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Jbb
02-04-2005, 01:19 PM
I went flying today...well ...hovering, anyway...I went in an R-22....which in real life seems about the size of a small car.....Quite the humbling experience for a guy who used to think he could fly anything :D ....This is nothing like fixed wing at all.....and you stay quite busy .....definately a challenge here are some pics....
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/181DSCF0048td.JPG
Tiny little tail rotor...
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/181DSCF0043td.JPG
Instrument panel...This model is instrument rated....however I cant see how you could look at charts ....or change anything in flight if ATC asked....as busy as you are... :D
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/181DSCF0044td.JPG
Hovering around...
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/181DSCF0045td.JPG
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/181DSCF0046td.JPG
Back on the ground.....in one piece... :D
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/181DSCF0049td.JPG

RiverOtter
02-04-2005, 01:23 PM
Avation underwriters call those things "Frusterated Palm Trees" :D

Tom Brown
02-04-2005, 01:31 PM
Way cool, Brian. :cool:
Don't forget your GUMP check. :D

Ziggy
02-04-2005, 02:14 PM
They must have known you were coming Brian...They put danger signs on it :D
What is it? Bell, Hughie???(for us avionically challanged folks) I see those around our area too, sound like VW bug motors...

Jbb
02-04-2005, 02:15 PM
Robinson R22

RACER52
02-04-2005, 02:33 PM
yes they are fun, I have actually simulated an auto-rotation in an R22.
talk about :eek:
Wouldnt want to do it without the option of powering back up..

Tom Brown
02-04-2005, 02:46 PM
yes they are fun, I have actually simulated an auto-rotation in an R22.
talk about :eek:
My understanding is that each pilot must do an autorotation to get their license. I assume the autorotation must be successful.

FMluvswater
02-04-2005, 03:20 PM
I went flying today...well ...hovering, anyway...I went in an R-22....which in real life seems about the size of a small car.....Quite the humbling experience for a guy who used to think he could fly anything :D ....This is nothing like fixed wing at all.....and you stay quite busy .....definately a challenge here are some pics....
Hovering around...
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/181DSCF0045td.JPG
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/181DSCF0046td.JPG
WTF? :confused: No aerial view pics? :D :p Seriously though way cool Jbb. :cool: :)

Jbb
02-04-2005, 03:28 PM
WTF? :confused: No aerial view pics? :D :p Seriously though way cool Jbb. :cool: :)
lol...thanks...I think the highest altitude I saw today was about 25 feet...and once he let me try flying .....well those pics would not be very steady... :rollside:

Tom Brown
02-04-2005, 03:32 PM
Don't be a fraidycat. Your hands won't be off the stick off the stick very long to squeeze off a couple of pics. I'd like to see a picture of your instructor's expression while you do that?

Sleek-Jet
02-04-2005, 03:51 PM
Hey Brian... it's a good rule of thumb not to fly in anything where the wings travel faster than the fuselage.... :D
I've got a video, shot in secret, of JBB's first flight. Hang on, I'll go get it. :D

Jbb
02-04-2005, 03:52 PM
Don't be a fraidycat. Your hands won't be off the stick off the stick very long to squeeze off a couple of pics. I'd like to see a picture of your instructor's expression while you do that?
At one point ....lol....he asked me to stop fighting him on the cyclic stick...I thought the resistance was just built in... :p
when we got done ....I was covered in sweat.... :rollside:

Jbb
02-04-2005, 03:53 PM
Hey Brian... it's a good rule of thumb not to fly in anything where the wings travel faster than the fuselage.... :D
I've got a video, shot in secret, of JBB's first flight. Hang on, I'll go get it. :D
step on the wrong pedal...and I found the wings and fuselage will equalize in speed... :idea:

Kachina26
02-04-2005, 03:54 PM
Awesome!!! I really want to try fixed wing eventually.

Sleek-Jet
02-04-2005, 04:16 PM
JBB's first flight... BANG!! (http://www.alexisparkinn.com/photogallery/Videos/heli_crash_(self_taught).wmv)
:D
More collective... NO, NO.... RIGHT PEDEL, RIGHT PEDEL.... LEFT CYCLIC... LEFT CYLIC.... AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:D
So, are you doing the whole get my Rotorwing liscense, or was this just for fun???

HCS
02-04-2005, 04:20 PM
Maybe it wouldn't be such a challenge if you weren't posting vids on here at the same time. :hammer2: :D

Infomaniac
02-04-2005, 05:57 PM
Looks like fun man.
Why are all the trees pruned to the same level ? :idea:

coolchange
02-04-2005, 06:05 PM
Had a friend crash one of those in another friends backyard. All I gotta say is ROTOR SPEED!

Sleek-Jet
02-04-2005, 06:09 PM
....Don't forget your GUMP check. :D
I'm impressed Brown....

Jbb
02-04-2005, 06:35 PM
JBB's first flight... BANG!! (http://www.alexisparkinn.com/photogallery/Videos/heli_crash_(self_taught).wmv)
:D
More collective... NO, NO.... RIGHT PEDEL, RIGHT PEDEL.... LEFT CYCLIC... LEFT CYLIC.... AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:D
So, are you doing the whole get my Rotorwing liscense, or was this just for fun???
When he turned it over to me .....It looked surprisingly like that I imagine....
I am looking for a rating....This instructor has 200 hrs total time and only in the R22....I am going to another place that has a Schweitzer ....which is bigger and more powerful next week....we'll see...

spectras only
02-04-2005, 06:56 PM
I remember when this little sucka was introduced for 70 K
cdn :smile: .Make sure the tailrotor gear has oil in it. An
instructor and sudent got killed here recently for the lack of
it :( .Friend of mine had a Bell 47 for logging in the early
80's .Unfortunately crashed in fog into a mountain .I stick
with model helis myself [gas bell 47 , micro electric Hornet=
scale Schweitzer] . Have fun and take pics from the air next time
:)

moneypit
02-04-2005, 07:49 PM
Hey JBB...... Fertilize the lawn

PICKLEtheLOAD
02-04-2005, 08:22 PM
Jbb...trust me dude, the learning curve is exponential. I have over 1,000 hours rotary wing time...and its a blast! Hang in there. Personally, I opt for the 4,000 SHP MH-60S, but then again...it aint MY dime. :D
http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/mh_60s/images/MH60S_2.jpg

Jbb
02-04-2005, 08:51 PM
Jbb...trust me dude, the learning curve is exponential. I have over 1,000 hours rotary wing time...and its a blast! Hang in there. Personally, I opt for the 4,000 SHP MH-60S, but then again...it aint MY dime. :D
http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/mh_60s/images/MH60S_2.jpg
lol..It better be exponential....or else It may take me 1000 hrs ....to get hovering down... :D

Sleek-Jet
02-05-2005, 05:04 AM
When he turned it over to me .....It looked surprisingly like that I imagine....
I am looking for a rating....This instructor has 200 hrs total time and only in the R22....I am going to another place that has a Schweitzer ....which is bigger and more powerful next week....we'll see...
I've had a couple instructors like that.... I swear one guy was blowing the ink dry on his paper work as I walked through the door. :hammerhea
Good luck Brian, and keep us posted.

Jbb
02-05-2005, 03:17 PM
They must have known you were coming Brian...They put danger signs on it :D
What is it? Bell, Hughie???(for us avionically challanged folks) I see those around our area too, sound like VW bug motors...
Yeah....lol....
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/181danger.jpg

rrrr
02-05-2005, 07:02 PM
It takes forty hours of instruction to get a pilot's license, be it fixed wing or rotary. Back in the 80's I did a trade out deal, construction work for a helo ticket.
I got around 27 hours of instruction in a Bell 206L before I made some interesting discoveries. Granted, this was before the advent of the Robinson R-22 and R-44. Those helicopters have changed the landscape quite a bit.
1.) To get any type of insurance at all, a pilot must have at least 500 hours in stick time.
2.) Turbine helicopter (like the 206L) rental rates were around $400 per hour at the time.
3.) Number 1 and number 2 equal $200K. Then rent a bird for $400 a hour. I'm not great at math, but I figured this one out.
However, it was a great experience. Dang, why do things that are fun cost so much?

Jbb
02-05-2005, 07:19 PM
It takes forty hours of instruction to get a pilot's license, be it fixed wing or rotary. Back in the 80's I did a trade out deal, construction work for a helo ticket.
I got around 27 hours of instruction in a Bell 206L before I made some interesting discoveries. Granted, this was before the advent of the Robinson R-22 and R-44. Those helicopters have changed the landscape quite a bit.
1.) To get any type of insurance at all, a pilot must have at least 500 hours in stick time.
2.) Turbine helicopter (like the 206L) rental rates were around $400 per hour at the time.
3.) Number 1 and number 2 equal $200K. Then rent a bird for $400 a hour. I'm not great at math, but I figured this one out.
However, it was a great experience. Dang, why do things that are fun cost so much?
Stop raining on my parade!.... :mad: .... :D ...Besides ...its only money......If I were'nt doing this ...I would probably waste it on something frivolous....like a boat.... :p

rrrr
02-05-2005, 07:36 PM
Stop raining on my parade!.... :mad: .... :D ...Besides ...its only money......If I were'nt doing this ...I would probably waste it on something frivolous....like a boat.... :p
:D
It's like I said, why do the fun things turn you upside down and shake out your pockets?

Jbb
02-05-2005, 07:39 PM
:D
It's like I said, why do the fun things turn you upside down and shake out your pockets?
how long was it before you could hover?

rrrr
02-05-2005, 07:55 PM
how long was it before you could hover?
About five hours of dual. Cripes, who knew that an eighth of an inch could mean so much???? :D

Jbb
02-05-2005, 08:00 PM
About five hours of dual. Cripes, who knew that an eighth of an inch could mean so much???? :D
I could live with an 1/8 in travel meaning so much....Whats hard for me ...is the lag time till something happens....most fixed wing stuff I have flown is instant....its somewhat unnerving at 20 ft when the guy says ...just give a little input ....and see what happens... :rollside:

Havasu Cig
02-05-2005, 08:15 PM
It will become second nature once you gey used to it. I have a commercial rotor wing ticket and quite of bit of fixed wing time as well and I feel alot more comfortable in a helicopter.
I know some of the high time fixed wing guys that were doing rotor wing transitions seemed to have a harder time because they were so used to the way they were already doing stuff in a plane. Stick with it, flying helicopters is a blast!!!

Jbb
02-05-2005, 08:20 PM
It will become second nature once you gey used to it. I have a commercial rotor wing ticket and quite of bit of fixed wing time as well and I feel alot more comfortable in a helicopter.
I know some of the high time fixed wing guys that were doing rotor wing transitions seemed to have a harder time because they were so used to the way they were already doing stuff in a plane. Stick with it, flying helicopters is a blast!!!
Comfortable...lol...It was not very warm yesterday....and when we landed ....I was soaked.....lol....I used to give sim checks for Flight engineer ratings ...and loved making them sweat.....paybacks are a bitch...lol