Havasu, Ca side eviction notices!!!???

[NOTALENT]

I was talking about this in another thread..wondering if anyone had anymore info on it...this is my post...pretty much all I have heard...
well its no longer rumors..My buddys uncle has a place just past havasu landing maybe a 1/4 of a mile..and all the established houses in the area have gotten eviction notices...I believe he said they have till july..maybe june..but there taking it all back..they have been there since 1958. They and there neighbors in there little area are going to have a huge destruction party the last weekend..We built a huge warehouse there its on the water u may have seen it.. Brad Thompson is his name. Sucks that they are able to do this!!!

[Ion]

I think the Chemhuevis have done this before to the trailer people at the landing. It's stuff like this that continues to make me wonder why folks invest in trailers, homes, etc, on tribal land, where the land can only be leased! Makes absolutely no sense to me because of their ability to pull the lease out from under anyone, for any reason.

[Charley]

I think the Chemhuevis have done this before to the trailer people at the landing. It's stuff like this that continues to make me wonder why folks invest in trailers, homes, etc, on tribal land, where the land can only be leased! Makes absolutely no sense to me because of their ability to pull the lease out from under anyone, for any reason.
it's very sad, but I agree ...... tribal/BLM = bad investment

[Havasu_Dreamin]

I think the Chemhuevis have done this before to the trailer people at the landing. It's stuff like this that continues to make me wonder why folks invest in trailers, homes, etc, on tribal land, where the land can only be leased! Makes absolutely no sense to me because of their ability to pull the lease out from under anyone, for any reason.
Isn't that true for any mobile home type situation? It's not just limited to Indian reservations, right?

[NOTALENT]

Isn't that true for any mobile home type situation? It's not just limited to Indian reservations, right?
not just moble homes..but anything on leased/BLM land..the owner always has the right to do what they please..

[Havasu_Dreamin]

not just moble homes..but anything on leased/BLM land..the owner always has the right to do what they please..
That's what I thought. So, unfirtunately, the people knew in the back of their mind that this was at leaat a possibility. Still sucks, but I think they have no recourse, unfortunately. Especially for peeps like your friends that have had a place since the '50's

[welk2party]

I would be curious how this might affect the trailer park in the Landing. I have a couple of friends with places there. The Indians just made everyone update their trailers on the "old side" so I can't imagine them evicting...but you never know I guess.

[NOTALENT]

That's what I thought. So, unfirtunately, the people knew in the back of their mind that this was at leaat a possibility. Still sucks, but I think they have no recourse, unfortunately. Especially for peeps like your friends that have had a place since the '50's
Yeah..they always new but I guess when ur in a place for so long..u start to think it wont happen to u...to bad...its such a perfect location..peaceful..there own cove..launch ramp etc..and there whole porch is like a dock..on the water...im gonna miss it.

[Cole Trickle]

That is sad sad news.
We had some friends that went through this in Parker.
We cemented all the water/sewer lines and cut the main supports for the house and ripped out all of the electrical.
No big mess for them to clean up and bill you for but know one is going to be living there either.

[Thunderbutt]

After all of thoses years you would think they would have established a homestead, the Indians did

[ChumpChange]

The Indians just made everyone update their trailers
Maybe they made them update them so when they take the land back, they'll have nicer places to live in at no cost them. :idea:

[totenhosen]

Maybe they made them update them so when they take the land back, they'll have nicer places to live in at no cost them. :idea:
Thats what I was thinking.
What does BLM mean?

[moneypit]

I just got of the phone with my relatives that live in the park... They have heard absolutely nothing.

[Havasu_Dreamin]

Bureau of Land Management?
That is correct.

[Krazy K]

Our old house that we don't have a stake in anymore, sits north of Badenochs on the CA side, downriver of the white boathouse. When we got out of the ownership of the house, the price of the leased land was at about $8000/year. Who knows if it has gone up from there. My dad had said that if they ever tried to take the land back, he would torch the house.

[rivrbrat]

Just want clear up the myth that the California side is all reservation land, as a matter of fact IT IS NOT RESERVATION LAND AT ALL it is BLM land that means you and me land ''write your congressman. Fact is very little of it is under the control of the Chemehuevi tribe by way of the BLM. As someone that loves the left side it saddens me when I see how well they have taken care of all things that have been given to them by way of Goverment grants, like the HUD housing that we have built for them to trash.

[boatnam2]

one of our buddies had his sea doo stole last year well he thought so until he found it locked up at emerald this weekend.no notice or nothing.called the cops they said there is nothing they can do about it.i guess there was few other doo's and a golf cart locked up and that the owners probaly have written off as stolen.

[Krazy K]

Just want clear up the myth that the California side is all reservation land, as a matter of fact IT IS NOT RESERVATION LAND AT ALL it is BLM land that means you and me land ''write your congressman. Fact is very little of it is under the control of the Chemehuevi tribe by way of the BLM. As someone that loves the left side it saddens me when I see how well they have taken care of all things that have been given to them by way of Goverment grants, like the HUD housing that we have built for them to trash.
Last I heard, the land south of Riverland is CRIT controlled. Has that changed?

[moneypit]

Just want clear up the myth that the California side is all reservation land, as a matter of fact IT IS NOT RESERVATION LAND AT ALL it is BLM land that means you and me land ''write your congressman. Fact is very little of it is under the control of the Chemehuevi tribe by way of the BLM. As someone that loves the left side it saddens me when I see how well they have taken care of all things that have been given to them by way of Goverment grants, like the HUD housing that we have built for them to trash.
Your right.. Actually alot of their land is under the water... when they made the lake they flooded their land. When they were offered the land they aare on now, there were very few Chemehuevis to be found... so they got on the phone and called in everybody brothers cousins and anyone who had a inkling of Chemehuevi blood so they could live there...
You say it is BLM land.. your right, but the government doesnt treat it like that in most cases.. The Chemehuevi have had difficulty in court because it is BLM land, not soverein land.
Interesting!!!

[Jrocket]

one of our buddies had his sea doo stole last year well he thought so until he found it locked up at emerald this weekend.no notice or nothing.called the cops they said there is nothing they can do about it.i guess there was few other doo's and a golf cart locked up and that the owners probaly have written off as stolen.
Why is all the stuff locked up at Emerald?Did they get it back or what?
Im betting the Indians do this every once in awhile to raise tention,get there pockets gressed with some cash and then lay low for another few years.Just think,if everyone moved their stuff out then where would the Indians get their extra cash from?

[XtrmWakeborder]

one of our buddies had his sea doo stole last year well he thought so until he found it locked up at emerald this weekend.no notice or nothing.called the cops they said there is nothing they can do about it.i guess there was few other doo's and a golf cart locked up and that the owners probaly have written off as stolen.
Now thats bull! If the cops can't do anything when they stole it from your buddy, then there is nothing they can do to stop you from stealing it back yourself. I'd be damned if they stole my shit and got away with it.

[Ultrafied]

Just want clear up the myth that the California side is all reservation land, as a matter of fact IT IS NOT RESERVATION LAND AT ALL it is BLM land that means you and me land ''write your congressman. Fact is very little of it is under the control of the Chemehuevi tribe by way of the BLM. As someone that loves the left side it saddens me when I see how well they have taken care of all things that have been given to them by way of Goverment grants, like the HUD housing that we have built for them to trash.
Well, I hate to question, but there is Reservation land, with boundaries of BLM up on it. 13 years ago, the so called "myth" was never proven in court as to the Chemehuevi not having the a legal right to reservation land. Their reservation extends 12 miles, all coastline but does not go inland very deep.
BLM has signs where their boundry stops. A lot of the land that was in question (the Old Colony) was Union Pacific land. The Chemehuevi have treated us pretty good, with very reasonable leases. A major break was years past when the tribe raised the rates on the old section and many of the residents felt it was a cheap shot.
I don't see their homes being trash at all. They may not have beautifull lawns or pools, but the ones I have seen by the school are very reasonable. They have built a beatifull Community Center for themselves and as in all communities, there are some undesirables.
Yes, you may not own the land, but as stated before, most mobile home parks are the same. A comparable lot in Havasu is quite a bit more in space rent. The tribe is trying to keep the park up by requiring your residence to look good. Normally, when your lease is up for renewal is when they inspect for appearance. For my family, I love the Landing. I can cruise in my golf cart or walk to one of the beaches in 3 minutes, leave my canopies up, haul the boat to the ramp in 5 minutes and only have to put up with large crowds on 4 holidays.
When I got the place at the Landing, it was after looking around and finding a quiet place (generally) in which the family could get to the water without having to go through crowds. Is it an investment? Nope and I knew that. Most of my friends there know it as well. But then again, I wasn't looking for an investment, just a comfortable place to enjoy the water.

[shueman]

Good post Mike... you said it all, and said it from the heart...!!!

[moneypit]

Well, I hate to question, but there is Reservation land, with boundaries of BLM up on it. 13 years ago, the so called "myth" was never proven in court as to the Chemehuevi not having the a legal right to reservation land. Their reservation extends 12 miles, all coastline but does not go inland very deep.
BLM has signs where their boundry stops. A lot of the land that was in question (the Old Colony) was Union Pacific land. The Chemehuevi have treated us pretty good, with very reasonable leases. A major break was years past when the tribe raised the rates on the old section and many of the residents felt it was a cheap shot.
I don't see their homes being trash at all. They may not have beautifull lawns or pools, but the ones I have seen by the school are very reasonable. They have built a beatifull Community Center for themselves and as in all communities, there are some undesirables.
Yes, you may not own the land, but as stated before, most mobile home parks are the same. A comparable lot in Havasu is quite a bit more in space rent. The tribe is trying to keep the park up by requiring your residence to look good. Normally, when your lease is up for renewal is when they inspect for appearance. For my family, I love the Landing. I can cruise in my golf cart or walk to one of the beaches in 3 minutes, leave my canopies up, haul the boat to the ramp in 5 minutes and only have to put up with large crowds on 4 holidays.
When I got the place at the Landing, it was after looking around and finding a quiet place (generally) in which the family could get to the water without having to go through crowds. Is it an investment? Nope and I knew that. Most of my friends there know it as well. But then again, I wasn't looking for an investment, just a comfortable place to enjoy the water.
Mike are you in the old or new park? Good post by the way.. You are so right.. My family has been there almost since the park started. We are original owner/renters in the front row of the old park. I will never let it go.. I have a ramp 5 seconds away and another one 40 seconds away. When I go on vacation, I dont want to see one traffic lights. I dont mind the big weekends... in fact I love them. I get in the water whenever I want. everyone can stay in the boat when I drove the boat home on the trailer..
I recently purchased property outside the park in the North estates.. I didnt want to leave the Cali side for all the above reasons

[slink]

I believe you are correct. Matter of fact, that new house being built just south of Riverland is a dead giveaway that it's not BLM land.
Ya, I heard`it belonged to some indian "chief" down there....don't know, just what I heard, but it is a badass place.

[Ion]

Isn't that true for any mobile home type situation? It's not just limited to Indian reservations, right?
Right you are, much of riverside-area Parker included, but this thread was specifically addressing the tribal land.

[Boatcop]

The Chemhuevis were relocated to CRIT land when BOR flooded Havasu in the '30's, and were made eligible for CRIT membership. When the lake didn't go up as far as they figured, the Chemhuevis reclaimed what land was theirs, designated by the US Congress.
It took some legal battles, but the US Supreme Court ruled that the land still above water was legally theirs. Many have remained with CRIT, but many more went back with the "old" tribe.
And, Yes. All land on the California side from Riverland, south to almost Mayflower Park in Blythe is (for the time being) CRIT land. There are legal battles still on-going regarding that. Congress set the Colorado River as the western boundary of the CRIT Res, but a move by a Secretary of the Interior gave them several thousand acres on the California Side, partly because of the giant intaglios near Lost Lake, and the assertion that it is also the native homeland of the Mohave tribe.
I have a railroad watercolor print from the mid 1800's showing the Mohave's along the California side of the river, looking across toward (what is now) Black Mountain, or "P" Mountain, as it's known locally.
The move that gave them the California side is in dispute and will also probably end up in the Supreme Court, since some interpret the law to read that only Congress can set Indian Trust land, and the move by the Sec of Interior was improper.
And if you think you have any rights, as far as Indian Leases, you're dead wrong. They can evict you for any or no reason, and you have absolutely no recourse. No court in the US had jurisdiction over cases involving Indian Leases. I know, cause my family went through it.
If anyone is considering entering into any kind of a lease with an Indian Tribe, make sure that the lease has language that the Tribe waives its Soverign Immunity in any and all issues involving the lease. If they refuse, run away and run away fast. Otherwise you'll get screwed.

[Ultrafied]

Hey Moneypit, I'm in the new park, up to off A street on L. Most of us in the park feel the same way or close to it, I believe. We are also looking at property outside, actually across from the tribal housing. There are a few lots, unimproved that I have found. Hope to see you there !!!!!

[Ultrafied]

"If anyone is considering entering into any kind of a lease with an Indian Tribe, make sure that the lease has language that the Tribe waives its Soverign Immunity in any and all issues involving the lease. If they refuse, run away and run away fast. Otherwise you'll get screwed."
This is only true if you do not realize the possible consequences prior to signing the lease. It's up to the individual if the risk is worth the gain..... :D

[TOBTEK]

OK....YOU guys are scaring the heck out of me. My Brother and I are seconds away from buying a river front lot at BIG RIVER and building a monster duplex for our two families......BUT THE Indian land lease FREAKS me out! I think theres 25 yrs left on the current lease. Bro keep telling me theres NOTHING to worry about :confused:

[LOWRIVER2]

Tobtek,
I've been on that stretch for 10 years now, I have a waterfront mobile just north of the bridge. There's been a LOT of development in regards to single fam. homes on waterfront in last 4 years. Remember that the primary use of water south of Parker Strip is for FARM IRRIGATION. While I think the mobile parks are much safer (defense in numbers), I just don't see any reason CRIT would want to put anything on the riverfront as tourists don't like waiting for the water to rise at 12-1pm like us regulars do. The manager of my boat storage has worked for Big River tribe for 30 years. She said it best, the tribe (CRIT) takes 20-25 years to do what they "plan" at any of their meetings in regards to land development. They've planned on doubling the bridge to Parker for the last 7 years, every year it is "supposed" to happen. Still has'nt. As far as investment, Mine's doubled in value in 2.5 years, I'd say that's pretty good/lol.
Now, if I was on a single fam. home just north of Bluewater Casino, I'd be worried.

[Jrocket]

OK....YOU guys are scaring the heck out of me. My Brother and I are seconds away from buying a river front lot at BIG RIVER and building a monster duplex for our two families......BUT THE Indian land lease FREAKS me out! I think theres 25 yrs left on the current lease. Bro keep telling me theres NOTHING to worry about :confused:
Boats and now land,dont your toes get sore?

[TOBTEK]

Boats and now land,dont your toes get sore?
land and house are a tat bit better investment than OVERPRICED fiberglass and a BLOW ME BOB powerplant :wink: . BIGRIVER isnt my 1st choice....but it will be nice to have all the family together, and a big ole house ON the water is a huge plus....my thought is that The bluewater is 5 min's away, and can launch on lower havasu in 20 min's...there are some INSAINE river front houses in bigriver....Have ya seen the one for 1.5 million, that would not suck!

[RIPPINGNOLEGSKROKER]

Tob, there is plenty to worry about. You are buying the right to lease and use the land, not own the land. We have been involved with a boundry dispute for about 12-14 years just down river from there. It has been tied up in the courts for about 12 years and many different avenues have been explored. Some people have essentually squatted and invested huge dollars in river homes with no garuntee, others have paid into an escrow fund to cover the bet. We Cannot pay the lease even if we wanted to, plus, we are talking early 1990 dollars, not 05 cash out refi, ARM, 0 down voodoo numbers. Even if it got resolved today the lease numbers for river front would be astonishing even at year to year rate. Eviction notices were going to go out, personal property can be taken, and destroying property will lead to payment. Red Rooster got the boot, who is next?? On the flip side that is an awsome part of the river and let your kids worry about it in 24 years. Tob, PM me on info for titled river frontage

[TOBTEK]

Tob, there is plenty to worry about. You are buying the right to lease and use the land, not own the land. We have been involved with a boundry dispute for about 12-14 years just down river from there. It has been tied up in the courts for about 12 years and many different avenues have been explored. Some people have essentually squatted and invested huge dollars in river homes with no garuntee, others have paid into an escrow fund to cover the bet. We Cannot pay the lease even if we wanted to, plus, we are talking early 1990 dollars, not 05 cash out refi, ARM, 0 down voodoo numbers. Even if it got resolved today the lease numbers for river front would be astonishing even at year to year rate. Eviction notices were going to go out, personal property can be taken, and destroying property will lead to payment. Red Rooster got the boot, who is next?? On the flip side that is an awsome part of the river and let your kids worry about it in 24 years. Tob, PM me on info for titled river frontage
what area on the river do you have titled property forsale?

[pixilatedpussy]

not just moble homes..but anything on leased/BLM land..the owner always has the right to do what they please..
That BITES!!!!!!!!!! :yuk:

[moneypit]

Toby
I would be careful.... Its one thing to put a single or double wide on there and maybe tow it out of there if you need to, but to build a huge house could be a big bummer... Your brother says not to worry about it, but does he "know" or "think" everything will be ok?

[moneypit]

what area on the river do you have titled property forsale?
Remember the places I was telling you about in Havasu Landing....My lot is titled.. its not river front, but its titled.

[Forkin' Crazy]

Man, that sucks!!! The indians cause a bunch of trouble here too... They have a bunch of casinos. They were trying to start a huge car dealership that would cut the hell out of all the others being tax exempt. They got that shut down though...
What's up with the "legal" thievery? :confused:
Good luck!!!!
BTW if they did that to me, the house would spontaneously combust as soon as I had moved my stuff out!!!! :cool:

[Ultrafied]

I would have to agree to be wary of building a house on leased land. As was stated, being evicted with a mobile home on the lot, although a loss, would not be as substantial if you were evicted with actual brick and mortar on it.
Personaly, I have had good dealing with the tribes ... and as far as Custer, heck, that was his own ego that got his men killed .... :D

[Boatcop]

iffin the gov't doesn't renew the injuns lease then the land would revert back to the BLM.
The Indians don't have a lease on their Reservations. It is their land. Period! If anything, they can be given additional Federal land, if they can prove that it is, or should have been included in what Congress declared was Trust land for the Reservation.
CRIT is trying to do just that with a section of land along I-10 between Ehrenberg and Quartzsite. The "La Paz Lands" were designated Tribal Trust lands by act of Congress which set aside the entire CRIT Reservation in the 1860s. But it was removed by President Wilson in 1915 for mining, grazing and other interests. CRIT is trying to correct that now.
Any leases or rights of way (including "State" land) would remain. Also any title held on real property (land) within any newly formed Reservation land would remain, not subject to Tribal Ownership.
I don't trust um as far as I could through a fat ugly one and they're all fat and ugly.
That's a pretty racist comment. Although their leaders may be corrupt, the people themsleves are generally good people. And I know my wife would take offense at that comment, since she is Native American and is neither fat nor ugly.
And she knows how to spell, too. Based on your posts, she would come to the conclusion that white people are all illiterate.

[Seadog]

I would be in deep trouble at family reunions if I was to spout off some of the remarks I am reading here, but there are reasons for people to be upset. There are a lot of problems with some of the old treaties that were caused by legal interpretations today, that would have been ludicrous 100 years ago. We have big gaming interests that have used loopholes in indian law to develop casinos where the state population overwhelmingly reject it. We are seeing numerous applications where money is being deverted from the states and going to the tribes, yet in many cases, the tribes are also getting state benefits. The pity is that we have some tribes with a few living the life of Riley and others that live in poverty.

[riverbound]

Tobtek,
Now, if I was on a single fam. home just north of Bluewater Casino, I'd be worried.
We have a deeded Single fam.Home north of Bluewater :) When we started looking for a place we told our realtor that we would only buy deeded land. Our house in the keys was Indian land and we never fealt comfortable there. At least now we know there is not a thing they could do to take our land.

[Essex502]

Has anyone caught the fact that theTribes want to use tax free municiple bonds to finance their casino, golf course and resort construction? It has been rejected by the IRS but may pass in California due to new legislation sponsered by those legislators most heavily donated to by the tribes.
I like what one California legislator said: "They want to use state law when it is to their financial advantage," said state Sen. John Campbell (R-Irvine), "And they want to not use state law when it is to their financial advantage. That is just not right. Either take it all or take none of it."
Full Story (http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/la-me-tribes13apr13,1,7073565.story)

[Boatcop]

Our house in the keys was Indian land and we never fealt comfortable there.
The Moovalya Keys area has never been, nor will ever be Indian Land or part of the Reservation. The Reservation boundary is just south of HWY 95 and Riverside Drive at the light.
On the River, the boundary is just south of Riverland resort on the CA side, and just south of Marina View Estates on the AZ side.
Prior to being developed as a residential subdivision the Keys was a dairy farm. Privately owned. The area north of the boundaries above were never under Indian control.

[missboatnam1]

we went out to the motocross track last weekend in big river,never been in big river there was a few huge homes right by the track.man that is a lot of money to spend not owing the land.nice pads though i will give them that.

[lewiville]

woundering if anyone had any more info on this topic?

[Trailer Park Casanova]

Anyone have any idea what the plans are after everyone moves out?
A resort/casino? Indian housing?
Any word of whats next.
Sorry to read about it.
This kinda thing has been going on a long time.