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Teabagger
05-30-2005, 12:23 AM
New to the forum and hope to get some recommendations from people in the know here on the forum. I know people love to share their opinions. Plans are for "new", budget is $85,000. I'm thinking stepped V-hull, 496HO motor, open bow. Will use it a combination of river use but plans are to use it in the pacific ocean here in So-Cal as well.
Are there any manufacturers/models that jump to mind that I should be looking at, anyone in or have been in the same situation, what did you decide on? I am finding my budget seems to be a very big limitation for this size of boat.
Thanks in advance for any help!

WILD LAVEY
05-30-2005, 12:35 AM
tb, this is right up your alley. i have an 03 2750 laveycraft for sale. this boat handles the ocean with no problem. its balsa cored hull is solid. pm me is your interested. here are some pics pm me if your interested.
nick
http://www2.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/117DSC00520.JPG
http://www.havasudoug.com/minilaveyregatta/images/lavey162.jpg

Teabagger
05-30-2005, 12:47 AM
Thanks WildLevey for the offer, but I my plans are Open Bow and preferably new as well.

WILD LAVEY
05-30-2005, 12:51 AM
if you can find a way to bump up your budget, i still say lavey. if not, check out dana 27 off shore and 29 cheetah.

river chaser
05-30-2005, 06:29 AM
also check out domin8tor; he's new to the market though :lightsabe

OGShocker
05-30-2005, 08:03 AM
I am a PROUD owner of a 27' Dana. Call Rhett 909-399-4044 for a test drive or click my link below for more information. The Dana is an "ALL BOAT" 27 footer fully loaded with 496HO power, built in ice chest, up to seven colors of gel coat and one of the best owner groups I have seen. Once you go to Dana and read all the press they have received, your choice should be clear.
If you have any questions PM me with your phone number or ask for mine and I will be happy to talk with you.
Thank you WildLavey!
Mark

Kilrtoy
05-30-2005, 08:20 AM
I think you can get a nicely equipped 29 Shockwave.....
Not sure if the ULTRA is stepped .......

voodoomedman
05-30-2005, 08:41 AM
I think you can get a nicely equipped 29 Shockwave.....
Not sure if the ULTRA is stepped .......
Yes check out those two boats. The Ultra 28 Stealth is stepped. The bottom is kinda crazy actually. You wouldn't think it would ride so damn well with what it's got going on down there. PM Ultra28 as he is the owner of Ultra Custom Boats and he will take care of ya. PM Frenchie about Shockwave. He is in bed with the owner. :jawdrop:

Teabagger
05-30-2005, 08:55 AM
Thanks guys for the responses so far, Laveycraft & Shockwave is definitely on my list. Dana looks like it may be a little smaller than I'd hope, it's 27' and 92" beam. I believe there are larger offerings out there that may suite my needs better.
I'd appreciate hearing as much input from others as well.

Throttle
05-30-2005, 11:45 AM
Check out the Cobra Performance Boats, a 270 razor!!! Probably about $75k, that will give you some breathing room for a few upgrades... Not that you will need any, cause it'll have everything you need ready to go stock.
Lots of value and quality!

Big Warlock
05-30-2005, 12:24 PM
I know you said "new" but I would consider used. There are many good buys on the market. And lots of newer models that you can get with low hours etc etc.
But I would be looking at Dana, Lavey, Shockwave, and, of coourse, Warlock. The 27 Warlock actually has more room than the 29. Great bottom and, with the balsa core, runs 74 with stock motor, 2 people and 3/4 fuel.
Good luck!!
Rob

racecar.hotshoe
05-30-2005, 12:27 PM
Thanks guys for the responses so far, Laveycraft & Shockwave is definitely on my list. Dana looks like it may be a little smaller than I'd hope, it's 27' and 92" beam. I believe there are larger offerings out there that may suite my needs better.
I'd appreciate hearing as much input from others as well.
PM me with a number...Mark

THOR
05-30-2005, 12:30 PM
You never see any used 27' Danas. They are great in rough water.

Debbolas
05-30-2005, 12:30 PM
If you don't mind driving to Arizona, check out Kachina.
We love ours and there are a few owners here on the boards.
Their customer service is awesome and they have a new drone that is killer!
Here is a link to their website.
Kachina boats (http://www.kachinaboats.com/)
Good Luck!
Oh, Kachina is kinda "known" for their graphics, so if you buy a boat from them they will NOT splash your design.....

ECeptor
05-30-2005, 01:36 PM
Check out Superboats Y2k. It's closer to 32', but is a light (4700lb) single engine rig. Probably fastest single engine +27'er out there..
Ask Fasterdammit about his...

cc322
05-30-2005, 01:45 PM
I hear these guys make a pretty well built boat. I even think they have a race boat with the same bottom and there champions or something ;)
http://members.cox.net/cc322/2750%20nuera.jpg

WYRD
05-30-2005, 02:21 PM
Go BAYLINER for sure :idea: :D :D

Steamin' Rice
05-30-2005, 02:27 PM
There are lots of good boats out there in this size and price range.. When I was shopping for a 27-30' boat a few years ago I ended up with a 29 Shockwave and was happy with it.. It is a big 29 and handles the ocean fairly well..

XtrmWakeborder
05-30-2005, 05:16 PM
I hear these guys make a pretty well built boat. I even think they have a race boat with the same bottom and there champions or something ;)
http://members.cox.net/cc322/2750%20nuera.jpg
That is a sweet boat, i love the gel.

H20 Toie
05-30-2005, 05:58 PM
Wow this sounds like my questions a year ago, Same price range and i wanted to go in the ocean once in awhile also, do you self a favor and get with some people that use there boats in the ocean, just becuase a boat can go doesn't mean it will hold up to the abuse. it's a lot different. you really cut out a lot of boats once you said ocean and you have to be careful with engines also. i ended up get a used one instead of new and paying more than i planned.
http://www2.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/2573my_boat.JPG

In2Deep
05-30-2005, 06:09 PM
Check out the Nordic 28 Heat open - bow.

phebus
05-30-2005, 06:37 PM
Outside your budget I'm sure, but how can you not love this 28'r. What a boat. If I ever wanted a vee (never), this would be the boat for me.
DCB (http://www2.***boat.com/forums/showthread.php?t=80411)

Family4Day
05-30-2005, 10:57 PM
We just got our new lavey for the price you are looking. 496HO, closed bow(you can get cuddy/open) hydraulic steering, tabs, sink, etc.,. A new 2750 is higher up, but Nick's(Wild Lavey) runs great! The 26 has a stepped V, runs great at Havasu and gets the family to Catalina. Like H20 Toie said, the ocean plays havoc on a boat(maintenance and cleaning), but my kids seeing the dolphins, Queen Mary, all the scenery up close-it's well worth it! If the Cigarette was just a few hundred thousand less, I might be able to convince the wife(Nice cig H20 Toie!). Good luck in your search, give Lavey a look, you won't be disappointed.
Todd

WILD LAVEY
05-31-2005, 12:03 AM
Wow this sounds like my questions a year ago, Same price range and i wanted to go in the ocean once in awhile also, do you self a favor and get with some people that use there boats in the ocean, just becuase a boat can go doesn't mean it will hold up to the abuse. it's a lot different. you really cut out a lot of boats once you said ocean and you have to be careful with engines also. i ended up get a used one instead of new and paying more than i planned.
http://www2.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/2573my_boat.JPG
did you find this boat in cali. or out of state. its a really nice boat.

hotlavey
05-31-2005, 08:11 AM
tb, this is right up your alley. i have an 03 2750 laveycraft for sale. this boat handles the ocean with no problem. its balsa cored hull is solid. pm me is your interested. here are some pics pm me if your interested.
nick
http://www2.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/117DSC00520.JPG
http://www.havasudoug.com/minilaveyregatta/images/lavey162.jpg
Wild,
Why you selling? Going bigger? You have a beautiful ride, just wondering.
Tom

phebus
05-31-2005, 08:26 AM
IMHO, one of the best looking Lavey's ever made. Beautifull!!
http://www2.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/117DSC00520.JPG

Indiansprings
06-01-2005, 01:56 PM
Check out the Sleekcraft or Magic line-up. Great boat for the money.

surfer2001
06-01-2005, 02:02 PM
1. Nordic
2. Nordic
3. Nordic

RiverDave
06-01-2005, 02:25 PM
New to the forum and hope to get some recommendations from people in the know here on the forum. I know people love to share their opinions. Plans are for "new", budget is $85,000. I'm thinking stepped V-hull, 496HO motor, open bow. Will use it a combination of river use but plans are to use it in the pacific ocean here in So-Cal as well.
Are there any manufacturers/models that jump to mind that I should be looking at, anyone in or have been in the same situation, what did you decide on? I am finding my budget seems to be a very big limitation for this size of boat.
Thanks in advance for any help!
I think I'd hit up cole trickle.. Checked out his ride over the weekend and I was more then impressed. If you can put together the same, or even similar deal like he just pulled with Sleek, then I'd be all over it like white on rice.
RD

UltraBob
06-01-2005, 02:41 PM
New to the forum and hope to get some recommendations from people in the know here on the forum. I know people love to share their opinions. Plans are for "new", budget is $85,000. I'm thinking stepped V-hull, 496HO motor, open bow. Will use it a combination of river use but plans are to use it in the pacific ocean here in So-Cal as well.
Are there any manufacturers/models that jump to mind that I should be looking at, anyone in or have been in the same situation, what did you decide on? I am finding my budget seems to be a very big limitation for this size of boat.
Thanks in advance for any help!
If you have any questions about Ultra Please give us a call and we will be able to help you out. Check out our 28 Stealth at Ultraboats.com
Bob
Inland Ultra
(951)734-6000

moneypit
06-01-2005, 03:02 PM
1. Nordic
2. Nordic
3. Nordic
what he said. :D :D

tic2rde
06-01-2005, 03:21 PM
Shockwave 29 by far!! Great boat well built!! 24 degree step hull. Handles the ocean great. Comes fairly loaded. Love mine

jdogginla
06-01-2005, 03:28 PM
If you have any questions about Ultra Please give us a call and we will be able to help you out. Check out our 28 Stealth at Ultraboats.com
Bob
Inland Ultra
(951)734-6000
C'mon.......can you really get into a 28 Stealth with an HO for 85k? :notam:

Beer-30
06-01-2005, 04:45 PM
C'mon.......can you really get into a 28 Stealth with an HO for 85k? :notam:
No.
But, backing up INDIANSPRINGS, you could probably almost squeeze into a 30' like he and I have. I doubt it, though. Probably more like 90-93 or so.
When I was at Sleek looking at used, Darrin said he would sell me a brand new 28 Enforcer (although it's non-step) for $65K. He originally said $75, but tried to sell me again on the deal at $65. I think it was COLE TRICKLE here on the boards that just got his in the water a few months ago. Nice boat. That is with a 496HO and electric bolsters. Don't know about the Magic 29, you might see if they will deal you on that. Nice boat also. Just my op.

DogHouse
06-01-2005, 05:00 PM
One of my favorites in this size range that would do well in the big blue:
http://www.sunsationboats.com/images/pic_288.jpg
Also comes in an open bow and has a terrific cabin.
Have fun shopping (www.sunsationboats.com)!
-brian

ULTRA28
06-01-2005, 05:15 PM
C'mon.......can you really get into a 28 Stealth with an HO for 85k? :notam:
For a Hot Boat Forum member, yeah. You know I would hook you up, or anybody else on the forums. Bob can give the same deals at the Corona location.

Ultrafied
06-01-2005, 05:16 PM
My buddy just got a new Sleek, 496HO, open bow, Enforcer for $72k out the door. Upgraded stereo, bimini, offshore controls, depth finder, very nice boat. You may want to check them out. Dealer in Fontana and in Havasu.
I've been on this boat and it is a very nice riding boat. Any questions and I will hook you with my buddy for details on his boat first hand. :rollside:

OGShocker
06-01-2005, 05:19 PM
For a Hot Boat Forum member, yeah. You know I would hook you up, or anybody else on the forums. Bob can give the same deals at the Corona location.
Even the Democrat forum members?
When are you headed out to the lake next? We should be there on June 10/11/12. Ice cold water is on me.

SBullet
06-01-2005, 05:20 PM
what he said. :D :D
and what he said too!!

FASTERDAMITT
06-01-2005, 05:32 PM
[QUOTE=DogHouse]One of my favorites in this size range that would do well in the big blue:
http://www.sunsationboats.com/images/pic_288.jpg
Also comes in an open bow and has a terrific cabin.
What he said if open bow is a must.
If you decide you don't want open bow in the ocean then here's one of the top dogs in my opinion. Superboat 30 They don't build open bows.
http://www2.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/478SUPERBABI_AROUND_GREATSOUTHBAY_020_Medium_.jpg

ULTRA28
06-01-2005, 05:34 PM
Even the Democrat forum members?
When are you headed out to the lake next? We should be there on June 10/11/12. Ice cold water is on me.
I'll be out there, we're sponsoring the Firefighter regatta that weekend. I'll look for you. I'll be in this 27 Shadow.
http://www2.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/49727shadow.jpg

ULTRA28
06-01-2005, 05:40 PM
Hey, John, you ever going to build a deck bigger than 23'?
Actually, we have a 25 and a 32 coming in the future. the 32 will have twins.

Essex29
06-01-2005, 05:42 PM
Actually, we have a 25 and a 32 coming in the future. the 32 will have twins.
you've got my ear :cool:

ULTRA28
06-01-2005, 06:02 PM
How future is future on the 25'? I'm an old Ultra customer, back in '95. ;)
Would like to have the 25 by the LA show next year and the 32 by early next summer. We will also be offering both as standard cats too. We are also coming out with a 26 V next year.

ULTRA28
06-01-2005, 06:12 PM
I would be very interested in discussing a 25 deck with you before next season.
Give me a call at the shop sometime. I always work deals for the first few sold. 1.619.443.1100.

Biglue
06-01-2005, 06:39 PM
For a Hot Boat Forum member, yeah. You know I would hook you up, or anybody else on the forums. Bob can give the same deals at the Corona location.
John how fast will the 28 stealth do with the 496 ho?

ULTRA28
06-01-2005, 06:48 PM
John how fast will the 28 stealth do with the 496 ho?
64 to 68

Biglue
06-01-2005, 06:56 PM
64 to 68
Shit man that's as fast as my 26 sig.
At that price what is included besides the HO? Would it be a plain Jane boat beyond that?
I was looking at new boats a few months ago and I wound up buying used. I really love the way the 28 Stealth sits. You guys have awsome graphics and Ultra has become a top shelf name out here. I'm a little tempted to, but I can't rationalize the futher expense.

Biglue
06-01-2005, 07:03 PM
What do you need to go that fast for, Mexican? You got warrants? :D :D :D
Immigration officials, polacks and masters of Mexican history, brown pride members. :D :D :D

Essex29
06-01-2005, 07:25 PM
Hey, missed you this weekend, so did the mrs. How's the Essex sale going?
dude, did i miss the river this weekend!.......i have my fingers crossed for the 4th, but no guarantee (still have to talk the pregnant wife that is going to have a newborn by then that I need to talk into letting me go).
I have a sale that is pending right now :smile:

Beer-30
06-01-2005, 10:17 PM
[QUOTE=DogHouse]One of my favorites in this size range that would do well in the big blue:
http://www.sunsationboats.com/images/pic_288.jpg
Also comes in an open bow and has a terrific cabin.
What he said if open bow is a must.
If you decide you don't want open bow in the ocean then here's one of the top dogs in my opinion. Superboat 30 They don't build open bows.
http://www2.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/478SUPERBABI_AROUND_GREATSOUTHBAY_020_Medium_.jpg
Wow, they don't have open bows OR colors? Hmmmm. Does it come with an engine? ;)

UnionJack
06-02-2005, 07:14 AM
Check out the Cobra Performance Boats, a 270 razor!!! Probably about $75k, that will give you some breathing room for a few upgrades... Not that you will need any, cause it'll have everything you need ready to go stock.
Lots of value and quality!
I like the cobra

Biglue
06-02-2005, 07:19 AM
I like the cobra
Cobra does make a nice boat also, not quite an Ultra but nice.

FASTERDAMITT
06-02-2005, 07:36 AM
Wow, they don't have open bows OR colors? Hmmmm. Does it come with an engine? ;)
I thought boats were for performance or maybe your a Nascar fan.The more color the faster. :) Colors optional, could go with pink/blue/white of 1990, purple/teal/white of 94, or checkers of 97, or maybe flames of 99, or trible flame of 02, or orange of 04, swirls of 05, I don't know, but there's alot of nice 4 year old boats that won't sell because of the color/design is outdated. :confused: Give him some time the boats 2 weeks old. The new vinyl graphics you can change with the times.

Beer-30
06-02-2005, 08:02 AM
Oh, stickers. Ok.

FASTERDAMITT
06-02-2005, 08:29 AM
I didn't want to hit your soft spot with the checkers comment, I sure you had enough. Just for the record, you have a good lookin boat. Lookin forward to seeing ya out there, somewhere, sometime, if I ever get my boat... brew's on me. ;)

Beer-30
06-02-2005, 08:35 AM
I didn't want to hit your soft spot with the checkers comment, I sure you had enough. Just for the record, you have a good lookin boat. Lookin forward to seeing ya out there, somewhere, sometime, if I ever get my boat... brew's on me. ;)
No, you didn't. I was surprised, however, to see a 2001 with checkers. The wife and I still really liked the checker scheme even though it is a little dated. THANK YOU for the comment. I appreciate that.
I was maybe a little harsh with the color comment. I just have an internal issue with all white boats. It just seems wrong. I have another issue with vinyl graphics. Wax and polishes get stuck in the edges / as well as the edges and tips peeling up from heat and chemicals. It just seems like such a cheap route to go on a brand new boat. But hey, to each their own. :shift:

ACLC
06-02-2005, 08:42 AM
Beer-30, I saw your rig at the Flamingo on the Memorial weekend. How did you manage to get that parking spot.

Beer-30
06-02-2005, 08:48 AM
Beer-30, I saw your rig at the Flamingo on the Memorial weekend. How did you manage to get that parking spot.
First of all, LOVE your boat! I posted a pic in one of the threads and told people who haven't seen it on the water that it is simply STUNNING.
Well, we got there Thursday night around 11:30. Axed the valet where they wanted it. He said he would open the gate and not to worry about the spaced, just park along the palm trees. I scored that night.
And lets just say that was the only night I scored a good parking space. The next night was a fiasco.

FASTERDAMITT
06-02-2005, 08:52 AM
Beer,
What about paint like on Skaters or MTI ect. I always wondered why the don't do gel colors. Not too many people in Calif would buy a boat without alot of color but, hey I must be different. Very minimal color for me.

ACLC
06-02-2005, 08:54 AM
Ya, I had to park in Bullhead and take a cab back. Same story with my parking situation. I got their Thurs. almost midnight also. I was also first on the list for 30' slips since Monday. My brother-in-law was there since Monday and I still had no luck!

Beer-30
06-02-2005, 09:04 AM
FASTER: I would definitely do paint before vinyl. Paint will still have issues later, peeling and or cracking. It will shine a lot better than vinyl, though. I think they do this on the bigger cats due to the labor involved in the mold. It's a lot easier to mask and paint the finished product. I don't know if that's the reason or not?
ACLC: Did you have to park behind Gretchen's? That was Friday night for me. I was the first one to have to go over there. Shuttle never came, had to have my friend drive over and pick me up.
We crossed paths once driving. I was n/b along the strip and you were s/b. It was in the AM, I can't remember which day. Then, I know we crossed opposite directions on the water at least once. I also saw you up on the steps crushing some of that water at probably about 55-60. Beautiful boat.

ACLC
06-02-2005, 09:10 AM
Ya, I saw those white caps it was crazy. I sure you were fine out there as well. You got a deep Vee on that 30 footer.

FASTERDAMITT
06-02-2005, 09:13 AM
Beer,
Do you do Catalina?

Beer-30
06-02-2005, 09:21 AM
ACLC: We headed toward Cottonwood to see if we wanted to do a dam run. We, of course, waited until Sunday to try to do this (windy!!!). We get out in the basin and it's 4-footers. I kept it about 30-35 for passenger sanity. It was doing just fine, though. After that, we turned around and got back to the 2-3 footers. I was trimmed up on the steps at around 57-59 with 6 peeps, 3 ice chests and close to full fuel. We skimmed across for awhile and then cruised back in with music and "sodas". Had a hell of a time putting on the trailer with that much cross-wind.
FASTER: Nope. I may do the ocean if I could affordably put the boat in the water w/o trailer. Don't want the salt in all my nooks and crannys. The boat I can easily flush and it's closed cooling anyway. No trailer in salt water.

ACLC
06-02-2005, 09:27 AM
I agree with the Salt and the trailer! Boat no problem!

dicudmore
06-02-2005, 09:30 AM
I dunk my trailer...
Bought the damn thing to enjoy it right? :rolleyes:

FASTERDAMITT
06-02-2005, 09:37 AM
I ordered an aluminum trailer from Rolls axle in Florida. All stainless hardware including calipers ect... Dunking in salt, no problem.

Beer-30
06-02-2005, 09:38 AM
I dunk my trailer...
Bought the damn thing to enjoy it right? :rolleyes:
I'm all about enjoying it, but I just don't want to be hauling down the 40, somewhere between ESSEX and NOWHERE and have all the springs fall out from under me. Or the welds break at all the corners and set the boat on the asphalt. I just can't bring myself to do it.

Beer-30
06-02-2005, 09:39 AM
I ordered an aluminum trailer from Rolls axle in Florida. All stainless hardware including calipers ect... Dunking in salt, no problem.
Now if I had one of those......sure.

dicudmore
06-02-2005, 09:41 AM
I'm all about enjoying it, but I just don't want to be hauling down the 40, somewhere between ESSEX and NOWHERE and have all the springs fall out from under me. Or the welds break at all the corners and set the boat on the asphalt. I just can't bring myself to do it.
yeah that might not be fun...
but hey I figure I'm towing a time bomb as it is... Zieman :hammerhea :wink:

Beer-30
06-02-2005, 09:47 AM
yeah that might not be fun...
but hey I figure I'm towing a time bomb as it is... Zieman :hammerhea :wink:
Mine too (Zieman). Believe me, there are a lot worse trailers. Next boat show, take a look at the new ones that Sleek/Magic is putting under their boats. They are building their own trailers (NAS) and I am not impressed. Half the lights mine has, 5 lug axles instead of 6, drums instead of discs! This is direct comparison from this years boat show under the current year model of my Heritage. I have been all over this trailer and they are built quite well. Sure, it's not an EXTREME, but it's not crap either.

ACLC
06-02-2005, 10:08 AM
Hey Beer I have a Zieman also under the 2750 Laveycraft. Can you believe people have asked me if it is powdercoated!

FASTERDAMITT
06-02-2005, 10:21 AM
TRAILERS,
Check this out! The best quote I got for my Superboat 30'er out west was $6800 for a tandom painted steel trailer with steel or cast hardware. Not even L.E.D. LAMPS.
Rolls Axle trailer in Florida... All aluminum,stainless fenders,all stainless hardware and brakes, hubs ect.., L.E.D. lamps, swing tongue, salt resistant (paint?) alloy mag wheels $4600. + 600 delivery.
Go figure!

dicudmore
06-02-2005, 10:26 AM
Mine too (Zieman). Believe me, there are a lot worse trailers. Next boat show, take a look at the new ones that Sleek/Magic is putting under their boats. They are building their own trailers (NAS) and I am not impressed. Half the lights mine has, 5 lug axles instead of 6, drums instead of discs! This is direct comparison from this years boat show under the current year model of my Heritage. I have been all over this trailer and they are built quite well. Sure, it's not an EXTREME, but it's not crap either.
I'm actually very happy w/the trailer... I just know there are some Zieman haters out there...
Only prob I've had is a couple of burned out lights, it tows great and has THOUSANDS of miles on it w/no complaints

Teabagger
06-02-2005, 11:28 AM
Thanks guys for all the feedback! I'm leaning towards Shockwave and Commander and possibly Laveycraft.
I figure I'll need the one that offers the most Freeboard possible due to the ocean use. Hopefully plan to see them all this coming weekend.
Many good recommendations here, limiting factor for me the freeboard issue and I plan to stick to local manufactures located near Orange County simply based on the convenience that it offers.

RiverDave
06-02-2005, 11:35 AM
For a Hot Boat Forum member, yeah. You know I would hook you up, or anybody else on the forums. Bob can give the same deals at the Corona location.
No shit? Well bearing that in mind, I'd definately hit up John over at Ultra as well.. I was figuring 100'ish easy for a stealth.
RD

RiverDave
06-02-2005, 11:42 AM
yeah that might not be fun...
but hey I figure I'm towing a time bomb as it is... Zieman :hammerhea :wink:
If you know how to order the trailer... Or rather know how to communicate with your builder to order the trailer from Zeiman, they can build as nice or nicer trailer then just about anyone else. I'd put my lil zeiman trailer up against any trailer extreme's built with regards to craftsmanship. To be honest, I don't think Extreme even could or would build my lil trailer.. especially not for the same remote ball park price tag that I paid.
Sometimes dealing with a huge company like Zeiman has it's benefits.. I.E. being able to call the president of UFP and have him whip you up some custom torsions etc..
RD

Tom Brown
06-02-2005, 11:58 AM
Sometimes dealing with a huge company like Zeiman has it's benefits.. I.E. being able to call the president of UFP and have him whip you up some custom torsions etc..
I like the balloon dispenser they put on there for you.

Teabagger
06-02-2005, 12:04 PM
No shit? Well bearing that in mind, I'd definately hit up John over at Ultra as well.. I was figuring 100'ish easy for a stealth.
RD
Ultra looks really nice, but they seem to sit low in the water and they are 28' with swim step, so I think they may be more like a 27'. Hopefully I will be corrected if I'm wrong.

RiverDave
06-02-2005, 12:17 PM
TeaBagger, you ever wonder why a 21 Schiada (fairly shallow V all things considered) runs better through heavy water then just about a 25' anything? It's not all about the last 1mph top end, and it's not all about that extra foot of fiberglas or deadrise etc.. etc. They are good guidelines when looking for a new purchase, but ultimately they shouldn't be the deciding factor. I've been out in a 247 Ultra on a terrible day in Castaic and was more then impressed with the fact that it handled it beautifully.. Couldn't hardly even tell it was a tornado up there from the way the boat was riding. Been out on a 28 Carrera in the Ocean and it was an enjoyable ride in some pretty adverse conditions as well.. On that same token I've been out in a 32 in far more calm conditions then what I drove that 28 through and got the shit kicked out of me for it.. If your looking for a big hunk of fiberglass with the most bang for the buck then your answers are obvious.. Just look at the price tags of various mfg's. You can get a pretty big damn boat for 85 grand.. Just becuase it's big though doesn't mean some dude is going to blow your doors off taking a perfect set through some ruff chop in a boat 4 feet shorter. ;) Best deal for the money I've seen bar none is the 28 Enforcer that cole trickle got.. Incidentally it has that same bottom (non step) of the 28 Carrera if memory serves so it oughta handle the rough stuff pretty well. If you can actually pull the deal together for a 28 stealth though, well then that'd be where my money went becuase honestly.. that's just a bad ass boat.
RD

THOR
06-02-2005, 12:20 PM
A 247 huh Dave. I wonder who has one of those around here? ;)

Biglue
06-02-2005, 12:24 PM
Ultra looks really nice, but they seem to sit low in the water and they are 28' with swim step, so I think they may be more like a 27'. Hopefully I will be corrected if I'm wrong.
ANything with a swim step is going to be shorter than the legth claimed by the manufacturer. If you have kids get the biggest swim step you can find. Just my .02

RiverDave
06-02-2005, 12:33 PM
You really like those Schiadas. :D
Best Boat Built bar none.. I don't even think most mfg's would disagree with that.
RD

ACLC
06-02-2005, 12:34 PM
Laveycraft measures true running bottom. Example... their 2750 really measures 28'-6" and their 21' measures 22'-8" and so on.......actually bigger than they claim!

RiverDave
06-02-2005, 12:45 PM
A 247 huh Dave. I wonder who has one of those around here? ;)
Good boat. :) The one I took to Castaic was more for test drive purposes. I went with a friend. Had a 377 Scorpion motor in it.. I was more then impressed to see it hit 70+ with that motor, fuel and 4 of us in the boat. :)
RD

Beer-30
06-02-2005, 12:47 PM
Hey Beer I have a Zieman also under the 2750 Laveycraft. Can you believe people have asked me if it is powdercoated!
I have had 2 people walk up and assume it's powdercoated. "oh, so the trailer came powdercoated, uh?" Uh yeah, sure.

RiverDave
06-02-2005, 12:52 PM
Are you saying that as a good thing or a bad thing? There's pro's and cons to both painting and powdercoating.
RD

Beer-30
06-02-2005, 12:52 PM
TRAILERS,
Check this out! The best quote I got for my Superboat 30'er out west was $6800 for a tandom painted steel trailer with steel or cast hardware. Not even L.E.D. LAMPS.
Rolls Axle trailer in Florida... All aluminum,stainless fenders,all stainless hardware and brakes, hubs ect.., L.E.D. lamps, swing tongue, salt resistant (paint?) alloy mag wheels $4600. + 600 delivery.
Go figure!
I originally wanted a two axle also. I'll tell ya, I LOVE the three axle. If you happen to cut a corner too short, all three just step right off of whatever you hit. I don't do it often, been pulling trailers since I was little, but it does happen. Plus, it travels sooo well down the road. I think the three "cushion" a little more than two. I've seen a few 28s with two axles, but never a 30. Just my op.
I just put the LEDs in. Half my old incands were out, so I figure it was time to upgrade. $200 did the whole trailer. Looks bitchen at night. Plus, a fraction of the original draw.

Tom Brown
06-02-2005, 12:54 PM
There's pro's and cons to both painting and powdercoating.
What's the down side of powdercoat compared to paint, Dave? :confused:

ACLC
06-02-2005, 12:57 PM
Ya, isn't that funny. You know so far I am very happy with the whole set up. I have owned a Carrera and this is my third Lavey I think this is where iI draw the line. Any way this is my first Zieman trailer so far so good. I was kinda scared at first knowing how ugly Sea Doo trailers have gotten in the past. I think they use a whole different approach to boat trailers especially with all the business they have been getting from top notch boat builders.

Beer-30
06-02-2005, 01:02 PM
Thanks guys for all the feedback! I'm leaning towards Shockwave and Commander and possibly Laveycraft.
I figure I'll need the one that offers the most Freeboard possible due to the ocean use. Hopefully plan to see them all this coming weekend.
Many good recommendations here, limiting factor for me the freeboard issue and I plan to stick to local manufactures located near Orange County simply based on the convenience that it offers.
Just make sure you crawl around in a Sleek. You can see from the pics that I have lots of freeboard. Significantly more than the 28 Enforcer. We got a few (maybe three, seriously) little misty sprays from some of the 4 foot rollers that were on Mojave this last weekend, but other than that - a perfectly dry ride. My 30 (with the swimstep, of course) is ALOT of boat for the money. I know there are others here who maybe don't like SleekCraft, but I think all of the MFGrs are competing. They all build really nice boats. I for one, was not brand-specific. I just picked the best boat that fit what I needed. A LOT of people, dry ride, cruise through chop/roller, good looks. Most all of what you are looking at will fit the bill. I bought BEER-30 in January of this year, she's a 2001 and had 165 hrs. on the HO/B-1, has a decent stereo w/2-10s, and I paid $54,500. I think anyone will agree, that's a lot of boat for those $$s.
PLUS: It was red/white on a red trailer! (I already had the red dually).

ACLC
06-02-2005, 01:08 PM
Sweet deal.

Beer-30
06-02-2005, 01:09 PM
Sweet deal.
I think so.
What year is yours? Its new this year, right? What motor?

FASTERDAMITT
06-02-2005, 01:09 PM
Teabagger,
What Keith said about the way a boat rides in the rough is the most important factor in purchase. So many people buy a boat just on looks. IMO start with a 24deg V and do some research. I did, but mine is built on the other side of this country. And it's low profile for better handling. Don't forget the more freeboard the more taller your fulcrum point is meaning the passengers will be tossed around more. :mix:
Here's a pic of a good bottom.
http://www2.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/478DSCN2757.JPG

ACLC
06-02-2005, 01:11 PM
525 EFI, 2005

Beer-30
06-02-2005, 01:12 PM
Is that the bottom of the SUPERBOAT? Looks nicely aggressive.

Beer-30
06-02-2005, 01:16 PM
525 EFI, 2005
See, same deal. You will probably be ready for a new one in 3-4 years, and someone will get a great deal on that one. I was looking for a 2750, but there weren't any that fit my need or price. One was a closed bow (not gonna do it) and there was another that was yellow and black (neither of my two choice colors, red and red) and they wanted $68K for it. It was an '03, I belive, which is not a bad price. It had an HO.

ACLC
06-02-2005, 01:19 PM
That boat with the HO will do 70 mph. Incredible huh?

RiverDave
06-02-2005, 01:19 PM
What's the down side of powdercoat compared to paint, Dave? :confused:
UV fades powder coat all the way through. Paint only fades on the surface from sunlight.. So in theory you can wetsand paint/buff but your not likely to get the same results from Powdercoat. Powdercoat is considerably more durable then paint and arguably should hold up better against road debris and general abuse etc.. As well it generally bonds to the trailer alot better from what I understand.
I had mine painted for the bling factor... Just looks shinier
RD

FASTERDAMITT
06-02-2005, 01:21 PM
Is that the bottom of the SUPERBOAT? Looks nicely aggressive.
Yep.

Beer-30
06-02-2005, 01:23 PM
Yep.
See? Put some red checkers on it and cut the bow open and......
LOL. j/k. Sometimes I crack myself up.

dicudmore
06-02-2005, 01:30 PM
That boat with the HO will do 70 mph. Incredible huh?
more than that I'm afraid...
My Cheetah will touch 70 and Nick (Wild Lavey) was leaving me out in the ocean :wink:

FASTERDAMITT
06-02-2005, 01:41 PM
See? Put some red checkers on it and cut the bow open and......
LOL. j/k. Sometimes I crack myself up.
Your just dieing to spread some checker fever aren't you! :D If I had open bow, were would I keep my pimp ho's! I'm puttin foot rests on the cieling above the V birth! :D

dicudmore
06-02-2005, 01:42 PM
Your just dieing to spread some checker fever aren't you! :D If I had open bow, were would I keep my pimp ho's! I'm puttin foot rests on the cieling above the V birth! :D
this sounds interesting...
Can I show my G/F around your new boat when its done??

Beer-30
06-02-2005, 01:49 PM
Your just dieing to spread some checker fever aren't you! :D If I had open bow, were would I keep my pimp ho's! I'm puttin foot rests on the cieling above the V birth! :D
:D :D :D :D :D :D
That's why there is bow-rails, silly. To tie limbs to. :devil:

Tom Brown
06-02-2005, 01:53 PM
UV fades powder coat all the way through. Paint only fades on the surface from sunlight..
Someone was telling me about that earlier this afternoon while they banged away on my credit card like it was a bad starter solenoid.

RiverDave
06-02-2005, 01:54 PM
Someone was telling me about that while they banged away on my credit card like it was a bad starter solenoid.
Like a screen door in a hurricane.. :)
RD

voodoomedman
06-04-2005, 10:10 AM
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Bob,
Welcome to the boards. It's about time you got sucked in. :D