DCB Motor Selection

[ItsOnly$]

I'm trying to decide on a motor packages.
F29 with either:
625 Viper Motors (Daves choice)
600 Mercs
800 Teagues (Fuel Injected)
Help me out with some suggestions.

[Kilrtoy]

I heard they sold one at the show with twin 496's
it can go with
496HO
525
575
600
teague 720's
700EFI
900EFI
1000EFI

[ItsOnly$]

Thanks Kilrtoy.
I'm only considering the pkgs listed in my first post. 800's will be the fastest and most expensive, but I like the looks, sound and reliability (?) of the vipers. I'm not real excited about the Mercs. Anybody have any input on the vipers or the differences between the 3 pkgs?

[mbrown2]

I was under the impression you could get Teague 800's for less than the 600sc, in addition I though the Viper's were a little more than the SC's.....How much more are they quoting you fromt he the 800efi then the 800 carb'd?
If it were me, I would spend the money on what is going to get me to the other side of the lake the fastest....those viper motors are pretty, but they won't be that pretty when you are getting waxed by some motor that cost less. On the Merc Blue motor, I think their pricing is a joke and I would not buy into the turn key, yada, yada, nothing over 550 HP is really that turn key anymore...

[Kilrtoy]

Dont know if this is good or bad, But i heard that Teague is the only one that can fix the vipers. I would hate to be stuck far away from him.....
You may want to call some shops where you boat and find out. yes they sound awesome.....

[mbrown2]

I want to be a fly on the wall when one of those Viper motors hiccup and the owner takes it to Savage....ol Stevie is going to have a field day talking about the reliability of that Mopar V10... :) :wink: :)

[UnionJack]

get the teague motors with the teague drive.... don't get talked into IMCO, teagues drives at least have a warranty....

[BADBLOWN572]

I would definitely stay away from the new 600 Merc package. They are overpriced for what you get. The Teague 800 Fuel Injection motors are killer. I believe that is what 3DO has in his Spectre and also I know that someone from the boards just built an F-29 with the FI Teague 800 motors in it. It was green and yellow.
The Viper motors are cool. They look like they are fresh water cooled which is a good thing.
Depending on the price, I would probably lean towards the Teague motors though. They seem to be a turn key package and I know that people on the boards are very happy with his service. Don't know much about Ilmore.

[Jrocket]

Teague 800's efi
Teague 800's carbed
Peto 650-750
Merc 525's
GT 800 whippled efi's
All with Max Machine drives or Teague's to start off with..but in no way would I use IMCO'S!!!

[cjordan]

I saw a boat at the cumberland poker run with the viper motors, they have a high pitch whine to them...like a Ferrari...but not quite that high pitched..... :rollside:

[UnionJack]

I forgot about max machine... there good also.... But like JR stated stay away from IMCO

[ItsOnly$]

Thanks for the input. I heard the Vipers will pull the Teagues up to about 80, then the teagues slowly pull away. I have a friend with the 800 efi's. He loves them. He see's about 140mph. He recently changed the pullys and bumped the boost 1 pound and he said it feels like it could get to 145mph. He was only able to get to 140 when he backed out.
Why is Dave so hot on the Vipers? Could there be more profit involved?? I just want a F29 that's reliable and fast. It doesn't need to be the fastest. There's always going to be someone that's willing to pay for the top spot. Not me!!
On another note, my insurance went up 20% with no additional marks. I was told by my broker the F34 that went over late last summer was to thank for that.

[shadow]

ItsOnly$,funny but you remind me of a guy I know. :confused:

[ItsOnly$]

Who do you know??????? :cool:

[Jrocket]

With a name like"ItsOnly$"....get spending! 1000HP Teague's should do it.

[amw]

you can always get a isurance quote and see what that does to you, then see if the 800s work for you

[UnionJack]

amw.... did you get twin vipers in your 29...

[Starloans]

HP525s. Take out of the box and whipp em.

[amw]

im going with the 625s i think thats what is best for me and my family the 800s are tempting, it best suits me today, theres always tomarrow and things change

[ItsOnly$]

Has anybody got any info/feedback on the Vipers. I really like the looks and sound. I heard a single viper is a Eliminator (??) late last summer. It sounded awesome. I didn't ask about the performance. I'd really like to talk with someone who has the motors.

[Jrocket]

So far I dont think anybody here on the boards has a viper motor set up.Could be wrong though.

[TOBTEK]

for what you get, I think the Viper motors are way over priced! AND where are you going to take it when it breaks other than TCM? Why dont more people use gary teague? he quoted me mid 30K's for a drop in ready 540efi with about 650hp and a one yr warranty, With all the good stuff in and on it. And atleast Gary would give me the time of day....the other guy was a complete male rooster! I would prefer to NEVER give him one of my hard earned dollars. AND why havent more people ventured into the 572 GM package???? I dont understand this at all. 13000.00 RETAIL PRICE($10,900 good guy price) for 640hp's, plus what about 3-5K to marinize it. Eliminator did that one in the mag, but havent heard anything about since :confused: I hear the new 600sc is great but WAY overpriced as well. 525's Great mid and top end...but ZERO low end torque........tough choice, and and a ton-o-dough any way you look at it! I say buy that F29 with a TCM1200 and a #6 drive thats gonna be forsale here shortly( and save the other 100K ). I hears he's getting talked into a F26 with X's so he can do Yuma and Havasu :cool:

[Kilrtoy]

WHAT WW is downsizing....

[Jrocket]

I hears he's getting talked into a F26 with X's so he can do Yuma and Havasu :cool:
Oh yeah?

[framer1]

ItsOnly$,funny but you remind me of a guy I know. :confused:
I wonder who you are talking about :idea: OK, Mbrown2 and Shadow I've decided on the 800 Teague if I get in trouble with the little woman it's your fault. I called Teague and they finish me off said I wouldn't be happy with the other two, to slow. You guys had Mike37 and propchecker on your side :messedup: Just need to call Dave and let him know :idea: Thanks

[Kilrtoy]

Boats gonna scot along now with the 800

[TOBTEK]

I wonder who you are talking about :idea: OK, Mbrown2 and Shadow I've decided on the 800 Teague if I get in trouble with the little woman it's your fault. I called Teague and they finish me off said I wouldn't be happy with the other two, to slow. You guys had Mike37 and propchecker on your side :messedup: Just need to call Dave and let him know :idea: Thanks
great choice, I cant imagine spending all that money to do in the 80's with a 525???? I your spending at that level, whats a little more. Whens your going to be done Framer? you know we expect pic's of the build! Time to go do a booze cruise in the cart around the neighborhood :cool:

[Jrocket]

Boats gonna scot along now with the 800
F-26 with an 800? 110-115mph?

[Havasu Hangin']

F-26 with an 800? 110-115mph?
I think Carlos go 112 MPH once (when the planets were lined up right).
:idea:

[framer1]

great choice, I cant imagine spending all that money to do in the 80's with a 525???? I your spending at that level, whats a little more. Whens your going to be done Framer? you know we expect pic's of the build! Time to go do a booze cruise in the cart around the neighborhood :cool:
Go down next week to pick colors etc. Just hope I can get ins :cry: Starting to get excited :) Don't know how to post pictures maybe son can help.

[Charley]

for what you get, I think the Viper motors are way over priced! AND where are you going to take it when it breaks other than TCM? Why dont more people use gary teague? he quoted me mid 30K's for a drop in ready 540efi with about 650hp and a one yr warranty, With all the good stuff in and on it. And atleast Gary would give me the time of day....the other guy was a complete male rooster! I would prefer to NEVER give him one of my hard earned dollars. AND why havent more people ventured into the 572 GM package???? I dont understand this at all. 13000.00 RETAIL PRICE($10,900 good guy price) for 640hp's, plus what about 3-5K to marinize it. Eliminator did that one in the mag, but havent heard anything about since :confused: I hear the new 600sc is great but WAY overpriced as well. 525's Great mid and top end...but ZERO low end torque........tough choice, and and a ton-o-dough any way you look at it! I say buy that F29 with a TCM1200 and a #6 drive thats gonna be forsale here shortly( and save the other 100K ). I hears he's getting talked into a F26 with X's so he can do Yuma and Havasu :cool:
why do that you can buy Peto 580/650's for mid 20's ;) and you get the same warranty and my promise that they are rock solid... well you know ;)

[framer1]

I think Carlos go 112 MPH once (when the planets were lined up right).
:idea:
How that's funny :D

[shadow]

I wonder who you are talking about :idea: OK, Mbrown2 and Shadow I've decided on the 800 Teague if I get in trouble with the little woman it's your fault. I called Teague and they finish me off said I wouldn't be happy with the other two, to slow. You guys had Mike37 and propchecker on your side :messedup: Just need to call Dave and let him know :idea: Thanks
Congrats Framer thats gonna be an awesome boat and engine package.
Can't wait to see it.Are coming through Havasu on your way down to San Diego?

[mbrown2]

why do that you can buy Peto 580/650's for mid 20's ;) and you get the same warranty and my promise that they are rock solid... well you know ;)
I agree with Charlie here.....I would lean towards Peto motors for price, but more important there alot of Phx based folks on here that are really happy with his motors and add the price together with that and it seems like a really good combo...
However, most of these folks are asking for opinions on motors they have been presented with....as in the builder is pushing the motors or the builder is more content due to their relationship and history with those motors....
If Dave is giving me the Teagues at the same price, I might stay with Teague's and believe Dave has been competitive with their motors so he has my respect, but if he were not I would venture out.....I am thinking these Vipers are priced for the manufactures to move them and there is some profit in there.....who cares what they sound like...you will have to muffle them anyway, and when you bring up the rear, they will only sound good to you. :rollside:

[mbrown2]

I think Carlos go 112 MPH once (when the planets were lined up right).
:idea:
I think UJ can do that pretty regular.....those F's must be faster, or his GPS is much more fogiving... :messedup: :idea: :p

[Havasu Hangin']

I think UJ can do that pretty regular.....those F's must be faster, or his GPS is much more fogiving... :messedup: :idea: :p
I bet unionjack used whiteout on the speedo and added 5 MPH to every number...
Dave must have laid Carlos' up real heavy (knowing how he was gonna drive it)...no throttle- just a switch.
:D

[Jrocket]

Just hope I can get ins
Oh you might want to check into that before ordering that Teague.

[mbrown2]

..no throttle- just a switch.
:D
Yeah....I remember a certain video where he did not need a gas pedal or stick....boy must have run from a lot border patrol down there in El Cajon, cause he can flat drive the bottom off a cat... :hammerhea

[Jrocket]

I bet unionjack used whiteout on the speedo and added 5 MPH to every number...
Dave must have laid Carlos' up real heavy (knowing how he was gonna drive it)...no throttle- just a switch.
:D
What about drive problems?Cant forget about those.

[mbrown2]

Oh you might want to check into that before ordering that Teague.
Over 600hp or 80mph, you are going to get bent over either way, so I think you are ok....you are gonna pay around 4.5-5K if you go through Markel...

[mbrown2]

What about drive problems?Cant forget about those.
Buy an outboard if you are worried about that.....600,675 or 800....with that little of difference the drive replacement factor will depend on driver more than drive....

[Havasu Hangin']

...boy must have run from a lot border patrol down there in El Cajon, cause he can flat drive the bottom off a cat... :hammerhea
I remember once when he let me drive it to Topock, and I was doing the best Carlos impression I could (80 MPH+ through the gorge). When we got to Topock, he was yawning and saying, "is that all you got?" :notam:
Good times.
:D

[framer1]

Congrats Framer thats gonna be an awesome boat and engine package.
Can't wait to see it.Are coming through Havasu on your way down to San Diego?
I doubt it. Still coming up with foremans soon. Can't go Monday will still be hungover from superbowl :eek:

[framer1]

Over 600hp or 80mph, you are going to get bent over either way, so I think you are ok....you are gonna pay around 4.5-5K if you go through Markel...
Gee, I feel like am stealing at that price :hammerhea

[Kilrtoy]

who cares what they sound like...you will have to muffle them anyway, and when you bring up the rear, they will only sound good to you. :rollside:
OUCH :cool:

[ItsOnly$]

mbrown,
Those are some pretty harsh words about the Vipers. I'm not sure 130mph is going to bring up the rear on alot of boats. There's always going to be someone faster. 130, 140, 150.........I'm not in for the fastest, I'm in it for the pkg. I want the best set-up for a reasonable price. That's if you want to call DCB prices reasonable :supp:

[F26]

i talked to Dave at the show on Saturday and was informed that the Vipers are tested at 6000 rpm for 150 hours without any problem...

[Havasu Hangin']

i talked to Dave at the show on Saturday and was informed that the Vipers are tested at 6000 rpm for 150 hours without any problem...
Better make it a pony keg of Kool-Aid...you wouldn't want to run out. :supp:

[F26]

dont know with my own eyes...just what i was told...
anyway it is still a DODGE

[mbrown2]

mbrown,
Those are some pretty harsh words about the Vipers. I'm not sure 130mph is going to bring up the rear on alot of boats. There's always going to be someone faster. 130, 140, 150.........I'm not in for the fastest, I'm in it for the pkg. I want the best set-up for a reasonable price. That's if you want to call DCB prices reasonable :supp:
I am not hating on those motors, but if someone tells me I can get 800's for the relatively the same price as 675's I am going with the 800's....and yes I would rather run 144-145 for the same price then running 130...
I know someone will always be faster, heck I have outboards so I truely know....but I am not going to be slower than someone else to go with V10's that are new, overpriced, and not alot of people familiar with them....but I don't have to sleep with them, so that's just my .02 :rollside: :)

[F26]

and if you are thirsty Havasu....fill my cup up while you are at it

[Havasu Hangin']

dont know with my own eyes...just what i was told...
As Dave was handing you the Kood-Aid bong, did you ask him if that was 150 hours straight with a load on the engine?
:D

[F26]

it might have been Hatorade

[F26]

Mbrown...was that you talking to someone in Selma? if so holla!

[Havasu Hangin']

it might have been Hatorade
There is no "Hatorade" in Davestown.
Only peace, love, zip-ties....
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/57/Jim_Jones_brochure_of_Peoples_Temple.jpg
...and Kool-Aid.

[ItsOnly$]

Thanks MB.
You're right. If I can get the 800's for the same price, I'm all over em. I don't think that's the case. I think Dave will flex much more on the Vipers. F26 statement of 150 hrs at 6000 is GOOD NEWS. I'm not sure that's real accurate info. The Ilmor rep told me they red-line at 6000. I'm not sure a whole lot of motors will hold together at redline for 150 hrs.

[CornWater]

As Dave was handing you the Kood-Aid bong, did you ask him if that was 150 hours straight with a load on the engine?
:D
That is exactly what I thought when I read that.. Engine load testing would be the only true way to measure any sort of durability..

[mbrown2]

Thanks MB.
You're right. If I can get the 800's for the same price, I'm all over em. I don't think that's the case. I think Dave will flex much more on the Vipers. F26 statement of 150 hrs at 6000 is GOOD NEWS. I'm not sure that's real accurate info. The Ilmor rep told me they red-line at 6000. I'm not sure a whole lot of motors will hold together at redline for 150 hrs.
Good luck either way you go....a 26 or 29 with any of those combo's will be pretty sick.

[Kilrtoy]

I am not hating on those motors, but if someone tells me I can get 800's for the relatively the same price as 675's I am going with the 800's....and yes I would rather run 144-145 for the same price then running 130...
I know someone will always be faster, heck I have outboards so I truely know....but I am not going to be slower than someone else to go with V10's that are new, overpriced, and not alot of people familiar with them....but I don't have to sleep with them, so that's just my .02 :rollside: :)
I was in your boat and if 105mph with 6 adults and full tanks is slow, Then call me slow too.....

[mbrown2]

I was in your boat and if 105mph with 6 adults and full tanks is slow, Then call me slow too.....
:wink: slow is a relative term....:)

[Kilrtoy]

:wink: slow is a relative term....:)
Just busting balls..... :eek:

[mbrown2]

Just busting balls..... :eek:
I know, and your boat too will be breaking hearts and others drives while running above 6K all day long...

[Jrocket]

I know, and your boat too will be breaking hearts and others drives while running above 6K all day long...
Dont forget killing mosquito's too!

[Kilrtoy]

I know, and your boat too will be breaking hearts and others drives while running above 6K all day long...
LOL, that was to funny....

[mbrown2]

Dont forget killing mosquito's too!
I never called your boat a mosquito...

[WetWillie]

The diffrence in price between the 625 vipers and the 800efi teagues is around $9k. Dave told me that he will put them in his new boat. That says something. The Vipers come with a one year warrenty which is not to shabby. Not sure what the warrenty is on the 800efi I also think that 800hp through a teague drive is pushing your luck. I think 625 is much more reasonable. I like the idea of a 125mph all day long boat. Plus the insurance should be a little more freindly on the 625!!
My vote is on the Vipers. There motors for god sake not rockets science. I think more companys to service them will follow!

[Jrocket]

I never called your boat a mosquito...
Da bugs man,,you know da bugs!

[TOBTEK]

The diffrence in price between the 625 vipers and the 800efi teagues is around $9k. Dave told me that he will put them in his new boat. That says
something. The Vipers come with a one year warrenty which is not to shabby. Not sure what the warrenty is on the 800efi I also think that 800hp through a teague drive is pushing your luck. I think 625 is much more reasonable. I like the idea of a 125mph all day long boat. Plus the insurance should be a little more freindly on the 625!!
My vote is on the Vipers. There motors for god sake not rockets science. i think more companys to service them will follow!
"Plus the insurance should be a little more freindly on the 625!!"......ahhhhhhh, NO! either way its gona be painfull. And I'd think twin 800efi wouldn't have a problem posting those same figures. ID much rather have the 800's...shoot im hoping for just one of them someday :frown:

[mbrown2]

My vote is on the Vipers. There motors for god sake not rockets science. I think more companys to service them will follow!
You sound drunk off that show coolaid....I am not talking about 800EFi's, I am talking carb motors being real close to the same price...I bet 800 EFI's through Peto would be less than Vipers or equal to it...
Also, Dave has had one of everything in his boats, 525's last year for all of about 3-5 trips....Dave can have the flavor of the week, I can't afford to have the flavor the week....just give me the fastest flavor...

[mbrown2]

BTW....I can't wait for summer...the boat show has definitely kicked the boating juices into high gear... :rollside:

[WetWillie]

Lets ask Charley!! Whats he getting in his new ride??
Damn MBrown your a tuff cookie these motors didnt impress you at all??
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/318Viper4.JPG

[Jrocket]

Dave told me that he will put them in his new boat. That says something.
My vote is on the Vipers. There motors for god sake not rockets science.
Daves a buisness man,he's gonna tell you what YOU want to hear.Wait until you need repairs or just service on those Dodges.You really want a Dodge in your boat? :D

[WetWillie]

Im not stuck on any particular brand motor! But driving them to Velencia would suck. But I have a buddy that has 2 trucks that I can borrow as he is a big baller!
Daves a buisness man,he's gonna tell you what YOU want to hear.Wait until you need repairs or just service on those Dodges.You really want a Dodge in your boat? :D

[Jrocket]

Im not stuck on any particular brand motor! But driving them to Velencia would suck. But I have a buddy that has 2 trucks that I can borrow as he is a big baller!
Well look at it this way,your gonna have to go there for drive repair anyway.Unless you use Max machine.Dont even mention IMCO either.

[TOBTEK]

Im not stuck on any particular brand motor! But driving them to Velencia would suck. But I have a buddy that has 2 trucks that I can borrow as he is a big baller!
I SHOULD only have one.....after you buy the 04. BTW they are planning on dropping off the new one tomorrow night, then we are doing K1 GO-CARTs in carlsbad...wanta go?

[WetWillie]

I could probaly do that!! Are they outside or inside?? What is the hight requirment and age?? Whos going??
I SHOULD only have one.....after you buy the 04. BTW they are planning on dropping off the new one tomorrow night, then we are doing K1 GO-CARTs in carlsbad...wanta go?

[Jrocket]

I could probaly do that!! Are they outside or inside?? What is the hight requirment and age?? Whos going??
Dude how tall are you? LOL

[WetWillie]

I was thinking about my wife and kids!! :p
Dude how tall are you? LOL

[andy01]

why do that you can buy Peto 580/650's for mid 20's ;) and you get the same warranty and my promise that they are rock solid... well you know ;)
Isn't that what you paid for your 620's from Peto? Some where in the 20K ball park?
Andy

[Charley]

Isn't that what you paid for your 620's from Peto? Some where in the 20K ball park?
Andy
Congrats on your new boat man... you must be juiced!
actually, you are right .... the price has gone up a little bit since then and after you do shipping and tax you are mid 20's ......... here is a link to the motor and it's specs
http://www.larrysengine.com/engine_580TKM.htm

[Charley]

That is exactly what I thought when I read that.. Engine load testing would be the only true way to measure any sort of durability..
Thats funny..... load or not it's an unbelievable test....In fact I dare both you and HH to open either of your motors to 6000 RPMs for 150 hrs and see if they survive .... in fact I'll pay for the refresh if they make it.... if not you fix em and give me $500

[mbrown2]

Lets ask Charley!! Whats he getting in his new ride??
Damn MBrown your a tuff cookie these motors didnt impress you at all??
They are purty....but not sure if I am sold on them yet....some paint and carbon fiber does not sale me....need to see them in several boats for a couple years....something to said about going with something that is proven.
BTW...Charlie changes his mind more then a girl searching for a prom dress, so what does that tell ya. :) :cool: :) ...29 w/800efi's, 32 w, 29, vipers, etc....:)

[Havasu Hangin']

Thats funny..... load or not it's an unbelievable test...
Funny...when an engine is in a boat, I thought there was a load on it? :confused:
I guess that proves that those engines will last a loooong time if you never put them in gear!
The Kool-Aid must have been so strong that day, that even the bullshit meter was lulled into submission... :sleeping:

[SummerObsession]

It looks like you are receiving tons of advice on this question, Itsonly$.
I have a F-29 with the aforementioned Peto 580ci/625?hp motors and the apparently evil IMCO SC drives.
Granted, I bought the boat from Charley just last spring and I haven't put a ton of hours on the boat, but here are some observations I have learned through owning three different boats in three years.
1. NEVER buy a motor with a carb. They suck, and are antiques unless you spend all your time at wide open throttle!!!
2. Buy as much (or more) power as you and your insurance can afford. You can always de-tune a motr, but increasing power is much more expensive.
3. If you use a custom engine builder, specify the BEST parts. I'm not talking crap like carbon valve covers or billet flame arrestors either. I mean billet cranks, good rings, the BEST heads you can buy, a realistic cam profile, and the most indestructible valve train possible.
4. See number 1.
5. My next boat will have over 750hp and #6 drives. Period.
6. Be aware that the weak link in a bravo boat is the drive. Thottle accordingly. So far, I have never had an issue with a drive, but I baby mine out of the hole and on re-entry.
7. Refer again to number 1.
Given your choices, I would probably stay away fron the V-10 until it proves itself. Another year or two will do that one way or the other.
If it were me, I would look at either a big cubic inch naturally aspirated efi motor (best choice, in my opinion-huge torque, low maintenance, and will haul ass!), or a bigger cubic inch, low boost quad rotor motor. You can always buy smaller pulleys. :wink:

[CornWater]

Thats funny..... load or not it's an unbelievable test....In fact I dare both you and HH to open either of your motors to 6000 RPMs for 150 hrs and see if they survive .... in fact I'll pay for the refresh if they make it.... if not you fix em and give me $500
Does Bravo make a 12 pitch... maybe I can get my boat to 6000 RPM's then... :D Not saying that the test isn't impressive, just saying that it is not a realistic indicator of the longevity of the motor.. :)

[jackpunx]

do any of you know how much the TCM 1200 carb motor cost?

[Three Days Only]

If it makes it any easy for you. I am running two of Bob's TCM800EFI's. Never had a problem with the motors as of yet, Knock on wood. The only issues that I have had involved the MSD distributors which Teague replaced promptly with no bullshit once out at the river in front of the nautical inn (thats service). The motors are alot on any bravo drive, I dont care who builds it. If your hard on the sticks your going to blow a drive, or two! The one thing I can say is the motors are solid and Teagues service so far is the best I have ever had from anyone. There on top of everything, and get my boat back on the water quick, I have never missed a weekend due to them. The motors do come with a 1 year warranty, and they stood behind there product, although I have never had any large problems besdies the MSD distruibutor pickup wires shearing off. I highly recommend his motor, but the bravo will be the weak link guaranteed!
Jeff

[TOBTEK]

I could probaly do that!! Are they outside or inside?? What is the hight requirment and age?? Whos going??
they are inside (and a very cool facility) we are going after work/late probably 8:30ish depending if we get a late night deal (and if we plan this I all but promise we will get someone late! allways happends) if you are thinking about your girls...They are many kids driving them but im not sure of the requirements. I have there website at work, I'll check and call you later...

[Screaming Pete]

Hay Tob whats shaken, are you going to the boat show?

[TOBTEK]

Hay Tob whats shaken, are you going to the boat show?
no show for me this yr....to depressing! I get to go to the home expo alot though :(

[Freak]

How about one of these. Marine Assault "Triple Nickel" 900 HP 555 CID Supercharged EFI. $28,600.00
The warranty is kinda cool too. $4000.00 back at end of 6 months if unused.

[Reaper1]

If it makes it any easy for you. I am running two of Bob's TCM800EFI's. Never had a problem with the motors as of yet, Knock on wood. The only issues that I have had involved the MSD distributors which Teague replaced promptly with no bullshit once out at the river in front of the nautical inn (thats service). The motors are alot on any bravo drive, I dont care who builds it. If your hard on the sticks your going to blow a drive, or two! The one thing I can say is the motors are solid and Teagues service so far is the best I have ever had from anyone. There on top of everything, and get my boat back on the water quick, I have never missed a weekend due to them. The motors do come with a 1 year warranty, and they stood behind there product, although I have never had any large problems besdies the MSD distruibutor pickup wires shearing off. I highly recommend his motor, but the bravo will be the weak link guaranteed!
Jeff
How about them blower belts? :D :supp:

[HavasuDreamin']

How about one of these. Marine Assault "Triple Nickel" 900 HP 555 CID Supercharged EFI. $28,600.00
The warranty is kinda cool too. $4000.00 back at end of 6 months if unused.
If I was building one of these machines, Info. would get my business for sure and #6 drives would hang off the back. :rollside:

[Charley]

Funny...when an engine is in a boat, I thought there was a load on it? :confused:
I guess that proves that those engines will last a loooong time if you never put them in gear!
The Kool-Aid must have been so strong that day, that even the bullshit meter was lulled into submission... :sleeping:
HH... apparently 6000 rpms for 150 hrs straight is no big deal.... so take me up on my offer ;)

[Havasu Hangin']

HH... apparently 6000 rpms for 150 hrs straight is no big deal.... so take me up on my offer ;)
No...actually that is a very big deal. Maybe Dave meant the "turbine" Viper motors...because otherwise, that's pegging the BS Meter on a piston deal. :idea:
Have another glass of Kool-Aid...it'll help numb any logic that may try to creep into the DCB booth. :supp:

[Charley]

No...actually that is a very big deal. Maybe Dave meant the "turbine" Viper motors...because otherwise, that's pegging the BS Meter on a piston deal. :idea:
Have another glass of Kool-Aid...it'll help numb any logic that may try to creep into the DCB booth. :supp:
I just had to call and see, and yes Dave is saying Ilmor told him that as an indurance test they ran one of the new 625hp versions at WOT 6000 rpms for 150 hrs straight ..... Dave is following up with the guys at Ilmor to confirm he heard the details right

[Havasu Hangin']

I just had to call and see, and yes Dave is saying Ilmor told him that as an indurance test they ran one of the new 625hp versions at WOT 6000 rpms for 150 hrs straight ..... Dave is following up with the guys at Ilmor to confirm he heard the details right
Any load on the motor?
Stock oil and oiling system? How many quarts?
What water temp?

[Three Days Only]

Any load on the motor?
Stock oil and oiling system? How many quarts?
What water temp?
Face it, they got lucky!!!! That shit isnt going to happen in the real world.

[Charley]

Any load on the motor?
6 metric Tons... I think it was a 35 cig
Stock oil and oiling system?
to prove the superiority they used an epileptic midget and 1 quart of marvel mystery oil
What water temp?
it started as pre heated to 280 degrees, but within 6 minutes the v10 turned the water into ice cubes and then spit out a perfectly chilled grey goose Lemon drop
I hope you are impressed now

[Blacksheep]

I've been talking alot with Ilmore, the builder of the MV-10s. They will be debuting a list of dealers who will sell and work on these motors across the country at the Miami boat show this month.
I have also heard they are developing a supercharger package for their engine as well. So keep your eyes and ears open.
I know alot of people like to shoot these motors down but in my opinion, it is hard to beat the horsepower to weight ratio compared to other engines out there. If you have the money why not. After talking with the engineers up there and listening to the reliability numbers they have on this motor, they would be hard to beat. Why not spend the extra money on an engine package that sounds unique, weighs in at 400 lbs less, and also is reliable and maintainable. The engines also have a closed loop cooling system using a heat exchanger, not too mention they have teamed up with Teague on a drive package.
PM me if you want some of the info Ilmor has provided. Or better yet PM me for Bob Mason's email address at Ilmor and get the information first hand. John West at Ultra is high on these motors as well. Hard to beat the torque curve these things provide!!!!
My .02 for what it's worth.

[boxscore]

6 metric Tons... I think it was a 35 cig
to prove the superiority they used an epileptic midget and 1 quart of marvel mystery oil
it started as pre heated to 280 degrees, but within 6 minutes the v10 turned the water into ice cubes and then spit out a perfectly chilled grey goose Lemon drop
I hope you are impressed now
LMAO. Say there HH... You gotta admit you're not the only clever guy around here. But you would be considered the tallest clever guy.

[BADBLOWN572]

If Teague is hooking up Ilmore on the drives, is there any warranty on the drive or is it just the motor?

[framer1]

What's the best drive to put on a 800? Wouldn't a # 6 drive be a little heavy for a 26 foot boat :confused: Not to mention expensive.

[mbrown2]

6 metric Tons... I think it was a 35 cig
to prove the superiority they used an epileptic midget and 1 quart of marvel mystery oil
it started as pre heated to 280 degrees, but within 6 minutes the v10 turned the water into ice cubes and then spit out a perfectly chilled grey goose Lemon drop
I hope you are impressed now
Charlie, that was one of the most funny responses I have ever read...that s h i t is killing me...:):):):):)

[mbrown2]

My .02 for what it's worth.
Definitely good info....thanks

[Havasu Hangin']

6 metric Tons...
About the same size as your ego? :idea:
...used an epileptic midget and 1 quart of marvel mystery oil..
Although you seem to be very proud of it, let's keep you and mbrown's sex life off the boards.
LMAO. Say there HH... You gotta admit you're not the only clever guy around here. But you would be considered the tallest clever guy.
I am definately not the only clever guy around here...but I'm still looking for the other one to step forward. :supp:
As for the tallest...hell, my 2 year old towers over most of the rugrats in this section.
:D

[Jordy]

As for the tallest...hell, my 2 year old towers over most of the rugrats in this section.
:D
But did he have the billet Cult pacifier and kool aid sippy cup when he was a baby??? :D

[mbrown2]

mbrown's sex life off the boards.
Marvel Mystery Oil and Vipers are where its at, you better recognize.....do I hear Cig re-power?

[Havasu Hangin']

But did he have the billet Cult pacifier and kool aid sippy cup when he was a baby??? :D
No Kool-Aid for this kid...he goes everywhere EYES WIDE OPEN.
Marvel Mystery Oil and Vipers are where its at, you better recognize.....do I hear Cig re-power?
Should pull Charley out of his Habitrail and get him on one of these?
http://www.pet-expo.com/images/ss/ha62080.jpg
Should we see if he can run at 6,000 RPMs for 150 hours straight? :idea:
MORE KOOL-AID PLEASE!
(hurry...I am starting to think for myself) :supp:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/57/Jim_Jones_brochure_of_Peoples_Temple.jpg

[Charley]

I should know better than to pick on a man twice my size, thrice my wit and enabled with the god like power to change anything
Touche big man

[Blacksheep]

If Teague is hooking up Ilmore on the drives, is there any warranty on the drive or is it just the motor?
There is a full one year warranty with the Viper MV-10 with the Teague Platinum/XR drive package. It covers all parts from flame arrestor to prop shaft.
I also forgot to mention yesterday the MV-10 uses 40% less fuel than your typical big block. I know some don't care about fuel economy but if you can save a few $$ and still have a nice setup...why not???

[UnionJack]

I would put a six if possible... or get the teague drive so you can get the warranty, I did not receive a warranty with my teague 800 because I got the IMCO SC which has no warranty... I would of gotten the teague drive if it would of been explained to me.
What's the best drive to put on a 800? Wouldn't a # 6 drive be a little heavy for a 26 foot boat :confused: Not to mention expensive.

[Three Days Only]

I have heard..............this could be really wrong, but its a good source.
There offering these motors super cheap to companies right now trying to get some rigged in boats. I have heard that some of the companies which have already installed these motors have gotten them for next to nothing due to the boat shows in LA & Miami. Were the owners of these boats passed on the savings. I doubt it?
I will tell you what, I would watch and listen for about a year before I put anything in a boat I wanted to have fun with. Break downs suck!! Especially when they eat up your summer!

[mbrown2]

I also forgot to mention yesterday the MV-10 uses 40% less fuel than your typical big block.
Where are all these specs coming from? I saw one page on their webpage that talked about the weight savings in a 32 Skater that only ran 109 with two of the 550 models.....not that fast if you ask me...
Sounds like a lot of marketing hype at this point, and builders getting them for great deals from the manufacture and then making a good profit off them...
I would like to see side by side tests before I believe the marketing guys...

[Blacksheep]

Where are all these specs coming from? I saw one page on their webpage that talked about the weight savings in a 32 Skater that only ran 109 with two of the 550 models.....not that fast if you ask me...
Sounds like a lot of marketing hype at this point, and builders getting them for great deals from the manufacture and then making a good profit off them...
I would like to see side by side tests before I believe the marketing guys...
That's why you call the engineers and talk to them directly. Their website doesn't have much of anything. Not much more than you get in the magazines. Don't believe everything you hear or see...talk to the technical guys to get the real scoop.

[mbrown2]

That's why you call the engineers and talk to them directly. Their website doesn't have much of anything. Not much more than you get in the magazines. Don't believe everything you hear or see...talk to the technical guys to get the real scoop.
If I bought and deployed Technology gear just by talking to Cisco or Nortel techs as opposed to seeing what it did in the real world and then baselining it against each other or competitors, I would be out of a job....I think I will wait and see what the real world says about these engines...... I appreciate all the info, but I am sure if I call the tech's at GT, Peto, Pfaff, Sterling, all are going to say great things about their engines...
I will say that illmor has more experience building race engines then most of the boat engine builders out there today, and if that crosses over successfully to marine, then I would say they have a successful future ahead of them.

[mbrown2]

Blacksheep,
What boat you thinking about putting them in?

[Three Days Only]

If I bought and deployed Technology gear just by talking to Cisco or Nortel techs as opposed to seeing what it did in the real world and then baselining it against each other or competitors, I would be out of a job....I think I will wait and see what the real world says about these engines...... I appreciate all the info, but I am sure if I call the tech's at GT, Peto, Pfaff, Sterling, all are going to say great things about their engines...
I will say that illmor has more experience building race engines then most of the boat engine builders out there today, and if that crosses over successfully to marine, then I would say they have a successful future ahead of them.
MB................
I agree with that 100%. Just sit back and see what happens! Those motors might just be the wave of the future, and next thing you know everyone will be building the shit out of V-10's. The V-12's that Callan Marine was running prior to the wreck sounded sick!

[ZBODaytona]

I know of two big boats here in Florida with some of the first V-10's in them. They have been running for almost a year now with no problems. One boat is a 36 Velocity that raced a viper to Miami from Sanford, and during the test the boat was stuffed, but no damage other than a windsheild. The other is a 41 Velocity. The 36 has seen over 90 and the owner only knows one way to drive WOT. The 41 sees speeds in the 80's, but the owner is a little more tame on the throttle. Neither of these boats has had any engine or drive failures, Teague drives. The only problem I know of was last year in june at the Jacksonville poker run, the 36 broke a belt and they had some trouble finding a spare.

[Blacksheep]

Blacksheep,
What boat you thinking about putting them in?
I agree with both you and 3DO. I wouldn't go out and buy anything myself based on hear say. I like to deal in facts and figures. You know....show me, don't tell me. Like ZBODaytona said, from the many boats I know they have been installed in, in addition to speaking with Ilmor and John West, I am impressed with what I have heard and the numbers I have seen. Granted I haven't seen anything in person, it's all been on paper. In their first year they've had only 2 boat failures. Both were relating to the water cooling area. Once they redesigned the package everything was superior, and yes the first engineer is serving hard time for his oversights.
Anyhow, the people I have spoken with that have them installed, love them. Like I said don't get me wrong, because I DO agree with everything you are saying. :cool:
To answer your second question, I am looking into the 27 Shadow. Not sure which engine yet but I got an insurance quote with the 550HP Viper. I'm very interested to see what they do with the supercharger package they are coming out with. We'll see.