DCB F-29 w/900SC's...

[Havasu Hangin']

...and #6's...I wonder how fast?
Hmmmmmm.......

[HavasuDreamin']

uuuuuuuuummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.............148.93m ph. idea
[ May 07, 2003, 02:15 PM: Message edited by: HavasuDreamin' ]

[Jrocket]

Faster than I could afford!!!! :D

[Havasu Hangin']

Jrocket:
Faster than I could afford!!!! :D Better go kill some more windshields!

[Jrocket]

Havasu Hangin':
Jrocket:
Faster than I could afford!!!! :D Better go kill some more windshields! I quit that bizzzzz,but I'd make an exception for yours!!! :D

[Havasu Hangin']

Jrocket:
I quit that bizzzzz,but I'd make an exception for yours!!! :D So now what...door dings?

[mbrown2]

HH,
So do I take it a little bird told you someone is getting an F29 with 900's & 6's?

[Havasu Hangin']

mbrown2:
So do I take it a little bird told you someone is getting an F29 with 900's & 6's? I'm not allowed to comment.
I will say that someone is probably going to have a great summer...and it ain't me.

[Charley]

Havasu Hangin':
mbrown2:
So do I take it a little bird told you someone is getting an F29 with 900's & 6's? I'm not allowed to comment.
I will say that someone is probably going to have a great summer...and it ain't me. I wonder if it's ....... _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ :D

[mbrown2]

No need to spill the beans....but that is one sick setup.
So it would be 200 more ponies per engine over Charlie's and the 6's probably take a little bit more to turn than IMCO's, so with 400 more horses, and if Charlie's run boat runs 125, that boat would run right around 150.

[WetWillie]

Lets just say Im pissed!!!
Dave told me that he was going to keep this one Double Triple TOP SECRET!!
Guess I will have him Paypal my deposit back!
WW :p

[Havasu Hangin']

I tried to trade the HH Tugboat straight across...but he wouldn't throw in the trailer...so I walked...his loss!
It might be a happy Independance Day for someone!

[Jrocket]

Havasu Hangin':
I tried to trade the HH Tugboat straight across...but he wouldn't throw in the trailer...so I walked...his loss!
It might be a happy Independance Day for someone! What in the hell were they thinking!!! :D

[HBjet]

How much does a 900SC cost (with drive I'm assuming)
I don't know about anyone else, but if I had an F29 and the bank roll to get twin 900SC's with #6 drives, I wouldn't do that.
I'd add another 300hp (2100 total) run a pair of IMCO 4X4 drives, and make sure Dave at DCB double pads my flat engine hatch so it's nice and comfortable when people are sitting all over it. I wouldn't have to worry about blower belts, boost, turbos.... I'd just have to make sure my two 1350cfm carbs are dialed in just right, and then fill the tanks with some 91 octane from Circle K and I'd be set!
That would be my dream setup! So when the guy with 2 big blowers sticking up out of the hatch looks over at me, he can wonder what the hell is wrong when I begin to pull away from him :D
Oh, and probably for less money!
HBjet

[Havasu Hangin']

HBjet:
I don't know about anyone else, but if I had an F29 and the bank roll to get twin 900SC's with #6 drives, I wouldn't do that.Uh...OK. How many times have we all built our dream-ride? I build mine weekly.
As for me, I don't have a say-so, since I'm not writing the check.
Although...if you have the bucks, I think the #6 is about as reliable of a drive as you'll get for 1,000HP...seems like guys are breaking alot of stuff these days...
...but does anyone ever hear about a broken #6?
But what do I know?
HBjet:
...and then fill the tanks from Circle K and I'd be set!
They run on Slurpees?
[ May 08, 2003, 05:03 AM: Message edited by: Havasu Hangin' ]

[hot_diggity_dog]

Lets just say Im pissed!!!
Dave told me that he was going to keep this one Double Triple TOP SECRET!!
Hey WW,
you know I talk a little when I'm drinking out on the water. :rolleyes:
I swear it wasn't me!
wink
HDD :cool:

[Havasu Cig]

6's are the only way to go with that setup. You can go with Bravo style drives, but they will eventually break, probably sooner than later.
Skater is putting 6's behind 525's on their cats just for the reliability. The last 36 that DSM sold had that setup and ran in the 115 range. Not bad for small power and a huge drive. The setup is bullet proof.
I don't know what the current cost off 900's and 6's are, but as of last year it was running about 220k for twins (motors and drives). That is what I was quoted.
For that price I would be looking at Pfaff, Zul, Sterling ect... just my .02.

[Charley]

HBjet:
How much does a 900SC cost (with drive I'm assuming)
I don't know about anyone else, but if I had an F29 and the bank roll to get twin 900SC's with #6 drives, I wouldn't do that.
I'd add another 300hp (2100 total) run a pair of IMCO 4X4 drives, and make sure Dave at DCB double pads my flat engine hatch so it's nice and comfortable when people are sitting all over it. I wouldn't have to worry about blower belts, boost, turbos.... I'd just have to make sure my two 1350cfm carbs are dialed in just right, and then fill the tanks with some 91 octane from Circle K and I'd be set!
That would be my dream setup! So when the guy with 2 big blowers sticking up out of the hatch looks over at me, he can wonder what the hell is wrong when I begin to pull away from him :D
Oh, and probably for less money!
HBjet WAIT A SEX HERE!!!!! Randy you don't even like the ugly ass lines of the F- decks!!
Just teezin ya a lil
:D wink :D :p

[mbrown2]

HBjet:
I'd add another 300hp (2100 total) run a pair of IMCO 4X4 drives, and make sure Dave at DCB double pads my flat engine hatch so it's nice and comfortable when people are sitting all over it. I wouldn't have to worry about blower belts, boost, turbos.... I'd just have to make sure my two 1350cfm carbs are dialed in just right, and then fill the tanks with some 91 octane from Circle K and I'd be set!
HBjet HB,
Which type of generally available naturally aspirated engine is putting 1050 hp each?
If it were my cash, and in that landscape it never will be, I would stick with the 6's but go with GT Performance or Pfaff Quad Whipple EFI's; they put out more horsepower than the Merc's, are probably just as reliable, and less expensive..

[HavasuDreamin']

mbrown2
Which type of generally available naturally aspirated engine is putting 1050 hp each?My guess is he is talking about the DNE single four barrel 1,050 horse motor. :cool:
Oh yeah..........my $.02 is if you are putting twin 1,000 HP motors in a DCB Cat, go for the extra 5' and step up to an F-34. :cool:
Dream boat.........F-34 with #6 drives and two Infomaniac Quad-Rotor 705 cu.in. motors. pig_flyi

[DogHouse]

mbrown2:
Which type of generally available naturally aspirated engine is putting 1050 hp each?
Most likely referring to the pump gas 565 built by DNE. It had a lot of pro-stock tech goodies in it, very nice n/a motor. Personally if I were spending big $$$ it would be on a much larger combo, like the 5" bore spacing block and heads from Sonny's that let you build a 750ci Chevy! :D

[Havasu Hangin']

mbrown2:
...I would stick with the 6's but go with GT Performance or Pfaff Quad Whipple EFI's; they put out more horsepower than the Merc's, are probably just as reliable, and less expensive.. Ditto.
HavasuDreamin':
My guess is he is talking about the DNE single four barrel 1,050 horse motor.My guess is that he is talkin' about an engine that has an idle only a jet could love...
Without dreams...you got nightmares...

[DogHouse]

Yeah as I recall that thing had a bunch of cam in it, peaked at 7k or so. Even with the wide lobe center, that still means a pretty nasty idle. Mine has significantly less duration than what they ran and it's about as rough an idle as I'd put in front of a Bravo.

[HBjet]

Yeah, I'm talking about the DNE motor! I think it's the ultimate sleeper motor.
As far as the idle, it idles at a nice 900rpm! Is that too much for an I/O? And it makes over 1000hp at 6000rpm, and almost 900ft lbs of torque! Who wouldn't love that?
Charley, yeah, I'd probably put those motor's and drives in a 30' Daytona just to make you happy!
220k for twin drives and motor's? WOW eek! I know Merc has there Lake X and all, but I couldn't spend that much with them. I like my builder DNE and I would be running a pair of his 565ci 1050hp pump gas motor's instead.
Currently, he has one in a 21' Daytona with a standard layup from Eliminator. With 4 peeps, fuel tanks just about full, and a cooler, the boat still hit 105-106mph in the lower Havasu water, and using a jet pump to push it. Not bad for a single carb deal on pump gas!
Not a sales pitch of any type, but I've talked to him about this motor and he would love to build one, or 2 for a larger tunnel boat. Either carbed, or run fuel injection.
HBjet

[HBjet]

Here is the write up on the motor if anyone is interested.
1050hp (http://www.hotrod.com/howto/113_0206_1000/index.html)
HBjet

[mbrown2]

HBjet:
Here is the write up on the motor if anyone is interested.
1050hp (http://www.hotrod.com/howto/113_0206_1000/index.html)
HBjet Do they have a website? just curious..

[Havasu Hangin']

HBjet:
...I like my builder DNE and I would be running a pair of his 565ci 1050hp pump gas motor's instead....The ultimate sleeper cheerleader!
No offense, HBChet...but if those things are a breeze around the docks with an outdrive behind them, I'll buy you a beer.
I can get my motor to idle at 900RPMs...but it's not happy. Most of the motors I've seen with over 240 duration and/or less than 112 LSA get dicey at 900RPMs...let alone with a big 34" prop and tall gears attached...

[HBjet]

Not yet, but there working on it. He's located in Costa Mesa and his number is (949) 631-3781
HBjet

[HBjet]

Havasu Hangin':
if those things are a breeze around the docks with an outdrive behind them, I'll buy you a beer.Well, your Mr. I/O so I guess you would know better then I would, and I think you owe me a beer anyways :D
Why don't you buy one and let's put it in the HH Tug Boat and give some of these guys a run for there money!
HBjet

[Havasu Hangin']

HBjet:
Why don't you buy one and let's put it in the HH Tug Boat and give some of these guys a run for there money!If I put one of those in the HH Tugboat...it'll probably still only do 50MPH!
...I guess I could always buy a hull to go with it later...hmmmmmm....

[DogHouse]

Havasu Hangin':
Most of the motors I've seen with over 240 duration and/or less than 112 LSA get dicey at 900RPMs...let alone with a big 34" prop and tall gears attached... I'm running 260/268@.050, 114l/c. It will idle somewhat consistently at 750-800 when warm, but it does occasionally load up and die when set that low. EFI would take care of that nicely. 900 would make it more consistent but that's getting to the point where a Bravo starts to slam into gear fairly hard. A 4x4 or SSM with a tranny would allow a higher idle.
-brian

[Havasu Hangin']

DogHouse:
I'm running 260/268@.050, 114l/c.I'm assuming your LSA is close to the 114 LC...114 will usually give you a better idle than a 112 or 110.
Not many 110's out there in boats...unless you have zoomies....
[ May 08, 2003, 01:24 PM: Message edited by: Havasu Hangin' ]

[DogHouse]

Oops, you're right, I meant to say "114 lsa". Installed l/c is actually slightly advanced, right around 113.
-brian

[HBjet]

Dave at DNE wants to build a fuel injection one, he thinks he can get 1100hp out of it. As for the 900rpm idle.... Shouldn't that NOT be a problem when your using a #6 or an IMCO 4X4? And if your going to run 1000hp motor, you would only really want to use one of those drives right? So, therefore it shouldn't be an issue with the idle, etc....
An I wrong in my thinking?
HBjet

[Havasu Hangin']

HBjet:
An I wrong in my thinking?Yes.
Don't think, Jet boy...I don't want to see you sprain your brain.
Clunking in-n-out of gear is one thing...loping around a dock with 1.25 gears and 34" props is another...
How much commission are you getting?

[HBjet]

Havasu Hangin':
How much commission are you getting? Not enough! I owe DNE money.... There currently building me a new motor for my oh so slow jet boat.
HB"Trying to learn the prop thing"jet

[Robbie Racer]

Randy, the blower motor that DNE built for me (1180 hp on 91 octane) idles between 900-1000 rpm in neutral, which doesn't seem to be a problem for my B-max when I plop it into gear. In gear it pulls the idle down to 750 rpm and it amazes me that it will idle all the way through the channel without any problem. Well okay, there is a problem if boats in front of me aren't going 5 mph or faster. That's how fast it idles with the 1.3 gears with the 32 prop. I'm going to test it with the 34 prop this weekend. Take care, R/R

[HBjet]

Robbie Racer:
Randy, the blower motor that DNE built for me (1180 hp on 91 octane) idles between 900-1000 rpm in neutral, which doesn't seem to be a problem for my B-max when I plop it into gear. In gear it pulls the idle down to 750 rpm and it amazes me that it will idle all the way through the channel without any problem. Well okay, there is a problem if boats in front of me aren't going 5 mph or faster. That's how fast it idles with the 1.3 gears with the 32 prop. I'm going to test it with the 34 prop this weekend. Take care, R/R Yeah, next time your down here, or your going to be in Havasu, let me know because I want to help ya with that "Prop Testing"
Well, it sounds like it idles pretty good for you, even when you have 3 carbs to tune!
HBjet

[Robbie Racer]

I have no complaints at all with the idle quality and I think my cam has similar specs as the 1050 hp N/A motor he built for Marty's 21 Daytona. I just wish that I would have been able to afford the heads that he put on that motor. :D
I will let you know when we head that direction again for some prop testing. :cool:

[NO PASS]

I know who is getting the F-29 with 900hp's and #6 drives. He is a educated man who believes Mercury Racing spends more money on R&D then any other engine or outdrive manufacture. Which in turn will hopfully give him the reliability and longevity he is searching for in a 150+ mph open bow CAT. C'ya on the lake!

[Havasu Hangin']

NO PASS:
I know who is getting the F-29 with 900hp's and #6 drives. He is a educated man who believes Mercury Racing spends more money on R&D then any other engine or outdrive manufacture. Which in turn will hopfully give him the reliability and longevity he is searching for in a 150+ mph open bow CAT. C'ya on the lake! Well...look who showed up...da man himself.
So, if such a bad-ass boat was being built...would you happen to have any idea when it'll be on the water?
If this boat was being built...would it need a co-pilot?

[HBjet]

I'm not saying there is anything wrong with Merc, but they are just so much money, and all your paying for is that 3yr warranty! Right?
Anyways, 2000hp (+ or -) will be bad ass in any F29 cat
HBjet

[mbrown2]

Sounds like a sick boat....but I have a tough time saying 150MPH and reliability in the same sentence.
[ May 11, 2003, 04:15 PM: Message edited by: mbrown2 ]

[andy01]

Sounds like one bad ass boat! The 900sc's will be sick! That could be one of the fastest open bows ever!
Andy

[Havasu Hangin']

racingrascal:
That could be one of the fastest open bows ever!Maybe Randy would like to ride in the front at 150MPH (waving a DNE flag, of course)...

[Havasu Cig]

HBjet:
I'm not saying there is anything wrong with Merc, but they are just so much money, and all your paying for is that 3yr warranty! Right?
Anyways, 2000hp (+ or -) will be bad ass in any F29 cat
HBjet Last I heard they were giving 90 days on the 900sc.