff from firebird.Not to mention hes a positive for the HTMs. Check it out when you have time
RD
RD Maybe i like to PUMP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

HTM Lady
11-20-2001, 02:18 PM
Originally posted by HTMCHARLIE:
YEAH CHET THAT IS THE MOTOR THAT DONNIE BUILT THE ONE THAT KEN IS BUILDING IS STILL IN THE PARTS LOCATION.
HTM Charlie,
are you going to do to Havasu on Dec 1st for the lighted boat parade? I plan on being there. Maybe I will see you

mrpumps HTM
11-20-2001, 03:26 PM
Originally posted by HTM Lady:
Originally posted by HTMCHARLIE:
YEAH CHET THAT IS THE MOTOR THAT DONNIE BUILT THE ONE THAT KEN IS BUILDING IS STILL IN THE PARTS LOCATION.
HTM Charlie,
are you going to do to Havasu on Dec 1st for the lighted boat parade? I plan on being there. Maybe I will see you
HTM LADY i need some help with my decorations on my boat r u up for it????????????

HTM Lady
11-20-2001, 03:36 PM
Originally posted by HTM Lady:
Originally posted by HTMCHARLIE:
YEAH CHET THAT IS THE MOTOR THAT DONNIE BUILT THE ONE THAT KEN IS BUILDING IS STILL IN THE PARTS LOCATION.
HTM Charlie,
are you going to do to Havasu on Dec 1st for the lighted boat parade? I plan on being there. Maybe I will see you
Sure as long as you have an icechest with Corona.

mrpumps HTM
11-20-2001, 03:44 PM
Originally posted by HTM Lady:
Originally posted by HTM Lady:
Originally posted by HTMCHARLIE:
YEAH CHET THAT IS THE MOTOR THAT DONNIE BUILT THE ONE THAT KEN IS BUILDING IS STILL IN THE PARTS LOCATION.
HTM Charlie,
are you going to do to Havasu on Dec 1st for the lighted boat parade? I plan on being there. Maybe I will see you
Sure as long as you have an icechest with Corona.
NO PROB but icechest with CORONA or CORONAS A 6,12,24,PACK??????????????????? u r the BEST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

HTM Lady
11-20-2001, 03:59 PM
Originally posted by mrpumps HTM:
NO PROB but icechest with CORONA or CORONAS A 6,12,24,PACK??????????????????? u r the BEST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
24 pack if its sat & sun

mrpumps HTM
11-20-2001, 04:09 PM
Originally posted by HTM Lady:
24 pack if its sat & sun
ALL WRIGHTTTTT THEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

HTM Lady
11-20-2001, 04:13 PM
Originally posted by mrpumps HTM:
ALL WRIGHTTTTT THEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
well I guess you found yourself some help.

MIKEHTMSR24
11-20-2001, 07:12 PM
East coast HTM-SR owner
I have a 99, all black with purple and silver stripes and HTM in tear away letters running diag. across the deck.
I can say nothing but good things about HTM and crew. I bought my custom built boat site unseen and have been very please with everythng.
Steve and his family came to Atlanta and put my brand new boat in the Atlanta boat show. This says a lot about a MFG. that will deliver a boat over 2000 miles and put this solid black boat in the Atlanta show. If any flaws would show it would be this boat. This hull is a very straight hull. The name on my boat is Tunnel Vision but it might as well been "Look mommy it's the Bat Mobile".
Customer Service has been there for me. I had a couple of small things and all was taken care of with no greif.
I put about 100 hrs a season on my boat. We enjoy boating about 7 months out of the year. And we spend the whole weekend from Fri. night through Sun. evening in the boat. We sleep in the cabin every weekend. It has so much room in and out. The storage space is unbelievable. I lose things because I forget which compartment I stored it in.
Would buy another one in a heart beat.
If you allllllllll get bored check out offshoreonly.com
This is a good site with about 3500 members

HTM Lady
11-21-2001, 04:33 PM
Happy Thanksgiving to all. Be Safe and enjoy!

HTM Racing
11-25-2001, 09:38 PM
Hi Tunnel Vision,
Thanks for the good word.. Hope everyone had a great turkey day! Hope to see everyone this week end at Havasu for the boat light parade.
[This message has been edited by HTM Racing (edited November 25, 2001).]

HTM Lady
11-26-2001, 01:33 PM
Originally posted by HTM Racing:
Hi Tunnel Vision,
Thanks for the good word.. Hope everyone had a great turkey day! Hope to see everyone this week end at Havasu for the boat light parade.
[This message has been edited by HTM Racing (edited November 25, 2001).]
Thanksgiving was great. Hope yours was well. Look forward to seeing you this weekend.

mrpumps HTM
11-27-2001, 03:53 PM
Originally posted by HTM Racing:
Hi Tunnel Vision,
Thanks for the good word.. Hope everyone had a great turkey day! Hope to see everyone this week end at Havasu for the boat light parade.
[This message has been edited by HTM Racing (edited November 25, 2001).]
HEY H T M CHECK US OUT ON E S P N SPEED VISION .ITS THE PHEONIX RACE ALL OF 3 MINUTES LONG ,BUT THE NARARATER WAS STANDING IN A BAD A$$ HTM HAHA HAHA

HTM Racing
11-30-2001, 07:04 AM
The IHBA drags will run again on Dec. 2nd at 8:00 am on ESPN..

HTM Lady
12-03-2001, 04:21 PM
Originally posted by HTM Racing:
The IHBA drags will run again on Dec. 2nd at 8:00 am on ESPN..
hey htm racing,
had a blast this weekend in havasu. Thanks for the entertainment. im a liitle sore from the mechanical bull, but its all good. Looking forward to the next time. Steve 139 you are crazy dude. be careful.
[This message has been edited by HTM Lady (edited December 03, 2001).]

Infomaniac
01-10-2009, 12:27 PM
bump for first page of archive

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