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jlnorthrup122
02-17-2005, 07:40 PM
I am woundering if anyone here would be interested in purchasing custom wakeboard towers for their boats. I am open to building to your specific dimentions and style! they will be made of 2" round aluminum tubing 1/8" wall thickness. I have lifted 5,000 lb grain bodies on a single section of this very tubing so the towers will be more than strong enough for its purpose! also could high mirror finnish or powdercoat to your color your choice! or could send it to you in mill finnish for a lower price!
If interested call Joe @ 319-373-1606 (Iowa) also can custom build aluminum tanks to your specs as well! or PM me Thanks

Mandelon
02-17-2005, 07:44 PM
I'd be interested but it needs to be removeable. I want to be able to remove it, pull four pins, and have just the mounting brackets stay on the boat. They all seem to cost a couple grand plus..... :jawdrop:

Badger301
02-17-2005, 07:55 PM
I'd be interested also. Have you made any before? Do you have any pics or would you pretty much go with my design? In other words would I show you a pic and say make me this?

jlnorthrup122
02-17-2005, 07:57 PM
I could probably do something for you for well under a grand! these wakeboard tower manufacturers are raping people with there prices! come up with a design and (or) location layout for the mounting pad locations measure to center point of the mounting location. can get any size mounting pad wouldn't go any smaller than a 4" round pad or a 2"x4" rectangle pad! after getting your dimentions I will quote you a price the common towers run a 75 degree agle on their risers!

cc322
02-17-2005, 08:00 PM
Mandelon I got a Air Boom that would look great on your boat dark blue and in new condition, also have all mounting hardware plus two wakeboard holders. I have never used it .Just a thought :idea:

jlnorthrup122
02-17-2005, 08:01 PM
I'd be interested also. Have you made any before? Do you have any pics or would you pretty much go with my design? In other words would I show you a pic and say make me this?
These will be my first towers but have a continous 8 years fabricating and design experience. I would take your design and make sure it is structuraly sound and go from there.

summerlove
02-17-2005, 08:14 PM
These will be my first towers but have a continous 8 years fabricating and design experience. I would take your design and make sure it is structuraly sound and go from there.
how's that boat project of your's coming along? Hopefully the towers won't take as long.... ;)

jlnorthrup122
02-17-2005, 08:24 PM
how's that boat project of your's coming along? Hopefully the towers won't take as long....
the towers won't take as long as the boat project is taking! A simple tower should only take me about 4 hrs to lay out cut, cope, bend, and weld up!
As for Procrastinations is going can molassis be any more suddle! :D ran into a problem with the nose acting like a brake whe she dips into a wake! not good but not a problem to revize!

h2oski2fast
02-17-2005, 10:28 PM
I'd be interested but it needs to be removeable. I want to be able to remove it, pull four pins, and have just the mounting brackets stay on the boat. They all seem to cost a couple grand plus..... :jawdrop:
Hey Mande,
You can get a hold of my buddy, he's in Poway. He has been doing custom towers for a couple of years now. His company is DBG Concepts 858-735-5145, his name is Gary. Tell him Dennis w/ Sign FX sent ya. It'll probably be under $2k. Here's a picture of his boat that I did graphics on. And a tower that he finished for it right before we left to the riv.
http://www.hillbankusa.com/signfx/dbgboat/dbgcardfront.jpg

jlnorthrup122
02-19-2005, 04:54 PM
Originally posted by h2oski2fast:
You can get a hold of my buddy, he's in Poway. He has been doing custom towers for a couple of years now. His company is DBG Concepts 858-735-5145, his name is Gary. Tell him Dennis w/ Sign FX sent ya. It'll probably be under $2k. Here's a picture of his boat that I did graphics on. And a tower that he finished for it right before we left to the riv.http://www.hillbankusa.com/signfx/dbgboat/dbgcardfront.jpg
"It'll probably be under $2k." Bro I hope your not talking about the tower in the pic being under 2k!!!! MY cost to build that very tower in material would be under $200.00 and 4 hrs time! See this is what I mean by wakeboard tower manufacterers raping people! :hammer2:

got river?
02-19-2005, 09:15 PM
The tower companies may make a good margin off the towers they build, but a little known fact is that Correct Craft holds a patent on towers and any company out there that builds and sells towers is required by law to pay a royalty to Correct Craft. That cost of course is passed along to the consumer. In addition, a surprising amount of design goes into building and perfecting a tower that will support the stresses it will go through, not rattle and shake, etc. Plus liability issues.
If you can do it on the side like you propose and offer a good deal, should make some good bucks.
Josh

h2oski2fast
02-19-2005, 10:31 PM
"It'll probably be under $2k." Bro I hope your not talking about the tower in the pic being under 2k!!!! MY cost to build that very tower in material would be under $200.00 and 4 hrs time! See this is what I mean by wakeboard tower manufacterers raping people! :hammer2:
Material for under $200, yeah if your buddy backdoors it out the back of supply house, or it fell off the delivery truck. I guess that doesn't include the billet aluminum ends that hold the hyme joints, or the brackets that are used to mount it to the boat. Also, I love to see you build a "Quality" custom fitted tower in 4 hours. Before you start lowballing prices you might also think about liability for the towers you build.
I built this and it has over $100 in aluminum tube material:
http://www.hillbankusa.com/signfx/coolercart/DSC01852.jpg
Here's other tower pics:
http://www.hillbankusa.com/signfx/dbgboat/Picture%20373.jpg
http://www.hillbankusa.com/signfx/dbgboat/Picture%20438.jpg
http://www.hillbankusa.com/signfx/dbgboat/PICS%20018.jpg
http://www.hillbankusa.com/signfx/dbgboat/Picture%20206.jpg
http://www.hillbankusa.com/signfx/dbgboat/Picture%20489.jpg
http://www.hillbankusa.com/signfx/dbgboat/Picture%20442.jpg
If you can build then for around $350, then I should get in the business and buy them from you and turn them for a big profit. :cool:

bigd1
02-20-2005, 05:32 AM
Correct Craft is agressive about going after tower manufacturers. I think they did or nearly put Boss out of business over it.

superdave013
02-20-2005, 06:08 AM
What you should do is build a few of them. Get them installed and test them. Then post pics of your work and your price points.

Magic34
02-20-2005, 08:34 AM
Correct Craft is agressive about going after tower manufacturers. I think they did or nearly put Boss out of business over it.
We own the patent on all wakeboard and ski racks. We haven't been as aggressive as correct craft in enforcing it, but that will change.

jlnorthrup122
02-20-2005, 05:45 PM
I built this and it has over $100 in aluminum tube material:
http://www.hillbankusa.com/signfx/coolercart/DSC01852.jpg
How much are you paying for your aluminum????? :jawdrop: I estamate that there is 25' to 30' of 1" round tubing in that cart that would be 2 20' sticks of tubing and I am guessing that it is 1/8" wall by the welds on it, and thos 2 sticks would cost me $18.00 apeice! totaling less than $40.00 with over 10' of drop! man I am glad I don't live in calli if your paying $50.00 for something that I can get for under $20.00!
It looks like I need to check out the Us Patent databank to find a way around these pattents before I make a tower!

Rexone
02-20-2005, 06:21 PM
We own the patent on all wakeboard and ski racks.
That's a pretty broad statement (not saying isn't true). What's your patent # I'd like to check it out.

Mandelon
02-20-2005, 08:00 PM
Seem like a pretty big descrepancy in prices. Running the biz costs a lot more than just buying the materials. Rent, phones, personnel, insurance, advertising, storage, yadda yadda, etc.....I know first hand about that.

jlnorthrup122
02-20-2005, 08:52 PM
Originaly posted by Mandelon:
Seem like a pretty big descrepancy in prices. Running the biz costs a lot more than just buying the materials. Rent, phones, personnel, insurance, advertising, storage, yadda yadda, etc.....I know first hand about that.
Yep I know all about the overhead as well! Your overhead can cost you the bid if you get carried away with your facilaties! You don't need a contemparary bldg to have a fab shop! seen a few business' go under that way when Joe Shmoe is operating out of a tin machine shed at a 10th of the overhead!!! ;)

superdave013
02-20-2005, 09:14 PM
That's a pretty broad statement (not saying isn't true). What's your patent # I'd like to check it out.
lol, i hear ya on that one. When I read that I thought of the ski rack on my dad's old Starcraft.

schiada96
02-20-2005, 09:49 PM
Yep I know all about the overhead as well! Your overhead can cost you the bid if you get carried away with your facilaties! You don't need a contemparary bldg to have a fab shop! seen a few business' go under that way when Joe Shmoe is operating out of a tin machine shed at a 10th of the overhead!!! ;)
hey that's me joe schmoe

Dr. Eagle
02-20-2005, 09:49 PM
I'd be interested but it needs to be removeable. I want to be able to remove it, pull four pins, and have just the mounting brackets stay on the boat. They all seem to cost a couple grand plus..... :jawdrop:
Sorry guys, but I think that's the perfect way to ruin a nice boat. I hate the look of those damn things. Makes it harder to pick out John Law too... :wink:

Froggystyle
02-21-2005, 07:44 AM
That's a pretty broad statement (not saying isn't true). What's your patent # I'd like to check it out.
And that will be the last you hear about that... ;)

Magic34
02-21-2005, 08:15 AM
That's a pretty broad statement (not saying isn't true). What's your patent # I'd like to check it out.
I'll look it up an send it to you. We are Wake Designs.

Sherpa
02-21-2005, 08:36 AM
does Wake-Designs know who owns Boss-?
I have a hard time thinking they own the patent on wake board towers.
--Sherpa
I wanna see the patent # also..........
(Calling Rio tomorrow)...................

Magic34
02-21-2005, 09:03 AM
does Wake-Designs know who owns Boss-?
I have a hard time thinking they own the patent on wake board towers.
--Sherpa
I wanna see the patent # also..........
(Calling Rio tomorrow)...................
Correct Craft (Nautique) owns the patent on towers. Wake Designs did the racks.
I'm new to the business, but my partner started the company.

superdave013
02-21-2005, 09:09 AM
Correct Craft (Nautique) owns the patent on towers. Wake Designs did the racks.
I'm new to the business, but my partner started the company.
here you go, most of the time there is allot more of a selection to choose from. Go get 'em tiger!
wake board racks (http://search.ebay.com/wake-board-rack_W0QQsofocusZbsQQsbrftogZ1QQfromZR10QQcatrefZC 6QQftrtZ1QQftrvZ1QQsadisZ200QQfsopZ1QQfsooZ1)

Sherpa
02-21-2005, 04:30 PM
I have a hard time understanding that a boat company could actually obtain
a patent on the "application" for a "ski-tow" design................
who built the first tourny boats-? did they have a patent on ski-pylons-?
I think the whole "wake-board-tower" design began by some poor misguided
youth from florida or something who only had his daddy's old ocean boat to
ski behind, and that boat had a TUNA tower on it..............
this whole debate is reminiscent of jeeps/ford broncos/chevy blazers all
coming factory equipped with roll bars........... did one of them hold a patent
on a roll bar installed in a factory truck-? I wanna see the patent file copy.
guess the ole Missouri thing............... show me.
--Sherpa

jlnorthrup122
02-21-2005, 07:09 PM
Originally posted by superdave013:
here you go, most of the time there is allot more of a selection to choose from. Go get 'em tiger!
ROTFLMAO!!!! That is just to funny!!!! :D :D :lightsabe

Goodtime$
02-21-2005, 08:20 PM
From what i know from all the bro bra shreds and boat owners guy guys is that Boss didnt want to pay Nautiques for there back pay owed on the patent, i believe it is around $200 a tower or so, so Nautiques, along with there over priced boats is not hurting. There new production facility due online next years will prove so.
I am not sure if Malibu has to pay, since there new tower mounts solid in two points on the boat, not 4? just curious.
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Goodtime$
02-21-2005, 08:25 PM
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Rexone
02-21-2005, 08:51 PM
I wanna see the patent file copy.
guess the ole Missouri thing............... show me.
--Sherpa
That one's true, here's the number... 6,374,762
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect2=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2Fsearch-bool.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&d=PALL&RefSrch=yes&Query=PN%2F6374762

Magic34
03-14-2005, 02:12 PM
And that will be the last you hear about that... ;)
Patent info on those racks you questioned me about.
Wakeboard racks (http://www.wakedesigns.com/racks.htm)
U.S. Patent #5752638