Surface finish

[superdave013]

Not bad for a cheep O handle machine. :D You just wait until I get my hands on one of those wizzy CNC deals. lol
Off to polish and anno. I'm going to second opp them with a design after the black anno.
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/48corner_rounding.JPG
If they look like they are all different lenghts that's because they are. Focking transom!!
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/48corners_rounded-med.JPG

[wsuwrhr]

Cool deal SD.
Wait about a year and you can buy my Kitamura.
Brian

[Jake W2]

Super D nothing like making it your self.Sweet
Jake

[schiada96]

Not bad for a cheep O handle machine. :D You just wait until I get my hands on one of those wizzy CNC deals. lol
Off to polish and anno. I'm going to second opp them with a design after the black anno.
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/48corner_rounding.JPG
If they look like they are all different lenghts that's because they are. Focking transom!!
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/48corners_rounded-med.JPG
Anyone can make stuff on a cnc. It takes talent to make stuff on a hand cranker.

[Rexone]

Nice work Dave, I guess you ain't using those ol ones lol...
The second pic is a little small, loads way too fast, maybe get your file size up a bit next time.. :wink:

[superdave013]

Mike, I would like to use them but well, you know the story about those. The replacements were very nice but the lighting slot kept me from milling them to fit the big crown in the transom.
I knew you were going to get on me about the file size but I'm showing off the detail man. C'Mon!

[Dimarco21]

Anyone can make stuff on a cnc.
Anyone?.....I don't think so. It's like getting your boat painted, do want an Earl Schibe $99. special or a Billy B. custom. There both paint jobs right?
I agree what Super Dave created on a manual machine is too cool. The way he fixtured his part on the rotary tabe to profile and corner round all in one set up. There is alot of math to figure out. But not just anyone is going to make that part in the CNC.

[superdave013]

I did the fixture for a few reasons. #1 is I didn't want to set up 10 parts (5 parts but both side)
#2 When they come back from the anodizer I can pop them back on the same fixture to profile the insides.
My background is in Laser Electo Optics and I've done alot of optical set ups. Those set ups have really helped when setting things up on the mill.
The only training I've had on machines was one class at an ROP. It was worth taking even though I flunked. For some reason my ballpeen hammer looked more like a shifter for a Lenco safedrive. ;)
I've seen some pretty wild stuff done on CNC that just the fixtures would be mind boggling to design. I think that's the part I would really get into.

[superdave013]

Dude, those look nice, how about some dimensions ? I'd be real interested if you could make me a set, I need these dimensions as a minimum, transom face to centerline(hole) 2 1/4 ", bearing hole 1 1/16"(7/8" transom bar), 2" bolt spacing on backside of transom face of block, 1 3/8" wide. Are you using 6061 T6 ? How long would it take you to make a set of (5), also are the blocks on each end enclosed so you don't see the bar ? Do not need the bearing installed.
Thanks for your info, Scott.
Those sound like they are for a Schiada also. Yes, these have the blind holes on the ends. It would not be cost effective to pay me to make you a set. Bersron (sp) has some already done but they are only 1" thick. As a matter O fact I have a set but they have been milled a little bit.
wsuwrhr, has his CNC programed already for some transom bearings. It would not take him much to change it to your dims. His are much nicer then any thing I can do on this hand cranker.

[Morg]

SD,
I am mostly impressed with the set up. I am guessing that when it came to the outside radious you just spun the work around the bit?
Good old fassion American engeneering. Thank rocks.

[superdave013]

Morg, how do you think they did it back in the day man. This is nothing new at all. I think it kinda gets a wow factor just because everyone just thinks CNC and computers these days. I say it over and over, if you want to see some bad ass machine work just look at any WW2 era airplane. I went to the Dayton Air Force museum and spent hours just thinking of how hard it must have been to make some of that stuff.
Quick rundown:
Find center ot table
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/48rotory_table_set_up-med.JPG
Center the fixture:
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/48rotory_table_set_up1-med.JPG
Setting up the stops on the fixture. Had to flip the part around to set the other stop too.
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/48rotory_table_set_up2-med.JPG
First pass:
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/48first_pass-med.JPG
And there you have it:
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/48last_pass-med.JPG

[*BN*]

I knew you were going to get on me about the file size but I'm showing off the detail man. C'Mon!
It isn't the size of the picture (really), it is where it is hosted at. 680k file should download "SHIZAM". Almost every picture I notive downloading slowly are placed where yours are.
Don't get me wrong, I love the detail but that host over there has just over dial up for upload. :notam:

[superdave013]

It isn't the size of the picture (really), it is where it is hosted at. 680k file should download "SHIZAM". Almost every picture I notive downloading slowly are placed where yours are.
Don't get me wrong, I love the detail but that host over there has just over dial up for upload. :notam:
ok, do you know of a better free host that lets you hot link?

[*BN*]

Sorry I don't since I have my own website to post stuff.
I was only trying to point out, the file size was not the issue.
Really enjoy seeing your workmanship.

[old rigger]

Dave,
that hardware looks great. You're one talented bastard.
That's funny about your transom being a little out of plumb. My dads buddy back in the day, mid 60's, had a Kindsvater that he bought as a bare hull and they rigged it at home. Same thing with the transom with that deal, it gave the guys brother-in-law, who just retired as a machinest (tool and die guy) quite a workout building parts like you did. I think your stuff is waaaaay nicer though.
Have you tried Photobucket for hosting pictures? I use it and haven't had any problems.

[Rexone]

Actually the 690K pic does slow stuff down. way down cause the ***boat server sucks. We had a string of em goin in the wild vdrive thread awhile back hosted in the image center and took forever for the page to load. btw you can resample that image at the same physical size (pixels) to a lower file size and prolly never tell the rez diff onscreen. print yes, onscreen doubtful. one image ain't too bad but if we get a string of em we're in trouble.

[wsuwrhr]

Anyone can make stuff on a cnc. It takes talent to make stuff on a hand cranker.
Yea I kinda take offense to that too.
Brian

[Morg]

SD,
Thanks for laying that setup out. Amazing how simple things are when you see how they are done.
I spent 5 hours looking at an Baldwin steam locomotive. Sort of the same thing. When you really looked into how everything worked it was actually verry simple.
Brian,
It is my feeling that in no way CNC machining is simple. Its quite an amazing thing that has opened up huge avanues of ways to machine parts. I sort of think of it in the same way computer special effects has changed movie making. They actually jumped the General Lee. If the Dukes were on today the car would never leave the ground. They would probably have to "enhance" Daisy to make her as nice to, Ca'mon

[superdave013]

Yea I kinda take offense to that too.
Brian
Dude, you and Dimarco21 just push the go button and then watch through the window. lol You fockers know I'm kidding.

[wsuwrhr]

Dude, you and Dimarco21 just push the go button and then watch through the window. lol You fockers know I'm kidding.
Ha ha,
But what you do BEFORE you push the button is where the thinking goes on.
Not to take away from what you do SD. I have told you several times that you have a talent untapped. I am amazed at how well you do at machining with very little training or formal experience.
Brian

[wsuwrhr]

Dude, you and Dimarco21 just push the go button and then watch through the window. lol You fockers know I'm kidding.
Watch through the window? Are you kidding? I am in the house, weeding/mowing the yard, having a beer, who knows.
Watching the machine run is so boring.
;) ;) :sleeping: :sleeping:
Brian

[superdave013]

Watch through the window? Are you kidding? I am in the house, weeding/mowing the yard, having a beer, who knows.
Watching the machine run is so boring.
;) ;) :sleeping: :sleeping:
Brian
I bet you sit on your ass and watch "Ellen" :D

[wsuwrhr]

I bet you sit on your ass and watch "Ellen" :D
You're kidding right?
I sit on my ass and post on ***boat.
Wait until I put a computer in the garage. ;) ;)
Brian

[beaverfab]

Looks good Dave do you need a job........ Need help. ;)

[lucky]

Dave Those Turned Out Great As Usual - You Are The Bomb -

[haulina29]

SD after anodizing and your second op how do you protect the raw material from the elements ? I have thought about doing this on some JR Dragster stuff and had thought about polishing the detail work with a dremel . Mitch

[schiada96]

Anyone?.....I don't think so. It's like getting your boat painted, do want an Earl Schibe $99. special or a Billy B. custom. There both paint jobs right?
I agree what Super Dave created on a manual machine is too cool. The way he fixtured his part on the rotary tabe to profile and corner round all in one set up. There is alot of math to figure out. But not just anyone is going to make that part in the CNC.
Ok let me reply. Alot of people can make that part on a cnc I've got 10 of them at this facility. We use Gibbs software and Amada for our sheetmetal. The talent pool we have here has no old school knowledge. If I gave instruction to make it on the one of the lagun mills I'd have a part with tool marks all over it. Don't get me wrong there are parts that would take alot of time to make on a manual machine. But the right guy can make alot of stuff look like they were made on a cnc.

[superdave013]

SD after anodizing and your second op how do you protect the raw material from the elements ? I have thought about doing this on some JR Dragster stuff and had thought about polishing the detail work with a dremel . Mitch
I'll just have to rub on it I guess.
You should not have much problem with the dragster as it won't sit in the water. I just love the contrast.
Here is a chain guide I made for my old downhill bike.
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/48outter_plate_on_mill-med.jpg
2 years later after it's been to hell and back it still looks ok.
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/1503X_overall.jpg

[superdave013]

Speaking of Jr. Dragsters, I could not imagin how much it costs to build a winning car.
I was just looking at Nick Wood's Clay Smith Cams car the other day. Must be an ocean of money in that thing.

[Norseman]

Dave;
Looks Great!!!!
You do some nice work!!!! :D :D

[GofastRacer]

Morg, how do you think they did it back in the day man. This is nothing new at all. I think it kinda gets a wow factor just because everyone just thinks CNC and computers these days. I say it over and over, if you want to see some bad ass machine work just look at any WW2 era airplane. I went to the Dayton Air Force museum and spent hours just thinking of how hard it must have been to make some of that stuff.
Quick rundown:
Find center ot table
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/48rotory_table_set_up-med.JPG
Center the fixture:
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/48rotory_table_set_up1-med.JPG
Setting up the stops on the fixture. Had to flip the part around to set the other stop too.
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/48rotory_table_set_up2-med.JPG
First pass:
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/48first_pass-med.JPG
And there you have it:
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/48last_pass-med.JPG
One of these days I'm gonna have to get me a round table, hey you got an extra one laying around that you don't need!. :D :D

[GofastRacer]

ok, do you know of a better free host that lets you hot link?
You might try this place!..
Image Shack! (http://imageshack.us/)

[steveo143]

Thanks for the pictures of the set up. I'll be doing my own for my parts for my Dimarco21 resoration. Just got my old Wells Index tuned up and ready to make some chips.
Steveo143 aka dimarco21 II.

[Dimarco21]

Ok let me reply. Alot of people can make that part on a cnc I've got 10 of them at this facility. We use Gibbs software and Amada for our sheetmetal. The talent pool we have here has no old school knowledge. If I gave instruction to make it on the one of the lagun mills I'd have a part with tool marks all over it. Don't get me wrong there are parts that would take alot of time to make on a manual machine. But the right guy can make alot of stuff look like they were made on a cnc.
Schiada96, My point was not just "anyone" can make that part on a cnc. I think the talent pool has dropped dramatically over the last 20 years in the machinist trade. The majority of shops have a few key machinists who work the problems out and make shit happen and a boat load of operators/button pushers. Who get the job done when everything is planned out prior to machining the part i.e. manufacturing process, necessary tooling, material gathering and a good working program, but lack the skills if a problem arises. CNC's have made part manufacturing very simple as compared to the same part on a manual machine but not just anyone can produce a correct part on a cnc.

[haulina29]

http://www2.***boat.com/image_center/data/505/131Dsc01406.jpg You could easily build a big car for the price of a state of the art junior . We are leaving friday for a race in Albany Georgia and on the way home we will hit Bakersfield and Sacramento a nice 6k mile jaunt in two weeks. I will probably see Woods in Bakersfield Mitch

[superdave013]

It's a time thing for me. If you want to use the mill come on over and have at it. lol
BTW, I'm real happy with my import ACRA mill. It has a larger table, more travel and more (and faster) spindle speeds then a Bridgport.

[woodeck]

Looks good Dave,
As a home machinist myself I can appreciate the work that went in to it, whats wrong with using a Mic and Calipers instead of a CNC machine, some of us like to do it the old fashioned way as we do not have access to CNC Equip., I say use what you have who gives a Sh#$t how the rest do it, some have better equip. than others good for you, no matter what you did it your self.

[V-DRIVE VIDEO]

Looks good Dave,
As a home machinist myself I can appreciate the work that went in to it, whats wrong with using a Mic and Calipers instead of a CNC machine, some of us like to do it the old fashioned way as we do not have access to CNC Equip., I say use what you have who gives a Sh#$t how the rest do it, some have better equip. than others good for you, no matter what you did it your self.
Better slow down there chief...your almost at 10 posts. :D

[superdave013]

Looks good Dave,
As a home machinist myself I can appreciate the work that went in to it, whats wrong with using a Mic and Calipers instead of a CNC machine, some of us like to do it the old fashioned way as we do not have access to CNC Equip., I say use what you have who gives a Sh#$t how the rest do it, some have better equip. than others good for you, no matter what you did it your self.
Thanks man, you should start a new thread and show some of your work. I know I'd love to see and I'm sure others would too.
D
p.s. If you want to be impressed you should see what Morg pulls off with a router!