The Rev. Williams Engine Project

[Infomaniac]

Well The engine is torn down and the block going in the oven for cleaning. The #4 main bearing was spun. It stayed on the crank in 1 piece when we pulled the crank.
I have taken a bunch of pictures. unfortunately I am leaving to drive to Memphis immediately after work today and will not be back until
sat night. We plan on going to the lake Sunday so not sure when I can post pics. I will put up at least 1 0r 2 before leaving on the road trip.
It will end up being a 496 with 9.8:1 Pump gas friendly compression. Found a J$E piston with a 5cc dome. Perfect for the 110 CC Edelbrock heads. Will give it the works for machine work and put a little better cam in it. Gonna have to call the Rev. to see what else his budget will accomodate. lol

[Racer277]

Ron, Rev says screw the budget, put some cools stuff in to make it go fast.
He says he knows some good loan guys....
:D

[Infomaniac]

OK I gotta get on the road soo....
"Here Rev. You got a broke tooth on your flywheel. You sure you want to use this? Or is this a toothless joke for us Okies?
http://moritzmachine.com/tooth.jpg
My man Dave getting ready to tear it up.
http://moritzmachine.com/dave.jpg
This is where it will be torn down. A 30 year old engine shop.
http://moritzmachine.com/tear down.jpg
The culprit metal maker
http://moritzmachine.com/culprit.jpg
OK I'm out of here. Will do a much better job when I get back from my road trip.

[GofastRacer]

So, what was the cause for the spun bearing??? :confused:

[bigd1]

Typical mechanic, always findin' new problems once it's all torn apart... :D :D :D

[Wicked Performance Boats]

Please tell us what caused #4 main to go out? Is that a gen5 or 6 motor? I know the oiling system is different than a gen4. Budlight :idea: :idea:

[Infomaniac]

Did not have time for an autopsy. it is Gen VI. Will measure everything tomorrow. It turned perfect all the way apart. Could not tell the bearing was spun until the crank was removed.
Headed to the lake. More later.

[Mrs.Racer277]

His engine is in good hands now. :) :) :)

[C-2]

Me and Obnoxious1 are about to do a similar build. A 496, trying to squeeze out 550-600. Should be fun, motor is going in a 210 Hallett doing straight gps 70 with a 454 mag.

[565edge]

Hey info I have a new from teague flywheel for internal balance for the rev.Bought it when I was doing my 22 daytona project.Also have a new bullet cam solid roller for bbc I would like to sell.Let me know if interested.Thanks:Allen

[Infomaniac]

Thanks Edge. I bet he sees your post.
The only thing out of the ordinary I have seen is that there were 2 bypass valves installed in the block. I will block off the filter bypass when I put it back together.
The cooler bypass valve was installed and the cooler ports were blocked off. I have not spoken with the Rev yet but if he is running a cooler then this valve was open and was causing problems.

[Rev. Williams]

OK I gotta get on the road soo....
"Here Rev. You got a broke tooth on your flywheel. You sure you want to use this? Or is this a toothless joke for us Okies?
I thought you'd like that :D I just thought everything in OK has a tooth missing so I broke that one off to fit in :D
As for a new one, let me know what you have.
Now that you have it torn down, can you tell me a bit about what was in it? pistons, crank, rods, cam etc.... Also we'll need to talk about what would be the best intake for this set up. And I really want to have it polished.
I'm off work today so when you get a chance you can call me on my cell I'll PM you that so all my stalkers can't call me when they get drunk :D
Also, will we be able to get a DYNO number or some run time on it before it makes the long trip back out here??
I'll get some of my pics up in a bit.
And Racer277, can I borrower some money then?? :D :D

[Mrs.Racer277]

And Racer277, can I borrower some money then?? :D :D[/QUOTE]
Sorry hun I spent it. :D :rolleyes: :D

[Infomaniac]

Send me that number Rev. You have oval port heads. Maybe someone will speak up and recommend an oval port intake that is better than your Performer RPM.
I'll post more pics tonite.

[Infomaniac]

OK here we go.
The engine arrives in the custom shipping crate. It blends in perfectly with the industrial blocks and cranks in the weld shop.
http://moritzmachine.com/crate.jpg
My man Dave cracking it open.
http://moritzmachine.com/crate2.jpg

[Infomaniac]

Here you go Rev. Oval port Edelbrock heads and standard duty pistons.
http://moritzmachine.com/oval.jpg
http://moritzmachine.com/pistons.jpg

[Infomaniac]

Since not much of the original engine will remain except the heads and block. The first step is to give the block the works. Parts are ordered and will take several days for them to arrive.
This is the way we clean them. Put the block in the oven. It actually shared the oven with a few more blocks and cranks.
http://moritzmachine.com/in oven.jpg
This is what it looks like when it is done. All of the paint and grime falls off in a powder. Much easier to deal with than environmentally unfriendly chemicals.
http://moritzmachine.com/out oven.jpg
The block goes for a ride in the shot abrader. This will make it look brand new when the dust is blown off.
http://moritzmachine.com/shot abrader.jpg
I did not get a pic of it before we doushed it down in the magnaflux machine. This is how it looks after crack checks.
http://moritzmachine.com/clean.jpg

[Blown 472]

Hey info, are you blasting it with shot or just rolling it in it?

[Infomaniac]

The shot is slung around by paddles. Take a look at the bottom of the pic. There are 2 wheels with 4 paddles each.

[Blown 472]

We use kinda the same thing to clean castings, only we have 8, 100 hp motors throwing the shot out.

[Sleek-Jet]

The last machine shop I used that actually cleaned my block used the same process... it came back to me looking brand new... even the water jackets.
IMO it's just about the only way to go... hot tanking is old school... :D

[Blown 472]

INfo, this is going to be a 496? whos crank, rods, and pistons you going to use?

[Infomaniac]

It will have an Eagle 496 competition rotating assembly. 4340 crank and rods J&E SRP pistons.

[Blown 472]

It will have an Eagle 496 competition rotating assembly. 4340 crank and rods J&E SRP pistons.
I have been looking at the eagle stuff, do you have to do anything to the rods or are they a bolt in deal?

[Infomaniac]

I have been looking at the eagle stuff, do you have to do anything to the rods or are they a bolt in deal?
The Eagle stuff requires a little finess. I have found that to get proper marine clearances you might as well get an HX set of bearings. An extra .001 clearance. Sometimes the thrust (end play) needs a little help. The rods are plenty strong but sometimes need the bushed end attended to for proper pin fit. I am comfortable with the strength of the Eagle stuff for blown pump gas deals. There is always a little "get what you pay for" involved.

[BIGAMIST]

How bout a picture of the inside of the crate.........you know, the blue writing :D :D :p

[Rev. Williams]

Biggie, I think it's best that we leave that blue painted note off the boards :D
Info,
I shot you off a PM talking about the budget and also about the intake I'd like.
Check it out and we can talk later.

[Rompn]

*subscribes* :cool:

[Infomaniac]

OK rev I call ya tomorrow.
Here are your main caps having a little taken off. This equipment has been around a while but works great.
http://moritzmachine.com/caps.jpg
This is my man Ed working your caps and getting ready to line hone the main bores. Does not like his picture taken as you can see.
http://moritzmachine.com/line hone.jpg

[Infomaniac]

Found this on your block. You might ask GFR what this is. LOL
http://moritzmachine.com/tag.jpg

[GofastRacer]

I have been looking at the eagle stuff, do you have to do anything to the rods or are they a bolt in deal?
I did a 468 with an Eagle rotating assembly kit from Dyno-Flo and I was impressed, the clearances were right on, crank was straight, rods all checked out for lenght. Only thing that needed attention was the crank end play and the rod and pistons needed to be pin fitted!..

[GofastRacer]

Found this on your block. You might ask GFR what this is. LOL
http://moritzmachine.com/tag.jpg
LMAO!.. :D :D

[Rev. Williams]

Okay I'll bite, what the heck am I looking at ???
Found this on your block. You might ask GFR what this is. LOL
http://moritzmachine.com/tag.jpg

[Sleek-Jet]

Check out the first post on Art's engine rebuilding thread...
http://www2.***boat.com/forums/showthread.php?t=74464

[Rev. Williams]

Okay, I see it now. That was ( I say WAS) the Mercruiser Tag. I guess that bake process took it's toll on it :D :D
Check out the first post on Art's engine rebuilding thread..
http://www2.***boat.com/forums/showthread.php?t=74464

[Rev. Williams]

Update:
I talked with Info and it sounds like everything is ordered (some things are already recieved) and the build up should happen next week!! :D
I went with the Weiand X-cellerator intake, got the heads "freshened-up" New valve springs, roller lifters, cam, crank, rods, pistons, oil pump and maybe some other things. This motor is going to be fun!!! :D
A question I want to throw out there is this: We went with a Comp Cam with a 547 in-exh lift, 230-236 Duration, but this was based on the older stock roller lifters being left in. Now that they will be new and better could we go bigger ?? Is there a gain to be had without giving up reliability? or a workable idle?? Input needed please.
Also, where is that prop calculator at?? I know it was posted a while back, but I couldn't find it.

[Taylorman]

I can't answer your question cause i keep staring at your avatar.

[GofastRacer]

Update:
I talked with Info and it sounds like everything is ordered (some things are already recieved) and the build up should happen next week!! :D
I went with the Weiand X-cellerator intake, got the heads "freshened-up" New valve springs, roller lifters, cam, crank, rods, pistons, oil pump and maybe some other things. This motor is going to be fun!!! :D
A question I want to throw out there is this: We went with a Comp Cam with a 547 in-exh lift, 230-236 Duration, but this was based on the older stock roller lifters being left in. Now that they will be new and better could we go bigger ?? Is there a gain to be had without giving up reliability? or a workable idle?? Input needed please.
Also, where is that prop calculator at?? I know it was posted a while back, but I couldn't find it.
Check your E-Mail!.. :)

[Rev. Williams]

Check your E-Mail!.. :)
I did, and I got nothing :confused: :D
Try Jerry_Williams@Countrywide.com
Thanks

[GofastRacer]

I did, and I got nothing :confused: :D
Try Jerry_Williams@Countrywide.com
Thanks
Ok you should have it now!.. :)

[BIGAMIST]

Info.....................is it done yet :p :D ????????? Where we at??? Do I need to come out & crack the whip??? :p ...just bustin yo balls.

[Infomaniac]

It's OK I needed to update anyway.
Still waiting on the rotating assembly. They had to order the pistons and will ship everything together. Gotta wait for the good stuff. Soo.....
Cannot bore the block without the pistons, cannot clearance for stroker without the rotating assembly, cannot deck the block to the proper quench without trial fitting the rotating assembly. But we did line hone the mains LOL And cannot cam bearing freeze plug etc without all the machine work done. Gotta balance everything when we get it also.
Valve job is done and can assemble the heads with the new springs.
Today is 2 weeks since it arrived. We are still on schedule for the 3 week estimate except for the camshaft. :mad: :mad:
I have been searching high and low for a cam. Comp sent a cam but not for a Gen VI NO ONE HAS GEN VI CORES !!!! Comp has none and neither does Crane. I was leaning toward a Crane 168731 cam since the Rev. decided on using new lifters. Soo.... the only hang up I see so far is no cam.
Cams anyone ????

[Taylorman]

What about Chris at Stefs that is doing the selecting camshaft thread?

[Rev. Williams]

It's OK I needed to update anyway.
Still waiting on the rotating assembly. They had to order the pistons and will ship everything together. Gotta wait for the good stuff. Soo.....
Cannot bore the block without the pistons, cannot clearance for stroker without the rotating assembly, cannot deck the block to the proper quench without trial fitting the rotating assembly. But we did line hone the mains LOL And cannot cam bearing freeze plug etc without all the machine work done. Gotta balance everything when we get it also.
Valve job is done and can assemble the heads with the new springs.
Today is 2 weeks since it arrived. We are still on schedule for the 3 week estimate except for the camshaft. :mad: :mad:
I have been searching high and low for a cam. Comp sent a cam but not for a Gen VI NO ONE HAS GEN VI CORES !!!! Comp has none and neither does Crane. I was leaning toward a Crane 168731 cam since the Rev. decided on using new lifters. Soo.... the only hang up I see so far is no cam.
Cams anyone ????
Thanks Info !! Don't worry about Bigamist, I think he's just getting sick of me riding in his boat all the time now!! :D :D
I'm still powdercoating a few things and rearranging wires while the motor is out so no rush at all.... And if there is anything I can do to help find you a cam let me know.

[Infomaniac]

What about Chris at Stefs that is doing the selecting camshaft thread?
I've got a call in to Chris.
Thanks

[Beer-30]

Crane 169621? Probably carb only. Looks a little heavier on the .050 #s

[Rev. Williams]

I've got a call in to Chris.
Thanks
Hey Info.... Were you able to get hold of him? Does he have what you need?

[Beer-30]

I am having a craving to view freshly machined metal.

[Infomaniac]

Hey Info.... Were you able to get hold of him? Does he have what you need?
His guy was out of Gen VI cores also :idea: But Chris recommended that I call CP performance etc. They had one in stock but Comp called today and said that they got cores in and will grind us one up Monday. ;) I will post some pics later.

[ROZ]

You still preaching to the choir ? :D

[Infomaniac]

OK Rev here are your heads cleaned blasted surfaced and valves and seats kissed.
http://moritzmachine.com/heads.jpg
My man Mike is doing the head work.
http://moritzmachine.com/mike.jpg

[Infomaniac]

Took out all these shims.
http://moritzmachine.com/shims.jpg
Will replace some of them with these .060 ID spring seats. Will put shims under these when springs are installed.
http://moritzmachine.com/is cups.jpg

[Infomaniac]

Still waiting on the rotating assembly to ship. They were out of cross drilled cranks so we gave them the OK to send everything with standard crank oiling. The fancy pistons were there and all will ship out on Monday. Will get to work hard to finish up when they arrive.

[Rev. Williams]

Still waiting on the rotating assembly to ship. They were out of cross drilled cranks so we gave them the OK to send everything with standard crank oiling. The fancy pistons were there and all will ship out on Monday. Will get to work hard to finish up when they arrive.
Thanks Info,
It all looks really nice. I can't wait to see this baby go back together. I don't know if you have the block painted already, but if not can you paint it a nice bright yellow?? Most of what I have is black and chrome so I think the yellow would look bad ass. Also, I gave the old intake to Bobaloo on the boards, so if you can hold on to the box from the new intake so I can use that to ship it to him that would be cool.
Thanks for the update and I'll be looking soon for the build up pics (as will all the others watching this I'm sure).
Thanks again

[Infomaniac]

Shipped out on Monday arrived on Wed. Nice stuff.
We will get to the block work tomorrow. I will take a few pics.
Just ended another 14 hour day.

[Rev. Williams]

Shipped out on Monday arrived on Wed. Nice stuff.
We will get to the block work tomorrow. I will take a few pics.
Just ended another 14 hour day.
Get some rest !! There's no rush..... Pics Pics Pics :D :D

[Infomaniac]

Yep I've takes some pics and will take more today. Post them tonite.
Block bored, honed and is getting some minor clearance work. Gonna deck the block today to get your perfect quench. Ed balancing right now.
Photo evidence later. :)

[Rev. Williams]

Yep I've taken some pics and will take more today. I'll Post them tonite.
Block bored, honed and is getting some minor clearance work. Gonna deck the block today to get your perfect quench. Ed balancing right now.
Photo evidence later. :)
I can't wait for the pics :D :D

[Infomaniac]

OK Rev. here are some pics. one big post short and sweet. I am way tired. Was a long week for me.
Now that we have the pistons in hand and can get a mic on them. Bore the block on the Rottler within a few .000" of finished dimension.
http://moritzmachine.com/bore.jpg
Then off to the CK 10 for torque plate hone to a perfect .007 piston to cyl clearance.
http://moritzmachine.com/hone.jpg
Now that the pistons will actually fit in the hole. Trial assemble each cyl and see how close this stroker stuff gets.
http://moritzmachine.com/trial.jpg
While were at it gonna see how far down the hole the pistons are. Way too far for optimum quench.
http://moritzmachine.com/trial2.jpg
Gen VI blocks generally clear 4.250" stroke stuff well but just to make sure ... A little mill work.
http://moritzmachine.com/mill.jpg
And a trip on the block master to get you within .002" of zero deck. A .039" Fel Pro gasket will give you a very nice power producing detonation resistant quench.
http://moritzmachine.com/deck.jpg
Everything all balanced up nice for you. A few pics of the process. Minus spinning on the balancer. I will post them later.
http://moritzmachine.com/balance.jpg
http://moritzmachine.com/balance2.jpg

[Rev. Williams]

Thanks for the pics and update Info....
This is looking so nice!!! I can't wait to hear it run !!!

[Infomaniac]

Yep Rev. The guys are finished with their part. Now it's time for them to tell me to hurry up and do my part. LOL
Here is a cart full of stuff. It will soon be a nice engine for your boat.
http://moritzmachine.com/stuff.jpg
Better upload the pics DUH.

[Infomaniac]

For a little credibility. how many machine shops actually do this?
Mic checked against a standard weekly.
http://moritzmachine.com/mic.jpg
Sunnen fixture and dial bore guage with certification attached.
http://moritzmachine.com/sunnen.jpg
Torquemeter with certificaton. This thing is way accurate.
http://moritzmachine.com/torque.jpg

[Infomaniac]

Put this stuff to good use.
I already know what will happen but will demonstrate typical clearances using Eagle stuff. The parts are plenty strong but you gotta check and adjust. There is always a little bit of get what you pay for in everything.
Put in a standard set of Clevite "H" bearings and the rod bearing clearance is not enough.
http://moritzmachine.com/not nuff.jpg
Substitute a set of HX bearings and it gets much better. I always have them send HX bearings when ordering an Eagle kit.
http://moritzmachine.com/nuff.jpg
Both ends needed corrected. Big end easily corrected with bearings. Pin fit corrected with the rod hone machine. My man Ed in action again.
http://moritzmachine.com/pin.jpg

[Infomaniac]

Ring end gap check.
http://moritzmachine.com/gap.jpg
All the necessities needed to get the pistons on the rods, rings on pistons etc.
http://moritzmachine.com/necessities.jpg
More tomorrow. Rotating assembly will be done.

[Speedin' Ian]

Info. this is too cool of you to give us the step by step build-up. I can't tell you how much I have picked up from guys like you and Fiat. That said I have a couple questions for you or Fiat, or any other good builder out there.
First: I notice a lot of you guys talk about the installed height of the piston, or basically where it sits in reference to the deck of the block. Where should the piston be, and why? And how do you adjust that if it is not in the right spot?
Second: I just got my heads back from the shop and we are running somewhere around 260lbs seat presure and 790lbs at .750. Will I have to run special push rods with these big springs? What about the rocker arms, will regular crane roller rockers with a girdle be sufficient?
Lastly: What type of set-up do I need to do those roller lifters before I install them? I definately don't want them to fail.

[Infomaniac]

Well deck height is up to personal preference. I like to give a proper "Quench" or "Squish" clearance when running pump gas. Makes good power and helps with detonation. What is the proper quench? That is up for debate. i like to keep it close to .040" Deck the block and/or head gasket thickness is how you set it.
New roller lifters need to be soaked in clean solvent for a while. Any preservative in the bearings will inhibit oiling until it is gone. Soak them in oil after they have been thoroughly dried is best.
Run a good one piece chrome moly push rod and you will be fine.

[GofastRacer]

Put this stuff to good use.
The parts are plenty strong but you gotta check and adjust. There is always a little bit of get what you pay for in everything.
Both ends needed corrected. Big end easily corrected with bearings. Pin fit corrected with the rod hone machine. My man Ed in action again.
http://moritzmachine.com/pin.jpg
Exactly, nothing is ready to go but I wonder if they leave out the small end on purpose for individual custom fit???, I've had the same deal, the pins would slide in the piston but was way too tight and they wouldn't even pass thru the rods???.. :confused:

[Infomaniac]

Not sure why. Olivers are always perfect no matter what piston/pin I am using. :rolleyes:
Ed mentioned what about the mail order garage guys. How do they get them together. :confused:

[GofastRacer]

Well I guess it's like you say " you get what you pay for", LOL As far as those "garage guys" goes, again "you get what you pay for" LOL I sure as hell wouldn't start one up before I tore it down completely and measure it all up and I bet I find something not up to par!.. :D

[Infomaniac]

Very funny man. !! :)
And I did'nt say that. Ed did. LOL

[GofastRacer]

Very funny man. !! :)
And I did'nt say that. Ed did. LOL
:D :D :D

[Fiat48]

O deck steel rod. .025 down aluminum rod.
Roller lifters fail due to not enough oil and not enough valve spring pressure.
Pushrods.....do .080 wall chrome moly.
And the you get what you pay for deal..yeah....the more I pay for it the more I usually have to do to it to make it fit or work.
The crane stuff ought to work fine. But have had a few of them drop the little side clips for some reason. For that reason I have been doing Millers or Lunati on the rollers. If you have long valves....watch that rocker geometry.

[Fiat48]

Info...do you have a wet mag?

[Infomaniac]

Info...do you have a wet mag?
Sure do man. Every block crank and head gets it. Alum heads get pressure tested.

[Rev. Williams]

http://moritzmachine.com/necessities.jpg
More tomorrow. Rotating assembly will be done.
Should I be worried that there is an empty Rolling Rock next to my Rods and Pistons ??? :D :D :D
Also, What is a "Wet Mag" ?????

[superdave013]

how much was the shipping from CA to Okieville?

[Infomaniac]

Should I be worried that there is an empty Rolling Rock next to my Rods and Pistons ??? :D :D :D
Also, What is a "Wet Mag" ?????
I planted that there hoping to get a response. :) Did it one time also on my engine. No one noticed I guess.
Wet mag is the part is magnetized and then the particles are poured over the part in a solution rather than a dry powder.
I'm shopping for return shipping now. Fed-Ex freight bent him over I think

[superdave013]

I bet an LTL load and having him pick it up at their terminal would be the way to go.

[Dave C]

the "smart" mail order garage guys take them to one of you okies to check and press em.... ;) ;)
I dunno know about other guys but the rods come out of the box and always wait to get checked before assembly..... :devil:
Not sure why. Olivers are always perfect no matter what piston/pin I am using. :rolleyes:
Ed mentioned what about the mail order garage guys. How do they get them together. :confused:
Nice build BTW.
Have you check yellow freight. I shipped a couple of times with them but I wouldn't know if I got bent over or what?!?

[Infomaniac]

It appears I need to stop quoting Ed. LOL :idea: :idea:
I was insulted by that comment too. The Marine Assault Engine Factory (garage) is still there.

[Rev. Williams]

I planted that there hoping to get a response. :) Did it one time also on my engine. No one noticed I guess.
Wet mag is the part is magnetized and then the particles are poured over the part in a solution rather than a dry powder.
I'm shopping for return shipping now. Fed-Ex freight bent him over I think
Oh I was on it !!! I'm staying in contact with my motor through these pics, so anything unusual stands out for me :D :D :D
So the wet mag cleans???
Bent over is not enough, More like A$$ Hammered without a lube or even spit !!!

[CrazyHippy]

So the wet mag cleans???
Wet mag (magnafluxing in general) is for finding cracks. Wet does a better job.
BJH

[Rev. Williams]

Wet mag (magnafluxing in general) is for finding cracks. Wet does a better job.
BJH
Oooooooh!! Magnafluxing I've heard of. Thanks for clearing this up.
These machinist with all their fancy technical talk !! :D :D :D

[78Eliminator]

Info, I've got a block I need to ship to Texas. Who do you usually use to ship your motors? I know you have those plastic pods, but if you are sending something one way, do you crate or what? Any help or suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks
Justin

[Infomaniac]

Justin - I keep the original boxes from new blocks and strap them to a pallet. The complete engines go in the shipping containers. Get quotes from LTL carriers or find a freight broker for the best deal.
Info, I've got a block I need to ship to Texas. Who do you usually use to ship your motors? I know you have those plastic pods, but if you are sending something one way, do you crate or what? Any help or suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks
Justin

[Infomaniac]

Main bearing clearance was a lttle different. We had control of the bore size and left it at the large end of tolerence. To get this clearance I used a bearing half from a "HX" set and a half from a "H" set.
http://moritzmachine.com/mains.jpg
One crank installed and a pipe plug in place of the filter bypass.
http://moritzmachine.com/crank in.jpg
Perfect zero deck.
http://moritzmachine.com/zero.jpg
And slugs installed. This will be a very nice engine.
http://moritzmachine.com/slugs in.jpg
I did get one head installed but the picture was nasty. Tomorrow cam degree other head and valve train for sure. Maybe some sheet metal and paint

[396_WAYS_TO_SPIT]

Hey info, why did you plug the bypass?? That engine is looking sweet;) I remember when I was at that point about 2 weeks ago;)
396

[steelcomp]

I planted that there hoping to get a response. :) Did it one time also on my engine. No one noticed I guess.
Wet mag is the part is magnetized and then the particles are poured over the part in a solution rather than a dry powder.
I'm shopping for return shipping now. Fed-Ex freight bent him over I think
I saw the Rolling Rock...didn't think much of that untill I noticed the hammer...then I had to LOL.
I'm onta ya. :D :D

[GofastRacer]

why did you plug the bypass??
"Elementerary my dear Watson" it's so all the oil goes thru the filter!.. :D

[steelcomp]

"Elementerary my dear Watson" it's so all the oil goes thru the filter!.. :DWhy, simply brilliant, Mr. Racer! :D

[GofastRacer]

Why, simply brilliant, Mr. Racer! :D
:D :D :D

[396_WAYS_TO_SPIT]

smartasses........... :D :D :D
396

[Rev. Williams]

smartasses........... :D :D :D
396
Are you guys trying to highjack my thread ?? :D :D
No how about some guesses on HP from this motor Info is doing for me? Closest gets a free 12 pack or Bottle of Goose :D

[sanger rat]

First guess, 550 hp 595 tq

[GofastRacer]

smartasses........... :D :D :D
396
Yes indeed I am, I knew you'd like that one!.. :D :D

[396_WAYS_TO_SPIT]

Yes indeed I am, I knew you'd like that one!.. :D :D
LOL, you kill me art. I got the motor to run better. My timming was a tad off. I still have fuel fumes vaporing from the front 2 vent tubes. Its not too bad but visible. When I give it throttle I get a few drips of fuel that come out but not too much. Whatcha think?
396(michael)

[396_WAYS_TO_SPIT]

Are you guys trying to highjack my thread ?? :D :D
No how about some guesses on HP from this motor Info is doing for me? Closest gets a free 12 pack or Bottle of Goose :D
My bad rev;) um um um lemme see. 535hp, 565tq
now send that damn bottle of goose to mesa;);)
396

[GofastRacer]

LOL, you kill me art. I got the motor to run better. My timming was a tad off. I still have fuel fumes vaporing from the front 2 vent tubes. Its not too bad but visible. When I give it throttle I get a few drips of fuel that come out but not too much. Whatcha think?
396(michael)
You still have carb issues, bring it over sometime!.. :)
Back on topic, wild guess 600hp!..

[steelcomp]

Are you guys trying to highjack my thread ?? :D :D
No how about some guesses on HP from this motor Info is doing for me? Closest gets a free 12 pack or Bottle of Goose :D
No, but I'd like to hijack your avatar!!
HP/Q guess later. :D

[JetBoatRich]

Are you guys trying to highjack my thread ?? :D :D
No how about some guesses on HP from this motor Info is doing for me? Closest gets a free 12 pack or Bottle of Goose :D
Guess :idea: 489 HP

[Carnivalride]

Are you guys trying to highjack my thread ?? :D :D
No how about some guesses on HP from this motor Info is doing for me? Closest gets a free 12 pack or Bottle of Goose :D
What cam did you end up with? Give us a little more info and I'll take a stab at it. :messedup: :messedup:

[Infomaniac]

No how about some guesses on HP from this motor Info is doing for me? Closest gets a free 12 pack or Bottle of Goose :D
You gonna dyno this thing?

[mrgoslow]

No, but I'd like to hijack your avatar!!
HP/Q guess later. :D
got that right. its hard to read the posts!

[Wally_Gator]

Just thought I would throw in my guess...
The cam was originally gonna be a Crane 168731
But I see that it was changed to a Comp Cam..
Here are the guesses so far..
sangerrat 550 hp 595 tq
396_WAYS_TO_SPIT 535hp, 565tq
GofastRacer 600hp
JetBoatRich 489 HP
Wally_Gator 635 hp

[Rev. Williams]

You gonna dyno this thing?
I'm trying to find a place to do it and that also can toss it back in my boat. Taking it out wasn't bad, but dropping it back in and doing all the drive alignments and service is more then I can do.
If I can't get it on a Dyno for the "Official" number I'll do the mathmatical route and take my speed, prop size, rpm and such and figure out what I have. Closest will win :D :D
I like Wally_Gators guess :D JBR, you've been in the desert heat to long !!! :D
I just talked with Maveric Marine and I have an appointment for 7/30, I can ship it to them to drop it in and do all my drive service. Now hopefully I'll have the motor back in time.
Now I'm just waiting on 2 dyno shops to call me back on prices.

[Taylorman]

I'm trying to find a place to do it and that also can toss it back in my boat. Taking it out wasn't bad, but dropping it back in and doing all the drive alignments and service is more then I can do.
If I can't get it on a Dyno for the "Official" number I'll do the mathmatical route and take my speed, prop size, rpm and such and figure out what I have. Closest will win :D :D
I like Wally_Gators guess :D JBR, you've been in the desert heat to long !!! :D
I just talked with Maveric Marine and I have an appointment for 7/30, I can ship it to them to drop it in and do all my drive service. Now hopefully I'll have the motor back in time.
Now I'm just waiting on 2 dyno shops to call me back on prices.
Ron can dyno it for you.

[Infomaniac]

I'm trying to find a place to do it and that also can toss it back in my boat. Taking it out wasn't bad, but dropping it back in and doing all the drive alignments and service is more then I can do.
If I can't get it on a Dyno for the "Official" number I'll do the mathmatical route and take my speed, prop size, rpm and such and figure out what I have. Closest will win :D :D
I like Wally_Gators guess :D JBR, you've been in the desert heat to long !!! :D
I just talked with Maveric Marine and I have an appointment for 7/30, I can ship it to them to drop it in and do all my drive service. Now hopefully I'll have the motor back in time.
Now I'm just waiting on 2 dyno shops to call me back on prices.
Sat appointment? You will have it by then. Let me know how much they want to dyno the thing. $600.00 here.

[Rev. Williams]

Sat appointment? You will have it by then. Let me know how much they want to dyno the thing. $600.00 here.
Thanks Info !! This is all working out great :D
One Dyno shop just called me back and it was $500 for the first hour and $100 for each additional. :( So I'm thinking no DYNOing :(
It really doesn't matter that much to me anyways since I know it will be waaaaaay better then what I had and I was pretty happy then. So I'll save the cash, use it on a bimini, and do the math once I have a top speed.
This sucks being poor :( Anyone have some tips for winning the lottery or hitting it big in Vegas ??? :D

[Infomaniac]

Thanks Info !! This is all working out great :D
One Dyno shop just called me back and it was $500 for the first hour and $100 for each additional. :( So I'm thinking no DYNOing :(
It really doesn't matter that much to me anyways since I know it will be waaaaaay better then what I had and I was pretty happy then. So I'll save the cash, use it on a bimini, and do the math once I have a top speed.
This sucks being poor :( Anyone have some tips for winning the lottery or hitting it big in Vegas ??? :D
I'm gonna try and get it done and started up on my little roll around stand by Fri evening. Retorque etc before setting it in the crate Mon morning.

[Liberator TJ1984]

What the heck ....575 HP :confused:

[Rev. Williams]

Here is the run down of what I know is going in this.
It should help to give a better HP guess. Keep in mind
INFO is an amazing engine builder so that last “Part” I listed
could amount to a bunch !!!
It was a 454- now kicked up to a 496 with a
Eagle 496 competition rotating assembly.
Parts include:
96 Gen IV Block
4340 crank and rods J&E SRP pistons with a 5cc dome
Weiand X-cellerator intake
Edelbrock RPM 110cc Heads w/new springs, guides and valves freshened up
Crane Roller Rockers
(Brand Name?) Roller Lifters
Comp Cam with >550 lift I think. Not positive what the final was on this.
Holley 850 carb
MSD Pro Billet Distributor and Ignition
And all the custom “Tricks of the trade” stuff Info puts into the buildup :D
Guess list:
sangerrat 550 hp
396_WAYS_TO_SPIT 535hp
GofastRacer 600hp
JetBoatRich 489 hP
Wally_Gator 635 hp
Liberator TJ1984 575 hp
Since I won't be able to calculate the torque, I've taken it out of the guesses.

[Infomaniac]

Comp Cams 01-451-8
XM284HR-12
Edelbrock 6045 cyl heads
Genuine Morel hyd roller lifters.
Infomaniac magic dust
Can I get in on this? LOL Maybe I will run some DTD numbers tonite if I do not work too late.

[Rev. Williams]

Comp Cams 01-451-8
XM284HR-12
Edelbrock 6045 cyl heads
Genuine Morel hyd roller lifters.
Infomaniac magic dust
Can I get in on this? LOL Maybe I will run some DTD numbers tonite if I do not work too late.
Thanks Info !! And no, you can't play :D :D You're already getting a gift for doing this !!
Besides, you're the only one who knows how much of that "Magic Dust" goes in and that's insider info!! :D :D

[Infomaniac]

One brand new comp hydraulic roller Extreme Marine cam goin in. Some cam lube on the distributor drive gear and engine assembly lube on the bearing journals.
http://moritzmachine.com/comp.jpg
I like these OEM GM Gen VI timing sets. They come with all new bolts, new retainig plate and bolts and a really nice chain.
http://moritzmachine.com/timing.jpg
Degree in the cam. This one right on the money.
http://moritzmachine.com/degree.jpg
Checked the new balancer against the timing mark while the degree wheel was still set up also. Need perfect ignition timing when pushing the limit of compression and pump gas. Sorry picture sucked.
Running the valves now the other head is installed. I have a system I have developed with nearly every step building an engine. And follow it every time without exception. This step I put everything on EXCEPT the poly locks. I bring #1 to a specific point and chase every cylinder around the firing order adjusting the valves. I leave the poly locks off to remind myself that each one of them have been adjusted. If it is not there, it has not been set. Taught myself this after having to crawl under a twin engine boat and take an impossible valve cover off to set the last lifter (#2) that I forgot to set. Duh !! At least I had put the poly lock on it was just not tight.
http://moritzmachine.com/train.jpg

[Infomaniac]

The flash on this camera shows every finger print, unpainted floors and engine stands LOL

[GofastRacer]

It appears I need to stop quoting Ed. LOL :idea: :idea:
I was insulted by that comment too. The Marine Assault Engine Factory (garage) is still there.
I thought you graduated out of the "garage" and moved into the new "shop"!.. :) :D
BTW, shit looks good!.. :cool: :cool:

[steelcomp]

The flash on this camera shows every finger print, unpainted floors and engine stands LOL
Hey, don't worry about the cosmetics...it's an engine shop. ;)
My guess...I think Michael's right in there at 535, but since I can't guess the same number, I'll see his 535 and raiase him 5, for a guess of 540...final answer.

[GofastRacer]

This sucks being poor :( Anyone have some tips for winning the lottery or hitting it big in Vegas ??? :D
Shit if I had your money I'd throw mine away, LMAO!.. :rolleyes: :D

[Beer-30]

Pretty stands and floors don't make any more horsepower than old nasty ones.

[Rev. Williams]

I love this pic!
Now I wish I had the heads polished :( But imagine how bad the finger prints would look on that !! :eek: :D
http://moritzmachine.com/train.jpg

[Wally_Gator]

Info...
I love your posts on engine builds..
Fire this thing yet?

[Taylorman]

So you have your employee's do the machining and you assemble and check all the measurements?

[Infomaniac]

So you have your employee's do the machining and you assemble and check all the measurements?
Yep no different than I did it at the Marine Assault Engine Factory. Had the machine work done here. Same folks.

[Taylorman]

Congrats on the trident motor. I read the newsletter today. Big acomplishment on that motor. Man the torque curve on that motor is unreal.

[Mrs.Racer277]

Looking Great Info. And Happy B-day. :)

[steelcomp]

Looking Great Info. And Happy B-day. :)
Hey hey!! Lookey there...it IS the ol' boy's birthday and he's all of 43!!
Happy Birthday Info!!

[Infomaniac]

Well got it done. Sounds great. Still at the shop give me a few hours to eat get home and post pics and video.
Another 13.5 hour day. Nothing unusual. LOL

[Blown 472]

Well got it done. Sounds great. Still at the shop give me a few hours to eat get home and post pics and video.
Another 13.5 hour day. Nothing unusual. LOL
But the beauty is, 13.5 hours at your own gig. ;)

[Infomaniac]

OK I'm tired and am going to fast fwd to the end. I'll fill in the blanks later.
The Rev would like to dyno the engine but we all have a budget to work within so I said I would run it for him.
The next best thing is to just run it, get it up to temp and retorque everything. We will build a run stand one of these days when we are not complettely burried with work. Until then . . . . ..
The Rev's engine (http://moritzmachine.com/rev.WMV)

[INEEDAV]

OK I'm tired and am going to fast fwd to the end. I'll fill in the blanks later.
The Rev would like to dyno the engine but we all have a budget to work within so I said I would run it for him.
The next best thing is to just run it, get it up to temp and retorque everything. We will build a run stand one of these days when we are not complettely burried with work. Until then . . . . ..
The Rev's engine (http://moritzmachine.com/rev.WMV)
Its always a pleasure to watch your work Ron. Thanks for taking the time to do these posts.
Billy

[BIGAMIST]

Nice job Info :D :coffeycup

[Infomaniac]

Thanks everyone.
Had to borrow an HEI ignition from a 383 street rod project so I could not run your MSD. I will stab it for you but you will need to get your engine installer to time it for you. I would have liked to do that but did not have an MSD box that would plug into your distributor.

[Mrs.Racer277]

Wow. Great Job Info. And Congrats Rev. Can't wait to WE get to take it to the lake. ;) :D

[Rev. Williams]

It's incredible!! and sounds bad a$$ !!!
Thanks for everything.

[396_WAYS_TO_SPIT]

Nice work info;) So why the zoomies?? I wanted to run zoomies on my new motor but everyone said that it will hurt my performance if I'm not blown. That motor sounds bitchin with those zoomies;)
396

[Infomaniac]

Nice work info;) So why the zoomies?? I wanted to run zoomies on my new motor but everyone said that it will hurt my performance if I'm not blown. That motor sounds bitchin with those zoomies;)
396
Zoomies are there just to start it up man. Just like the garden hose LOL
We dont run engines at all. I have run them on a storage stand before. Best I could do not going to the dyno. Got her done though LOL
Gotta have balls (or something) to post something as unprofessional looking as that.

[Mrs.Racer277]

Zoomies are there just to start it up man. Just like the garden hose LOL
We dont run engines at all. I have run them on a storage stand before. Best I could do not going to the dyno. Got her done though LOL
Gotta have balls (or something) to post something as unprofessional looking as that.
Don't worry Info never noticed those hoses. :rolleyes: :wink: :wink:

[Infomaniac]

One crate motor coming your way Rev. We added a little more art to the crate for you.
I cannot find my camera :cry: :cry: I think I left it my Ultra's glove box this weekend.
I felt sorry for you and put a new starter ring gear on your flywheel. No longer toothless LOL

[Infomaniac]

how much was the shipping from CA to Okieville?
$215.00 one way if you pick it up or drop it off at the terminal LAX area.

[superdave013]

$215.00 one way if you pick it up or drop it off at the terminal LAX area.
Not to bad

[Liberator TJ1984]

Ron,
Heres a few of the Midnight Boat Wurks guy's run in stand :cool: But you Okies will probably come up with something better :hammerhea
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/509/913new_motor_with_zoomies.JPG
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/506/215DSC01380.JPG
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/506/215DSC01381.JPG

[Infomaniac]

Thats cool man. Is the sweetie the operator?
It looks like it gets the job done.

[Beer-30]

Those alum rockers fit under the stock covers? I am sure the drippers are ground out, but I didn't think AL rollers would fit. Thought you had to go the stainless ones that look like roller-tip replacements. ? Did you put spacers on?

[Infomaniac]

They were already there. Someone ground down the drip oilers and clearanced 2 of them to clear the valve cover bolt boss.

[Beer-30]

Ah ha. Thanks.

[BIGAMIST]

The Rev's motor will be picked up today from LAX :coffeycup

[CrazyHippy]

I felt sorry for you and put a new starter ring gear on your flywheel. No longer toothless LOL
Did you stuff it full of silicone so it would fit in in so-cal? :2purples: :crossx:
BJH

[Squirtin Thunder]

OK I'm tired and am going to fast fwd to the end. I'll fill in the blanks later.
The Rev would like to dyno the engine but we all have a budget to work within so I said I would run it for him.
The next best thing is to just run it, get it up to temp and retorque everything. We will build a run stand one of these days when we are not complettely burried with work. Until then . . . . ..
The Rev's engine (http://moritzmachine.com/rev.WMV)
What do you feel the powers is ???

[BIGAMIST]

Info.........you're in the wrong business brotha :D this guy is a F'n artist :D :p We'll get some pics up.
Thanks for the new ash-tray :D that thing is bitchin :wink:

[TJS]

I have been following this build up. Very informative. I am in the process of building my 454 for my Nordic project. I gotta say, yes you are crazy with a run in stand like that. I made one about two years ago. It is on my main page of my site. It will run a small block and a big block chevy. I am also going to make it so I can do Fords as well.
T.J.
www.tjsperformance.com

[Infomaniac]

Info.........you're in the wrong business brotha :D this guy is a F'n artist :D :p We'll get some pics up.
Thanks for the new ash-tray :D that thing is bitchin :wink:
Shhhh. . . . Don't say that too loud. Tony might hear it.
Tony did the art work. He is my CNC machinist. He makes all those bad ass Top Fuel funny car flywheels with Moritz on them. He does cartoons for a few magazines.
Hope you enjoyed them.

[GofastRacer]

I have been following this build up. Very informative. I am in the process of building my 454 for my Nordic project. I gotta say, yes you are crazy with a run in stand like that. I made one about two years ago. It is on my main page of my site. It will run a small block and a big block chevy. I am also going to make it so I can do Fords as well.
T.J.
www.tjsperformance.com
I kinda like this one, when I'm done I can hang it on the wall out of the way!.. ;)
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/21Image4_Small.jpg

[steelcomp]

I kinda like this one, when I'm done I can hang it on the wall out of the way!.. ;)
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/21Image4_Small.jpg
Hey, you need to water that lawn!! Geesh! :D

[Norseman]

OK I'm tired and am going to fast fwd to the end. I'll fill in the blanks later.
The Rev would like to dyno the engine but we all have a budget to work within so I said I would run it for him.
The next best thing is to just run it, get it up to temp and retorque everything. We will build a run stand one of these days when we are not complettely burried with work. Until then . . . . ..
The Rev's engine (http://moritzmachine.com/rev.WMV)
Info;
Did you ever have one roll out of the shop on you???? :D :D
Great job, thanks for sharing the build up!!!! :D
Bob

[GofastRacer]

Hey, you need to water that lawn!! Geesh! :D
What lawn, them's called ****** weeds, LMAO!.. :D :D

[Liberator TJ1984]

I wouldn't be very comfortable with my family "Staff and Jewels " hangin' that close to a whingin' flywheel :jawdrop: :D

[GofastRacer]

I wouldn't be very comfortable with my family "Staff and Jewels " hangin' that close to a whingin' flywheel :jawdrop: :D
I have a bellhousing that goes over the flywheel when I run it, just left it off when I took the pic!.. :D

[Rev. Williams]

Pics are coming soon, but for now here is the update. I got the motor back Thursday afternoon and the yellow block idea I had wasn't the best, so it was painted red (Thanks Bigamist) to match the boat. We cleaned a few other things up, did some glass work in the bildge area and got the boat ready to accept the new motor. As I type this, the motor is being installed at Maverik Marine and should be ready soon. Once I get it back I need to hook up all the accessories and get it running. Then it goes back to Maverik for a full drive service and alignment.

[BigDoug]

Jerry, why in world did you entertain the thought of painting your engine yellow in the first place ? :hammerhea im glad you had the midget go with red instead :wink:

[BIGAMIST]

Jerry, why in world did you entertain the thought of painting your engine yellow in the first place ? :hammerhea im glad you had the midget go with red instead :wink:
Doug.....the paint didn't come from your dick, (the midget).......spray can :idea: :idea: .
Now don't F this thread up :boxed:

[BigDoug]

Jeff, you crack me up !! :eek: are you going to CBBB ?

[Rev. Williams]

Update !!!!!
As you know we painted up the crate to bring Info some of the California feel, well he fired back to give us some Oklahoma "Feel"
http://www2.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/124IMG_2243.JPG
http://www2.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/124IMG_2244.JPG
http://www2.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/124IMG_2241.JPG

[Racer277]

:D :D :D

[Rev. Williams]

Originally I had asked Info to paint the block yellow, but it just didn't look right when I go it back so I pulled out the red rattle can (actually Bigamist did) and changed the color to a deep clean red.
http://www2.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/124IMG_2253.JPG
After the painting was done the motor was ready to go back in the boat. So we loaded it into Biggies truck and got it over to Maveric Marine to be dropped in...
http://www2.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/124IMG_2256.JPG
http://www2.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/124IMG_2259.JPG
http://www2.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/124IMG_2260.JPG
Now finally back in the boat!!!
http://www2.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/124IMG_2263.JPG

[Rev. Williams]

As of last night everything is hooked up and ready to go... I just have a few things to wire up better then do some zip tie rigging :D If all goes well, I could fire it up tonight !!!
Speaking of fire, I had asked Info to send me back one of my old piston so I could make an ashtray for Bigamist.... Well he sent it, AND DAMN WAS IT BIG !!!!
http://www2.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/124IMG_2246.JPG
And now a Biggie Thank You !!!
http://www2.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/124IMG_2250.JPG

[Infomaniac]

You are quite welcome Biga-finger-mist
You did notice all the markings that there IS NO OIL IN THE ENGINE Huh?

[BIGAMIST]

You are quite welcome Biga-finger-mist
You did notice all the markings that there IS NO OIL IN THE ENGINE Huh?
Thanks Info :D ........I'll let the Rev get to the ramp then I'll remind him it's got no oil in it :p :p

[Rev. Williams]

You are quite welcome Biga-finger-mist
You did notice all the markings that there IS NO OIL IN THE ENGINE Huh?
Oil ???? It's a brand new motor, I thought the oil was just for the old ones when they get all squeeky ??? :D :D
Info, If I were to stick oil in it :D :D what kinda did you recommend????

[Norseman]

Oil ???? It's a brand new motor, I thought the oil was just for the old ones when they get all squeeky ??? :D :D
Info, If I were to stick oil in it :D :D what kinda did you recommend????
Don't use Suntan oil!! :D

[Infomaniac]

I run Castrol GTX 20W50 in everything.
After it is broke in a bottle of Prolong.

[C-2]

Hey Rev,
How is that steering around docks and such? I'm gonna add steering, assist only, but people are scaring me away from twin rams ~ saying it might be too stiff?
Great artwork BTW....

[Rev. Williams]

Hey Rev,
How is that steering around docks and such? I'm gonna add steering, assist only, but people are scaring me away from twin rams ~ saying it might be too stiff?
Great artwork BTW....
The steering is smooth as silk and no where close to stiff.

[Rev. Williams]

Well she's running !!! I guess we hooked everything up right and she fired right up.... well not right up (we had to mess with the timing for a bit) but now she is sounding good.
It's sad that it sounds nothing like what it did with the Zoomies on it :( but it still runs strong.
Hey Info, if I send you a video file of it, you think you could get it to work in a post???

[Infomaniac]

Well she's running !!! I guess we hooked everything up right and she fired right up.... well not right up (we had to mess with the timing for a bit) but now she is sounding good.
It's sad that it sounds nothing like what it did with the Zoomies on it :( but it still runs strong.
Hey Info, if I send you a video file of it, you think you could get it to work in a post???
I'll send you the zoomies. LOL
Send me the video Infomaniac@cox.net

[Just Electric]

wow geoff no thanx or nuttin huh lol oh and no beer either

[Rev. Williams]

wow geoff no thanx or nuttin huh lol oh and no beer either
I said WE !!! You attention whores!!
I guess we hooked everything up right and she fired right up.... well not right up (we had to mess
Besides, the final thank you's don't go out until the boat has been in the water and tested at speed a few times. How can I know when you put that header on the left side that its on good??? If it leaks after a run or two I'm saying Thanks Jack-A$$ not Thank you!!! :D :D
I'll try to get the file to you tonight Info.

[Mrs.Racer277]

As of last night everything is hooked up and ready to go... I just have a few things to wire up better then do some zip tie rigging :D If all goes well, I could fire it up tonight !!!
Speaking of fire, I had asked Info to send me back one of my old piston so I could make an ashtray for Bigamist.... Well he sent it, AND DAMN WAS IT BIG !!!!
http://www2.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/124IMG_2246.JPG
And now a Biggie Thank You !!!
http://www2.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/124IMG_2250.JPG
Biggie you are very photogenic (sp). :D That is a great pic. Love the ashtray! :D

[Beer-30]

Any update? How's it run? Reprop?

[Beer-30]

Bump

[supersoaker509]

How's it running :D
Free bump

[BIGAMIST]

The last thing he said to me was.................I'm making Hot Chocolate Lattes over here!!! DAMN !
.

[Infomaniac]

Trying to work out a suspected fuel delivery issue. Not enough volume.
Has the stock mechanical pump on it. Mounted to the sea water pump. Along with the water sep, filters etc.

[Rev. Williams]

Sorry about that...... Didn't know this thread was back up.
Well all I can say is....THIS MOTOR SUCKS!! What a waste of money!!
Just Kidding :D :D
It's all good, but like Info said, I have (hopefully!) a fuel delivery problem. I'm only able to run the motor up to 5K with my 26p prop. It runs strong getting to 5K, but it's still only getting me to around 80mph. The old motor did the same thing, so maybe it was hurting for fuel then as well.
The Merc set up for Gen 6 blocks has a cam lobe for the fuel pump in an all in one unit that turns off the crank/belt within the water impeller. I pulled that mechanical pump out and purchased a Holley Red Electric with 7psi contant to help things out. I'm in the process of fabricating some type of mounting bracket for the new pump, then I can wire it up. If this does't fix it, I'll just have to make a road trip with the boat to Info's house and we can work on it! :D Right Info ?? :D

[NashvilleBound]

http://www2.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/124IMG_2250.JPG
I havent seen this guy for about 4 years...since Piru and the Christmas and New Years Party..........still just as ugly;)

[BIGAMIST]

I havent seen this guy for about 4 years...since Piru and the Christmas and New Years Party..........still just as ugly;)
Thanks Jeff :D :D
How you been?

[Mrs.Racer277]

Thanks Jeff :D :D
How you been?
Love the new avitar!!!

[NashvilleBound]

Thanks Jeff :D :D
How you been?
LOl....all good on my end....miss the gathering is CA is about my only regret of moving.... how about you?

[Rev. Williams]

Well the new fuel pump is in and she runs good in the driveway :D RPMs do come up faster (I think ) but hard to tell on the trailer. I'm hoping I can take it out this Wednesday to test it.
On a side note, when we ran it I noticed the impeller case had a pinhole leak, so that came off and I'm getting a new one today. Frikin boats!! allways something!!

[SoCal_fun]

Hey Jer, where you gonna run it at??

[Infomaniac]

Well the new fuel pump is in and she runs good in the driveway :D RPMs do come up faster (I think ) but hard to tell on the trailer. I'm hoping I can take it out this Wednesday to test it.
On a side note, when we ran it I noticed the impeller case had a pinhole leak, so that came off and I'm getting a new one today. Frikin boats!! allways something!!
Dude check your float levels with the engine off and the fuel pump running. Bypass your filter/water sep arrangement if it does not run any better. Take enough plumbing to bypass it temp for troublesuooting. And listen for a rev limiter if still running Merc ignition stuff.

[Rev. Williams]

Hey Jer, where you gonna run it at??
I'm just going to run up to Castaic in the AM....
Since I'm still chasing down my sponson leak I can only be on the water for a short period of time before it wants to sink :eek: :D
Once I have this fuel issue resolved it's off to Abstract Fiberglass to have the hull looked at.
Info,
When I ran it yesterday it showed a click over 7psi on the fuel gauge (at the carb) through the full rpm range! You think I still need to by-pass both of my fuel/water seperators?

[Infomaniac]

You have a volume problem and not a pressure problem. Those seperators might be restricting your volume.
Try it with the new pump first. If no better then try bypassing them. But make sure your float levels are good regardless. Easy to do with an electric pump. Dont have to start the engine.
Did you ever make for sure your timing was correct? Checked at 3,500 RPM or so? TOTAL TIMING.

[Rev. Williams]

You have a volume problem and not a pressure problem. Those seperators might be restricting your volume.
Try it with the new pump first. If no better then try bypassing them. But make sure your float levels are good regardless. Easy to do with an electric pump. Dont have to start the engine.
I'll check the float levels tonight after I put the new Impeller on. :D
What if I pull the line at the carb and let it run for say 10 seconds, measure what I get then X's that by 6 to get a per minute volume?? Is there a chart or something that says what I should be flowing ??? Then if that's good I would know the carb is restricting it. ???

[Infomaniac]

You will need about 1/2 pound of fuel per HP per hour. Fuel weighs approx 6 lbs per gallon. rough guess of 600 Hp. That should be some simple calculatin for ya.

[Infomaniac]

My "general" rule for fuel pumps is 10 gallons per hour per 100 HP. This is plenty for any unrestricted fuel system.

[AltarGirl]

Love the new avitar!!!
Ain't she pretty? :)

[Squirtin Thunder]

My "general" rule for fuel pumps is 10 gallons per hour per 100 HP. This is plenty for any unrestricted fuel system.
So basically you are saying 600hp needs a 60gph fuel pump, and if you have a 110gph pump you should be 110% safe on fuel delivery if everything else is right, right ???

[Infomaniac]

Yes as long as the pump and fuel system will flow that at the operating pressure. Make sure the pump is not rated in free flow only.

[Squirtin Thunder]

Yes as long as the pump and fuel system will flow that at the operating pressure. Make sure the pump is not rated in free flow only.
Now that is the trick !!!

[Rev. Williams]

You will need about 1/2 pound of fuel per HP per hour. Fuel weighs approx 6 lbs per gallon. rough guess of 600 Hp. That should be some simple calculatin for ya.
No problem!! I'z be edjubakated real good like :D :D
So everything is back together and running great. No leaks from the new impeller set-up and the fuel is all good. I checked both bowls and they were perfect. So it will be test day Wednesday!! I'll bring lines and connectors to by-pass both fuel/water seperators if need be and we'll see if I can get past 5000K I also checked the MSD box and it has a 7000 chip in it.
I have a new video camera, so I'll try to get some video for ya also!!

[SoCal_fun]

No problem!! I'z be edjubakated real good like :D :D
So everything is back together and running great. No leaks from the new impeller set-up and the fuel is all good. I checked both bowls and they were perfect. So it will be test day Wednesday!! I'll bring lines and connectors to by-pass both fuel/water seperators if need be and we'll see if I can get past 5000K I also checked the MSD box and it has a 7000 chip in it.
I have a new video camera, so I'll try to get some video for ya also!!
Don't forget the extra $$$ to buy off the Lake Patrol for an hour or so.. LOL!! :rolleyes:

[Rev. Williams]

Don't forget the extra $$$ to buy off the Lake Patrol for an hour or so.. LOL!! :rolleyes:
I'm hoping the mid-week patrol will be minimal !! This harsh winter should keep most away from the lake too :D :D :D

[Rev. Williams]

By-passed everything, had 6psi at the carb running @ 5200 rpms. Only ran 76.4 on 3 passes.
Something aint right!!!! :cry:

[Infomaniac]

Jerry,
Time to start at the fuel tank and look over every piece of plumbing. I have seen it tons of times. Something in the boat limits the fuel flow and the engine will only produce a limited amount of power.
Anti siphon valve in the tank sometimes does this. Too small of an outlet fitting. Very small "T"'s in the system etc.
Just because you are not loosing pressure does not mean the system is not restrictive.
Making a boat run is having the correct combination of many things. How well the hull works, Drive placement, Prop/engine combination. Tune up is correct etc.
I am curious about the water leak also. Is there water under the bow that you might not be aware of?

[Rev. Williams]

Jerry,
Time to start at the fuel tank and look over every piece of plumbing. I have seen it tons of times. Something in the boat limits the fuel flow and the engine will only produce a limited amount of power.
Anti siphon valve in the tank sometimes does this. Too small of an outlet fitting. Very small "T"'s in the system etc.
Just because you are not loosing pressure does not mean the system is not restrictive.
Making a boat run is having the correct combination of many things. How well the hull works, Drive placement, Prop/engine combination. Tune up is correct etc.
I am curious about the water leak also. Is there water under the bow that you might not be aware of?
Okay, the next test is going to be with a fuel can, the new pump and that's it!. I'm going to by-pass EVERYTHING related to my old fuel system (both water seperators, elbows, hoses..everything) It will be just motor and straight fuel. I'm even going to replace the fuel line at the carb just to be sure. I've already taken all the electrical out of the picture so this should do it.
Stay tuned for results. Maybe this weekend.

[Infomaniac]

That's interesting. What size fuel line are you going to use? See if you can get some 110 float needle seats while you are at it.

[Rev. Williams]

That's interesting. What size fuel line are you going to use? See if you can get some 110 float needle seats while you are at it.
You like that :D
I figure this is better then chasing things all around the boat.
I'm just going to keep it simple. I'll make it flow like we discussed earlier in this thread and I'll be able to say 100% that there is not a flow issues. I'm also going to look at the jets.

[Infomaniac]

Make sure you have 36 - 38 degrees of TOTAL timing. And at least 91 octane gas. Your compression is up there to 9.8:1

[SoCal_fun]

So whats up with this deal?? Any news there Rev??

[BIGAMIST]

So whats up with this deal?? Any news there Rev??
He never took it to the lake :rolleyes:
I think He'll take it out Sunday if it don't rain.

[SoCal_fun]

Cool! :)

[Rev. Williams]

***** UPDATE **********
Sorry for the delay, its been a busy few months.
So here it is. I've worked the jetting up to 83p and 85sec and the plugs like it so I think thats good, yet it still only runs up to 4800 and slowly to 5400. Top speed is still 74. I even tried a bigger prop 28p and got the same speed but only 4700 rpms. It's runs and sounds great, but lacks any real uuumf !
I also removed the stock water pump and ran a by-pass to cool everything. this set up also allowed me to have one less belt dragging on the crank.
My next thought is removing the Edelbrock RPM heads and trying some AFR's. If anyone is in the trading mode or has a set for cheap..PM me.
Also, the water issue has been resolved. Thanks to Bud down at Havasu Eliminator all if fixed. Turned out to be a rub-rail issue...meaning at one point it was replaced in one section and the old rivot holes were never filled!! So water came right in and into the sponson.

[Rompn]

***** UPDATE **********
Sorry for the delay, its been a busy few months.
So here it is. I've worked the jetting up to 83p and 85sec and the plugs like it so I think thats good, yet it still only runs up to 4800 and slowly to 5400. Top speed is still 74. I even tried a bigger prop 28p and got the same speed but only 4700 rpms. It's runs and sounds great, but lacks any real uuumf !
I also removed the stock water pump and ran a by-pass to cool everything. this set up also allowed me to have one less belt dragging on the crank.
My next thought is removing the Edelbrock RPM heads and trying some AFR's. If anyone is in the trading mode or has a set for cheap..PM me.
Also, the water issue has been resolved. Thanks to Bud down at Havasu Eliminator all if fixed. Turned out to be a rub-rail issue...meaning at one point it was replaced in one section and the old rivot holes were never filled!! So water came right in and into the sponson.
Sounds good. Glad the water issue got fixed. Just keep working on the speed deal. So, I sold my yellow and blue Southwind jet last year that you and Bigamist saw. Getting the itch to go out again now that summer is here so let me know if you need a second hand out on the water anytime.

[Beer-30]

***** UPDATE **********
My next thought is removing the Edelbrock RPM heads and trying some AFR's. If anyone is in the trading mode or has a set for cheap..PM me.
I would really seriously check with INFO on that. I have seen the Edelbrocks build some serious HP. Hell, you engine would scream with stock iron heads on it, so I wouldn't be looking at the heads.
Timing and ignition power? Secondaries not opening? Plenty of fuel pressure at WOT, right?

[Beer-30]

INFO, you really think he's in the 600 hp category? It's a 540, right? I know the GM572 street version has some serious cam and intake, and it's at 620. You built it, so I don't know what parts went into it, porting and whatnot, but I would see think he is more in the 510-520 area.
Maybe he is just expecting more than it has? Just grabbing at straws.

[BIGAMIST]

INFO, you really think he's in the 600 hp category? It's a 540, right? I know the GM572 street version has some serious cam and intake, and it's at 620. You built it, so I don't know what parts went into it, porting and whatnot, but I would see think he is more in the 510-520 area.
Maybe he is just expecting more than it has? Just grabbing at straws.
It's a 496.

[565edge]

Dont know if you checked.What ratio is your outdrive?Maybe you need to get a smaller prop to let that thing rev up.Prop will have alot to do with it.

[Beer-30]

74, 75 mph seems pretty good to me for a hot 496.

[Infomaniac]

It's a 496 with fairly small oval port heads decent hyd roller cam and compression close to 10:1
New heads means new intake manifold.
Where is the "X" dimension set up? If more HP does not give more speed then the boat setup is better money spent than trying to get even more HP

[Carnivalride]

If more HP does not give more speed then the boat setup is better money spent than trying to get even more HP
Man if this isn't about truth! :D :D
Kinda funny everybody wants to talk power first :argue: then when it doesn't do what they wanted/expected they decide to look at the set-up. :idea:

[BIGAMIST]

The boat did not do 74-75...it did 70 just last Friday on a very long run.......I was holdin the GPS.

[BIGAMIST]

Man if this isn't about truth! :D :D
Kinda funny everybody wants to talk power first :argue: then when it doesn't do what they wanted/expected they decide to look at the set-up. :idea:
The boat was faster with his old motor in it (454)........with not so good parts in it.

[Daytona100]

Quit Fning around and put a blower on it. If you want to go fast just add boost. :boxed:

[Speedin' Ian]

Too bad you weren't able to do some dyno time... that would take all the guess work out of it. Could it be an ignition problem? I remember when I put bigger injectors and mass air meter on my blown mustang it ran worst, come to find out it was blowing out the spark in the upper rpm's.

[U.T.B.A.V-Drive man]

It's a 496 with fairly small oval port heads decent hyd roller cam and compression close to 10:1
New heads means new intake manifold.
Where is the "X" dimension set up? If more HP does not give more speed then the boat setup is better money spent than trying to get even more HP
The magic word X dimenstion. god knows I,ve been fighting that. I don't care how much HP you put on, if the drive, and prop isn't right your waisting money and time.

[Carnivalride]

The boat was faster with his old motor in it (454)........with not so good parts in it.
That doesn't sound good. :confused:
Since the engine was "professionally" built I would double check everything I could: fuel pressure, fuel flow, timing (especially total), plug check to see how it was running. Tune it as best you can and see what it does.
A couple of other issues here, 454 vs 496. The 496 will need more airflow, carb and exhaust than the old 454. So what exhaust? is it the same? how restrictive is it? What induction?
There maybe other issues that are not allowing the "new" 496 to perform to its full potential. Being a larger engine with 1/4" more stroke it might need to be loaded harder to, it might make more power at a lower rpm (don't remember details of your build). If your still not happy with it talk to your engine builder and ask for his input but it sounds to me like something is holding it back.
JMO.

[Rev. Williams]

it sounds to me like something is holding it back.
JMO.
Thats what I'm thinking..... I'm not sure just what it is, but something is holding it.
To answer the other questions; It's a Bravo One w/1.50 drive on a 22 Daytona with tunnel tabs. The exhaust is EMI Thumpers 4" and I have a Holley 850 on top of it all. As for the "X" dimension.... That will be hard to describe, but I can say that my drive is about a half inch from the cap and hull line. So I can't go much higher. I can try a IMCO shortie lower, but since that is close to $4K I want to rule out a few things first.
Like Bigamist said, it's actually a bit slower (top speed) then the old set up. It has more torque, but just wont turn the RPM's to get the speed. I've actually run a 24p on it once and that only gave me 64, so I know going that way wont work.
I'm going to try replacing the cheap and easy things first like the MSD box, and Distributor, then maybe the carb, and I might even try another type of intake. After that I'll be looking at heads and cam.
The motor runs perfectly and sounds great. I've actually never heard a motor run sooo smooth, but it just doesnt make power.
I was talking with a few people at Eliminator (when I was there for a week) and even Bob Teague and they've all said if this boat has 500 hp in it, there is no way it shouldnt be doing 90 easy, and more like 100. So it's obvious something has my boat by the balls, and just wont let it go!!
I'm sure I'll figure it out, it's just going to take time.... I'll keep the updates coming and if anyone has suggestions or things I could test out, feel free to post.

[Daytona100]

With 500HP you should be running 90 to 100!!!!!!!!!!!! Man something is wrong with my boat to. I was running around 80 with 600 hp spinning a 28 4 blade. I should be around 110 mph what the Hells going on??????????? :cry:

[Daytona100]

How much for the heads and cam? :)

[BIGAMIST]

How much for the heads and cam? :)
The heads will be goin my way :)

[Rev. Williams]

With 500HP you should be running 90 to 100!!!!!!!!!!!! Man something is wrong with my boat to. I was running around 80 with 600 hp spinning a 28 4 blade. I should be around 110 mph what the Hells going on??????????? :cry:
You have the 25 right?? I think I've seen it at Elsinore....
How many RPM's do you turn the 28p??
Based on a calculator with a 10% slip if you only get 80, you're only turning it 4526 RPMs ???

[Rev. Williams]

The heads will be goin my way :)
Oh really??
Maybe if you help me pull them, I can work out a buy one get one free deal :D
Like buy one for $1,000 and get the other one FREEEEE !! :D

[BIGAMIST]

Oh really??
Maybe if you help me pull them, I can work out a buy one get one free deal :D
Like buy one for $1,000 and get the other one FREEEEE !! :D
If I pull em,that means free.........they only gotta go about 7 feet :rollside:

[Daytona100]

You have the 25 right?? I think I've seen it at Elsinore....
How many RPM's do you turn the 28p??
Based on a calculator with a 10% slip if you only get 80, you're only turning it 4526 RPMs ???
Running the 28 I was spinning about 5300rpm. My speedo only showed 80mph. Water driven speedo.

[565edge]

Get a straight edge and hold it against the bottom tunnel then measure up to your prop shaft while the drive is even with the boat.On My 22 daytona the top of gimble was cut up through the rub rail and also had imco sc with 3" lower.

[Daytona100]

Ill pull em and reinstall the new ones. Lets trade.

[BIGAMIST]

Running the 28 I was spinning about 5300rpm. My speedo only showed 80mph. Water driven speedo.
GPS that thing :boxed:

[Rev. Williams]

Get a straight edge and hold it against the bottom tunnel then measure up to your prop shaft while the drive is even with the boat.On My 22 daytona the top of gimble was cut up through the rub rail and also had imco sc with 3" lower.
No Sh it?? I've seen them to the rail, but never through it... What kind of number should I be looking for from the bottom up to the Prop Shaft?? Without seeing it, I can tell you that I'm close to 0.00
What was yours at? and what type of speeds did you see, Also, with what power??

[Rev. Williams]

Running the 28 I was spinning about 5300rpm. My speedo only showed 80mph. Water driven speedo.
Based on teh above...., your "Theoretical Speed" is 94mph.....
But if you really only get 80 you have a slip% of 15 which is pretty high.
Get a GPS and make sure.

[Daytona100]

I got a new 100 mph speedo. Now I just need to get off my ass and change my cam and take her to the swamp and see how she does. Thanks for the numbers.

[HBjet]

Jerry, sucks your motor isn't making your boat perform the way you wanted...
Are you using this same air cleaner?
http://www2.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/124IMG_2263.JPG
I would try a few runs without it, and at least gut it. I know the ones I used to have on my motor were pretty restrictive.
Also, are the plug wires the same wires you had before the motor build? If so, I would get a new set of wires, or at least test your current set to make sure they are working correctly, and even double check the plugs. When I had my motor built, I used my old set of Blue MSD wires since they were one year old. When I first ran the boat, I could only turn 5600rpm with my B impeller. Then at CBBB 2 months later I was only turning 5400rpm and I thought there was no way the heat could bring my RPM down this much. After taking the motor back to DNE, we found a bad plug wire and a bad spark plug, even though the plugs were new. Once we replaced the plugs and wires, took the boat out and she hit and still hits 6000rpm. So I would check the wires.
Lastly, I don't know if someone has asked this or yet, but have you checked to see if WOT on your (foot pedal or hand throttle) is truly WOT on your carb, and if your secondaries are truly opening up all the way as well.
Good Luck!
HBjet

[Carnivalride]

Are you using this same air cleaner?
http://www2.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/124IMG_2263.JPG
I would try a few runs without it, and at least gut it. I know the ones I used to have on my motor were pretty restrictive.
Also, are the plug wires the same wires you had before the motor build? If so, I would get a new set of wires, or at least test your current set to make sure they are working correctly, and even double check the plugs. So I would check the wires.
Lastly, I don't know if someone has asked this or yet, but have you checked to see if WOT on your (foot pedal or hand throttle) is truly WOT on your carb, and if your secondaries are truly opening up all the way as well.
Good Luck!
HBjet
Excellent suggestions there HBjet! :cool:
On my boat the scoop with the filter killed 200rpm vs scoop only, I've also has plug wires fail in between outings. All I could figure was pulling them off and setting them aside to take plug readings must have damaged them. Of course it ran fine the time before so I was real confused when it had a miss the next week.

[Rev. Williams]

Jerry, sucks your motor isn't making your boat perform the way you wanted...
Are you using this same air cleaner?
I would try a few runs without it, and at least gut it. I know the ones I used to have on my motor were pretty restrictive.
Also, are the plug wires the same wires you had before the motor build? If so, I would get a new set of wires, or at least test your current set to make sure they are working correctly, and even double check the plugs. When I had my motor built, I used my old set of Blue MSD wires since they were one year old. When I first ran the boat, I could only turn 5600rpm with my B impeller. Then at CBBB 2 months later I was only turning 5400rpm and I thought there was no way the heat could bring my RPM down this much. After taking the motor back to DNE, we found a bad plug wire and a bad spark plug, even though the plugs were new. Once we replaced the plugs and wires, took the boat out and she hit and still hits 6000rpm. So I would check the wires.
Lastly, I don't know if someone has asked this or yet, but have you checked to see if WOT on your (foot pedal or hand throttle) is truly WOT on your carb, and if your secondaries are truly opening up all the way as well.
Good Luck!
HBjet
Whats up Randy !!
It's the same air cleaner, but it's gutted. Also, I've run it at Havasu without the engine hatch and no air cleaner with no difference.
These are the same plug wires, they look good, but I'll replace them also.
As for the WOT, thats the first thing I checked... She's wiiiiide open !
Thanks for the ideas... I'll let you know what I get.

[565edge]

No Sh it?? I've seen them to the rail, but never through it... What kind of number should I be looking for from the bottom up to the Prop Shaft?? Without seeing it, I can tell you that I'm close to 0.00
What was yours at? and what type of speeds did you see, Also, with what power??
I had a 565 chevy in it but never completed the project.Sold to a buddy less motor and bought a house.Go into image center and look up 565edge.I have pics of the boat.The bottom on my boat was a little different than a standard one.It was meant for a blackhawk outdrive and the floor is raised up.Youll see in the pics.My friend is just now finishing the boat.400hp big block.We should beable to run it in a couple of weeks.Ill let you know the progress.Your prop shaft is probally 3-4 inches below the center tunnel.

[Rev. Williams]

I had a 565 chevy in it but never completed the project.Sold to a buddy less motor and bought a house.Go into image center and look up 565edge.I have pics of the boat.The bottom on my boat was a little different than a standard one.It was meant for a blackhawk outdrive and the floor is raised up.Youll see in the pics.My friend is just now finishing the boat.400hp big block.We should beable to run it in a couple of weeks.Ill let you know the progress.Your prop shaft is probally 3-4 inches below the center tunnel.
I measured it last night and the prop-line is 5 1/2" below the boat..... I guess this is why there is never a roost of my boat.
I'll check out the pics today. Thanks.

[U.T.B.A.V-Drive man]

I measured it last night and the prop-line is 5 1/2" below the boat..... I guess this is why there is never a roost of my boat.
I'll check out the pics today. Thanks.
That is your problem, mine is 6". 3" is good, you need a shorty. Mine is a deckboat and the X dim was cut low to run a Bravo-3. I took off the XZ drive and put back on the B-3. Now the motor turns 5800 (400 to much). I have a 28 foot deckboat that is 4800 lb's. My motor dynoed @ 550.

[Rev. Williams]

That is your problem, mine is 6". 3" is good, you need a shorty. Mine is a deckboat and the X dim was cut low to run a Bravo-3. I took off the XZ drive and put back on the B-3. Now the motor turns 5800 (400 to much). I have a 28 foot deckboat that is 4800 lb's. My motor dynoed @ 550.
Okay then..... Does anyone want to donated cash for that IMCO shorty in the spam section???

[Just Electric]

ill donate a 18 pack and my help to put it in

[U.T.B.A.V-Drive man]

Okay then..... Does anyone want to donated cash for that IMCO shorty in the spam section???
I guess the real question is how did you get the speed and RPM with the old motor and the same drive? Did you change something during the motor rebuild? :rollside:

[Rev. Williams]

I guess the real question is how did you get the speed and RPM with the old motor and the same drive? Did you change something during the motor rebuild? :rollside:
That is the $1000 question !! :D
As for changes, I've done nothing... The motor was pulled out, built up, and dropped back in. Everything around it 100% the same.
I've now replaced the old plug wires with the MSD 8.5 wires and the carb is off and is going in for a full rebuild and upgrade. If this donest help out I'l either go after the shorter lower, or wait til winter and pull the motor out to put it on a DYNO. At that point I can try new heads, intakes and whatever until I get just what I want.