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Hydro-Thunder
03-29-2005, 12:32 PM
Ok this is being kicked around on another board and I thought you guys would have some input on this? Acetone In Fuel Said to Increase Mileage 15-35%? Here is the link to the article. http://pesn.com/2005/03/17/6900069_Acetone/

Sleek-Jet
03-29-2005, 12:53 PM
I knew an old guy that used to swear by Acetone in the tank... he claimed the same benifits and said he started doing it back in the 70's during the gas crunch...
I never have tried it myself...
This should get interesting.

BigDoug
03-29-2005, 03:49 PM
Very cool and informative article, im waiting for others to chime in here to see what they say about it.. :idea:

blowngas
03-29-2005, 04:13 PM
Acetone is a great degreaser also----so if you think you want to try it, you're gona need to go to the parts house and get a box of fuel filters, cause you're gona be changing them quite frequently!!!-----nobody remembers when the first no lead gas came out??----all the refinerys were adding airomatics, like benzene, tolulene, ect. to get the octane up and man did that stuff clean the crap out of the gas tanks!!!

speedaddict
03-29-2005, 06:43 PM
*edit- I decided to trim my ramblings down to: I'm doubtful this does anything.

Hydro-Thunder
03-30-2005, 05:48 AM
I dont think this has anything to do with boosting the octane. Also it seems like such a small amount 1 oz.\10 Gal. that it wold not degrease anything. No one else has anything to say about this? I thought this would have sparked something.

OkieDave
03-30-2005, 06:03 AM
It sounds too good to be true. the last 55 gallon drum of acetone I bought was only about $200. we use it to clean up with when doing fiberglass laminating. if I could simply add an ounce or two to ten gallons of gas and get more power and increased mileage, that would be SWEET! I remember when I was racing and a few guys were using propolene oxide to gain power. a small amount in the tank and it was like using nitrous. you had to richen the mixture drastically to keep from melting pistons. not very streetable. anybody here have first hand knowledge about using acetone?

roostwear
03-30-2005, 08:43 AM
I read what info was available on the internet about this, and will be trying it this weekend. We're towing out to BHC this weekend (260 miles each way) and normally get 11 mpg. I'll run 3 oz/10gal on the way out there and just gas back. The return trip shouldn't be much different as I'll have 11 gallons left from the first tank when I refill.

Hydro-Thunder
03-30-2005, 09:40 AM
I will look forward to your results. I hope it really does some good.

BigDoug
03-30-2005, 08:24 PM
Mike, if your serious about doing this (no bullshitting) then let us know your results....ok ?

GofastRacer
03-30-2005, 08:34 PM
Yes please let us know the results!..

DEL51
03-31-2005, 12:37 AM
Have a vehicle follow just in case it doesn't work.

roostwear
03-31-2005, 06:08 AM
I don't think I'll need someone to follow. The logic behind the claims it is beleivable, and the info I ve seen doesn't indicate anyone has had any problems. I'll find out this weekend.

Danhercules
03-31-2005, 08:33 AM
Ok, now who wants to try it in their Diesel? :messedup:

Pismo
03-31-2005, 08:42 AM
Read..........
http://www.donzi.net/forums/showthread.php?t=38955

roostwear
03-31-2005, 10:17 AM
People don't think anything of putting a "fuel additive" in their tank, but look at the ingredients. Benzene, toluene, alcohol, etc. At 3 ozs per 10 gallons, it's not a big deal %-wise.

Squirtin Thunder
03-31-2005, 11:07 AM
I read what info was available on the internet about this, and will be trying it this weekend. We're towing out to BHC this weekend (260 miles each way) and normally get 11 mpg. I'll run 3 oz/10gal on the way out there and just gas back. The return trip shouldn't be much different as I'll have 11 gallons left from the first tank when I refill.
Mike take my # just in case !!!!
1-928-704-1158
Jim

roostwear
03-31-2005, 11:17 AM
I will, but I have the only # I'll need..... 1-800-AAA-ITBROKE :D

BUSBY
03-31-2005, 12:09 PM
Okay ... I have a little bit of experience here. I have a degree in Mechanical Engineering and worked for Mercedes-Benz for 18 years with engine management systems (design/diagnosis/repair). So, I will give my 2 cents for what it's worth.
Lets take a look at what he is using as his sole test vehicle:
"Using the ScanGauge at 50MPH, my best mileage was 48-52 in my Neon a few weeks ago"
I got 40 mpg in my wife's C-Class on the way to Texas a couple of years ago ... w/ a larger engine than his Neon on pump gas, not a large claim in my opinion.
Lets look at what he is claiming increases the fuel mileage:
Acetone: a colorless, volatile, extremely flammable liquid ketone, with the formula CH3COCH3, widely used as an organic solvent.
This is where he lost me:
"The testing indicates best mileage is usually obtained with 85 or 87 octane gasoline. Too much octane causes a loss of power and economy. BUT too little octane causes the same things plus knocking."
Now lets look at Octane:
Octane: an isomeric paraffin hydrocarbons, with the formula C8H18, found in petroleum and used as a fuel and solvent.
So in summary:
Major oil companies as well as automotive manafacturers spend billions of dollars combined to purify their fuels and/or engine management systems to insure that they work properly in consumers vehicles without damaging parts.
If acetone was a better solvent/cleanser for fuels than octane ... I think that it would be mixed into the fuels from the oil manafacturers.
Everyone thinks that it is all about money & profits ... well it is. Oil companies do not want major law suits brought against them from automotive manafacturers/consumers for damaging internal engine components ... so they avoid mixing their fuels with chemicals that might potentially cause harm.
He also stated that it worked best with the lower pump octane ... well obviously :hammerhea ... a neon is not a very high compression engine that should run a maximum of 91 octane... he took out the solvent (octane) and then added a similar solvent (acetone) back into it resulting in running a premimum fuel again. With using the premimum fuel he started with a higher baseline and then added too much solvent, therefore breaking down the integrity of the fuel too much to burn properly.
I don't know ... but I figure that I will stick with what I feel comfortable with, running premimum fuel at the pump as it comes from the oil manafacturers. Then again, I am an Engineer so I probably tend to over-analyze everything.
I know that someone else will have somethinng to chime in on what I have said, but I just wanted to let all of those out there know that if their vehicles are under warranty and there is damage caused but additives to their fuel found by the manafacturers ... they might void the warranty, and that could be an expensive lesson. Be carefull.
Again, just my 2 cents ... I've already wasted too much time typing here.
Everyone have a good one,
BB

roostwear
03-31-2005, 01:04 PM
As I understand the theory, it is not acetone's octane or solvent properties that produce the claimed results. It is the chemical reaction between gasoline and acetone that lowers the surface tension of the gasoline vapor allowing better atomization. there are other test vehicles on other forums that have reported improvements of varying degrees, with the only common denominator of bad results being using too much acetone. With the small amount of acetone added to the fuel, I doubt there will be any ill effects. My truck is a 2001 Dodge 5.9l, so with the appetite it has for gas when towing, if there is any appreciable difference in mileage, I should notice on the trip out. From a technical perspective, an EFI engine is BEST case for this test.
Any changes to the air/fuel ratio that adding acetone creates will be compensated for by the ECU by injector pulse width and/or ignition timing.
If the government and the oil companies were looking out for the consumer, we would not have alcohol being added to fuel, or diesel costing the same as unleaded. It's just a big chess game, and you and I are the pawns.

Liberator TJ1984
03-31-2005, 02:08 PM
Roostwear ,I totally agree with you on that last statement :coffeycup
My Dad worked for Coastal States Refinery for over 30yrs. at the Port of Corpus Christi,Tx...
I remember how during the 70's " Gas Crisis" he would come home and complain how the Major Oilproducers were just playing games to get the prices up....
After work he and buddies over a few beers would always mention how many TANKERS were out in the Gulf ...FULL of Oil waiting to get the OK from the Supreme Beings ( Government ) to dock and unload....but they had to wait ??? till it was in more Demand....BTW he also used to joke how much easier they had it at work because they were only at like 40% of operating capacity....hence the shortages :notam:

BUSBY
03-31-2005, 02:08 PM
I agree, we are all pawns in the big picture. And the addition of methyl tertiary-butyl ether (MBTE) ... has been a point of huge debates and there are major lawsuits and pressure for Legislation to ban the fuel additive.
I would love to see what the results are, however, I just wanted to let those out there know a little more about the subject & what I thought ... all while trying not to step on anyones toes.
I also agree that EFI systems are the best systems to test this out with becuase they will compensate with the air/fuel mixture to the appropriate needs of the engine.
The surface tension of the fuel will almost react exactly the same though with acetone as octane due to the chemical properties that are combined in the two.
Now, with that said ... there are subtle differences between the two (isomeric saturated hydrocarbons & extremely flammable liquid ketones), and that may be where the increase in mieage is.
Again, I just wanted to put my two cents in and hope it does work ... if I see that others have done it w/ no problems, I might be swayed in the other direction.
I would love to pull my loaded 45' hauler with my F350 powerstroke 6.0 while getting better mileage, it sucks paying $2.65/gallon for diesel!!!
BB

058
03-31-2005, 03:22 PM
it sucks paying $2.65/gallon for diesel!!!
BB
Yeah, especially when the truck you are filling holds 280 gallons :mad:

Squirtin Thunder
03-31-2005, 03:31 PM
Now I am real confused !!! I was under the imperesion for many years that OCTANE is the rating of burn time not an additive. Now some additives increase Octane. Now a thinner more Vaporous or Attomized fuel will help increase fuel milage !!! Isn't that what the Tornado claims, that it helps attomise the fuel better ???
Just my thoughts
Jim

roostwear
03-31-2005, 03:44 PM
The Tornado is supposed to create a "vortex" to increase atomization. :rolleyes: Here's more of the theory I've been chewing on. The "size" of a drop of gas is relative to it's surface tension. Since gasoline itself is not flammable (it's the vapor), the smaller the drop (atomization), the more surface area, and more vapor from the same volume. Supposedly another benefit of adding acetone is it's ability to suspend water and gasoline. If this is true, I would think the benefit to us boaters would be more pronounced.
Busby, don't worry about stepping on toes... this is theory at this point, and everyones input is welcome. I'm not an expert.... I'm a guinea pig!

sanger rat
03-31-2005, 05:14 PM
Well here is some more info to take in. Be sure to check out the links too. http://www.geocities.com/runyardj/Octane-Boosters-Info.htm

GofastRacer
03-31-2005, 07:10 PM
Well I'm going to do the test, the wife drives 64 miles a day 5 days a week and averages 28mpg now, I'll do it for two weeks, I'll post the results!..

BUSBY
03-31-2005, 07:42 PM
Yeah, especially when the truck you are filling holds 280 gallons :mad:
Now that does suck!!! I bit*h about 60 gallons ... 280 ... I would be rethinking my thoughts about that guys Neon :squiggle:
BB

BUSBY
03-31-2005, 07:57 PM
Here's more of the theory I've been chewing on. The "size" of a drop of gas is relative to it's surface tension. Since gasoline itself is not flammable (it's the vapor), the smaller the drop (atomization), the more surface area, and more vapor from the same volume. Supposedly another benefit of adding acetone is it's ability to suspend water and gasoline.
Now you turned a whole new page to this thread ... this could go on for days :) , I love this kind of stuff ...
I am no chemist but Roostwear seems to be on the right track, if you split the sphere (drop) to atomize the fuel, you will also split and double the surface of the sphere (or drop) and therefore double the assistance in breaking down the surface tension ... the only question is is Acetone the best additive to assist the fuel? Now we're to the point of the start of this thread ... does it really work? Only one way to find out, right?
BB

BUSBY
03-31-2005, 08:04 PM
Busby, don't worry about stepping on toes... this is theory at this point, and everyones input is welcome. I'm not an expert.... I'm a guinea pig!
We're all guinea pigs if we run the stuff we run right, that's why we're all here in the forums, right?
I just know from other forums and watching some threads here how some can turn on others quickly, therefore, I walk lightly when it comes to others opinions/theories. I'm sure that you all know what I mean.
BB

GofastRacer
03-31-2005, 08:05 PM
Yep, do the test!.. :D

Squirtin Thunder
03-31-2005, 08:13 PM
Hell on my last trip towing I averaged 9mpg with my truck, 7.5L EFI with 464K on it so If I do this test I am looking at 2mpg that would mean 80miles further. Now that would be cool !!!

BUSBY
03-31-2005, 08:22 PM
I was under the imperesion for many years that OCTANE is the rating of burn time not an additive.
The octane rating of gasoline is a rating system telling you how much octane is inthe fuel. The amount of octane determines at what rate the fuel can be compressed before it will spontaneously ignite. The higher the octane rating, the higher resistance to spontaneously ignite from a false ingition source (carbon deposits, etc.). It is definately an additive ... with a rating system.
Now some additives increase Octane.
True ...
Now a thinner more Vaporous or Attomized fuel will help increase fuel milage !!!
I think that's it ... I wouldn't say you're too confused at all... just that the thinner more vaporous fuel has a lower surface tension while keeping the same volume of fuel. The question is ... will an EFI system try to compensate by increasing the pulse width to override or will the Acetone ignite with the same properties as the octane (isomeric paraffin hydrocarbons with the chemical formula of C8H18).
Basically, you stated in a much shorter version of what we are talking about, thanks.
BB

steelcomp
03-31-2005, 09:41 PM
I drive anywhere from 160-180 miles a day in my 97 Expedition which rarely sees over 15 mpg. Funny thing is, it still gats the same mileage it did when it was new, and it has 158000mi on it. Original w pump, alt, everything except battery and brakes is original. And believe me, I work it's ass off. :umm:
I'll give it the test next week. I have a 30 gal tank...what's a good ratio??
As much gas as I burn, even a slight improvement will be welcome.

roostwear
03-31-2005, 09:51 PM
There is a point of dimishing returns. Optimum is 2.5-3 ozs per 10 gals, although each application is different.

roostwear
04-01-2005, 12:15 PM
Went to Home Depot and bought a qt of 100% pure acetone for $5.97. I also bought a gallon (doesn't say 100% pure anywhere on it) for $12.97. I use it to prep parts for paint, so it's not like I won't use it if it doesn't work in the fuel. Tomorrow by about this time, I'll know if it works or not...........
PS- according to my calculations, with the $5.97 on the qt treating 107 gals, I need an improvement of .5 mpg to break even. :jawdrop:

BigDoug
04-01-2005, 08:01 PM
Let's not get to technical Mike :cool:

BUSBY
04-01-2005, 09:26 PM
Looking forward to the results ...
BB

Squirtin Thunder
04-01-2005, 11:16 PM
No call from Mike yet !!!
Jim

roostwear
04-02-2005, 05:22 AM
Haven't left yet. I have noticed a couple things already that were mentioned in the articles/forums about acetone. Right after adding the acetone to a full tank (35 gallons, 10 ozs of acetone), the idle smoothed out noticeably, and the exhaust smell wasn't near as strong.
Should be hooked up and ready t roll around 10am......
PS- I checked my mileage when I filled up, and the 95 miles I traveled in my normal stop and go commute netted me 13 mpg (not towing).

roostwear
04-02-2005, 09:59 AM
Ba bye.... :D

Squirtin Thunder
04-02-2005, 06:22 PM
Well Mike and his wife pulled in about 4:30 or so and the engine running very smooth. He said he did not see any change other that a smoother running engine.

roostwear
04-03-2005, 09:34 PM
Well. here's the lowdown. I drove 292 miles out to the house, and used 26.2 gallons.... comes out to 11.14 mpg. I normally get 11 mpg. On the way home, went 290 miles, and the needle is in the same spot as when I filled up this morning.
Bottom line? Didn't do a thing for gas mileage, but did smooth out the idle, and make the exhaust smell better. :frown:

Fiat48
04-03-2005, 09:40 PM
O.k. Guess I better sell that stock I bought Friday in that acetone company at the opening bell. :D

BrendellaJet
04-04-2005, 08:06 AM
I tried this in my Hemi ram over the alst week. I have an onbaord mileage calculator(not sure how accurate it is) but I was seeing an average of 18mpg until th eweekend came around. When Im not on the freeway it gets terrible mileage. Overall I averaged 16mpg, compared to 14.7 average I used to get. Ill try it a few more times to get a stronger sampling and let you know what happens

jtmarten
04-06-2005, 08:50 AM
I started running it in my '94 Grand Cherokee Limited this morning. 318ci, auto, full time 4wd. It had averaged 16.0 mpg over 4600+ miles. I reset the computer this morning before leaving for work, and over the 27 mile drive I got 19.9 mpg. I used approx. 3oz/gal acetone. I'll be tracking mileage in the Jeep as well as my daily driver '94 Escort and post hopefully good results.

roostwear
04-06-2005, 10:03 AM
I started running it in my '94 Grand Cherokee Limited this morning. 318ci, auto, full time 4wd. It had averaged 16.0 mpg over 4600+ miles. I reset the computer this morning before leaving for work, and over the 27 mile drive I got 19.9 mpg. I used approx. 3oz/gal acetone. I'll be tracking mileage in the Jeep as well as my daily driver '94 Escort and post hopefully good results.
3 oz's per gallon? The tests I've seen show anything more than 4 oz's per 10 gallons, lowers mileage.

BUSBY
04-06-2005, 10:58 AM
???

sanger rat
04-06-2005, 03:09 PM
If you are doing this test please report how much per gallon you are putting in. This may be the trick to this stuff.

jtmarten
04-06-2005, 03:15 PM
Sorry, its 3oz/10gal. :redface:

Norseman
04-06-2005, 05:47 PM
Ok this is being kicked around on another board and I thought you guys would have some input on this? Acetone In Fuel Said to Increase Mileage 15-35%? Here is the link to the article. http://pesn.com/2005/03/17/6900069_Acetone/
I'm not sure about the increase in mileage, but I have a buddy that owned a garage in NY and he swore it helped get a car thru the emmissions testing required in NY state.
It seemed to work on my 65 Plymouth. :D

GofastRacer
04-06-2005, 06:39 PM
Well I'm doing a test on the wife's truck right now, this is the first tank and I'll see this week if it made a difference, but I figure at least two or three tanks to really get an evaluation on it. Also it's going in for a bullshit smog test this week and I'll compare it with the last test, I'll post the results!..

Norseman
04-06-2005, 07:05 PM
Well I'm doing a test on the wife's truck right now, this is the first tank and I'll see this week if it made a difference, but I figure at least two or three tanks to really get an evaluation on it. Also it's going in for a bullshit smog test this week and I'll compare it with the last test, I'll post the results!..
Art;
I failed smog without it, ran a tank of gas with acetone thru it, and then refilled with a full tank and I think 3 oz of Acetone and it passed.
Car was a 65 Belvedere with a 426 Big Block in it. Engine had a 750 cfm double pumper holly and headers on it, about 9.5 :1 compression, big valves and a pretty hot cam. The engine was fresh, but I figure the cam was too big, especially at idle and just off idle. But it was a 4 sp car, so it didn't matter.
It passed no problem with acetone in the tank.
Option 2 was to bring Joan's toyota down and use that to get thru smog testing!! :jawdrop:
I should try it in the Windstar, I run the damn thing about 1000 miles week!! :mad:

GofastRacer
04-06-2005, 07:12 PM
Art;
I failed smog without it, ran a tank of gas with acetone thru it, and then refilled with a full tank and I think 3 oz of Acetone and it passed.
Car was a 65 Belvedere with a 426 Big Block in it. Engine had a 750 cfm double pumper holly and headers on it, about 9.5 :1 compression, big valves and a pretty hot cam. The engine was fresh, but I figure the cam was too big, especially at idle and just off idle. But it was a 4 sp car, so it didn't matter.
It passed no problem with acetone in the tank.
Option 2 was to bring Joan's toyota down and use that to get thru smog testing!! :jawdrop:
I should try it in the Windstar, I run the damn thing about 1000 miles week!! :mad:
Well the wife's Toy always passes with flying colors but I want to compare numbers and see the actual difference!..

steveo143
04-06-2005, 07:29 PM
95 BMW 325is, 3oz/10 gal. Computer says 28.3 mpg. for first 250 miles. This car has never seen more than 23 mpg. It is chipped and should have 91 octane but is running on 89 oct. with no pinging.

Hallett19
04-07-2005, 08:32 AM
Does the acetone dry out valve guides, carb gaskets, etc ? I'm curious to try some in my next tank of the boat mixed with some marvel oil. 2 24 gal tanks, so I will need about 7 ounces per side .... ?

roostwear
04-07-2005, 09:15 AM
Does the acetone dry out valve guides, carb gaskets, etc ? I'm curious to try some in my next tank of the boat mixed with some marvel oil. 2 24 gal tanks, so I will need about 7 ounces per side .... ?
In the quantities you would add to your tanks, you won't see any effects from the acetone. Curious, why would you add Marvel to your fuel, and what benefit do think it has? Whatever "lubricating" properties it has, I would think would be outweighed by the detrimental effects it has on the fuel.

Floored
04-07-2005, 05:02 PM
Steveo why the poor mileage? my 95 325ic got 24+ around town and 27-28 on the fwy with the automatic and 4.10 gears. never changed. May try the acetone in my Ranger 4wd 4.0 and see results, tomorrow is fillup day

Squirtin Thunder
04-07-2005, 05:53 PM
Well I tried it after talking with Mike (Roostwear) and I am not sure yet but it looks pritty good so far.I did 5ox to 19.3 gal !!! I got 97miles on a half tank It has not done that in a few years !!!! And it is ideling 150 rpm higher. Now that would mean that I am getting about 9.7mpg in town. That is not bad for a 4x4 7.5L EFI that is lifted and has larger than stock tires. Oh yah it also has 462K on it. I have to go to Flagstaff this weekend so I will be able to tell even better.

Ken F
04-08-2005, 06:33 PM
There used to be a product on the market called Mix-i-Go for gasoline engines, and a similar product called De-Zol for Diesel engines.
this was basicly a surfactant (same as soap) which broke the molicules of gasoline down for better atomization & burn.
My Dad & I both worked for a Mercedes Dealer and got quite a few customers using it. Out of a large number of "test" cars, all showed a marked improvement in fuel milage (10-15%) and much cleaner plugs & injectors.
This is still available, only under a different name now.
Ken F

Squirtin Thunder
04-08-2005, 06:39 PM
Well I tried it after talking with Mike (Roostwear) and I am not sure yet but it looks pritty good so far.I did 5ox to 19.3 gal !!! I got 97miles on a half tank It has not done that in a few years !!!! And it is ideling 150 rpm higher. Now that would mean that I am getting about 9.7mpg in town. That is not bad for a 4x4 7.5L EFI that is lifted and has larger than stock tires. Oh yah it also has 462K on it. I have to go to Flagstaff this weekend so I will be able to tell even better.
I keep forgetting to buy new injectors !!! It must be the $350 for the Motorsports ones I want !!!

gnarley
04-15-2005, 01:43 PM
So, back to the top.... How are the MPG tests going?

Tahiti350
04-15-2005, 03:12 PM
Bumping up to get the latest updates from everyone. Just found Acetone at Walmart for $11.94 a gallon, so a little cheaper than other sources listed.
My question is how many ounces in a gallon??

gnarley
04-16-2005, 09:22 AM
1 Gallons = 128 Ounces

GofastRacer
04-16-2005, 09:41 AM
It's 2 1/2 to 3oz per 10 gals!.. Did it for one week in the wife's Toy PU and so far no change in mileage but it does run way smoother than before, also took it in for smog and it was cleaner than when I bought it new!..You also don't get that funky gas smell!.. I'm doing it again this next week, we'll see what happens!.. I'm also going to try it in my dually on the way to Needles, see if it makes a difference on a big block!..

cdog
04-16-2005, 12:38 PM
I think my 03 sub actually got worse gas mileage. I usually get 375-390 per tank and with the aceatone I got almost 350 mile on a tank.

78Eliminator
04-16-2005, 10:25 PM
I am just glad there are guys like you out there. Aint no way I am using my truck which I am still making payments on as a test platform. But you guys keep up the good work.... ;) :D

Squirtin Thunder
04-16-2005, 10:46 PM
Well I did it and now my old injectors are total junk !!!! It may be a coincidence but they are now way too rich and when cold it runs like crap !!!!
I will be putting in new injectors and not trying it again !!!
Good luck !!!
Jim

GofastRacer
04-17-2005, 05:39 AM
I think my 03 sub actually got worse gas mileage. I usually get 375-390 per tank and with the aceatone I got almost 350 mile on a tank.
How much did you put in?, they say any more than 3oz per 10gals will harm mileage!.. :confused:

GofastRacer
04-17-2005, 05:40 AM
Well I did it and now my old injectors are total junk !!!! It may be a coincidence but they are now way too rich and when cold it runs like crap !!!!
I will be putting in new injectors and not trying it again !!!
Good luck !!!
Jim
Interesting, what did it do the injectors???.. :confused:

GofastRacer
04-17-2005, 05:42 AM
I am just glad there are guys like you out there. Aint no way I am using my truck which I am still making payments on as a test platform. But you guys keep up the good work.... ;) :D
I don't make payments!.. :D :D :D

sanger rat
04-17-2005, 07:22 AM
Well I did it and now my old injectors are total junk !!!! It may be a coincidence but they are now way too rich and when cold it runs like crap !!!!
I will be putting in new injectors and not trying it again !!!
Good luck !!!
Jim
A temp sensor gone bad would cause that.

Squirtin Thunder
04-17-2005, 07:30 AM
Interesting, what did it do the injectors???.. :confused:
I am really not sure what actually happend but it is running way rich and the comp can't ajust far enough to compencate. I bet that the Acetone helped clean the fuel system. Being that I have OEM injectors with 463K on them they just shit the bed. That is what I am thinking !!! But when I pull them I will test them and see.

Squirtin Thunder
04-17-2005, 07:35 AM
A temp sensor gone bad would cause that.
I would agree with you but being they have 463K on the injectors, OEM '91 and the over all gas milage has gone bad too, 130 on a 20gal tank, 6.5mpg. Hell the boat is getting about 2.5mpg !!!!

roostwear
04-17-2005, 08:56 AM
Get a digital VOM and check the O2 output. That'll cause an overrich condition also. Highly unlikely your injectors are bad. If anything, they're probably flowing right for the first time in 300,000 miles!

cdog
04-17-2005, 09:12 AM
How much did you put in?, they say any more than 3oz per 10gals will harm mileage!.. :confused:
9oz for 32-34 gallons. I should have been right on the money.

roostwear
04-17-2005, 11:01 AM
I'm trying 2oz/10 gal in this tank. It'll be mostly street/traffic driving, so we'll see if it works in a couple days.

jmm
04-23-2005, 02:31 AM
So what is the final outcome? I want to try it but figured Id see how you guys made out..... :)

GofastRacer
04-23-2005, 05:33 AM
Just did it for two weeks in the wife's truck, no mlieage increase but it sure cleaned out the fuel system and the motor runs so much better and idles smoother than ever also it passed smog cleaner than ever and that's with almost 400k on it!... Now I'm going to try it in my dually on the way to Needles and see what it does for it, let you know when I get back next week!..

Tahiti350
04-24-2005, 05:50 PM
'86 Buick Regal Limited, 3.8 electronic carb'd V-6, 5 oz/20gal
24.36 with acetone 22.16 without acetone
All highway driving, weather within 5 degrees of the same, Maybe it woirks better on carburated engines?? Much better idle, no foul fuel smell with acetone. Will be checking in town this week to verify the results. Could tell within 5 minutes after filling up that I didn't have acetone in the mix.

roostwear
04-24-2005, 09:49 PM
I filled up, and after 304.6 miles with 2oz/ 10 gals, my mileage......... unchanged. This was mixed driving.... street, highway.
Just for giggles, I think I'll run it in the boat at FC3.

Pismo
04-25-2005, 08:14 AM
First tank.........14.62 mpg, no improvement. 2000 Land rover disco II V8, 7oz in 21gal.

MikeF
04-25-2005, 11:41 AM
I think tahiti350 and Mike have a good idea! That acetone will help break the fuel apart better leading to a better burn. The large engine w/ big ports need all the help they can get to pull the fuel apart.
On a fuel injected engine it takes x mount of fuel/x amount of air to run properly (mainly go rich/lean to make the cat converter do it job properly). As all are seeing, it does not seem to make a difference on mileage. But does make a smoother running engine cause the fuel is split easier. :cool:

roostwear
04-25-2005, 12:24 PM
I'm thinking that there may be some benefit to carburated engines. My test bed is a 5.9l mpi, and is fairly (?) efficient. A carburetor is less efficient and may respond to better atomization.
I'll find out in 2 weeks......