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Here is a sneak peek at the TPI 700 EFI. It is an ALL AMERICAN 588Ci BBC making a solid 700+ HP. I thought my fellow "Hot Boaters" would appreciate it. Calling Dr Margarita......................................... .............
http://www2.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/383701mail1.JPG
For more info.....................http://www.tpboats.com/pages/11/index.htm
http://www2.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/383706mail2.JPG
SBullet
04-25-2005, 04:29 PM
Nice motor GT!! What the cost?
phebus
04-25-2005, 04:29 PM
That looks like some serious hardware, and the new TPI emblem on the top of the intake looks great. Very nice................. :D
I am glad to hear the positive feedback. It looks real nice with the CMI's on it. It sounds like a Pro Stock Motor from the drag races. Its very snappy and throaty. There is info and pricing on the link under the first pic. I was hoping to lure Dr Margarita out with this thread, and share some pics/info as well.
Mandelon
04-25-2005, 05:32 PM
Half the price of the 600sci!! Ready to drop in! $31750.00
Lots of cost effective (comparably) choices there.
Dart Big M Tall Deck Block
Callies Forged Steel MAGNUM Crank
Steel Flywheel
OLIVER Forged Steel Connecting Rods
J & E Forged Pistons
TP CUSTOM FIT Ring Set
Dart Pro 1 CNC PORTED Cylinder Heads w/ Inconel Valves
Crane Hydraulic Roller Cam and Valve Train
Complete Electronic Ignition
Custom EFI Plenum and Intake System
CMI Fully Polished Exhaust
12 Qt Oil Pan
Melling Blue Printed Oil Pump
Billet Pulley set
HP Brass Sea Pump
Power Steering Pump
Alternator
Belt Kit
Wiring Harnesses
Motor Mounts
Bellhousing
Coupler
Custom Hose Kit
TP/Imco Polished Valve Covers
Electric Fuel Pump/ Filter
Oil Cooler/ Power Steering Cooler
INSman
04-25-2005, 05:40 PM
I'm thinkin' that a pair of those would be FUUUNNNNNNNNNNN !!!
Nice job as always Gary, continued success !! :D
bordsmnj
04-25-2005, 05:48 PM
those are nice looking motors. been checking your site out every now and then.lotta good stuff there!
roln 20s
04-25-2005, 06:25 PM
Beautiful Gary--I made the call to Tom, I expect him to chime in soon...drooling :D
Roln 20s
A close up of the computer center. A huge part of the research(IMO) is making the power, without a bunch of extra BS. This is everything.......very simple, and easy to understand. EFI's are tricky enough as it is. Let's simplify these big motors!
http://www2.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/383712mail.JPG
Is Tom switching motors in his Bullet?
roln 20s
04-25-2005, 09:26 PM
Is Tom switching motors in his Bullet?
NO comment :rolleyes: :D
Roln 20s
dr. margarita
04-26-2005, 05:45 AM
Obviously I need this motor in time for the regatta.
Gary, would you kindly PM me your phone numbers.
I know Tom really wanted to see the finished product. I was eager to see it too, since it was all in the idea stages for a while. It is A LOT of motor for the price. It will be very interesting to see who ends up with this motor. Believe it or not, in the Summer, it would take at least 7-8 weeks to duplicate this motor, and builders dont usually have something like this done, that you can purchase and have installed(in EFI form). So this should be good for the business, I would think. I am looking for 715-725 Horsepower on the dyno. We will see...........................
Tom,
You know I will take care of you............................BTW all of the external stuff has been powder coated pewter, with polished Stainless brackets.
dicudmore
04-26-2005, 06:27 AM
looks real nice Gary :D :D
INSman
04-26-2005, 06:45 AM
looks real nice Gary :D :D
Hey Dan, dump that 496 and toss in this bad boy !!!!! :jawdrop: :D
Obviously I need this motor in time for the regatta.
Gary, would you kindly PM me your phone numbers.
If Tom does this, then I will have to join him. Any quantity discounts?
I would always question a company that discounts their own prices(LOL). I do not choose to run my business that way(discounting my prices). I hand build all of my own motors, and polish all of my own screw heads. If I had someone else polish them, I would have to do them over! I ALWAYS pass on price breaks to my clients when I receive discounts from my suppliers. I have a very honest and up front business, and I sleep well at night knowing I have treated people right, and helped them honestly. I have a 100% customer satisfaction history, and I will strive to keep it. Summery=The Price is Right!
Holland
04-26-2005, 07:24 PM
Nicely put Gary... I will be in touch soon... I have a 525 and I like the whipple setup...
Nicely put Gary... I will be in touch soon... I have a 525 and I like the whipple setup...
Mr Holland,
Let me know when you are ready, I have a couple different whipple/525 options for you. There have been some significant changes to this kit, and I would be happy to go over them with you. Gary@TPBOATS.com
Thanks
Gary
Jrocket
04-26-2005, 07:45 PM
That thing sure looks familiar.Im guessing with the correct tune it will do 750-780 on the dyno.
BTW,whos dyno you using for this run?
The motor is very similar to the GT Performance 700(The manifold is the same), with a few differences. I have specifically designed my motor to make NO MORE than 725 HP. Guys are having some big problems with boat insurance lately, and I am trying to accomodate them with a "700"HP motor. If a customer wants an 800 with this same configuration, no problem..............its only a cam,timing, and compression ratio change(and a few ECU fuel adjustments). The bottom end of this TP700 will take over 1200 HP. It is very strong. I work closely with GT Performance in Monclair. I always dyno at his facility.
dicudmore
04-27-2005, 08:39 AM
Hey Dan, dump that 496 and toss in this bad boy !!!!! :jawdrop: :D
no prob Blane...just cover me the 30K (I have the rest :wink: ) and we'll run over on my lunch hour... GT's only a few minutes from us :D
INSman
04-27-2005, 08:50 AM
Let m see what I can scratch together real quick for ya " ;)
Essex502
04-27-2005, 08:50 AM
Looks great Gary! I hae one question though....it appears that the oil filter is making the motor longer than it needs to be...can that be relocated easily so as to not be horizontal? It would seem to make the motor more compact for some enginer compartments. Just curious.
Jrocket
04-27-2005, 05:05 PM
I work closely with GT Performance in Monclair. I always dyno at his facility.
Carl do the mapping?I'll see you there one of these days!
Regarding the oil filter location: It will fit under every performance hull's drip rail. Actually, most exhaust tails will pass higher than the filter. This is a great location for oil services, and plumbing too. An HP6 will also clear well in this location. As it stands, it looks like this motor will be sold by the week end. There are several interested parties, but one in particular that is very motivated. I am sure if he is the buyer, he will let all of you know............Its his choice. I think I am going to build another one. It should be done in June.
djunkie
04-27-2005, 05:40 PM
GT if I was to have you build one of these for me, how much notice would you need? If I decide to pull the trigger on a new Bullet I think this would be my choice of power for it. :D
That is a great question= approx 6 weeks. I can build a TPI 700EFI in about 45-50 hrs. Where the time lies, is in the machine work and back ordered suppliers. A good machine shop is busy, and good American Parts take time to get. Since I build one motor at a time, I also order one motor at a time. One thing I have learned from this industry, is it's very hard to predict what kind of power people will want 2+ months from now. That being said, I want to make sure I am building something that someone will want immediately, so I dont tie up so much money at once. It would be nice to have a TP900 sitting in the corner right now ready to go, but they are not as hot right now. This 700 is the hot ticket, along with Whipple upgrades on 525's.
superdave013
04-28-2005, 09:35 AM
wow, it sure looks good. Love the thinking that went into the intake.
Mandelon
04-28-2005, 11:13 AM
When I repower, I'm coming for one!!!! :p
djunkie
04-28-2005, 11:28 AM
Hell I should just get one of these now. Put it in my current boat till I get the new one. Lets see I'm running low 70's with a 15 year old stock 454mag. I wonder what 700hp would do in it. I know, break drives. LOL!!!! :D
wow, it sure looks good. Love the thinking that went into the intake.
As much as I would like to take credit for it, its all Gary Teague(GT Performance). They fabricated the intake, air cleaner and the throttle body for me. I just fit it to my intake ports and made the top of it look cool. You can make some big EFI power with this set up, and 588+ cubic inches(if your into that sorta thing).
This was supposed to be an informational post, not spam. But I guess it just shows how many people are looking.
dicudmore
05-02-2005, 10:54 AM
This was supposed to be an informational post, not spam. But I guess it just shows how many people are looking.
is it going in a Bullet?? :D
All I know is.........................Its Sold. Maybe the buyer will make post, if he wishes............................ He seems like a good guy though
dicudmore
05-02-2005, 01:35 PM
All I know is.........................Its Sold. Maybe the buyer will make post, if he wishes............................ He seems like a good guy though
you're killing me... :D
well congrats to the new buyer...whoever you are...I want a demo ride in your boat after the install :D Heck, a before ride for comparo wouldn't hurt either...
What if its a new Bullet? Then the before ride would be with the 700?
dicudmore
05-02-2005, 07:01 PM
What if its a new Bullet? Then the before ride would be with the 700?
that'd be fine too :D
Take Note...................................
Nothing is sold until it is paid for in full, and delivered.
The buyer changed his mind, which is not a problem. Things come up and I understand that. Bottom Line:
The pictured TPI 700 EFI is available.
Beer-30
05-04-2005, 08:57 AM
Take Note...................................
Nothing is sold until it is paid for in full, and delivered.
The buyer changed his mind, which is not a problem. Things come up and I understand that. Bottom Line:
The pictured TPI 700 EFI is available.
Happens all too often these days!
I think the purchaser's WIFE changed his mind.
dr. margarita
05-04-2005, 09:58 AM
Happens all too often these days!
I think the purchaser's WIFE changed his mind.
Slightly inaccurate.....she was NEVER on board!!! Gary is a great engine builder and I'm very sad the TP700EFI is not going under my hatch!!
Beer-30
05-04-2005, 10:04 AM
Slightly inaccurate.....she was NEVER on board!!! Gary is a great engine builder and I'm very sad the TP700EFI is not going under my hatch!!
Bummer man. That was all jokes. There's always next time!
I thought it would be cool to make up some cards with this motor on it........................
http://www2.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/383tpcardm.jpg
djunkie
05-04-2005, 11:55 AM
Do you offer financing? :devil: Can't quite drain my bank account or I may never buy a home. I wonder how my bravo 1 would do with this in front of it. :D
That's Funny! This is why I will never be a millionare. That would be a pretty good business huh? Build and sell motors, Have enough money to finance them, offer extended warranty's and other options..........Wow sounds like a goldmine. I am pretty sure I couldnt sleep at night if I had that kind of operation. My little business works well for me.
djunkie
05-04-2005, 12:19 PM
That's Funny! This is why I will never be a millionare. That would be a pretty good business huh? Build and sell motors, Have enough money to finance them, offer extended warranty's and other options..........Wow sounds like a goldmine. I am pretty sure I couldnt sleep at night if I had that kind of operation. My little business works well for me.
I was just messin with ya. I know this isn't your everyday job but more of a labor of love. That is way more motor than I need in my little 23'. But when I do get the new boat this is on top of my list as for power.
That was seriously funny. It would be a good money making scheme for someone with no morals. If you ever need a Whipple or an EFI motor, please let me know.
beach gomer
05-05-2005, 03:36 PM
Vary nice motor but I think people forget tou need to factor in the drive as well add another 10k or more plus external steering.
DogHouse
05-05-2005, 06:41 PM
Do you offer financing? :devil: Can't quite drain my bank account or I may never buy a home. I wonder how my bravo 1 would do with this in front of it. :D
Depends on the boat and depends on you. I managed to keep a stock Bravo I alive behind a 588 that made 770 hp / 760 ft-lbs for a couple of years in a 23' tunnel before selling the boat. It probably would have gone belly up eventually, becuase the boat accelerated so hard that I just couldn't resist spanking tons of noisy jet boats!
:D
INSman
05-05-2005, 08:26 PM
Gary
I have a buddy looking at a new Howard 28' and I am pushing him to get your 700. I'll let you know how things progress !!
Blane
Thanks Blane,
There have been a couple of inquire'ees lately from new 28 Bullet buyers. It comes off the dyno next week and will be in a plastic bag ready to go after that.
INSman
05-06-2005, 07:35 AM
Thanks Blane,
There have been a couple of inquire'ees lately from new 28 Bullet buyers. It comes off the dyno next week and will be in a plastic bag ready to go after that.
He is thinking of maybe trying to buy Billy's boat and I am telling him just to build his own with your 700 in her. Have a good weekend !!
http://www2.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/2294shocker.jpg
I will post a full report as soon at it comes off the dyno.
Fresh off the dyno:
742 HP @ 5700 RPM
The torque curve is pretty broad, making over 650 ft/lbs at 3600 and climbing gradually to 697 ft/lbs at 4600 rpms. We actually made over 754 HP with a more agressive tune up. At 742 HP, it will be happy there on 91 octane.
Jrocket
05-13-2005, 01:22 PM
That thing sure looks familiar.Im guessing with the correct tune it will do 750-780 on the dyno.
BTW,whos dyno you using for this run?
So close! :D
djunkie
05-13-2005, 01:23 PM
Fresh off the dyno:
742 HP @ 5700 RPM
The torque curve is pretty broad, making over 650 ft/lbs at 3600 and climbing gradually to 697 ft/lbs at 4600 rpms. We actually made over 754 HP with a more agressive tune up. At 742 HP, it will be happy there on 91 octane.
I can hear my outdrive crying from here. And I'm 300 miles away from it. :D
Very impressive GT. Sounds like you got a winner there.
So close! :D
JRocket:
If I would have run a little higher compression ratio (.5), that definately would have been the range(750-780). I actually thought at 10:1, I would be at about 725. I'm Pleasantly surprised.
Jrocket
05-13-2005, 02:28 PM
JRocket:
If I would have run a little higher compression ratio (.5), that definately would have been the range(750-780). I actually thought at 10:1, I would be at about 725. I'm Pleasantly surprised.
I saw the motor down there,or atleast i think it was yours.Looked good either way.
Beer-30
05-13-2005, 02:33 PM
JRocket:
If I would have run a little higher compression ratio (.5), that definately would have been the range(750-780). I actually thought at 10:1, I would be at about 725. I'm Pleasantly surprised.
It would be interesting to see one at 9.5-9.7:1 and see if it would hit your 715-725 target on 87???
djunkie
05-13-2005, 02:40 PM
It would be interesting to see one at 9.5-9.7:1 and see if it would hit your 715-725 target on 87???
I think I still would want to run 91 at that comp. ratio.
Thats an interesting idea? We made some adjustments to the timing, and I could not get it to knock at all on 91. Maybe on the next one?
Beer-30
05-13-2005, 03:07 PM
Thats an interesting idea? We made some adjustments to the timing, and I could not get it to knock at all on 91.
Yeah if the knock sensor wasn't giving any hits at 10.1 on 91, 9.5 on 87 should be real happy and safe. Don't ya just love injection?
The reason I brough it up, is there are lots of people who just wanna run 87. Additionally, you wanted to stop at 725, right? You could kill two birds with one EFI stone.
Although I like the idea of an 87 octane high perf motor, I really like to see my motors running on 91 octane. Gas is expensive, but so are parts. From what I have seen so far, the people buying 700+ HP EFI's arent balking at the fact that they run on 91. This 700 is plenty safe on 91, and truthfully, I like having a motor that makes a significant amount of power over the rated 700 hp. It sounds great, I am looking forward to seeing it on the water.
Beer-30
05-13-2005, 03:26 PM
Ok, just make another version at 8.0-8.5:1 with about 7lbs of intercooled boost. I'll bet it would still be perfectly happy on 91. Or, twin turbo? Just keep the sharp edges out of the chambers.
Beer-30
05-13-2005, 03:27 PM
BTW, is the ECM running sequential on the injectors? or are they batched.?
Beer-30
05-13-2005, 06:46 PM
Batched
Really. I though all of the ECMs these days were sequential. Hmm. I guess there's a few left.
As far as I know, anyone running mefi4A computers on their efi's, has them batched, all of mine are.
Beer-30
05-13-2005, 07:13 PM
As far as I know, anyone running mefi4A computers on their efi's, has them batched, all of mine are.
Ok, wasn't sure which ECM you ran.
I've been following the evolution of this unit. Seems nice. For street apps, I like that it will control the electronic auto trans.
www.bigstuff3.com
It's also one of the few that monitors two O2 sensors. You are going all out on building these motors. Why not take it to the next level and have some headers made with bungs prior to H2O mixing and run O2 sensors on each bank?! Plus, being sequential and having it drive whatever Ign - including coil-per-cylinder!
Talk about taking your motor(s) to the next level of efficiency!
Jetboatguru
05-13-2005, 08:28 PM
Ole Gare,
It's great to see you doing well with your business. Congratulations and good luck with your continued success.
Doug Dimoakis. :wink:
Thanks Doug,
Just one small guy trying to keep up with the big guys.........................I am still waiting for you to retire from the 17'-19' size range and move up to something a little safer and family oriented. We want to keep you around a while. How about a Howard 25 Bullet with a 700 HP efi? I know a guy that could hook you up?
Jetboatguru
05-13-2005, 09:02 PM
Thanks Doug,
Just one small guy trying to keep up with the big guys.........................I am still waiting for you to retire from the 17'-19' size range and move up to something a little safer and family oriented. We want to keep you around a while. How about a Howard 25 Bullet with a 700 HP efi? I know a guy that could hook you up?
Gare,
I took the step and bought a 26 DCB with (are you ready?) Twin 300 Pro Maxs. :eek: :eek:
Carrie was tired of sitting on the beach and I really liked the cat. Got a great deal on it and have used it 3 times in one week. I am still a TPBoats fan though!
"Hey how about that prop? Does that go with the boat?
When you get tired of the sound of those blenders back there, let me know. A little gel coat repair and a few new holes and you will be rumbling with V8 power. Seriously though, enjoy your boat, that is a top of the line product!
I am happy to say that this TPI 700 EFI has a new home. It will be going in the all new 2005 Howard Deckboat. I have started production on another TPI 700 EFI. I feel that it will have a home soon too, as this one has received a lot of attention. As of yet, it has not been spoken for.
roln 20s
06-03-2005, 06:06 PM
I am happy to say that this TPI 700 EFI has a new home. It will be going in the all new 2005 Howard Deckboat. I have started production on another TPI 700 EFI. I feel that it will have a home soon too, as this one has received a lot of attention. As of yet, it has not been spoken for.
Congrats Gary--that is going to be one BAD ASS package. I can't wait to see it. I saw pics of the mold sprayed, getting glassed...can't wait for them to pop that thing. You have any idea when its gonna happen?
Patrick
I would think they would have it out by next Friday, or so. It should run very well with that 700.
DogHouse
06-03-2005, 07:33 PM
Really. I though all of the ECMs these days were sequential. Hmm. I guess there's a few left.
I think most will run sequential or batch. I know the EM unit I use will do either, but for sequential you have to add a cam trigger in addition to the crank trigger. I haven't bothered to do that yet so I'm still running batch.
-brian
The Mefi4 should do both. This batched set up I am running is very straight forward, and has much less moving parts= Less potential problems. I have had very good luck with it, and so have ALL of my customers.
phebus
06-04-2005, 08:11 AM
I hope that the 700 isn't going in the first Howard deckboat. I was hoping to see what the new boat did with a 496HO, or maybe something a little bigger, but a stock Mercury engine so comparisons could be made to the other deckboats out there.
That is an awesome engine, and I'm sure it will make that thing run.
roln 20s
06-04-2005, 08:25 AM
I hope that the 700 isn't going in the first Howard deckboat. I was hoping to see what the new boat did with a 496HO, or maybe something a little bigger, but a stock Mercury engine so comparisons could be made to the other deckboats out there.
That is an awesome engine, and I'm sure it will make that thing run.
I had a feeling the first would have big power..and it will. I would expect 75% if these boats to get the Merc 525. I'm sure the second will have stock Merc power. I'm interested in seeing the comparisons too. That Merc 600 would be pretty sweet in that boat--assuming you have mad coin. I'd rather have Gary's motor though. I'm sure there will be some Howard deckboat owner with a quadrotor at some point.
Gary-- you know if they are doing all the deckboats in composite as originally discussed?
Patrick
The first deckboat is getting the 700. And the owner is very excited, he's a good guy. As far as all of them being composite, I do not know. I do know it will have a very strong lay up. The glasswork looks great. As far as comparisons go, I believe that a true comparison will show all similar boats tested in the spring at the same place at the same time in the same exact conditions. I guess you could run a test mid-summer, but no one would be making the most out of their power plants. I see this first boat being on the water in July, Probably the worst time to get speed out of anything. I am sure someone will put a 496 in one at some time. But I hope the second, third , and fourth owners choose 700's. :rollside:
Essex502
06-08-2005, 04:46 PM
hey Gary - nice to meet you today...I didn't realize since I haven't been on the site much that your motor was going to power the first deck boat. Mike thinks the hull will pop this week and if it does I'll definitely be there to snap a few first pics of it.
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