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FRENCHIE
06-13-2005, 01:39 PM
Eclipse head unit Farenh DVD:
http://www2.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/981Syst1.jpg
Clarion 5x7's :
http://www2.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/981Sys2.jpg
Visor DVD:
http://www2.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/981Sys3.jpg
VST drop down:
http://www2.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/981Sys4.jpg
JL amp:
http://www2.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/981Sys5.jpg
Sony Expl amp:
http://www2.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/981Sys6.jpg
Biglue
06-13-2005, 01:41 PM
Eclipse head unit Farenh DVD:
http://www2.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/981Syst1.jpg
Clarion 5x7's :
http://www2.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/981Sys2.jpg
Visor DVD:
http://www2.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/981Sys3.jpg
VST drop down:
http://www2.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/981Sys4.jpg
JL amp:
http://www2.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/981Sys5.jpg
Sony Expl amp:
http://www2.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/981Sys6.jpg
Nice but where are the subs???
FRENCHIE
06-13-2005, 01:41 PM
Box built in with 2 - 10 Jl subs, and headphones!
http://www2.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/981Sys7.jpg
again
http://www2.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/981Sys8.jpg
Bass toggle in dash!! this thing rocks!!!
http://www2.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/981Bass1.jpg
....thanx again to..'MODERN IMAGE CUSTOM AUDIO' ...they will prob be tuning my boat, as they also do a ton of Custom boat installs!!!!
H20 Toie....you need to check these guys out for your F250!!!! ;) :hammer2: :D
Biglue
06-13-2005, 01:42 PM
Why are you mixing your amps? Why not all JL or all Sony?
Fosgate is the ticket. Frenchie you can do much better than just two tens. I have an F150 with two 12's behind the longer of the two seats. By doing so you can still have some storage behind the rear seats. Just my .02
FRENCHIE
06-13-2005, 01:44 PM
Why are you mixing your amps? Why not all JL or all Sony?
By the way...you are actually putting in a stereo in your boat? lol
better believe it..all alpine, and Kicker!!! To keep my $$$$ down a little i went with the sony Xpl amp for the doors with a continuous 75w per speaker!!!
;)
Eliminator 4 Life
06-13-2005, 01:45 PM
Come on frenchie you spend all that money on nice $hit and you put crappy amps in :idea:
FRENCHIE
06-13-2005, 01:46 PM
they have it all, all brands, etc!! I limited my self to a budget, which was hard to do, as i did not want to spend 4- 5 k in the truck, and with my budget it absolutely rocks!! ;)
Biglue
06-13-2005, 01:47 PM
Disagree here but whatever floats your boat :)
PPI is another good brand from way back. JL is o.k. and Sony I haven't really cared for as far as mobile audio crap. I think their styling approach and logos are nasty. Just my .02
Eliminator 4 Life
06-13-2005, 01:47 PM
One crappy amp in......BUT....
if it accomplishes what he wants then it is not crappy at all..
I see 2 :hammer2:
Eliminator 4 Life
06-13-2005, 01:48 PM
But other then that Frenchie everything else looks sweet :D
rvrpig
06-13-2005, 01:49 PM
Eclipse head unit Farenh DVD:
http://www2.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/981Syst1.jpg
Clarion 5x7's :
http://www2.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/981Sys2.jpg
Visor DVD:
http://www2.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/981Sys3.jpg
VST drop down:
http://www2.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/981Sys4.jpg
JL amp:
http://www2.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/981Sys5.jpg
Sony Expl amp:
http://www2.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/981Sys6.jpg
SWEET SET UP...IS THAT A DOUBLE DIN DASH OR DIN AND A HALF?
FRENCHIE
06-13-2005, 01:51 PM
But other then that Frenchie everything else looks sweet :D
i cant imagine the sound any more than what i have...id prob blow the back window out...its worrying me now!!!!
:2purples: :)
Biglue
06-13-2005, 01:52 PM
Well I use the JL and have been for a number of years. My JL with all JL speakers sounds better and is louder than 95% of the systems out there.
Never heard your before but mine is very clean sounding and plays for a long time at high volumes. I understand Fosgate overheats a lot. Never dealt with it myself as I have never used them.
My 820 watt fosfate runs my subs until the battery wears down literally. I've always had great luck with them. One time the ground cable was too thin a gage and it burnt out a fuse. Other than that it was good to go.
Eliminator 4 Life
06-13-2005, 01:52 PM
Well I use the JL and have been for a number of years. My JL with all JL speakers sounds better and are louder than 95% of the systems out there.
Never heard your before but mine is very clean sounding and plays for a long time at high volumes. I understand Fosgate overheats a lot. Never dealt with it myself as I have never used them.
Oh im not knocking Jl speakers at all they kick azz but I have broke a few Jl amps :D Just speaking from past experince
FRENCHIE
06-13-2005, 01:52 PM
Well I use the JL and have been for a number of years. My JL with all JL speakers sounds better and are louder than 95% of the systems out there.
Never heard yours before but mine is very clean sounding and plays for a long time at high volumes. I understand Fosgate overheats a lot. Never dealt with it myself as I have never used them.
i have to agree tom...your ish rocks!! thats why i wanted JL Subs and Jl amp to power those...had to get sum Jl in there!!!!
:hammer2: :D ;)
Biglue
06-13-2005, 01:53 PM
Rockford Fosgate and PPI are shells of their former selves. Neither has made a good amp in 10 years. JMO, YMMV.
Think so?? I'm running Fosgate now and my buddy all ppi's and both trucks are rocking.
essexjet
06-13-2005, 01:53 PM
Looks good Leon. Did you need to remount the rear seat or remove anything?
MsGHTRIM
06-13-2005, 01:54 PM
Can't wait to dance outside the truck with Nicki and Carrie!!!! :D
Biglue
06-13-2005, 01:54 PM
i have to agree tom...your ish rocks!! thats why i wanted JL Subs and Jl amp to power those...had to get sum Jl in there!!!!
:hammer2: :D ;)
Dude I still say you could go with 12's and get that little extra rumble you can't get from 10's. I would.
GHTRIM
06-13-2005, 01:55 PM
PPI is another good brand from way back. JL is o.k. and Sony I haven't really cared for as far as mobile audio crap. I think their styling approach and logos are nasty. Just my .02
Although they don't produce PPI any longer (this is what I'm told)...
Eliminator 4 Life
06-13-2005, 01:56 PM
Rockford Fosgate and PPI are shells of their former selves. Neither has made a good amp in 10 years. JMO, YMMV.
Well that is going out on a limb saying that cause PPI built some real kick azz shit and I had it in my old ride when they had the 600.2 amp that thing rocked the house I had that running three 10w6s in my old k5 nothing in town could touch it.
FRENCHIE
06-13-2005, 01:57 PM
Looks good Leon. Did you need to remount the rear seat or remove anything?
nope they cust mounted al and its perfect!!
:cool:
Biglue
06-13-2005, 01:57 PM
Although they don't produce PPI any longer (this is what I'm told)...
Really?? My buddy bought his last amp about a year ago. How long has this been?
Biglue
06-13-2005, 01:58 PM
LOL
I still have an A600 and a somthing 440.
GHTRIM
06-13-2005, 01:58 PM
I believe they do. They're owned by DEI, the ruiner of all brands that were once good, including Orion and a/d/s.
That's funny "ruiner of all brands that were once good" :hammerhea
Looks bitchin Leon... Now your PIMPIN'
Eliminator 4 Life
06-13-2005, 01:59 PM
600.2 Art or Design Series? That amp was 10 years old. :D
damn has it been that long no it hasnt been 10 years I have only been out of high school 12 years ago and I had the truck when I was 21 so I would say 8 years :p
Eliminator 4 Life
06-13-2005, 01:59 PM
LOL
DILLAGF ha ha :hammerhea
Biglue
06-13-2005, 01:59 PM
Great...glad you have had good luck. I have 4 JL amps on my boat, 3 subs and 6 6X9's and 6 5X7 seperates. Oh ya...5 batteries also. I have fans provided for the amps so they never overheat. Got Rons Billet Grills throuout also (powder coated white).
Sweet set. You blew a small fortune on that one huh?
a catered life
06-13-2005, 02:00 PM
Disagree here but whatever floats your boat :)
i second that only older fosgate rocks
a catered life
06-13-2005, 02:01 PM
Eclipse head unit Farenh DVD:
http://www2.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/981Syst1.jpg
Clarion 5x7's :
http://www2.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/981Sys2.jpg
Visor DVD:
http://www2.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/981Sys3.jpg
VST drop down:
http://www2.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/981Sys4.jpg
JL amp:
http://www2.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/981Sys5.jpg
Sony Expl amp:
http://www2.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/981Sys6.jpg
nice set up there french......remember "f the haters"
Biglue
06-13-2005, 02:02 PM
The Art series were one of the best SOUNDING amps ever made. Didn't hit super hard, but super, super clean. If you eBay, those things still fetch top dollar.
Interesting thought.
Eliminator 4 Life
06-13-2005, 02:03 PM
I am not an expert but maybe it was old stock when you got it.....
Well I think we should place a bet ha ha since we are both gambling men ha ha and we will have a stereo guy come tell us :cool:
Biglue
06-13-2005, 02:04 PM
nice set up there french......remember "f the haters"
No haters, just opinions. Got to give it up to a man with new truck and soon to be boat
Eliminator 4 Life
06-13-2005, 02:04 PM
Sorry, should have elaborated. A 10 year old design, probably closer to 12, that they sold for years, like the old Orion HCCA, which were in production for like 8 years.
I dont agree with this but I have been known to be wrong :argue:
dicudmore
06-13-2005, 02:08 PM
looks good Leon :D
Where's this shop that did it up?
LAVEYSABRE575
06-13-2005, 02:11 PM
FRENCH, tell glen or dave you want the zapcos they absolutely rock, those guys are great at modern image they did my HTM and my SABRE also my f250 f150 now there doing the silverado if you have them do your boat have them wire it in while its being rigged much cleaner install and glen or dave will go to shockwave..
riverbound
06-13-2005, 02:15 PM
Well I think we should place a bet ha ha since we are both gambling men ha ha and we will have a stereo guy come tell us :cool:
I might know of a stereo guy that has been around a while :wink: ...What do you need to know?
riverbound
06-13-2005, 02:18 PM
Frenchie. as long as the system does what you want it to do and it fit within your budget parameters that is all you should care about. But if you are seriously going to do your boat and want it to be impressive let me know and I will get you hooked up. It will not only sound good but the amps will match.
FRENCHIE
06-13-2005, 02:18 PM
looks good Leon :D
Where's this shop that did it up?
Moreno valley out by lake perris!!
:wink: :cool:
FRENCHIE
06-13-2005, 02:19 PM
FRENCH, tell glen or dave you want the zapcos they absolutely rock, those guys are great at modern image they did my HTM and my SABRE also my f250 f150 now there doing the silverado if you have them do your boat have them wire it in while its being rigged much cleaner install and glen or dave will go to shockwave..
they def know there shit!!
:cool:
Glad to hear you like it, but have them put some black or grey speaker grill cloth against the inside of your front speaker grills to hide them white/silver speakers.... :)
Eliminator 4 Life
06-13-2005, 03:11 PM
I might know of a stereo guy that has been around a while :wink: ...What do you need to know?
Oh yea who is he haha we are talking about PPI amps and there was one in paticular I mentioned which was the 600.2 which was better then the 600. I dont remember if the 600.2 came in the art series I know design series cause I had it in my truck.
VEGASBABY
06-13-2005, 03:30 PM
Dam Leon ,Hope none of my home boys from the IE are on the HB boards! Better lock it up tight Vato!! :2purples:
FRENCHIE
06-13-2005, 05:14 PM
Dam Leon ,Hope none of my home boys from the IE are on the HB boards! Better lock it up tight Vato!! :2purples:
i will be gettin wireless, pager alarm!!!!
VEGASBABY
06-13-2005, 05:28 PM
i will be gettin wireless, pager alarm!!!! Dude is that like cryptonite to the home boys? :jawdrop:
JetBoatRich
06-13-2005, 05:34 PM
Turned out nice, my F350 needs an upgrade :idea:
FRENCHIE
06-13-2005, 05:36 PM
Turned out nice, my F350 needs an upgrade :idea:
thanx man...let me know!!! :wink:
VEGASBABY
06-13-2005, 05:40 PM
Are you bringin the truck to Vegas?
FRENCHIE
06-13-2005, 05:41 PM
Are you bringin the truck to Vegas?
WANT TO...BUT LOOKS LIKE THE 'LEX!' PROB THE WEEKEND AFTER FOR NEW BOAT DELIVERY TRIP TO HAVASU!!!!
;)
mike37
06-13-2005, 06:15 PM
Leon that a great setup I need to do that to my truck
JetBoatRich
06-13-2005, 06:15 PM
thanx man...let me know!!! :wink:
chk your PM :rolleyes:
Roxysnow
06-13-2005, 06:52 PM
Looks really good! Nicki's going to love that visor tv! :D
Lendon Smith
06-13-2005, 07:30 PM
What would that system cost with out all the dvd stuff?
I have an 04 F-250 also that is in need of an upgrade?
Thanks
Bundy
FRENCHIE
06-13-2005, 08:23 PM
What would that system cost with out all the dvd stuff?
I have an 04 F-250 also that is in need of an upgrade?
Thanks
Bundy
I WOULD SAY GIVE EM A CALL...IF YOU NEED THIER # P.M. ME!!!
:cool:
g1500
06-13-2005, 08:31 PM
Box built in with 2 - 10 Jl subs, and headphones!
http://www2.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/981Sys7.jpg
again
http://www2.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/981Sys8.jpg
Bass toggle in dash!! this thing rocks!!!
http://www2.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/981Bass1.jpg
....thanx again to..'MODERN IMAGE CUSTOM AUDIO' ...they will prob be tuning my boat, as they also do a ton of Custom boat installs!!!!
H20 Toie....you need to check these guys out for your F250!!!! ;) :hammer2: :D
What series of JL's are those?
FRENCHIE
06-13-2005, 10:03 PM
What series of JL's are those?
ILL HAVE TO CONFIRM, BUT I BELIEVE W3!!
:cool:
g1500
06-13-2005, 10:21 PM
ILL HAVE TO CONFIRM, BUT I BELIEVE W3!!
:cool:
I was just curious, because i have a 12W3 and it has a buble in the center of the cone. They recently came out with a 12W3V2, and it is totally round. They also didnt have the grey color to them. Pretty nice system. Im thinking 2 solobaric L7's and 1000-1500 watts for my next system.
Those are the new w1v2's...
g1500
06-13-2005, 11:49 PM
Those are the new w1v2's...
Thats what i was thinkin......are they any good? Aparently he is satisfied with the 2 woofers..... :2purples:
FRENCHIE
06-14-2005, 04:57 AM
Thats what i was thinkin......are they any good? Aparently he is satisfied with the 2 woofers..... :2purples:
UNFRICKEN REAL, BUT THEY ARE IN A SMALL CAB SPACE SO THE SOUND IS REALLY AMPLIFIED ALSO1!!
;)
Thats what i was thinkin......are they any good? Aparently he is satisfied with the 2 woofers..... :2purples:
He said WOOF ers :eek:
Eliminator 4 Life
06-14-2005, 08:26 AM
He said WOOF ers :eek:
I say subs .. Roz your a stereo guy the PPI 600.2 when did that comeout?? say about 8 years ago someone else is saying more then 10 sorry to jack the thread Frenchie Im just curious now :D
I say subs .. Roz your a stereo guy the PPI 600.2 when did that comeout?? say about 8 years ago someone else is saying more then 10 sorry to jack the thread Frenchie Im just curious now :D
Well, the A600 was sold 92-97, the APA625 and APA630IX(Sedona Series) was 91-92 and 93-95 respecively, the AX606.2 was 96-97, the PC650 was 97-99 as was the PC6600. The Pro 650 and PRO6800 were 97-99 and the Pro Art100 was 96-97...I think the 600.2 was like 95 or 96 - 97.... :idea: That was about the time a lot of mfg's were using flourescent colors on their white amps...
I, for sure, had three Art Series 600.2's in a show car in 1994, that was my last year competing in IASCA events.
If you had them, for sure in 94, then I guess I was 1-1.5 yr off... It was a long time ago... Besides, who really cares anways? How well did you do in competition?
riverbound
06-14-2005, 09:40 AM
Well, the A600 was sold 92-97, the APA625 and APA630IX(Sedona Series) was 91-92 and 93-95 respecively, the AX606.2 was 96-97, the PC650 was 97-99 as was the PC6600. The Pro 650 and PRO6800 were 97-99 and the Pro Art100 was 96-97...I think the 600.2 was like 95 or 96 - 97.... :idea: That was about the time a lot of mfg's were using flourescent colors on their white amps...
Yah...what Roz Said. The difference between the art series amps and the black amps with the red writing was I think the black amp had crossovers built in.
Eliminator 4 Life
06-14-2005, 10:10 AM
Yah...what Roz Said. The difference between the art series amps and the black amps with the red writing was I think the black amp had crossovers built in.
You are right about the cross overs I was just curious cause when I got them when I was 20 or 21 the guy had to wait on them cause they were new which would have been 96 so when ROz says 95 96 97 that is right about the time frame :D
Eliminator 4 Life
06-14-2005, 10:22 AM
You're wrong, but whatever. I only worked in that industry for 8 years.
:yuk: :p
You're wrong, but whatever. I only worked in that industry for 8 years.
Be glad you got out.... :notam: Unofficially got in somewhere between 85-88 and started working here in 93... It's 2005 :notam: Too many makes and models to try to remember, but the good ones always come to mind... That's why I always recommend Spakomatic. :)
Kilrtoy
06-14-2005, 10:59 AM
So what was the cost of this get up......
riverbound
06-14-2005, 11:28 AM
Be glad you got out.... :notam: Unofficially got in somewhere between 85-88 and started working here in 93... It's 2005 :notam: Too many makes and models to try to remember, but the good ones always come to mind... That's why I always recommend Spakomatic. :)
What???? You dont remember every feauture of every make and model from 10 yrs ago.....whats wrong with you??
SHockwave Bob if I was wrong I apologize. I was also in the industry for quite some time and still have very close ties, But to remember every feature of every amp made is dificult.
g1500
06-14-2005, 01:18 PM
UNFRICKEN REAL, BUT THEY ARE IN A SMALL CAB SPACE SO THE SOUND IS REALLY AMPLIFIED ALSO1!!
;)
Their site says they are only 150RMS, and they dont seem like they would hit that hard.......I guess i gotta check them out.
Their site says they are only 150RMS, and they dont seem like they would hit that hard.......I guess i gotta check them out.
At 150 in the right box they will perform very well, but not what you want if feeling bass 5 car lengths away is what you're after. Truth is that most people are quite satisfied with 100- 250 watts for single or dual 10's...
MAINEVENT
06-14-2005, 03:00 PM
Box built in with 2 - 10 Jl subs, and headphones!
http://www2.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/981Sys7.jpg
again
http://www2.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/981Sys8.jpg
Bass toggle in dash!! this thing rocks!!!
http://www2.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/981Bass1.jpg
....thanx again to..'MODERN IMAGE CUSTOM AUDIO' ...they will prob be tuning my boat, as they also do a ton of Custom boat installs!!!!
H20 Toie....you need to check these guys out for your F250!!!! ;) :hammer2: :D
Do you know if they make the same box but for 4 10's or for 2 12's
Excessive Force
06-14-2005, 03:17 PM
yea how much, looks to be over 3k fo sho!
FRENCHIE
06-14-2005, 05:57 PM
yea how much, looks to be over 3k fo sho!
YOUR RIGHT IN THE BALLPARK!!! ONE MILLION DOLLARS!!!
:D
H20 Toie
06-14-2005, 08:08 PM
47k for the truck
5k for the lift and tires
4k for the stereo
Watching the girls dance
priceless
FRENCHIE
06-14-2005, 09:07 PM
47k for the truck
5k for the lift and tires
4k for the stereo
Watching the girls dance
priceless
YOU GOT YOUR PRIORITIES RIGHT!!!
;) :hammer2: :D
g1500
06-14-2005, 11:41 PM
150WRMS is how much power the speaker will safely handle continuously, not it's actual output. One of the most misunderstood specs in car audio.
No BS, 300WRMS power to 2 12's (150WRMS each) is a lot of power inside an area that small.
I totally understand that concept, but maybe theres somthing im missing out on......
If its 150RMS and say 400Peak, then peak is the max power to the woofer before it fries, in theory. Dont RMS and Peak usually go somewhat in unisin?
Im thinking about 2 solobaric L&7 10" 1200 peak, and 600RMS I'll probably be putting 1600-1700 watts.
What size amp are you using for those woofers right now?
RiverRatMike
06-14-2005, 11:55 PM
how the heck did you get both of those din units to fit in your superduty dash. I've been wanting to put in my Sony EQ din with my Sony headunit din in my superduty but it's not going to fit both of those in there.
slingingsmoke
06-15-2005, 12:16 AM
you have to take the grinder out and go to town. It'll work, but Frenchie's set up is very clean.
Good job French. Or atleast good job to whoever you handed over the greenbacks to.
If you trim that carpeted cardboard we have behind the seat to the body metal, I've seen 15" subs fit very nicely.
FRENCHIE
06-15-2005, 04:54 AM
how the heck did you get both of those din units to fit in your superduty dash. I've been wanting to put in my Sony EQ din with my Sony headunit din in my superduty but it's not going to fit both of those in there.
call 'Modern Image'!! they can do just about any customization!!! ;)
FRENCHIE
06-15-2005, 04:54 AM
you have to take the grinder out and go to town. It'll work, but Frenchie's set up is very clean.
Good job French. Or atleast good job to whoever you handed over the greenbacks to.
If you trim that carpeted cardboard we have behind the seat to the body metal, I've seen 15" subs fit very nicely.
thanx!!!!
;)
riverbound
06-15-2005, 05:25 AM
how the heck did you get both of those din units to fit in your superduty dash. I've been wanting to put in my Sony EQ din with my Sony headunit din in my superduty but it's not going to fit both of those in there.
Its actually very easy and no cusotmization is involved. Metra makes a Double-din kit for that truck and all you have to do is grind allittle on the factory radio mounts.
riverbound
06-15-2005, 05:27 AM
you have to take the grinder out and go to town. It'll work, but Frenchie's set up is very clean.
Good job French. Or atleast good job to whoever you handed over the greenbacks to.
If you trim that carpeted cardboard we have behind the seat to the body metal, I've seen 15" subs fit very nicely.
what kind of 15's?? and what kind of box? I have seen people use the back wall of the truck as the back of the box and that is not the right way to build a box it will resonate the rear wall of the truck very badly and hinder the sound.
riverbound
06-15-2005, 05:32 AM
So what was the cost of this get up......
Retail on this set up would be $3000-$3500 OTD. But Im sure Frenchie got a killer deal the way he is promoting these guys.
slingingsmoke
06-15-2005, 08:39 AM
what kind of 15's?? and what kind of box?
Will try to find pics and more info tonight. They looked awesome though.
what kind of 15's?? and what kind of box?
Wondering the same thing... I've seen some pretty deeeeeep 15's :rollside:
looks real nice, Dave and Glen are good guys.
FRENCHIE
06-15-2005, 02:03 PM
looks real nice, Dave and Glen are good guys.
THEYRE YOUR HOME TOWN MO-VALL PEEPS!!!
;) :D
THEYRE YOUR HOME TOWN MO-VALL PEEPS!!!
;) :D
My family has known them for the past 10 years.
V-DRIVES RULE
06-15-2005, 03:13 PM
you dont have to spend a shitload of GRIP to get a good sound give the guy some credit! a truck is real small you dont need to go FULL GANGSTER till it rattles the motor mounts out of it!
FRENCHIE
06-16-2005, 04:54 AM
you dont have to spend a shitload of GRIP to get a good sound give the guy some credit! a truck is real small you dont need to go FULL GANGSTER till it rattles the motor mounts out of it!
Exactly...although i still spent a few$$!!!
:wink: now the new boat......thats a different story!!!! :)
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