planning new system..need some advice..lots of it!

[Essex29]

I just picked up a "new to me " boat and it needs some help in the sounds dept!
Here is a list of items it currently has...
Alpine 9827 CD/MP3 player
4 12' Memphis subs
2 pair 6 1/2 Memphis mids
2 pair 5 1/4 Memphis mids
1 pair Kicker 1' tweeters
1 pair Memphis 1' tweeters
1 pair Alpine 6x9's in the open bow
All is running off of a Memphis amp...size unknown
Alpine 5824 (I think) in the cuddy
1 pair Kicker(I hink) 6x9's in the cuddy
juice is provided to the stereo courtesy of 3 Stinger 1700's
Now this is some additional equipmentI have to work with...
Fosgate 800.4..never used, but it's not a new model probably 3 years old
Fosgate 1000.2..never used, but it's not a new model probably 3 years old
Mb Quart 6 1/2 marine full range speakers 4 pair
Mb Quart 6 1/2 marine midrange...I don't have the tweeter for them
One idea that I had was to use the 6 1/2 Memphis speakers under the hatch sandbar dj style..not really...you know what I mean?
I also have one of these chargers
http://www.pmariner.com/productFeature.php?ProductNum=51010
Will it be enough to charge 3 1700's for the stereo and 2 megatrons for the boat?
Well that's a start!

[Essex29]

TTT
I thought i'd get a couple of responses by now :squiggle:

[riverbound]

TTT
I thought i'd get a couple of responses by now :squiggle:
I don't know where you are located but I would recommend taking your boat to Al&Eds in Ontario and have them look it over then they can give you some advise. If they are too far from you you can PM "Parker" and he can probably help you out. Also if you could post some pics of the current stuff it would be easier to help. It is really hard to design/ improve on a system with out being able to see equipment locations.

[BoatFloating]

That Memphis stuff isn't the greatest. Pictures would be good like RB said because I'm confused to what you have and model numbers like the Alpine 5824 in cuddy.
So what kind of boat did you get????

[Essex29]

That Memphis stuff isn't the greatest. Pictures would be good like RB said because I'm confused to what you have and model numbers like the Alpine 5824 in cuddy.
So what kind of boat did you get????
I ended up with a 29 Essex Alandra.
It has a seperate deck and 2 speakers in the cuddy area, so if you wanted to slide the door closed on either side of the cuddy you could play your own music....make sense?
What do you think about the battery charger?

[Havasu Hangin']

Is you current setup lacking some mid-bass "punch"?
:idea:

[Essex29]

no punch at all..sounds better than a factory aftermarket stereo, but not much!
seems grossly underpowered...

[Havasu Hangin']

no punch at all..sounds better than a factory aftermarket stereo, but not much!
seems grossly underpowered...
Uh...yep.
I'd install those 4 pair of Quarts, but the 800.4 will still only give them 50 watts each (and you'll need a fan on the amp with a 2 ohm load).
I'd give them 100 watts or so to wake them up- run them full range. With decent subs, you'll be able to keep the bass boost down.
How big are the boxes for the subs?

[Essex29]

I don't know the specs on the box....
Can I make it work with what I have or am I better of starting over?

[Havasu Hangin']

I don't know the specs on the box....
Can I make it work with what I have or am I better of starting over?
Well, I think that if you put some W3's in place of the Memphis subs, and give them 250 watts each with that Rockford Hotplate 1000.2...the bass will be fine (I think BF had a similar setup with Crossfire amps, and it was pretty loud). If the boxes are too big, no worries! Just put some 2" x 4" in there to take some airspace out. If they are too small, you are SOL.
Maybe a second amp for the Quarts and Alpines (run them full range), and I bet you'll be pleasantly suprised.
So I guess you are really just looking at widening some components holes, buying an amp and 4 subs...and a weekend.

[BoatFloating]

I tell you that HH guy knows what he's talking about when it comes to stereo stuff. Hey 1 out 10 things isn't bad. :idea:
Originally Posted by TheGreyGoose
What do you think about the battery charger?
What battery charger are you talking about?????

[Essex29]

I also have one of these chargers
http://www.pmariner.com/productFeat...roductNum=51010
Will it be enough to charge 3 1700's for the stereo and 2 megatrons for the boat?

[BoatFloating]

I also have one of these chargers
http://www.pmariner.com/productFeat...roductNum=51010
Will it be enough to charge 3 1700's for the stereo and 2 megatrons for the boat?
Sorry, I missed that part. 30 amp hours divided by 5 batteries........ Maybe in a 8-10 period to full charge all them..... generator time if your gonna play it long and loud ....

[Essex29]

Sorry, I missed that part. 30 amp hours divided by 5 batteries........ Maybe in a 8-10 period to full charge all them..... generator time if your gonna play it long and loud ....
What about if I just used it for the 3 1700's?
I don't know about usage stats, is there any way to figure how long the stereo will play on 3 1700's?
What if I added another 800.4 to the mix...could I then run them all @4 ohm?

[Havasu Hangin']

What if I added another 800.4 to the mix...could I then run them all @4 ohm?
You could run them all at 4 ohm, but the speakers would only get 50 watts each.
That would still be a step up from what you have, but if you want to give them more power, you could go with a couple amps rated at 150 watts at 2 ohms- that would give you 75 watts per speaker.
Better yet, how about a couple 4 channel amps rated at 100 watts x 4 @ 4 ohms? :cool:
It's only money...

[BoatFloating]

What about if I just used it for the 3 1700's?
I don't know about usage stats, is there any way to figure how long the stereo will play on 3 1700's?
What if I added another 800.4 to the mix...could I then run them all @4 ohm?
You need to see the specs on the battery of how many amp hour it has in reserve. Then you need to see what your amps use. Like my JL 1000/1 uses 150 amp hours at peak. 3 1700 could give you I imagine about 2 - 3 hours of full hard play time. With 2 stereos and the amps you mentioned just a guess without seeing the specs.....

[Essex29]

How about running 2 of these...
Phoenix Gold OCTANE-R 9.0:5
----------------------------
• 5 channel power amplifier
• 12dB HP/LP variable crossovers
• Seperate front/rear/sub inputs
• Low Pass Level port (LPL)
• Dimensions: 19.75L x 10.875W x 2.25H
front/rear
125W x 4 (4 ohm stereo)
subwoofer
400W x 1(2 ohm bridged)
Do I need to run 4 12's? Can I get away running only 2?
If I need 4 would this be an amp to choose for the other 2..
PH-GOLD R8.0:1 800W 1CH
MONO BLOCK AMPLIFIER
• High efficiency Class "D" monoblock amplifier
• 18dB variable LP crossover
• 18dB variable subsonic filter
• Low Pass Level port (LPL)
• Dimensions: 14.75L x 10.875W x 2.25H
800W x 1 (2 ohm mono)
max power
or this?
PH-GOLD R15.0:1 1500W 1CH
MONO BLOCK AMPLIFIER
• High efficiency Class "D" monoblock amplifier
• 18dB variable LP crossover
• 18dB variable subsonic filter
• Low Pass Level port (LPL)
• Dimensions: 14.5L x 10.875W x 2.25H
1500W x 1 (2 ohm mono)
max power

[Whipped Caliber]

I'm running Phoenix Gold OCTANE product in my boat with great luck.
A little over kill but I like it.
8 pair of 6 1/2
http://www.speedcraving.com/dynda/jim/rd/mark/6.5%20Sp.jpg
3 4ch 800 watt amps for 6.5's
http://www.speedcraving.com/dynda/jim/rd/mark/4%20ch%20amps.jpg
4 10" mid subs:
1 800watt 2ch amps,1 5 channel
http://www.speedcraving.com/dynda/jim/rd/mark/10mid.jpg
4 12" subs:
http://www.speedcraving.com/dynda/jim/rd/mark/12%20subs.jpg
2 1500 watt sub amps:
http://www.speedcraving.com/dynda/jim/rd/mark/sub%20amp.jpg
2 15 band EQ's:
http://www.speedcraving.com/dynda/jim/rd/mark/EQ's.jpg
1 delay controll:
http://www.speedcraving.com/dynda/jim/rd/mark/DD6.jpg
1 v meter:
http://www.speedcraving.com/dynda/jim/rd/mark/meter.jpg
a few caps:
http://www.speedcraving.com/dynda/jim/rd/mark/caps.jpg
And a shit load of wire RCA's, etc.
http://www.speedcraving.com/dynda/jim/rd/mark/wire.jpg
If you get them at a great price go with them, mount them as high as you can and keep them cool!

[Parker]

Lots of great suggestions, but you should have someone look at the boat and space requirements and limitations that you have. If you like we can look at everything and offer complete solutions, ie. what will work together, what's good, what is not, how it will mount, and complete installation suggestions.
Dave
951-454-1946

[Essex29]

Here are some pics of the boats interior...
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/1077DSCN0360-med.JPG
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/1077DSCN0361.JPG
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/1077DSCN0362.JPG
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/1077DSCN0363.JPG
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/1077DSCN0364.JPG

[Essex29]

Hey Whipped check your pm's

[Essex29]

anyone care to take a look at the pics I posted and comment.....summer is coming up!

[riverbound]

anyone care to take a look at the pics I posted and comment.....summer is coming up!
I would definitely take Parker up on his offer, His service manager is one of the top ranked installers in the US. And his guys are very knowledgable. They can get you set up and ready for the summer. My boat is going back in to them for a little upgrade :D

[Essex29]

I would definitely take Parker up on his offer, His service manager is one of the top ranked installers in the US. And his guys are very knowledgable. They can get you set up and ready for the summer. My boat is going back in to them for a little upgrade :D
After buying the boat I'm a little tapped out...I'm going to try it out on my own (with some solid advice of course). :rolleyes:

[riverbound]

After buying the boat I'm a little tapped out...I'm going to try it out on my own (with some solid advice of course). :rolleyes:
All it would cost to go down there and get some advice would be the price of gas.

[Parker]

Goose,
Come on down, (when the sun comes out), bring all of the equipment that you have, and let's lay it all out and see what you need to do. If you want to install the system yourself lets just make sure that you get started in the right direction so that you don't end up having to bring it in for me to fix... :D :D :D

[Essex29]

Goose,
Come on down, (when the sun comes out), bring all of the equipment that you have, and let's lay it all out and see what you need to do. If you want to install the system yourself lets just make sure that you get started in the right direction so that you don't end up having to bring it in for me to fix... :D :D :D
thanks for the offer, it's just too damn far!
My buddy is going to do the install, but he is out of town for a couple more weeks..actually, he used to work for al & ed's in thousand oaks and the valley.
I'll post some ideas I had a later and would appreciate any feedback.
tarek

[Whipped Caliber]

TheGreyGoose, here's some pics of the cooling for the amps.
http://www.irnoyfb.com/wc/amp4.jpg
http://www.irnoyfb.com/wc/amp5.jpg
Vent with fan
http://www.irnoyfb.com/wc/vent1.jpg
Vent cover!
http://www.irnoyfb.com/wc/vent2.jpg
http://www.irnoyfb.com/wc/fan.jpg
Fan cover

[Essex29]

You could run them all at 4 ohm, but the speakers would only get 50 watts each.
That would still be a step up from what you have, but if you want to give them more power, you could go with a couple amps rated at 150 watts at 2 ohms- that would give you 75 watts per speaker.
Better yet, how about a couple 4 channel amps rated at 100 watts x 4 @ 4 ohms? :cool:
It's only money...
Hey, the 800.4 is rated at 100 watts x 4 @4 ohms!

[phebus]

Hey, the 800.4 is rated at 100 watts x 4 @4 ohms!
I'm using the RF 800.4 to power 4 pair of 6x9's (8 speakers) which gives me 100w x 8 at 2 ohms (channels wired in parrallel). Sounds great, but will get hot without fans.

[Havasu Hangin']

Hey, the 800.4 is rated at 100 watts x 4 @4 ohms!
Is that a Power or a Punch? :idea:

[phebus]

The Punch 800.4 is rated at 100 watts x 4 RMS continuous per channel both channels driven into a 4 ohm load. I don't have the specs on the Power.

[Essex29]

Is that a Power or a Punch? :idea:
It's a Punch :boxingguy

[phebus]

Look like one of theese? One is a Punch 800.4, the other is a Power 1500. About 3 years old vintage.
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/1753Carrera_1204_009-med.jpg

[Essex29]

Look like one of theese? One is a Punch 800.4, the other is a Power 1500. About 3 years old vintage.
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/1753Carrera_1204_009-med.jpg
yup, that's the one

[ROZ]

Look like one of theese? One is a Punch 800.4, the other is a Power 1500. About 3 years old vintage.
He said vintage :D

[riverbound]

Look like one of theese? One is a Punch 800.4, the other is a Power 1500. About 3 years old vintage.
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/1753Carrera_1204_009-med.jpg
Vintage????
I had an original Power 1000 (The shoe box) Now thats vintage. It was in my pontoon boat until about a year ago.