Any Highway Patol Here?

[sdpm]

My wife was driving out to meet us in Havasu from San Diego this last weekend and was pulled over for an estimated speed of 80 in a 65. She was going through the dips just east of Glamis and was comming up a rise from one of the dips and veering a little to the left when comming over the rise in the other direction was a CHP. She said she went for quite a ways before she was pulled over. After asking for the basics he explained to her that she was getting a ticket for speeding. She asked him how fast she was going and he said around 80? She said that she didn't think she was going that fast and I doubt she was either. She has never had a speeding ticket in 26yrs of driving and she also had our kids with her. How did he estimate her speed? Even on the ticket it reads "est 80". I don't see how he could have estimated that. :confused:

[piper]

With your wife's driving record being so good maybe you might want to go to court.

[sdpm]

Hi Piper, I just don't understand how he estimated her speed? I wasn't there and she didn't ask any questions and my 6 yr old was very scared and she just wanted to get out of there. She didn't want to even stop out in the middle of no where with just her and the kids in the car. I will never let her drive anywhere like that again. She was scared and so were my kids. If she was speeding so be it. I don't have a problem with that, but what I do have a problem with is the "estimate" thing! If she was caught on radar or paced then O.K.. Never again! My bad. I'll take the ticket thinking of what could have happened?

[famaffair]

My wife was driving out to meet us in Havasu from San Diego this last weekend and was pulled over for an estimated speed of 80 in a 65. She was going through the dips just east of Glamis and was comming up a rise from one of the dips and veering a little to the left when comming over the rise in the other direction was a CHP. She said she went for quite a ways before she was pulled over. After asking for the basics he explained to her that she was getting a ticket for speeding. She asked him how fast she was going and he said around 80? She said that she didn't think she was going that fast and I doubt she was either. She has never had a speeding ticket in 26yrs of driving and she also had our kids with her. How did he estimate her speed? Even on the ticket it reads "est 80". I don't see how he could have estimated that. :confused:
It's possible he was running radar, however it should have been on the ticket . However, speed estimates do hold up in court. If you are radar trained, you have to do 100 speed estimates and be withinn 5 mph on each estimate to get radar trained. Even if he was not using radar he can write that ticket as an estimate because he is considered a speed expert. Courts have upheld this method of enforcement.

[NuckinFutz]

I can't speak for California, but in Utah a speed estimation won't hold up in court without a radar, lidar, or paced conformation. All officers estimate speed and confirm it with one of the above methods. Granted, after 15 years of chasing tailights for a living, I get pretty good at estimates, but would never right a citation, or even pull someone over without knowing without a doubt what the confirmed speed is. I'd take the citation to court and make the officer prove he is as good as a radar! Guilty means "beyond a reasonable doubt", and I don't think his estimate will hold up to that standard.

[piper]

It's possible he was running radar, however it should have been on the ticket . However, speed estimates do hold up in court. If you are radar trained, you have to do 100 speed estimates and be withinn 5 mph on each estimate to get radar trained. Even if he was not using radar he can write that ticket as an estimate because he is considered a speed expert. Courts have upheld this method of enforcement.
True but is sdbm's wife has a good driving record maybe that can help them out of the ticket.

[sdpm]

Hi Bob, I don't know if you remember the incident quite awhile ago here in San Diego about the CHP officer that pulled a girl over on th 15 fwy at Mercy Rd. I think here last name was Knott or something close to that. The CHP officer took her ouder the overpass and killed her!! This has always stuck in our minds and alot of others around here. To this day alot of women will not stop when getting pulled over until they are around other people or in a populated area and well lighted ( if at night). I think my little girl was just scared because she is just a little girl and have never seen her dad or mom get a ticket or puller over. Thats all. My wife did say that he was not very nice and even looked a little mean. :devil:

[blowngas]

what the hell ever happened to "protect and serve"???-----it's a damn shame that it's turned into a way of generating revenue now days!!!!

[MudPumper]

Bitchen, another cop bashing thread. :crossx: :)

[sdpm]

Hey Bob, you wouldn't happen to be the Bob that was or is partners in Shockwave are you?

[famaffair]

That incident was in the early 80s, I beleive 1980 but not exactly sure. The Officer that killed that poor girl is still in jail and will never get out.

[sdpm]

You know the other thing that is odd is that the ticket reads: posted speed limit 65, safe speed limit 70, and recorded speed est 80. If the speed limit is posted 65 what is up with the safe speed limit he wrote 70? I don't understand any of this. I can see if it was raining or snowing and the safe limit was lower but higher than the posted limit? Go figure??

[RiverRacer]

My wife was driving out to meet us in Havasu from San Diego this last weekend and was pulled over for an estimated speed of 80 in a 65. She was going through the dips just east of Glamis and was comming up a rise from one of the dips and veering a little to the left when comming over the rise in the other direction was a CHP. She said she went for quite a ways before she was pulled over. After asking for the basics he explained to her that she was getting a ticket for speeding. She asked him how fast she was going and he said around 80? She said that she didn't think she was going that fast and I doubt she was either. She has never had a speeding ticket in 26yrs of driving and she also had our kids with her. How did he estimate her speed? Even on the ticket it reads "est 80". I don't see how he could have estimated that. :confused:
I would have your Wife go to Court on this. Have her plead not guilty and ask for a court trial. They will assign her a trial date, and you will have to post bail in the amount of any possible fine. When the trial date arrives, have your Wife in Court WITH your kids in tow. They will be witnesses. There is a very good chance the officer will not show up. Case dismissed. There is also a VERY good chance given your wife's spotless DMV report(the Judge will have it in front of him) that he will believe her instead of the officer's 'estimate'. Case dismissed. If he asks for a witness, let your Wife bring up the oldest child that was with her. The Judge will ask one question(given her record) like 'Was your Mommy driving faster than she normally does on a trip when the officer pulled her over?" When your child says 'no', he will believe them(they don't lie). Case dismissed. This is a win-win-win situation. I wouldn't pay the fine. Take em' to Court.
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[gnRacer98]

Step back at look at it from the CHP point of view.
If after ndturning around to pursue her, he noted he was exceeding 90-95mph for "quite a ways" most reasonable people (like a judge) would accept that as fairly good "estimate" of her speed. Be grateful she stopped, she would have had alot more reason to be "scared" if he had to forcibly remove her from the highway for evading an LE. Pay the ticket and be grateful everyone is safe.

[77charger]

I was pulled over years ago on a motorcycle cop was on side of fwy getting ready to go back on.I stopped he told me he estimated me at 75 then asked how fast ti thought i was going i was honest told him prob little over 70 (speed limit was 55 then)He told me that if he wrote me the ticket his estimate was good enough in court(from his experience) but let me go with a warning for being honest about the speed.These days time off work to fight a ticket that you WILL NOT WIN is not worth it.I take the traffic school and deal with it.

[locogringo]

I was pulled over years ago on a motorcycle cop was on side of fwy getting ready to go back on.I stopped he told me he estimated me at 75 then asked how fast ti thought i was going i was honest told him prob little over 70 (speed limit was 55 then)He told me that if he wrote me the ticket his estimate was good enough in court(from his experience) but let me go with a warning for being honest about the speed.These days time off work to fight a ticket that you WILL NOT WIN is not worth it.I take the traffic school and deal with it.
I would have to disagree. It has been a while now but I think I have gotten out of 5-6 tickets over the last 9 years.

[novaguy]

Hi Bob, I don't know if you remember the incident quite awhile ago here in San Diego about the CHP officer that pulled a girl over on th 15 fwy at Mercy Rd. I think here last name was Knott or something close to that. The CHP officer took her ouder the overpass and killed her!! This has always stuck in our minds and alot of others around here. To this day alot of women will not stop when getting pulled over until they are around other people or in a populated area and well lighted ( if at night). I think my little girl was just scared because she is just a little girl and have never seen her dad or mom get a ticket or puller over. Thats all. My wife did say that he was not very nice and even looked a little mean. :devil:
PULEEEEZE!!!!!! Suck it up and admit your f/u....

[PBOCOP]

More than likely, he was using a Stalker Dual Radar system in his unit. This is mounted on the dash and it shows the speeds for the vehicles coming towards you. We them on the motorcycles, CHP has them on the motorcycles and most of the units too. In a desolate area like that, I'm sure all the units have that radar setup as well. Visual estimation will hold up in court based on experience, etc, but more than likely he was using moving radar. They have front and rear antennae's as well so that we get the vehicle coming towards us as well as when they pass us. Pretty slick system.

[scarabrick2]

I got a ticket for the same thing. I also had NO prior tickets. I called the court house to take care of it and the lady on the phone said since you have clean record sign the back of the ticket, pay the full amount, admit your fault(signing the ticket) and she'll drop the charge to a non moving violation (AKA Parking ticket). I then got a ticket again a few months later and they did the same thing. Only thing it hurts is the pocket book. They (the court) don't want you to take up the courts time and if you go to pleed not guilty with the DA's croney he'll say, he doesn't want you to take up the judges time and reduce the payment usually by half. I payed over the phone with a CC and it only took 5-6 min.
Rick

[sdpm]

Step back at look at it from the CHP point of view.
If after ndturning around to pursue her, he noted he was exceeding 90-95mph for "quite a ways" most reasonable people (like a judge) would accept that as fairly good "estimate" of her speed. Be grateful she stopped, she would have had alot more reason to be "scared" if he had to forcibly remove her from the highway for evading an LE. Pay the ticket and be grateful everyone is safe.
You are so right!! I could really care less about the ticket. I was just interested in how he did this, thats all.I am very GRATEFUL that everyone is safe. Thanks
It sure was an eye opener for me!

[meaniam]

gee i would be glad to just get away with my ticket being half. or if i thought that the chp in whittier wouldnt show up and i would win by defualt id give it a try. but i do have prior offences have gone to court to try and fight lost then lost abilty to do traffic school.My current ticket is for driving over the carpool lanes. I know that makes me an ahole, and i am guilty just wish i didnt have to pay the 369 dollar fine plus traffic school, i suppose that is what you get for knowing your are breaking the law before you do it. guilty of doing proably 20 times. I dont think the chp has to be there anymore cant he submit a written statement?

[Havasu_Dreamin]

You know the other thing that is odd is that the ticket reads: posted speed limit 65, safe speed limit 70, and recorded speed est 80. If the speed limit is posted 65 what is up with the safe speed limit he wrote 70? I don't understand any of this. I can see if it was raining or snowing and the safe limit was lower but higher than the posted limit? Go figure??
If I rememeber from my traffic school days, Speed Limit is not a definite, meaning you can go a faster, safe speed, for the given conditions. Maximum speed is a hard line, no faster than that allowed under any conditions.

[Beer-30]

Boy, everyone sure is glad when a CHP officer rolls up to take the accident report when someone hits them, but get bashed for doing the other part of their job. Hmmm.

[MagicMtnDan]

My wife was driving and she got a ticket from a CHP officer. Why did that happen?
Uh, maybe she was exceeding the speed limit and the officer wrote her up for violating the law? :rollside:
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