How To Make My Boat "Air Out"

[n8dawg]

Alright after looking at pictures of my boat going down river it looks and feels like there's to much boat in the water. The nose doesn't sit up when I'm on it hard. It's a 19ft. Miller w/ 455 olds, Jacuzzi WJ with about a 4 degree wedge in it. I don't really know anything else about the boat (a or b prop?) But it did run a best of 65 mph (gps) with no baffels, no water to the headers, and AV gas going down river! Would a place diverter get me a up to 70mph? I saw this green and white boat at the FC3 with a sick rooster and he was walkin that boat all over the waves. That looks like a pretty thrilling ride!http://www2.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/25272003_0130Image0133.JPG

[riverbound]

Nice looking boat

[n8dawg]

oops wrong picture.http://www2.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/25272003_0130Image0139.JPG

[MudPumper]

n8dawg, that boat is riding really wet. A diverter would be a good place to start. Does that boat have saddle tanks????

[n8dawg]

saddle tanks? There on both sides in the back, pushed all the way up against the transom.

[MudPumper]

saddle tanks? There on both sides in the back, pushed all the way up against the transom.
Those are saddle tanks. Some boats have a belly tank up under the bow which kills performance, just wanted to make sure you didn't have one of those.

[Mighty Thor]

He is in moving boat with the sun shining and next to him is a hot female in a small suit. Who the hell cares how fast he is goin. Life couldn't get much better than that picture right there.

[riverbound]

He is in moving boat with the sun shining and next to him is a hot female in a small suit. Who the hell cares how fast he is goin. Life couldn't get much better than that picture right there.
I was thinking the same thing.. :cool:

[wsuwrhr]

Some boats have a belly tank up under the bow which kills performance, just wanted to make sure you didn't have one of those.
You mean like mine?
Brian

[460 jus getn it]

He is in moving boat with the sun shining and next to him is a hot female in a small suit. Who the hell cares how fast he is goin. Life couldn't get much better than that picture right there.
amen :D :D :D

[n8dawg]

Thanks for the complements guys! But the chick next to me likes to go fast also! So would a droop get it out of the water more than just a diverter?

[BrendellaJet]

Have your stock WJ nozzle cut off by Jack at MPD and you can bolt a droop to it. That WJ wedge is probably hurting your overall performance. WJ diverters by design are pretty weak because of the built in nozzle(its attached to the bowl)...

[Floored]

http://www.classicboatbeachbash.com/cbbb04/cbbb040124.JPG my 455 with wj and a side view of my wj modified to use a berk droop and place diverter.http://www2.***boat.com/image_center/showphoto.php?photo=71485&size=big&password=&sort=7&thecat=998

[MudPumper]

Here you go
http://www2.***boat.com/image_center/data/502/997bieser_455-1.jpg

[n8dawg]

thank you, sweet set up. hows the performance with that?

[disco_charger]

Have your stock WJ nozzle cut off by Jack at MPD and you can bolt a droop to it. That WJ wedge is probably hurting your overall performance. WJ diverters by design are pretty weak because of the built in nozzle(its attached to the bowl)...
If you go through all that trouble, maybe an energizer kit? That gives him a better bowl, the ability to use the PD and all kind of other goodies, like a ride plate. The boat is too wet, and he's just using up motor.

[Brooski]

Hey Nate, if you are going to spend alot of cash trying to get it right, why dont you buy a used Berkeley pump and go from there. Check with Nelson, I think he had one for sale at one time pretty cheap, and a Berkeley would definitely be more efficient. I dont know about the mounting to the intake though. Anyone agree?

[Zeug]

Here you go
http://www2.***boat.com/image_center/data/502/997bieser_455-1.jpg
Hey Floored,
A couple of questions for you. Did you weld the adapter to your bowl or just bolt it on? And, did you shoe your intake or just add the ride plate?
Thanks!

[n8dawg]

I'm getting a berkley pump this weekend for free ( don't know what kind of berkley it is ) but it will be awhile before I can get the cash for that upgrade to rebuild that pump. So in the mean time, I just wanted everyones opinion on if they thought the boat looked wet and if I can get a little more out of it.

[cole13]

I'm getting a berkley pump this weekend for free ( don't know what kind of berkley it is ) but it will be awhile before I can get the cash for that upgrade to rebuild that pump. So in the mean time, I just wanted everyones opinion on if they thought the boat looked wet and if I can get a little more out of it.
I would be curious to know if you would have to change the intake, or if you could just slap the new pump right on the old intake. N8 talk to Nelson 109 I remember him saying that he could get seals for the pump for real cheap. It would be a fun project to say the least.

[Brooski]

Just have Nelson do it for you if you just want a standard rebuild. He did mine in my old boat, did a cherry job. Unless you want a trick build up, he could do it. (I think I should get a cut if he charges you, for promotion. lol)

[XClutchboy725]

Airing it out!
http://www2.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/310PhotoMental_Shot_300.jpg

[cole13]

Airing it out!
http://www2.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/310PhotoMental_Shot_300.jpg
I can do that too!! But what does it look like when you are running flat? That is the question here. COOL PIC by the way!

[1978 Rogers]

I didn't realize how much performance an out of tune pump can take. I'm hitting your speed in my boat with a mild 460 w/ logs & rebuilt jg. No PD or droop. You have OT headers and dual carbs.

[XClutchboy725]

You mean like this?
http://www.classicboatbeachbash.com/cbbb04/cbbb040114.JPG

[cole13]

you're kidding right? That is awesome, with four people in the boat. Do you have a lot of horsepower, ride plate droop, place divertor?

[n8dawg]

hey didn't I see that boat in ***boat? That's what I'm talking about! I want that dangerous ride feeling! :D

[XClutchboy725]

no, that picture isn't a true set! I just like it.
I've been looking around and I can't find a pic of my boat with a good set.
I don't have the hp that most guys here do, but with the place diverter, droop and ride plate, my boat rides pretty high in the water...

[XClutchboy725]

hey didn't I see that boat in ***boat? That's what I'm talking about! I want that dangerous ride feeling! :D
yep! It was a few years back----"Dad's Boat" as I'm the 2nd generation owner...

[n8dawg]

good looking boat! I still have that copy of ***boat.

[cole13]

hey didn't I see that boat in ***boat? That's what I'm talking about! I want that dangerous ride feeling! :D
If you want that dangerous ride feeling, next time we are out. You stand on shore and say hit it. when the rope gets tight jump in the air and hold on to the handle and I will pull you around with the divertor up all the way. But just to make it safe I will give you a life jacket. hahaha.
Your boat runs hard, be happy it starts and you do not have to throw gobs of money into. You know more then anyone that when you want speed you better be willing to pay for it. Plus if you start messing with your boat then I am going to pony up to compete. and with the twins coming that is going to be hard.

[BrendellaJet]

I'm getting a berkley pump this weekend for free ( don't know what kind of berkley it is ) but it will be awhile before I can get the cash for that upgrade to rebuild that pump. So in the mean time, I just wanted everyones opinion on if they thought the boat looked wet and if I can get a little more out of it.
Well if you want to go that route, then theres not much you can do without spending money. If it were mine, Id keep the WJ instead of setting a different intake in the boat. Ive never compared the two, but it is very likely that it wont be a drop in deal. Be cheaper to keep the WJ and have it rebuilt. As far as the energizer kit, you could go that route too, but you'll end up paying more money than if you had Jack do a blueprint to the WJ parts. With the energizer you are getting stock quality parts, that still are in need of a detail if you want max performance. The WJ can b worked into a quality pump, it just has a few short commings, nothing a couple hundred bucks wont fix. Way cheaper than buying a $1600 kit. My .02...

[n8dawg]

Cole13- your boat air's it out good just when your cruzing ( I know from all the pics I have of it... by the way tell Jen good job on taking pics of us.) I just gotta get my boat to ride on top of the water. My boats already faster than yours but I just wanna blow your doors off! :devil:

[cole13]

Cole13- your boat air's it out good just when your cruzing ( I know from all the pics I have of it... by the way tell Jen good job on taking pics of us.) I just gotta get my boat to ride on top of the water. My boats already faster than yours but I just wanna blow your doors off! :devil:
I will, lets see some, I know she took like 10 pictures of your boat. Your boat is faster then mine granted. (Here comes the excuses) I am handicapped when it comes to timing and tune-ups, The pump needs to be re-built, I have not put any time or money into it in three years. This is a good thing. The bimini top is always up, ummm there has to be more. Oh yea. I weigh more then you do, have two batteries in the boat. Oh and I have a Chrysler! That should be about it.
But with all of the above, I still have yet to go to the river and have a bad time! It gets us from A to B, with out being towed.

[Brooski]

:idea: Hmm, counting coles and nates boats, it appears I can beat 4 boats now. yee haw

[n8dawg]

yeah you might beat us but we had by far the best day beach on sunday. Beat this Roger!http://www2.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/25272003_0130Image0086.JPG

[Brooski]

Yeah, you win on that one. Do you want me to post a pic of me on sunday? It should be easy, a picture of 4 lanes of blacktop with broken lines on it. That was all I saw for 5 hours......Oh yeah, and lots of bugs on the windshield.

[MudPumper]

yeah you might beat us but we had by far the best day beach on sunday. Beat this Roger!http://www2.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/25272003_0130Image0086.JPG
n8dawg, that is the best beach on all of the lower river. Really nice spot, I spent a little time there last year. :D

[MudPumper]

n8dawg, here is a pic of me cruising on pretty flat water with the diverter in the flat position, I also have a droop snoot. Boat is wet right about under my seat.
http://www2.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/1653BV_Cruise.JPG
And here is a pic of me running wide open with the diverter up. Boat is wet just under the engine.
http://www2.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/1653BV_Roost.JPG

[cole13]

:idea: Hmm, counting coles and nates boats, it appears I can beat 4 boats now. yee haw
Brooski, you just have to come out June 3,4 and 5th, and we will see who's is faster, LOL We stay at lost lake though, and if you are pulling triple's in may be a little tought to get in there.

[Brooski]

That is on the lower river, right? Yeah, that would be a tough one. You need to make the drive to Naci. :idea:

[cole13]

That is on the lower river, right? Yeah, that would be a tough one. You need to make the drive to Naci. :idea:
It is 31 miles off the 10, about 10 miles away from Big River. I know that N8 goes to Naci alot. THe first couple years we had the boat we would go to Naci every other weekend. But the camping there got to expensive, and they would charge us for the dog. We found this place, and can run all day long on glassy water. And the camping is much cheaper.

[MudPumper]

That is on the lower river, right? Yeah, that would be a tough one. You need to make the drive to Naci. :idea:
Roger, that is just down river about 15 min from where we were last weekend.

[Floored]

the adapter is bolted on. the ride plate and shoe are one piece machined. I haven't tried to adjust the plate for more perf. pump is 6 yrs old now so maybe I need to pull impeller and have it detailed.

[XClutchboy725]

n8dawg, here is a pic of me cruising on pretty flat water with the diverter in the flat position, I also have a droop snoot. Boat is wet right about under my seat.
http://www2.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/1653BV_Cruise.JPG
And here is a pic of me running wide open with the diverter up. Boat is wet just under the engine.
http://www2.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/1653BV_Roost.JPG
Now that there Clark is a NICE SET!

[Brooski]

Looks kinda flat to me...oh, I was somewhere else with my thinking of a nice set (2 things come to mind). :rollside:
Cool, I will have to check that place out sometime. Is Lost Lake just a spot on the river, or an actual lake?

[MudPumper]

Looks kinda flat to me...oh, I was somewhere else with my thinking of a nice set (2 things come to mind). :rollside:
Cool, I will have to check that place out sometime. Is Lost Lake just a spot on the river, or an actual lake?
It's just a spot on the river in front of the Lost Lake Campground.

[cole13]

Looks kinda flat to me...oh, I was somewhere else with my thinking of a nice set (2 things come to mind). :rollside:
Cool, I will have to check that place out sometime. Is Lost Lake just a spot on the river, or an actual lake?
It is just a spot on the river, but if you go down river about 2 mintues, there is a little inlet that when the water is high looks like a lake. It is kind of marshy though so we usually just float in there.

[396_WAYS_TO_SPIT]

Damn jeff, that boat is still looking clean;) We will finally meet this year. I am almost done with my new kachina. I still want to thank you in person for the driveline. I will be at cbbb this year for sure.
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