Name that sled.

[72Hallett]

Name the builder and does anyone have info on it.
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[Squeezing Spectra]

I like it :)

[Marty Gras]

Looks like a Tarva/ Mr. ED/ Cheyenne. Can you get the VIN#'s ? That will tell who made it.

[Sangerboy]

Looks like a DiMarco to me, if it's for sale Smalls might be interested also. Looks pretty clean.

[steveo143]

It is definitely not a DiMarco.
steveo143 aka dimarco21 II

[Kurtis500]

Looks similar to my Howard.

[72Hallett]

Looks similar to my Howard.
You are correct. It is a 1979 21' Howard. I believe it has the same bottom as a 20.5 Spectre and a similar bottom to the Schiada River Cruiser. I just bought it and wanted to get info on this boat if anyone has any. How do they ride, turn, and how fast with about 550 hp? Thanks, Jeff

[olbiezer]

heres a thread recently here on the boards that inkantrol did about his
http://www2.***boat.com/forums/showthread.php?t=109856

[superdave013]

Name the builder and does anyone have info on it.
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21' schiada
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/1503schiada_21.JPG

[superdave013]

I think the schaida's have a little deeper v then the howards. But I could be wrong. Nice looking boat you picked up.

[72Hallett]

Thanks, keep it coming.

[Itsahobby]

Didn't Wilkes build some 21' daycrusiers? Or, did they just Rig them?
Hobby

[old rigger]

You are correct. It is a 1979 21' Howard. I believe it has the same bottom as a 20.5 Spectre and a similar bottom to the Schiada River Cruiser. I just bought it and wanted to get info on this boat if anyone has any. How do they ride, turn, and how fast with about 550 hp? Thanks, Jeff
Well you're right about the Spectra connection. Howard was the first (of many, many, many) builders to splash the Spectra. He may well have been the only one to call them up and tell them he was going to do it though. lol
Later he tooled up a deck that had straight gunnales like the Schiada, and he also offered the boat with a whaler deck on it.
As far as a Schiada connection, only in looks.
Nice boat, congrats!

[FrznJim]

Since if have both hulls, I measured them. They are quite similar but not the same;
81Schiada RC, 77Howard:
Transom width at bottom: 76.5", 77.5"
Transom width at deck: 87.5", 85.5"
Depth of Vee: 9", 8"
Overall length: 20'-8", 20'-10"
If the ice ever goes out on our lake, we'll see how they compare in speed as the power is similar. Carbed Gentry/RaceAero in the Schiada and EFI Gentry/RaceAero in the Howard. Jim Lange at Hi-Tech rerigged the Howard, changed strut/prop location etc so I won't have to worry about the nose going over at speed.

[HM]

Didn't Wilkes build some 21' daycrusiers? Or, did they just Rig them?
Hobby
He has a mold for a 21 daycruiser that he calls Silverwing. I don't know any history on these hulls. He will still build them today. I beleive he has a 19' or 20' Rayson GN mold...I think it is 19'. He also rigs a shitload of cruisers, or actually, re-rigs. Jim's rigging abilities on v-drives is top notch, and he likes the rigging to bling - but function is #1. I saw him rig a Cougar 21 MTR that was effin sick. Probably a tad overkill on the engineering, but I think the MTR had a 1200 HP twin turbo monstor put in....so overkill was required.
My next boat is a 22 MTR and mr Wilkes will be rigging it. I just got to get him to take it easy on the Mexican Food so he lives long enough to rig it. Well, and he is a family friend too, so we would like to see him stick around in general. :D

[72Hallett]

21' schiada
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/1503schiada_21.JPG
You shouldn't put something so beautiful next to mine. Dave, that thing is awesome and I'll i've seen is the stern. I've heard and read alot about it. Can't wait to see it in the water.

[78Southwind]

I'll give ya $5,500 for it right now. :220v: :rollside: If not can I start the new thread for you.
Clean 72 Hallett less engine $5,500
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[Kurtis500]

You are correct. It is a 1979 21' Howard. I believe it has the same bottom as a 20.5 Spectre and a similar bottom to the Schiada River Cruiser. I just bought it and wanted to get info on this boat if anyone has any. How do they ride, turn, and how fast with about 550 hp? Thanks, Jeff
A very good boat! It goes through the rough like a dream. Especially under full power. Mine does about 55mph, maybe 60 with the new prop I'm putting on and thats plenty fast for me. The prop never unloads in the rough water like the jets, the faster you go in the rough the smoother it rides. It turns fairly well, but give yourself some room its no circle boat. Reverse is just that, give yourself some room there too it doesn't steer very well. Dont try to reverse off the ramp through a bunch of boats in a crosswind. I would weld some bunks on the side of the trailer like the other photo on here, it will make trailering the boat sooo much easier in the wind and in tight places.

[VD CRUISER]

I thought it looked like a Howard,(Spectra), I 've had two of them, currently have a 1983. When it was fairly new, with about 530 hp, I could get about 80 mph out of it if I reallly let it fly,( plate up). It rides pretty good, but not as smooth as the Schiada.

[72Hallett]

Thanks vd cruiser and Kurtis. This helps. I'm going to be moving my engine from my 72 hallett v-drive into this Howard. I'm anxious to see how it rides in comparison to my Hallett.

[VD CRUISER]

Good luck, In my opinion, its a darn nice boat. I haven't been without one since about 1975. If you add a blown motor later you may have to make a few changes to get it to perform really well. Like blueprint the bottom and change the strut angle and location.

[72Hallett]

VD Cruiser or whoever is in the know,
Today I pulled the floor boards and realized that there are only 2 full length stringers. I assumed there would be 4, but I know It's typical for Howards to have the belly tanks which would make it difficult to have 4. Is that how all of these were layed up?

[VD CRUISER]

Yes, thats how both of mine were layed up. I think when Howard Brown owned the company he did them all like that. I haven't actually seen the inside of one made by the new owner. My 74 was more of a tank than my 83, lots of fiberglass in that boat.

[lucky]

HOwards - do have two full leanth stringers -- with fiberglass tanks -- If you ever have to put tanks in -- I have learned that you should cut the tops off of the old tanks and install the new tanks inside the old casings ( the belly tanks are designed as part of the bottom .) I have one with a very mild bb - with a 177 blower on it - still been messing with the set up as it was all mesed up - boat was origially set up with a 1000hp turbo motor - and replaced with a junk yard 396 when i took delevery of it -- ( took it out once and geranede it :) ) I put the 468 in it and have been doing everything slowly ( money ) be interesting to gps it .I would estimate it's running around 70mph - and its set up on the fat side ( carb ) Its hard for me to tell as its a larger boat than i'm use to and they're not slot cars -- I have passed my old mans jet boat He had two people and i had 6 and 50 galllons of fuel - ice chest - skie's -- ect --
468 chev, alum heads - hyd cam - lightings mag, turbo 400 - c 500 with 15 in it ( origialy had 29s ) 11.5 x14 x1 three blade - looking for a 11.5 x15 three blade - i think you either set these things up as family cruisers to run mid seventies , or you move the engine up and set them up as ski racers to run the tripples -- but i'm still on a colision course with my wallet :) so don't listen to me . lol

[old rigger]

Yes, thats how both of mine were layed up. I think when Howard Brown owned the company he did them all like that. I haven't actually seen the inside of one made by the new owner. My 74 was more of a tank than my 83, lots of fiberglass in that boat.
I think that you'd have to hold a gun to Gene's head now to get him to build a 21 v-drive, he didn't like building them when I was rigging for him back in the early 90's. And now that he's moved on to much bigger, faster, (not to mention his own design) boats, the the 20's a dead duck. In fact the molds were for sale a few years ago. Don't know if anyone bellied up to the 50K he wanted or not. I was interested in them until I heard the price tag. But that includes a few different decks for that bottom too and the tooling was top notch.
But to answer your question, the boats layed up by Gene the 'new' owner, comming up on 20 years as the new owner, were exactly the same as when Howard Brown was building them, very heavy boats with way more glass than any other builder came close to using (to me a good thing, they rode fantastic and were rock solid) and he still used the old fiberglasss floor tanks, which were layed up at the shop along side the hull and deck.
They're not belly tanks, belly tanks go between the stringers. :)

[superdave013]

You shouldn't put something so beautiful next to mine. Dave, that thing is awesome and I'll i've seen is the stern. I've heard and read alot about it. Can't wait to see it in the water.
yeah, the only thing wrong with it is it's not mine. lol

[VD CRUISER]

Damn, its hard to believe Gene has owned that deal for 20 years, time sure does fly.
Old Rigger, what years did you work for Howard Brown, or did you ?

[old rigger]

Only worked for Gene and Brett Park. They were partners in the beginning when Howard sold out, I don't know what happened to make Brett leave (well, I do, but it's old news, lol). Brett came from Cole and was a fantastic v-drive guy, taught me a lot about rigging them. My history was jets, I/Os and outboards before that with a few v-drives at Advantage mixed in.
When I was a kid Howard Brown lived 6 doors down and for time in the late 60's rented a house from my parents. I'd see him on a regular basis when I worked at Rogers, running up to his shop for one thing or another and shooting the bull with his rigger, John. Or Howard would be down at Rogers hanging out, spreading the bullshit pretty thick. Cool guy. All the boat builders knew one another pretty well in our little part of the world back then. All within a ride on my old stingray bike, on any given Saturday I could hit, Tahiti (see my dad), Weiman's (and later Rogers), Howards, Wriedt, DragonCraft, Don Kirbys glass shop, Gayon/Hill racing engines, Glen L designs (see what was being built in the wood shop), Chuck Sterns water skis, Brad water skis (still have my last old wood Brad) and so on. Let me tell you, it was a very magical thing to be a little snot nose kid, and hanging out in these shops and watching these men, some of who were more or less my heros, building boats, water skis and engines. It was almost a forgone conclusion that I'd be building boats someday. Which was fine by me. From the first time I smelled resin fumes when my dad went to work for Tahiti in '66, I was hooked. :) Even now when I visit a shop and the smell hits me, I get a warm fuzzy feeling.

[VD CRUISER]

Damn Rigger, that must have been too cool hanging out with those guys. Know what you mean about smelling the resin, when I went to look at the first flatbottom I ever bought,(a Stevens), it was in a wharehouse, and when we opened the door that resin smell was something I will never forget. Howard was quite a character wasn't he. I wondered why Brett left Gene, but never heard why. I met both of them at the shop when they were still together.

[Riverkid]

Only worked for Gene and Brett Park. They were partners in the beginning when Howard sold out, I don't know what happened to make Brett leave (well, I do, but it's old news, lol). Brett came from Cole and was a fantastic v-drive guy, taught me a lot about rigging them.
Brett was a ten. Good man. Whatever happened to him? Where did he go from there? He had skills...