How many Batteries??

[KREGER]

I am going to install 4 PPI amps with a toatal of 3500 - 4000 RMS Watts Combined. How many batteries are you guys running to support this size system to run while parked on the shore?? Thanks

[WET HULL]

I am running the Honda genny. Its cost more up front, but well worth it. My stereo which is the same size will kill two batteries in under an hour. The genny set up cost about $1400 with the power supply but in the long run it will save you money. Batteries need to be replaced often when beat up like that. If you really want batteries I would run the Optimas with 4 of them dedicated to the stereo. You can adjust that number depending on your listening habits.
Good Luck,
Wet

[phebus]

I would do it right from the start, and go with a genny set-up. :idea:

[KREGER]

I would do it right from the start, and go with a genny set-up. :idea:
Thanks guys My wife is going to kill me when the Generator shows up. What size?? :cool:

[WET HULL]

Honda EU2000 is more then enough power. Do not get the EU1000. You also need the Cascade APS-75 power supply. It filters out the noise from the generator. So don't get a cheap knock off. Its about $330-$380. Good luck with the wife. Do it like I do, buy the stuff and when it shows up try and look cute or hide. Which ever is best for you that day.

[KREGER]

Honda EU2000 is more then enough power. Do not get the EU1000. You also need the Cascade APS-75 power supply. It filters out the noise from the generator. So don't get a cheap knock off. Its about $330-$380. Good luck with the wife. Do it like I do, buy the stuff and when it shows up try and look cute or hide. Which ever is best for you that day.
Thanks for the great advice. How many batteries "with" the genee??

[WET HULL]

2 to maintain a constant power supply. No need for any more then that.

[KREGER]

Don't ever speak in absolutes. ;) I could do a 10,000 watt system that two generators couldn't keep up with. That APS is only 75 amps output, my system draws between 100-140 amps at 3/4 volume.
As with anything, your mileage may vary.
Do you use one of these?
(APS is only 75 amps output)

[KREGER]

The system is ready to go in.
2 PPI 1500.1's
4 JL 12W6V2's
2 PPI 600.4's
4 Peerless 6" Mids
8 Peerless 1" Dome Tweeds with 9 oz magnets.
http://usera.imagecave.com/kreger/2A600X4-copy.jpg

[KREGER]

No, I don't run a generator, .
How long before you drop off at desired volume levels??

[Magic34]

ShockwaveBob knows his stuff, but I dont think that it will pull 150 amps though (the only part I think he went high on). My last system had twice the power you are putting in and on the meter, the most amps it pulled was 165 and that was on the really low bass notes at full volume. It seemed the average was around 115 or so at full volume. I would think that the 75 amp continuous would be OK for what you are doing.
BTW, my equipment was JBL, with 1000+ watts going to each of the 4 12" subs.
Now I have half of that in my new boat and am happy with how 5 batteries work, but I dont play DJ for more than an hour or so.
I'm adding a Honda EU2000, but that is for the A/C. :)
Bob is playing is safe though in his advice and doing it right the first time which will save you money in the long run then trying 2-3 different setups.

[KREGER]

Good stuff! Thanks for the info.
Bob where did you hang on Saturday? We were in the channel but my eyes were burning from the exaust. We headed up to the Sand Bar on Sun....

[Magic34]

I've watched my digital amp gauge nip at 190 a couple times, .
Damn!!!!!!! That is high. It must be loud as hell!!!
Nice. :cool:

[KREGER]

I'm a Parker Hood Rat. Pretty much if you pass the little sandbar across from Foxes, we'll be there.
Cool :cool:
We went to the Roadrunner at Parker for a lunch stop before driving home on Monday.

[OldYeller]

I am going to install 4 PPI amps with a toatal of 3500 - 4000 RMS Watts Combined. How many batteries are you guys running to support this size system to run while parked on the shore?? Thanks
Im running about 10,000 watts of equipment. I have 4 27tm trojan batteries, and 2 T-105 (6 volt golf cart batteries wired in series) located within 3 feet of the amps to keep the power lines low. The T-105 work great, they can put out a lots of power and have about 30% more amp hour capacity than 2 12 volt batteries. I can run all day no problem. Might be a little overkill, but I like lots of power.

[KREGER]

Does your alternator charge them or do you charge them at night? I would like to run the Generator, but it looks like I will be runnung 4 optima batteries. Now I need to figure out the wiring set up for charging them and what switches if any to use. Do they have automatic setups where you charge everthing but the amps do not draw on the statrer battery?? Thanks for the input. :)
We will be out next weekend in Havasu and I will bring the boat back to CA to get it on!!!

[OldYeller]

My alternator helps, but I definately need to plug them in when I get home. If you do the math, I have about 850 AH capacity. Even if I were to have a 100 amp alternator, it would still take over 8 hours if I were to run the batteries down. Even plugging them every night, if I push the stereo hard, by the 3rd day, there isnt much power in them, and they have to sit on a charger for a few days. I dont have a seperate engine battery set up, but I would recommend having a dedicated battery for the engine. A dead engine battery is a little embarrasing.

[KREGER]

What brand how many?

[shadow]

Submarine batteries are where it's at. I put at least 12 hours of play time on them this weekend, without a charge, and still had 12.6 volts when we shut it down at 6:30 pm on Sunday. Generator smenarator. :D
Yep!! I was gonna say the same thing but everyone seems to think Generators are the way to go.Generators are definately a sweet set up,but i can't complain i can get a full weekend of cranking my stereo without a charge,then if i plug it in.I can be completely charged in one night.Going on 5 seasons so far without any problems.

[KREGER]

Submarine batteries are where it's at.
Where do you get those ? They seem tooo big

[shadow]

Where do you get those ? They seem tooo big
Heres one place www.lifelinebatteries.com look at the 8d's. yes they are large and weigh about the same as 5 optimas.
As long as you are not trying to win any races,and want the benifits of cranking your stereo all weekend.
You will also need to buy a true 40amp charger to charge them properly,Lifeline sells these as well.
This set up may not be the best for everyone,due to size and weight of batteries.If you've got space and don't mind the weight they work awesome.

[KREGER]

I am having trouble finding the 8D's. What do they run? Pricewise

[OldYeller]

If you have a "battery" store in your area, they can get them. If you still have problems, go to a RV service center. A lot of the diesel pusher motorhomes are running 8D batteries. They are heavy, but you will be able to run them for quite awhile. The bigger charger is definately a must, a 10 amp charger just wont get them charged overnight. If space is an issue with the batteries, then getting 4 T-105 Trojan golf cart batteries works really well. You can move them in different locations if necessary. Dont skimp on the battery wire though. Im running 2/0 from the batteries to the distribution block, then #8 to each amp. You just need to figure out how much current all of your combined amps will pull and how far the run is from the batteries to the amps. There are tables that can tell you what size wire to use. The shorter the run from the batteries to the amps, the better, but not necessary if good wire is used.

[Essex29]

Discover 8DA-A. 666 reserve minutes @ 25 amps. I am running two of them. Not sure on retail. My cost was $265 per.
Hey John,
How would one of these stand up top 3 scosche 2150's?? :idea:

[OldYeller]

Hey John,
How would one of these stand up top 3 scosche 2150's?? :idea:
2150's are a cranking battery (and very expensive at that), not a deepcycle, which is what you want. They are nice as far as maintance free goes though. Deepcycle batteries must stay full with water.

[Jesster]

2150's are a cranking battery (and very expensive at that), not a deepcycle, which is what you want. They are nice as far as maintance free goes though. Deepcycle batteries must stay full with water.
I am going to dissagree with you on this. The scosche 2150's are made by Odyssey and are the same as the Odyssey 2150. They have a Deep cycling capability of 400 at 80% DOD. Now if thats not a deep cycle battery I don't know what is.
SWB is going to have to answer the question on how they compare to his though, I think he has had both.

[BADASS38CHEVY]

Im running 2 2150 for 2900 watts and a genny with cascade 75a.Here is where I got batteries from http://www.odysseybatteries.com/ they are in corona.

[KREGER]

I called today and the Lifeline 8D's cost over 700$ and weigh 160 lbs. The AH appears to be 255.
For four Yellow top Optima batteries it would give you 75 X 4 for 300 AH For the same cost, but it would weigh 240.. Does this seem like a better value? Does amp hours reflect capacity? This is what I seem to understand.
The whole equation comes to capacity + lowest price + chargability = what I will get. :)

[KREGER]

Discover 8DA-A weigh in at 180 and have 290 AH and 666 reserve minutes @ 25 amps. Let me pick one up for you, I could probably save you $300. They make a 8DA-B that's the same spec as the one you quoted.
:) Is that the submarine battery? What would I charge it with???? Thanks

[BoatFloating]

:) Is that the submarine battery? What would I charge it with???? Thanks
A submarine charger..... :)

[KREGER]

Shockwavebob are goona check your
PM's???
What do i have to do to save $300 ?? I see your close by... :) Thanks

[vegasriverjunkie]

I'm just curious how many amps does a 1500 watt system pull??? I only have 2 amps, 1 being a zapco 1000.4 and the other a JL 450. Any info would be helpful.

[shadow]

I called today and the Lifeline 8D's cost over 700$ and weigh 160 lbs. The AH appears to be 255.
For four Yellow top Optima batteries it would give you 75 X 4 for 300 AH For the same cost, but it would weigh 240.. Does this seem like a better value? Does amp hours reflect capacity? This is what I seem to understand.
The whole equation comes to capacity + lowest price + chargability = what I will get. :)
Not sure who you talked to,But cost should be under $400.00
If you decide to go the Lifeline route call the Lifeline in Azuza and ask for Dave.Should be $390.00

[KREGER]

Not sure who you talked to,But cost should be under $400.00
If you decide to go the Lifeline route call the Lifeline in Azuza and ask for Dave.Should be $390.00
Temecula valley RV I think. Thanks for the lead shadow. I will. Where is Azuza? :)

[shadow]

Temecula valley RV I think. Thanks for the lead shadow.
Shockwavebob should be able to hook you up,if not let me know and i'll get the Phone # for you.

[KREGER]

Shockwavebob should be able to hook you up,if not let me know and i'll get the Phone # for you. K :cool:

[KREGER]

I am going to start out with 2 Odyssey 2150's and a charger from West Coast Batteries. Then have a 175 AMP Alternator dopped in @ Quality Power. They are also going to put in a relay that disconnects the cranking battery from the system of the setup while the ignition is off. When it is running, the relay will automatically connect all the batteries to get a charge.
I imagine a generator is in my future, but I will see how this holds up. I hope for 2- 3 hours on the of play time on the shore and hopefully the alternator will take up some slack while cruzzin'. :) Puttin it in next week. I have to put together the boxes and paint resin on and cover them. Should be hearing it in two Weeks :)