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Keith E. Sayre
05-19-2005, 02:34 PM
I've been told that there is a way to locate someone posting on a website
from some sort of address that comes with their message? I'm remembering
someone calling it an "IP" address or something like that.
As many of you may have seen recently, there is a thread about a deckboat
that we recently built and someone using the name of kingof speed is doing
his best to ruin this thread. I feel badly for the owner of the boat and I would like to know who is doing this. He's made tons of false statements which hurts the boat owners feeling, is talking bad about Dick Vale and his
work and now has also degraded Conquest Boats.
If someone could call me or email me or pm me with any info that will help me
to identify this kingof speed person, I would greatly appreciate it. He's bitten off more than he chew. He just doesn't know it yet. Thank you.
Keith SAyre
928-680-1400

Jordy
05-19-2005, 02:39 PM
Keith,
Check with HH or Rexone. They should be able to compare the ip of the offender and see who it matches up with. ;)

welk2party
05-19-2005, 02:43 PM
I know Wes "Froggystyle" has hashed out an identity on here before.

Jordy
05-19-2005, 02:44 PM
I know Wes "Froggystyle" has hashed out an identity on here before.
Froggy also had an in. ;)

Tom Brown
05-19-2005, 02:44 PM
Keith,
Send links to the posts in question to a moderator and request that they provide you with an IP address. From there, you have some options.
They can make it difficult to figure out who they are but true anonymity is near impossible these days. :)

Panic Button
05-19-2005, 02:48 PM
IP's are only really good if the user has a static IP. If they use any type of dial up or AOL type service it changes each time they post. You would need a court order to obtain this from the big companies, on who actually logged in an was issued that address. Many times with different types of servers you can have multipal users with the same "real world" IP address.

Biglue
05-19-2005, 02:50 PM
Man this dude really pissed Keith off. Let us know what happens.

Tom Brown
05-19-2005, 02:52 PM
You would need a court order to obtain this from the big companies, on who actually logged in an was issued that address. Many times with different types of servers you can have multipal users with the same "real world" IP address.
If someone is serious about pursuing slander - proxy, dial, and dhcp logs can be obtained. Tracking someone down is not particularly difficult, the ISPs have facilities to do just that. You have to be serious, though.

Tom Brown
05-19-2005, 02:52 PM
Man this dude really pissed Keith off.
Yeah.
Hey Keith, it could be worse. It's not like this guy cut you off in the channel, or something.

Panic Button
05-19-2005, 02:55 PM
If someone is serious about pursuing slander - proxy, dial, and dhcp logs can be obtained. Tracking someone down is not particularly difficult, the ISPs have facilities to do just that. You have to be serious, though.
True, but very costly and time consuming...

Panic Button
05-19-2005, 02:59 PM
There are serveral companies that will spoof addresses for you, they are mainly located in Europe and the former USSR. Good luck on getting any info from them. Also, the HB User agreement needs to be changed, if you release any info to a private party, HB can be also liable for breach of privacy...

Mandelon
05-19-2005, 03:02 PM
If someone is serious about pursuing slander - proxy, dial, and dhcp logs can be obtained. Tracking someone down is not particularly difficult, the ISPs have facilities to do just that. You have to be serious, though.
And I used to wonder why all of Tom's ex girlfriends had restraining orders against him..... :hammer2:

rvrhlic
05-19-2005, 03:04 PM
You can use source like http://www.arin.net/whois/ to see where the IP if from but I seriously doubt without a court order the ISP is going to provide you the information on who the user is. Also, most organizations have a few IPs across the whole group so that adds another element to it.
Good luck though.

Keith E. Sayre
05-19-2005, 03:05 PM
You know if someone got on here and trashed me out somehow, that's ok
and that's the risk that I take by being on these boards and having a rather
"public" job and a loud crazy truck and nasty Schiada etc. But this guy is bad for business and mean to my customer. That is upsetting. Those of you that know me know that I take my customers thoughts and feelings very seriously.
My customer had no idea that I was going to put that thread on Hot Boat. I did so knowing that the people at Hot Boat are very educated about boats and would be impressed by such a nice package. I was anticipating a multitude of compliments so that I could show the customer what people thought of his new boat etc. I didn't count on someone ruining the moment for my customer.
I'm thinking a very public apology on the boards will be sufficient immediately or a very public apology on the boards after a very expensive, long and protracted legal agreement can be reached. Did I mention that it will be expensive?
Thanks to those of you who have responded. I appreciate your input.
Now let's get back to boating!
Keith Sayre

Sixpacked
05-19-2005, 03:17 PM
Keith, Good luck tracking down that jerk...but tell your customers not to let one jealous fool ruin their high...That is a gorgeous boat! And come on...the guy drives a Bayliner... :p

Keith E. Sayre
05-19-2005, 03:29 PM
I'm cooling off a bit now. Just spoke with my customer and he's laughing
about it. I wonder what goes through peoples minds that make them get
mean and degrading? Anyone been boating lately?
Keith Sayre

Sixpacked
05-19-2005, 03:34 PM
Last weekend ... Beautiful as always here in paradise - I love living here!! :cool:

RiverDave
05-19-2005, 03:34 PM
Keith, I read that guys posts and what he had to say... If you get lucky (which I'm kinda doubting) He may have been stupid enough to just register another name and post from a static IP. Then one of the guys might be able to just tell you what the other user name is and odds are it's somebody you know, or the customer knows becuase he certainly pretended to have intimate knowledge (throwing out names etc..??)
Overall though, if it's much beyond the situation described above I think I'd just let it go. :( As much as it sucks, your going to end up putting more energy, time, effort, and eventually money into this thing then it's worth. To quote something you said in your post earlier
I did so knowing that the people at Hot Boat are very educated about boats and would be impressed by such a nice package.
Those that "know" .... Know. Anybody that isn't impressed by that package probably isn't as "educated" as we are giving them the benefit of the doubt to be.. If that's the case then their ignorant, and moving to my next point.. If there ignorant who cares what they think? ;) Just like with anything when there's a large group of people, there's always going to be one or two that are just coming from left field. It's these people that literally ruin everything.. :( Unfortunately we can't shoot these people, so we have to just do our best to ignore them and realize that they are unhappy, miserable, desperate people, and take our satisfaction in knowing that we don't have to go through our lives, living such a pathetic existance.
By the way with regards to the package, I'm a little curious to see how that drive holds up to the HP?

Dave C
05-19-2005, 03:39 PM
see I always knew you canatards spoke another language but come on man... speak English... we can't understand a word you just said.
LakeApe, this idea might hold water if everyone on the internet were plugged into a giant hub. They are not, however. You are so far from my broadcast domain that I can't imagine you even guessing the UUID of my NIC, never mind my MAC.
If you could figure out my IP address (which I highly doubt you can), you could ping me and a MAC address would be associated with my IP address in your ARP table but that will not be my MAC address. It will be the MAC address of your gateway.

Rexone
05-19-2005, 04:07 PM
Keith just my .02 here speaking as multi-time slam-ee on this forum... Most this type of bs is transparent to anyone who's interested in meaningful information. Shit talkers with 6 posts don't carry much weight when they come outta the box slingin their crap. I wouldn't get too worked up over it.

PHX ATC
05-19-2005, 04:14 PM
Keith - just pretend it's me talking to you, smile, nod your head and don't give a shiat what I say...see, all's better now!!!
Go get em! :crossx:

HM
05-19-2005, 04:23 PM
I know this isn't the place but I had to reply: Actually if you disassemble the packets that you sent to reply to this message your mac address is encoded in the 3rd, 7th and 9th positions in the packet in hexadecimal code both on the front of the packet and on the end of the packet. The UUID is also embedded in the 4th, 8th, and 10th positions front and back. Also the AGR system that ***boat uses is far from inpenatrable. I used to work a compressed nights workshift at Fab 6 at Intel and had the other 3-4 nights a week free to learn the internet. I got into lots of trouble though, I garantee that there are people out there who can get and decode a packet to figure out your MAC address and then clone it. Windows XP makes all this 100 times easier by using the same encryption code range for everything leaving an XP computer. I think it only has a 99969 digit range which is very easily hacked using an old wardialer trial and error method. This takes a long time but is very easy.
Does this guy know how to party or what!?!?!? :wink:

ITS ALL GOOD
05-19-2005, 04:30 PM
Lake Ape you are a wild man.

RiverDave
05-19-2005, 04:31 PM
So at the end of the day... The boat owner doesn't care and is laughing about some stupid guy talking shit on the internet.
And we learned that both Tom Brown and Lake Ape are actual card carrying, pocket protector wearing, math club attending geeks. But we already knew that, so what was the point of all this again? :D
RD

Rexone
05-19-2005, 04:31 PM
I'm thinking we may need a dedicated
"The Lake Ape / Tom Brown "WTF did they just say"
thread in BR for these wild and crazy guys.
Makes me appreciate the fact I know just enough HTML code to get me in trouble :D
I think I'll go ping my beer bottle to see if I need a refill now.

Tom Brown
05-19-2005, 04:33 PM
:)
[Edit: slam removed by TB]

Rexone
05-19-2005, 04:34 PM
Hey this thread is gaining some momentum now. :smile:

HM
05-19-2005, 04:37 PM
Are you focking kiddding me? :D
The UUID is the first 6 bytes of the MAC address. MAC addresses are not encoded into IP packets. IP information is contained in IP packets. MAC addresses are encoded into ethernet frames, which are envelopes for IP packets.
The only way my MAC address leaves my house is if I am using a protocol which sends it to the destination.
I guarantee there are not. :)
Seriously... you're so far over your head, I feel bad about laughing my ass off at this.
I try to be generous but you are so far out of your element, I think we ought to just forget this incident ever happened. :)
This is a hybrid. This is a cross, ah, of Bluegrass, Kentucky Bluegrass, Featherbed Bent, and Northern California Sensemilia. The amazing stuff about this is, that you can play 36 holes on it in the afternoon, take it home and just get stoned to the bejeezus-belt that night on this stuff.

RiverDave
05-19-2005, 04:41 PM
Hey this thread is gaining some momentum now. :smile:
GEEK FIGHT!! GEEK FIGHT!!! :D
RD <--- got my money on the Canatard.

HM
05-19-2005, 04:42 PM
GEEK FIGHT!! GEEK FIGHT!!! :D
RD <--- got my money on the Canatard.
People think I'm an idiot or something, because all I do is cut lawns for a living. People don't say that about you...as far as you know.

Rexone
05-19-2005, 04:46 PM
GEEK FIGHT!! GEEK FIGHT!!! :D
RD <--- got my money on the Canatard.
Problem is RD we'll never know who wins. :confused:

HM
05-19-2005, 04:47 PM
Problem is RD we'll never know who wins. :confused:
There are no winners in a geek fight, only losers, :wink: :) :crossx:

mike37
05-19-2005, 04:54 PM
I'm thinking we may need a dedicated
"The Lake Ape / Tom Brown "WTF did they just say"
thread in BR for these wild and crazy guys.
Makes me appreciate the fact I know just enough HTML code to get me in trouble :D
I think I'll go ping my beer bottle to see if I need a refill now.
hey I need an aqua step for my boat ya got any
and yes I'm changing the subject

Rexone
05-19-2005, 04:55 PM
There are no winners in a geek fight, only losers, :wink: :) :crossx:
I think they got skeerd off :confused:
that or they're off tryin to ping each others packets :eek:

Rexone
05-19-2005, 05:01 PM
hey I need an aqua step for my boat ya got any
and yes I'm changing the subject
Yes matter of fact.. :smile:

mike37
05-19-2005, 05:06 PM
Yes matter of fact.. :smile:
do you know which one fits on my swim step

RiverDave
05-19-2005, 05:07 PM
There are no winners in a geek fight, only losers, :wink: :) :crossx:
LMAO>. :D :D
RD

DEEZ NUTTS
05-19-2005, 05:19 PM
Packet sniffers! :D

HM
05-19-2005, 05:23 PM
Get a packet sniffer and see for yourself.
I think Tom invented the "packet" sniffer. :cool:

HM
05-19-2005, 05:34 PM
I think they got skeerd off :confused:
that or they're off tryin to ping each others packets :eek:
Those guys are fags.... (http://www.moviewavs.com/cgi-bin/mp3s.cgi?Fast_Times_At_Ridgemont_High=fags.mp3)

Phat Matt
05-19-2005, 05:45 PM
I think everyone should go in there registry and start deleting stuff now. It's cool and fun. ;)

Lake Ape
05-19-2005, 06:00 PM
Porn for Tom Brown and I
Best Porn Ever! (http://www.grendel.org/milgeek/archives/i1/geekporn.html)

OutCole'd
05-19-2005, 06:52 PM
GEEK FIGHT!! GEEK FIGHT!!! :D
RD <--- got my money on the Canatard.
LMAO !!!
At the end, both are wearing thick black frame glasses with tape holding them together.

C-2
05-19-2005, 07:27 PM
Two observations:
Why not delete the thread...you started it and can do that
-AND-
A court order is not as hard as one may think. You can file a small claims action against John Doe ($26) and fire off subpenas to the entire IP/dialup chain. Getting them to respond is another story.
:D :D :D

NuckinFutz
05-19-2005, 09:12 PM
Keith, this is my opinion. You have a very solid reputation with anyone who personally knows you. The boat was top notch, and anyone who knows what they were looking at in your original thread can see that, then when you say it's better than it looks, people believe you. Some idiot who disagrees with your observation on a nice boat doesn't carry the impact you do. I feel for the customer, but I'd think he won't take it serious. Case in point, you know who I am, I'm the Green River, Utah boater that bought a Bahner from you while you were at the Boat Brokers. I have looked to you for advice as recent as last month and you told me straight. Now, nearly everyone in Green River looks at my boat as useless, you know the logic of most Utahns. I don't let it bother me for a minute as I like my boat and that is all the matters. The fact that some stranger takes you on in a forum like this where many people personally know you just makes his opinion worthless. I only wish all salesman were as straight as you. P.S. thanks for the advice on the mufflers last month. I drove by to say hello while we were down, but you were away from the shop. Thanks again, Guy.

hoolign
05-19-2005, 09:20 PM
LakeApe, this idea might hold water if everyone on the internet were plugged into a giant hub. They are not, however. You are so far from my broadcast domain that I can't imagine you even guessing the UUID of my NIC, never mind my MAC.
If you could figure out my IP address (which I highly doubt you can), you could ping me and a MAC address would be associated with my IP address in your ARP table but that will not be my MAC address. It will be the MAC address of your gateway.
Keith, I would encourage you to not be discouraged by anecdotes describing the difficulty of the task. I work in a large IT shop and we track this stuff down all the time. We have two full time staff who do this. It is extremely possible. The difficulty will be the legal hoops you will require to make the ISP look up the information. Some ISPs, even large ones, will help you with no legal prodding if you simply share your case (consisely stated) and give them the address of the offender.
Good luck,
Tom :)
Look at Brown..tryin to sound all "Bill Gates " ...and shit :cool:

Lake Ape
05-19-2005, 09:26 PM
I gotta love the guy, he's a Glastron Carlson fan!
http://www2.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/2219cvx.jpg

WYRD
05-19-2005, 09:27 PM
Has anybody else noticed that RD enjoys saying the phrase "impressed by this package" alot in this thread? :p

hoolign
05-19-2005, 09:34 PM
Has anybody else noticed that RD enjoys saying the phrase "impressed by this package" alot in this thread? :p
Ever since he was banned from saying "is that a billet pickle in your pocket ..or are ya just glad to see me"...he had to get another catch phrase :notam:

Tom Brown
05-19-2005, 09:34 PM
[Edit: slam removed by TB]
Hoolign, don't make me plow a trench in your back yard.

Lake Ape
05-19-2005, 09:37 PM
CVX-20's Rock!

Tom Brown
05-19-2005, 09:39 PM
CVX-20's Rock!
You know your boats, I have to give you that. :cool:
:D

C-2
05-19-2005, 09:39 PM
Hey geek boys...
What happens to an IP address when posting at a Wi-Fi hotspot? Does the wi-fi host computer's show up, or the IP from your pewter? I'm guessing the wi-fi host?

Tom Brown
05-19-2005, 09:40 PM
I'll leave this one for you, Lake Ape.

bigq
05-19-2005, 10:18 PM
Hey geek boys...
What happens to an IP address when posting at a Wi-Fi hotspot? Does the wi-fi host computer's show up, or the IP from your pewter? I'm guessing the wi-fi host?
They do DHCP and use NAT(Address translation) mostly so it is the public IP of the router exposed.

Tom Brown
05-19-2005, 10:19 PM
Also check out my thread on What's the Skinny on Cheetah boats, it's doing really well!
In the interest of reconciliation, I'll give you my opinion on Cheetah boats. :)
I've heard a bunch of stuff about them... rumors... and they're all positive. I've never been in one. I've only seen a couple in person and they weren't on the water.
I ride around in a 1977 Glastron and have a ton of fun. If the situation were different, I would happily run a Bayliner.
... so my opinion is this: The guy who has a boat and doesn't care what other people think about it but just goes out and has fun on the water... is the guy who wins at the end of the day.
This isn't to say that I don't admire and respect the high-end custom boats but it's pretty clear I will always be shopping the value end of the boat market.
- Tom :)

sorry dog
05-20-2005, 04:45 AM
... so my opinion is this: The guy who has a boat and doesn't care what other people think about it but just goes out and has fun on the water... is the guy who wins at the end of the day.
This isn't to say that I don't admire and respect the high-end custom boats but it's pretty clear I will always be shopping the value end of the boat market.
- Tom :)
I tried to shop at the value end with a wife, but had to pull the trigger on something more expensive because sometimes looks matter.
Therefore, like you, I am relegated to the 28 year old value boat shopping.
-SD (changing my MAC address so that you don't spoof me with your Etherpeeks)

Spotondl
05-20-2005, 07:04 AM
What's your ISP and IP in my sig?

NorCal Gameshow
05-20-2005, 08:23 AM
I think I'll go ping my beer bottle to see if I need a refill now.
:D :D :D

Tom Brown
05-20-2005, 08:55 AM
What's your ISP and IP in my sig?
You tell me. :D
Nothing like a little social engineering, eh? :cool:

Tom Brown
05-20-2005, 08:57 AM
I tried to shop at the value end with a wife, but had to pull the trigger on something more expensive because sometimes looks matter.
You make it sound like marriage has been the roughest 10 days of your life. :D
I'm no marriage counselor but aren't you supposed to wait until things get rough to start complaining?

Kingofspeed
05-20-2005, 11:37 AM
Just checked the thread … oh my god did my postings ruffle feathers … it was simply a joke … it is certainly an AWESOME boat … now please calm down while I go to Alcoholics Anonymous!
By the way … didn’t anyone get the fact it was a joke when I signed out as (BAYLINER RULES) oh no … now I going to get messages from Bayliner!
I am truly sorry for my hurtful ways, “Queen of Speed”

Tom Brown
05-20-2005, 11:38 AM
You're ragging on Bayliner now? That's the last straw, buddy. :mad:

Rexone
05-20-2005, 12:24 PM
And apology week continues :D

C-2
05-20-2005, 12:25 PM
You tell me. :D
Nothing like a little social engineering, eh? :cool:
That's why no system (or even financial privacy info), no matter how secure your firewall, is safe. Social engineering is a nicer word than pretext, which is a nicer word than lie. Mitnick 101, but the truth is most of what he did was done day in and out for years.
Very impressed by your skillz Brown, you put em to good use?

MagicMtnDan
05-20-2005, 12:27 PM
I think it's "Popcorn & Apology Week" :D

Lake Ape
05-20-2005, 12:50 PM
I ain't given no F'ing apology to nobody, dagtootin! Bring 'em, I will go back to looking at porn all day before I apologize to anyone for anything!
http://members.aol.com/vernae69/kellyclark.gif

Tom Brown
05-20-2005, 12:59 PM
Very impressed by your skillz Brown, you put em to good use?
I like to think of myself as a white hat.
... and Havasu Hangin' as a black hat. :D
I'll conceed the round but I look forward to our next row, Lake Ape. :D

Lake Ape
05-20-2005, 01:01 PM
Ask Kevin Mitnick about that social engineering stuff!

sorry dog
05-21-2005, 06:11 AM
Social engineering?
I thought we were talking about MACs and porn.
BTW Tom - I think it usually works well to start bitching early and often.

Keith E. Sayre
05-21-2005, 02:04 PM
King of Speed: Fair enough. I understand. No reason to carry this any
further. Thanks for your response. It takes a stand up guy to apologize
and I admire that. Now let's go boating, I don't care if it is a Bayliner!
Keith Sayre
Conquest Boats