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Tommy1005
07-30-2005, 06:22 AM
I'm looking to get a boat.......my fiance has said that it has to be an open bow, because she likes to lounge up front, but that's about the only restriction she has put on the boat. I would like to be able to run in the 70-80 mph range on reliable, relatively stock power. Oh yeah, I don't really care for the mid-cabin boats, so those are out. Thanks in advance for your help.
Tommy

WYRD
07-30-2005, 06:24 AM
Try to find one that floats :D :D
Try looking at the DANA 23 here is a picture
http://www.danaboats.com/Images/gallery/DSCF0021.JPG
Dana Performance Boats
5132 Holt Blvd.
Montclair, CA 91763
How to find us:
Dana Performance Boats is located conveniently between the 10 and 60 Fwy, exit on Central Ave and West on Holt blvd.
Phone:
(909) 399-4044
Fax:
(909) 399-4095
Email:
info@danaboats.com

dicudmore
07-30-2005, 06:26 AM
What about a 27' Ultra Shadow...walk-through open bow w/at least a 525.
There is your open-bow, and 70-80 in one shot :wink:

jayd_jr
07-30-2005, 06:27 AM
What about a 27' Ultra Shadow...walk-through open bow w/at least a 525.
There is your open-bow, and 70-80 in one shot :wink:
Dan you sure know alot about that boat........

dicudmore
07-30-2005, 06:29 AM
Dan you sure know alot about that boat........
trying to help a boating brother out ;)
That 23' Dana mentioned above is also a NICE NICE boat :D

XFactor
07-30-2005, 06:38 AM
The boat below is for sale. Sounds like it's just what your looking for. :D :D :D

dicudmore
07-30-2005, 06:42 AM
This one sounds like a perfect fit. :D :D :D
http://www.boattraderonline.com/cad.../2/80099822.htm
That link doesn't work... EDIT: nevermind the link :wink:
But, if its the DCB I think it is I will sure vouch for it having seen ya out there w/it before :D

Tommy1005
07-30-2005, 06:48 AM
that DCB is nice, but a little out of my price range, I'm afraid.......how much does one of the Ultra 27's run.......or a Dana 23 with the 496 HO and a tower?

riverrunner
07-30-2005, 06:50 AM
You looking for new or used? How much do you want to spend? Want a cat or Vee? I might be selling the Magic deck pretty soon. I'm already getting the itch for something new.

Tommy1005
07-30-2005, 06:54 AM
somewhere in the 50-75 range, I know it's a fairly large range, but I would much rather be toward the 50 end than the 75. If the boat was right, it wouldn't matter to me if it was new or used......used is usually a better deal as long as it's in pristine condition. I've always been in v-bottomed boats, but would not be close minded to a cat

OGShocker
07-30-2005, 07:01 AM
somewhere in the 50-75 range, I know it's a fairly large range, but I would much rather be toward the 50 end than the 75. If the boat was right, it wouldn't matter to me if it was new or used......used is usually a better deal as long as it's in pristine condition. I've always been in v-bottomed boats, but would not be close minded to a cat
The Dana 23' would be in the 60's with EVERY option. Give Rhett a call.

payloan
07-30-2005, 07:29 AM
How much is Rhett putting the 27' out for?

WYRD
07-30-2005, 07:35 AM
The Dana 23' would be in the 60's with EVERY option. Give Rhett a call.
and its a VERY nice boat too :idea:

OGShocker
07-30-2005, 08:06 AM
How much is Rhett putting the 27' out for?
The mid 70's nicely adorned with a lot of bells and whistles.

INSman
07-30-2005, 08:08 AM
trying to help a boating brother out ;)
That 23' Dana mentioned above is also a NICE NICE boat :D
Nice SAVE Dan :squiggle: :D
And yes, the 23' Dana is a great boat along with all the other Dana boats ;)

INSman
07-30-2005, 08:09 AM
The Dana 23' would be in the 60's with EVERY option. Give Rhett a call.
I was well into the low 70's all day long in my 23' with an HO ;)

UltraStealth
07-30-2005, 08:16 AM
There are alot of boats that would work for you, even new. Almost all boat builders have a boat in that price range 50-75K. It depends on how big of a boat you are looking for. The bigger the boat, usually the more money you will spend. Good luck.

Dribble
07-30-2005, 08:35 AM
Since Frenchie's not around to pimp Shockwave any more I'll fill in for him. Good boat.

Tommy1005
07-30-2005, 08:39 AM
shockwave is a good boat, but they only make a mid cabin that I know of.

Dribble
07-30-2005, 08:50 AM
Not true. Their 25 is now available in a walk through.

rivercrazy
07-30-2005, 08:52 AM
Shockwave has walkthrough versions of their 21LS, 21Skier, 21Step Skier, and 25 Tremor. I have a 25 closed bow Tremor. Shockwave makes an excellent quality and performing boat.

JB in so cal
07-30-2005, 08:58 AM
A friend just got the Cobra 23 cuddy/bow rider. 496 HO, blah, blah for around $65k. MAgic has the 26 for the same money-3 feet more!!
Just depends on what tickles your fancy (Did I just say that?) :idea:

Water Romper
07-30-2005, 08:58 AM
You didn’t mention if you’re new to boating or getting back into it…
Reason why I mention this is because jumping into a 75 thousand dollar 25 footer may be a bit much to handle…however if your experienced at boating, increased boat sizes over the years (like, I would assume most of us have done) then look at used 2-3 year old boats…get one you like, run it to death, see if you like the whole boating scene then buy a new one in the winter….
:D

WaTchTheGelCoat
07-30-2005, 09:12 AM
What about a 27' Ultra Shadow...walk-through open bow w/at least a 525.
There is your open-bow, and 70-80 in one shot :wink:
I have to agree here, and John West will design a TRUE ORIGINAL gelcoat design for your boat, not splash someone else. :D

38cig
07-30-2005, 09:20 AM
just an idea. :cool: http://www.riverratlife.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5957. 1993 CIGARETTE TOP GUN 38' FOR SALE. only 200 hours on original merc. 425hp motors on trs drives with fresh 100 hour service on motors and drives, also lots of other stuff replaced including sea strainer impellers, bidge pump, trim resv., and more all done on 07/05/05 by extreme custom marine in so.cal., fresh water only boat with fresh water flush system, fume detector and built in fire system, shore power with 30amp charger for dual batteries, k-planes hydraulic trim tabs with trim indicators, s/s 3 blade props, new custom cockpit interior-engine cover-and cockpit cover (in purple), new kick a$$ 1200 watt stereo system with six 6x9 speakers and room to grow with subs, full cabin with electric head-sink-pressure water system with fresh water holding tank-built in huge ice box cooler-wet bar-dinette-closet-snap in carpet-and tons of storage, all of witch is in like new shape, 2005 aluminium triple axle trailer that it is on is available, covered storage in las vegas can be transfered, all manuals and papers from cigarette. asking $92,000 obo per nadaguides.com. plus a little. pm me or call robert at 1-702-683-7656. i will be in havisu at nautical from july 28th to 31st if you want to see it, please call in advance

Beer-30
07-30-2005, 09:27 AM
You didn’t mention if you’re new to boating or getting back into it…
Reason why I mention this is because jumping into a 75 thousand dollar 25 footer may be a bit much to handle…however if your experienced at boating, increased boat sizes over the years (like, I would assume most of us have done) then look at used 2-3 year old boats…get one you like, run it to death, see if you like the whole boating scene then buy a new one in the winter….
:D
Excellent. If you look long enough, you will find exactly what you want.
I was prepared to lay down $55-60K for a new 22-23 footer. I realized I wanted to go in large lakes with bad water, so I decided I wanted a 25-26. Then 28. Then I spotted a 30 footer with only 165 hours, 4 yrs old. Paid $54K. Plus, it has a bitchen trailer under it that I would have paid through the nose for. So much more boat for the money. Plus, I didn't have to pay sales tax (another $3800 or so).
In your case, you just may find a walk-through (doubt it) with a blue motor, or a huge stereo or both and still pay what you would for a new 22-23 stocker.
Just a suggestion.
Found mine in boat trader online, and was looking real hard at the SleekCraft online inventory. I wasnt' brand-specific, looked at some Eliminators too.
IN FACT! Nasvillebound's X-Ultra is still at Sleek, as far as I know. I am sure you could have this boat for around $55K. It is a mid-cuddy, but it has a 500EFI / Whipple, tabs, steering, drive. Almost 25 feet (24.7). I would have bought it, but he wasn't in my "no more than $55K" range at the time.

Water Romper
07-30-2005, 10:32 AM
You paid 54 grand for that boat???
Damn….next time I look for a boat I will hire you! :D
By the way, there is a Quarter horse that runs at Los Alamitos named “Beer 30”

andy01
07-30-2005, 10:48 AM
I am sure it has been said here, but take the time to go see John West at Ultra Custom boats. He can take care of all of your open bow needs. He can build you what you want or possibly know of a clean pre-owned boat he has coming in on trade.
Andy

a catered life
07-30-2005, 10:49 AM
make sure you get one that floats :2purples:

Tommy1005
07-30-2005, 11:01 AM
You didn’t mention if you’re new to boating or getting back into it…
Reason why I mention this is because jumping into a 75 thousand dollar 25 footer may be a bit much to handle…however if your experienced at boating, increased boat sizes over the years (like, I would assume most of us have done) then look at used 2-3 year old boats…get one you like, run it to death, see if you like the whole boating scene then buy a new one in the winter….
:D
I've been boating on my parents since 1981, I was born in 1980, so I have been around boats all my life. Currently we have a 27 foot Sea Ray deckboat with the 496HO in it.....so we have a large boat to cruise around in. I'm looking for something that my friends and I can take out, go somewhat fast, and do a little skiing behind, so 25 feet would be stretching it a little bit. I'll have to browse through Ultra and Shockwave and compare them to the Dana......I like the Dane, it's a beautiful boat, but I'm afraid it's going to kill me on the size lake I'm on. Some of the "factory" 22 footers are nice, but I would rather have a custom boat, and it seems like the customs are all shallow boats in that size range. I'm sure I'll figure something out, I'm not in a huge rush yet, just trying to figure out what I want to end up in for next summer.

THOR
07-30-2005, 11:09 AM
Check your pm Tommy

dicudmore
07-30-2005, 11:10 AM
Check your pm Tommy
sure buddy...don't share the info w/the rest of us :rolleyes:

rivercrazy
07-30-2005, 11:11 AM
I know of a few pre-owned 25 Shockwave Tremors for sale right now. Both of them are in great shape and decked out with just about every option you can think of. Check with Dilligaf or Tremor Therapy on the board here.
This really is a great performing and handling boat. Takes big lake conditions extremely well. I've had mine out in 4 foot white caps at Lake Mohave running 60mph plus and over out in the big blue a number of times.

Big Warlock
07-30-2005, 11:12 AM
How much you want to spend? You can get a Bayliner on one end or a Magic Deckboat with twin 700 ponies. :hammerhea

THOR
07-30-2005, 12:19 PM
sure buddy...don't share the info w/the rest of us :rolleyes:
I was just telling him that there are plenty around and mine might be in a little while. :cool:

ULTRA28
07-30-2005, 12:24 PM
I was just telling him that there are plenty around and mine might be in a little while. :cool:
Tooling on the 25 Shadow deck is coming along. Should have them ready for LA. You still thinking about trading in your 247?

dicudmore
07-30-2005, 12:29 PM
Tooling on the 25 Shadow deck is coming along. Should have them ready for LA. You still thinking about trading in your 247?
hmm...another guy on here talking about Ultra's and Shadows...
I recommended it first :wink:

Wake Havasu
07-30-2005, 01:18 PM
If you'll be boating in Raiders Nation you'll want:
http://www.eo.kollmorgen.com/images/products/26/boat_with_gun.jpg

UltraStealth
07-30-2005, 01:31 PM
Tooling on the 25 Shadow deck is coming along. Should have them ready for LA. You still thinking about trading in your 247?
25 Shadow Deck? :jawdrop: I think it is time for me to upgrade. Any pics on this bad boy? I know it's early, but any idea on what the price range might be? I love the Shadow just a little out of my price range.

dicudmore
07-30-2005, 01:32 PM
25 Shadow Deck? :jawdrop: I think it is time for me to upgrade. Any pics on this bad boy? I know it's early, but any idea on what the price range might be? I love the Shadow just a little out of my price range.
Sir, with your money... I'd buy 2 of 'em :wink:

UltraStealth
07-30-2005, 03:50 PM
Sir, with your money... I'd buy 2 of 'em :wink:
What? 1 for me and 1 for you? That is why I was moving away from you in Simi. :jawdrop: Maybe we can get a package deal since we will both be in the market at the same time! :idea: :rolleyes:

dicudmore
07-30-2005, 03:55 PM
What? 1 for me and 1 for you? That is why I was moving away from you in Simi. :jawdrop: Maybe we can get a package deal since we will both be in the market at the same time! :idea: :rolleyes:
sir, you already know that Ultra hooks up HB members :cool: :wink:
let me know when you're ready to shop, we'll go down there and beat up on 'em for some pricing help :cool:

ratso
07-30-2005, 04:47 PM
How much you want to spend? You can get a Bayliner on one end or a Magic Deckboat with twin 700 ponies. :hammerhea
...for 70K, damn, not bad on the Magic. :idea:

ECeptor
07-30-2005, 05:09 PM
Just go to boattrader.com and type in your search criteria - price range, length range, and use a 300mi radius from your zip code.
That will instantly give you a damn good idea of your options.
BTW, $50-75k for a <25'er should net you plenty of options!

THOR
07-30-2005, 08:56 PM
Tooling on the 25 Shadow deck is coming along. Should have them ready for LA. You still thinking about trading in your 247?
Yep JW. Me and Dad really are interested in the 25'er. I am especially. You have always hooked us up and that is why we are loyal. Sorry I missed the regatta, but I couldnt swing taking the 4 week old boy in that heat.

UltraStealth
07-31-2005, 01:02 PM
Yep JW. Me and Dad really are interested in the 25'er. I am especially. You have always hooked us up and that is why we are loyal. Sorry I missed the regatta, but I couldnt swing taking the 4 week old boy in that heat.
Thor,
Have you seen the 25 or any concept drawings?

Nord
07-31-2005, 01:56 PM
I would say try Ultra Boats!!!! John West's crew seems to be building the best looking, affordable, sturdy boats!!!
That comming from someone who doesn't even have one!!
I am impressed by the boats they make, you should check them out!!!

Tommy1005
08-01-2005, 03:59 PM
how does Ultra's 24 footer ride in the chop? anybody have one with a 496HO or larger motor in it?

jbtrailerjim
08-01-2005, 04:16 PM
how does Ultra's 24 footer ride in the chop? anybody have one with a 496HO or larger motor in it?
I don't have the 24 Stealth but I have the 247XS. My boat does well in the chop and I absolutely love it. I'm only running a 496Mag. It runs right around 70 with no problem. I can't say enough nice things about Ultra and the boats they build. John West is a stand up guy and his crew builds some awesome boats.

Ultrafied
08-01-2005, 05:22 PM
how does Ultra's 24 footer ride in the chop? anybody have one with a 496HO or larger motor in it?
My Stealth rides the chop real good. I was a little worried before I got it, but since, no problem. I'm running the 496 Mag, top speed I've had it is 71 with 2 people and 1/2 a tank on the GPS with a labbed prop from York.
I can't say enough good words about Ultra. The boat, John West, Steve, Mike in rigging. They will definitely take care of you, just like family. In my opinion, the boat was worth my money and I would go back to Ultra in a heartbeat. If you just want to talk, I did a lot of looking and research before going to Ultra, shoot me a PM.

Ultrafied
08-01-2005, 05:37 PM
Don't buy one...
Personal opinion ... or can you enlighten us with your details? :D
I love it when somebody comes on and throws a dart, leaves, and has nothing to back up a negative comment about a boat. Makes you wonder .... :eat:

Ultrafied
08-01-2005, 06:29 PM
Oh please, makes you wonder... your an expert. LOL
No, but I gave my views ... and details of personal knowledge ... how about you. Still didn't see anything of relevance.

Ultrafied
08-01-2005, 06:35 PM
LOL ... OK .... so why "Don't buy one" .... oh by the way, I have one motor and one boat, pretty much all I need. :cool:

jbtrailerjim
08-01-2005, 06:56 PM
It must be Slow...
My guess Ultrafied's Ultra is a lot faster and a whole lot more fun than your Eliminator is right now. ;)

Ultrafied
08-01-2005, 06:58 PM
Fast enough .... :) and you still haven't explained "Don't buy one" ....

Supultlbich
08-01-2005, 08:44 PM
I have a friend that bought a used boat from John West (owner of Ultra) and the boat turned out to be a total piece of shit. He had it for ONE day, and had to all but sue the guy to get his money back.
My humble opinion of Ultra is that they all look the same. They dont seem to have any truly standout qualities. They seem to be overpriced, and friends say that customer service is not the greatest. With that said I'm sure of this, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, I just wouldnt buy one.

Supultlbich
08-01-2005, 08:49 PM
71 on whaat GPS Ultrafied??? A hand held??

Supultlbich
08-01-2005, 08:55 PM
I just dont uderstand this need for people to talk about how fast their boats are. I am certainly no expert but I will say that most people who tell you how fast they are are generally tend to exagerate.

ULTRA28
08-01-2005, 09:27 PM
I have a friend that bought a used boat from John West (owner of Ultra) and the boat turned out to be a total piece of shit. He had it for ONE day, and had to all but sue the guy to get his money back.
My humble opinion of Ultra is that they all look the same. They dont seem to have any truly standout qualities. They seem to be overpriced, and friends say that customer service is not the greatest. With that said I'm sure of this, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, I just wouldnt buy one.
So who's your friend and what used boat did I sell him that I supposedly had to give him a refund on.

Ultrafied
08-02-2005, 05:24 AM
71 on whaat GPS Ultrafied??? A hand held??
71 on a hand held GPS. Yes. No exaggeration, not bragging, the guy asked how fast one could go. It was nice water, early in the morning and I had fun.

Tommy1005
08-02-2005, 07:23 AM
thanks for the help.......I am going to do some more research, but I have some good ideas now......what about eliminator? Are they worth the money? There's a dealer in Dallas that has one of their bowriders with the 6.2L and a Bravo I, that's even a little less than I was looking at spending. Any thoughts?

THOR
08-02-2005, 07:41 AM
I hit 78 on my handheld GPS. What does having a handheld have to do with anything? A GPS is a GPS. Simple.
I love it when guys with 20 posts come on to stir up stuff. Just plain funny. Uh, I know a guy who knows a guy that sued JW and got a refund. :messedup:
Get real

UltraStealth
08-02-2005, 08:10 AM
So who's your friend and what used boat did I sell him that I supposedly had to give him a refund on.
I think he went to get his facts straight with his buddy. :hammerhea I have never had a problem with Ultra's customer service. I'm not partial to any specific brand, but because of the service they have provided, I would definitely buy another. Keep up the good work John! :cool:

Tommy1005
08-02-2005, 08:27 AM
well, for the price difference, it's a 2003 23XP with the 6.2/Bravo I combination. I think in a boat that size the 6.2 would be efficient for the short run, then with a Whipple later on it would give the boat a decent topend and still good low end torque, and at $42,900, it looks to be somewhat of a good deal on a really clean boat.

shippingguy
08-02-2005, 11:06 AM
As you can see I am new on the boards, but have been lurking for some time. I have personal experience with Ultra and am on my third boat from John in the same amount of years and will continue to purchase more. So unlike some, my advice is based on what I believe and not somebody else's second hand story. John and his staff are first class and will do everything in their power to build you your dream boat. Talk to John before you decide on anything! I shopped long and hard for a few years before I bought my first Ultra and I keep coming back for more!

Tommy1005
08-02-2005, 11:29 AM
since when will the 6.2 not handle a whipple? I haven't heard of anyone having problem's with this setup, please explain.

shippingguy
08-02-2005, 12:17 PM
I have a friend that bought a used boat from John West (owner of Ultra) and the boat turned out to be a total piece of shit. He had it for ONE day, and had to all but sue the guy to get his money back.
My humble opinion of Ultra is that they all look the same. They dont seem to have any truly standout qualities. They seem to be overpriced, and friends say that customer service is not the greatest. With that said I'm sure of this, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, I just wouldnt buy one.
What Ultra did he buy and why would YOU PERSONALLY not buy one? Interesting how you would come on here and say something like this and not back it up with any specifics! Spill the beans! They all look the same? Maybe you have just seen all the knock offs of Ultras great and innovative gelwork and thought they were Ultras? I have yet to see two Ultras the same!

voodoomedman
08-02-2005, 12:43 PM
I have a friend that bought a used boat from John West (owner of Ultra) and the boat turned out to be a total piece of shit. He had it for ONE day, and had to all but sue the guy to get his money back.
My humble opinion of Ultra is that they all look the same. They dont seem to have any truly standout qualities. They seem to be overpriced, and friends say that customer service is not the greatest. With that said I'm sure of this, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, I just wouldnt buy one.
Everybody has their opinions as to the looks or layout of a boat. I personally love the Ultra's. While some may not like all the different gelcoats Ultra does one cannot argue against the fact that Ultra pretty much has the most ability in the gelcoat arena. Best fades, lines, can airbrush in the gel (albeit for a big cost).
But putting opinions aside. I cannot see a reason for any sane person to have to sue Ultra. If you have an issue with your boat all you have to do is contact John West and the issue is taken care of faster than you can blink an eye. And that is a fact Jack.

shippingguy
08-02-2005, 12:50 PM
Everybody has their opinions as to the looks or layout of a boat. I personally love the Ultra's. While some may not like all the different gelcoats Ultra does one cannot argue against the fact that Ultra pretty much has the most ability in the gelcoat arena. Best fades, lines, can airbrush in the gel (albeit for a big cost).
But putting opinions aside. I cannot see a reason for any sane person to have to sue Ultra. If you have an issue with your boat all you have to do is contact John West and the issue is taken care of faster than you can blink an eye. And that is a fact Jack.
Could not of said it better myself. John is so willing to work with customers and give them what they want and if something is not right he will fix it! He treats everyone as an equal! Only a quality boat can be built by a quality staff and John and the staff at Ultra have that nailed!

shippingguy
08-02-2005, 02:39 PM
I just dont uderstand this need for people to talk about how fast their boats are. I am certainly no expert but I will say that most people who tell you how fast they are are generally tend to exagerate.
That so far is the only thing you have said that has any merit........you are NOT an expert!!! Just curious when you are going to answer some of the questions regarding your earlier post? Still gathering the truth(facts)?Inquiring minds want to know? Not trying to be a jerk, but just want to know how you can come on here and talk s**t and then back down when asked for the details? Again, you have a right to an opinion, but you are claiming something different so back it up!

UltraStealth
08-02-2005, 02:49 PM
That so far is the only thing you have said that has any merit........you are NOT an expert!!! Just curious when you are going to answer some of the questions regarding your earlier post? Still gathering the truth(facts)?Inquiring minds want to know? Not trying to be a jerk, but just want to know how you can come on here and talk s**t and then back down when asked for the details? Again, you have a right to an opinion, but you are claiming something different so back it up!
Nicely said! :D

jbtrailerjim
08-02-2005, 05:10 PM
I have a friend that bought a used boat from John West (owner of Ultra) and the boat turned out to be a total piece of shit. He had it for ONE day, and had to all but sue the guy to get his money back.
How about some details on why the boat was a total piece of shit?? Those are some pretty harsh comments to make with out giving any details to back up your story. I find it real hard to believe John would sell a boat that was a total piece of shit and he would not do anything about it until "Your Friend" almost sued.
My humble opinion of Ultra is that they all look the same.
You are the first person I have ever heard or read make a comment like this. But I guess we are all entitled to our opinions. I guess you have not looked at very many Ultra's.
They dont seem to have any truly standout qualities.
Oh, puhhhleassse. Maybe you could enlighten us with some of your expertise opinions on what kind of "Standout Qualities" you look for in a boat.:sleeping:
They seem to be overpriced, and friends say that customer service is not the greatest.
Again another comment I have never heard mentioned about Ultra before. :rolleyes: You will be hard pressed to find a better group of people at Ultra who absolutely go out of there way to make sure the customer is satisfied.

SDLifesaver
08-02-2005, 05:10 PM
I also know the guy who bought the USED boat from John West Ultra Boats and had a really hard time getting his money back. The boat was only $5,000 but had some serious mechanical problems that were found out after the purchase. The guy who bought it did not drive it before he bought it and is to blame partially because that, but he had a bad case of boat fever at the time and after telling him not to buy the boat for obvious reasons he did it anyway. I am in no way saying anything bad about anybody here because I use the boards all the time for many things, I am just saying that this event really did happen. Nick

Beer-30
08-02-2005, 05:21 PM
Is a whipple a blower? Why yes it is... Is the 6.2 motor set up with with blower pistons and other related parts needed to with stand the boost from a supercharger? I think not... I have gone through $$$this$$$ already, just my own personal opinion.
Uh, sorry to tell you Betitbig, but neither is your HO! This may be why you have your current milkshake problem. Anytime you add boost to a motor that wasn't built for it, you are on borrowed time. Some make them last a long time, others go quickly. It's all about how you treat it and how much boost you try to get away with. The 6.2 seems to handle it just as good as the 496. Lots of posts on OSO with guys running twins this way.

Beer-30
08-02-2005, 05:26 PM
Hey Tommy1005, add about 10K to that 42 you are talkin and get this boat.
http://www.sleekcraft.com/currentinv/22to27/0105/images/00046852a.jpg
http://www.sleekcraft.com/currentinv/22to27/0105/images/00046852i.JPG
http://www.sleekcraft.com/currentinv/22to27/0105/images/00046852g.JPG

Beer-30
08-02-2005, 05:30 PM
Well i'm sorry to tell you... That my motor which was an HO, and is now a HO HO, was built by Larry Peto and has blower pistons all of the best parts and it still whips up a good milkshake... Sticks and stones...
Ah, I see. Couldn't tell that from you sig line.
I'll tell ya. Sometimes it is just good to leave well enough alone. There's all kinds of stuff I would like (and still may) add, but it sure is nice to light off that stock HO. Temp, oil, power, sound, all the same every time. I can't get it to burn enough fuel. I have been trying to get the tanks down, but it won't use any. I am sure I will get tired of it one day, but for now, it sure is nice turn-key.

shippingguy
08-02-2005, 06:23 PM
I also know the guy who bought the USED boat from John West Ultra Boats and had a really hard time getting his money back. The boat was only $5,000 but had some serious mechanical problems that were found out after the purchase. The guy who bought it did not drive it before he bought it and is to blame partially because that, but he had a bad case of boat fever at the time and after telling him not to buy the boat for obvious reasons he did it anyway. I am in no way saying anything bad about anybody here because I use the boards all the time for many things, I am just saying that this event really did happen. Nick
So I will assume that it was NOT an Ultra, correct? If I am the problem is that Supultlbich comes on here and talks s**t about Ultra and tells people not to buy one because his so called friend bought a used boat without test driving it first from Ultra, but the used boat was not an Ultra in the first place. This being said his harsh comments about Ultra and John West should be kept to himself! SDLifesaver thank you for coming on here and clearing a little of this up for those who cannot backup what they initially started.

SDLifesaver
08-02-2005, 06:29 PM
The boat was not an Ultra. It was a POS late 80's open bow with an OMC drive and motor that had problems with a capital P written all over it. I realize that when you own a boat made by a company and you are a happy customer it is an insult to hear it being bad mouthed. The only reason I piped in was because this incident really did happen and that's the end of it. Now what we need to do is find this Suplitlbitch guy and find out what kind of boat he drives and ask him if he knows anything about driving with a prop cover on or about drive oil leaking in his bilge?

shippingguy
08-02-2005, 06:45 PM
The boat was not an Ultra. It was a POS late 80's open bow with an OMC drive and motor that had problems with a capital P written all over it. I realize that when you own a boat made by a company and you are a happy customer it is an insult to hear it being bad mouthed. The only reason I piped in was because this incident really did happen and that's the end of it. Now what we need to do is find this Suplitlbitch guy and find out what kind of boat he drives and ask him if he knows anything about driving with a prop cover on or about drive oil leaking in his bilge?
It is good you piped in. Nothing wrong with that. I just wanted to hear some facts to what Suplitlbich said earlier on this. His username(Suplitlbich) says it all for me! Enough said. He probably rides a stand up jetski!! I am a happy 3 time Ultra owner and probably will be a fourth time buyer soon. Most importantly I love boating. I do not like when people open their mouths without the facts to back up what they say whether it be about Ultra or any other company (boat) or person for that matter.

Supultlbich
08-02-2005, 06:46 PM
It would appear I have touched a nerve, or nerves. I have no experience with John or his company. For all I know he is a good guy and an upstanding business owner. I was simply relaying an experience a friend of mine had, to the person who posted the thread looking for info. It wasnt meant as finger pointing, just a noteworthy point to the prospective buyer. If you recall I stated that I had heard of poor customer serveice, that is what I was refering to. Would I buy one? No, if that offends those of you that own them I apologize.
As for my opinions on the boats themselves, thats what they are, take them or leave them. I believe I said that in the final analysis beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
As for you people attempting some sort of catharsis by making this some sort of a witchhunt get over it.

Supultlbich
08-02-2005, 06:56 PM
Yes it is true, my three hour old prop cover never made it home!!!

SDLifesaver
08-02-2005, 07:05 PM
Very well put Sup, but we gave it a soldiers funeral after you left.

Mandelon
08-03-2005, 07:42 AM
I bought a used boat (not an Ultra) from John a couple of years ago and had 0 problems. The transaction was easy and the boat's was great, I sold it to someone else on the boards and it is still problem free from what I know.
I don't see how you can expect someone who takes in used boats on trade-in to warranty they will be problem free. Old boats have problems. Duh.

Supultlbich
08-03-2005, 08:02 AM
I agree 100%. But there are also those instances where despite good intentions, reputations, and the sheer nature of the business, things dont always go as planned. That is all I was trying to say.

WaTchTheGelCoat
08-03-2005, 08:08 AM
Hey Tommy1005, add about 10K to that 42 you are talkin and get this boat.
http://www.sleekcraft.com/currentinv/22to27/0105/images/00046852a.jpg
http://www.sleekcraft.com/currentinv/22to27/0105/images/00046852i.JPG
http://www.sleekcraft.com/currentinv/22to27/0105/images/00046852g.JPG
Its for sale again???

rvrtoy
08-03-2005, 08:35 AM
I have been with Ultra for more than 7 years now and I know for a fact that John and everyone here bends over backwards to take care of all...let me repeat...ALL of our customers in all situations.
After reading this thread I have gone back (for the length of time I have been here) and can find no customers that fit the situation that you are describing. Is this something that happened 10 years ago or is this even a real person or is it an imaginary friend that the 2 of you (supultlbich and sd lifesaver) have created? If it is a person then PM me his name and I will look it up and tell you the otherside of the story (without mentioning any names).
Just as in any other industry that requires stellar customer service, you can not make everyone completely happy all the time. Some folks are just unreasonable. That being said, I don not think that there is anyone who tries harder to please everyone all the time that Ultra and John West.

Beer-30
08-03-2005, 08:38 AM
Its for sale again???
Well, it is still on the Sleek/Magic website and they have updated it recently. I assume it is.

Cole Trickle
08-03-2005, 09:12 AM
Its for sale again???
Like stated It's Still at Magic/Sleek waiting for a new owner.
I think I heard somewhere that they removed the blower motor and replaced it with a stock 496HO?

Beer-30
08-03-2005, 09:41 AM
Like stated It's Still at Magic/Sleek waiting for a new owner.
I think I heard somewhere that they removed the blower motor and replaced it with a stock 496HO?
Wow, that would be stupid of them. I would need confirmation on that before I believed it. I wouldn't think they would put any hours into a used boat. They usually don't touch them. And I mean don't touch them. I looked at two used boats there at the Havasu shop. The 28 Eagle XP that I looked at had 4 inches of standing water on the mid-cuddy floor. And it had wall-wall carpet! Nasty. It had a Pro-charged 502, XR, tabs, steering, and they didn't pull anything off. It just sat.
If you get by there again, and you have a second, see if it's really true or if someone was pulling your leg. Now I am curious. Don't make a special trip or anything, only if you go by.
If not, and it is still there the first week of Sept, I will go by and look. Need to have some stuff looked at on mine anyhow. Renting a house again for our Labor Day - week stay. 09-01 thru 09-06. :cool:

Tommy1005
08-03-2005, 12:51 PM
thanks again everybody for your help, I think I have narrowed it down to the Shockwave 25 foot walk through and the Ultra, now it's time to do some more research and figure out which one is just right and at the right price.

rivercrazy
08-03-2005, 01:05 PM
Good choices. What kind of water are you running? Big lakes?
The Ultra is lower freeboard has a lesser deadrise, and is a bit lighter. Also not as long and more cab-forward in orientation. Cab forward's put more weight forward and create a little more of a bumpy ride for the driver.
The Shockwave is a large 25' boat. Sizable freeboard, 100 inch beam, 24 degree bottom, not cab forward, and tons of interior room. Handles big water great and runs 68-73 on the top end with a stock 496 package (depending on if its an HO and what options you have in it)
Good luck on your search make it fun!

THOR
08-03-2005, 01:11 PM
Ultra 24 has a 102" beam but weighs less than the Shockwave.

SDLifesaver
08-03-2005, 01:19 PM
This is the last time I will respond on this thread and am only doing so to protect my name. I called Rivertoy (Steve) @ Ultra and told him the story and gave him the name of the guy who bought the boat. This should end the it never happened game and all the guilty parties can lick their wounds and get on with their lives. Seacrest out.

little rowe boat
08-03-2005, 01:22 PM
This is the last time I will respond on this thread and am only doing so to protect my name. I called Rivertoy (Steve) @ Ultra and told him the story and gave him the name of the guy who bought the boat. This should end the it never happened game and all the guilty parties can lick their wounds and get on with their lives. Seacrest out.
Nick what are you talking about?

little rowe boat
08-03-2005, 01:30 PM
Sorry,I read back a little further and now I understand.

Supultlbich
08-03-2005, 01:59 PM
Sorry it had to go this far, no one was ever supposed to get offended, just opinions on the subject. I hope that we can all put this thing to bed and move on.

Dribble
08-03-2005, 02:01 PM
thanks again everybody for your help, I think I have narrowed it down to the Shockwave 25 foot walk through and the Ultra, now it's time to do some more research and figure out which one is just right and at the right price.
Bottom line after all of this drama is that you narrowed it down to two of the best boats for the money that are out there.

voodoomedman
08-03-2005, 03:12 PM
Good choices. What kind of water are you running? Big lakes?
The Ultra is lower freeboard has a lesser deadrise, and is a bit lighter. Also not as long and more cab-forward in orientation. Cab forward's put more weight forward and create a little more of a bumpy ride for the driver.
The Shockwave is a large 25' boat. Sizable freeboard, 100 inch beam, 24 degree bottom, not cab forward, and tons of interior room. Handles big water great and runs 68-73 on the top end with a stock 496 package (depending on if its an HO and what options you have in it)
Good luck on your search make it fun!
Ultra has a 100" beam and Shockwave has a 98" per their websites. The cab forward design in the Ultra gives tons of room in the cockpit with rear facing seats for skiing or tubing. The only thing that suffers is a bit of headroom in the cuddy but no one ever sits down there. I had them put an ice chest on one side in mine and if I were to do it again the other side would be some sort of integrated storage cuz that's where the food and bags go for easy access. Freeboard is good on the Ultra although you will probably have more in the Shockwave. The Ultra will break 70 (mine water tested at 75) but realistic numbers I saw 68 in the am on mojave with 6 adults 80 gallons of gas and full ice chest and other stuff. It handles the chop pretty damn good and I would venture to say your going to get on plane and have quicker acceleration than the Shockwave. Don't get me wrong. I think the Shockwaves are nice too but if your looking for a cuddy walk through the Ultra is the way to go in my humble opinion. If you wanted more room in the cuddy with it closed up or a closed bow with more room in the cabin then the Shockwave would probably be a better choice based on that criteria.

rivercrazy
08-03-2005, 03:25 PM
The 25 Shockwave is a 100" beam and the design translates into most of that being usable interior space. I've been next to a Ultra 24 in my 25 Shockwave. The Shockwave is substantially larger in length and freeboard. And its one of the very few mid 20 foot boats that you can standup in while driving / docking. Its designed as a bigger water boat. I can say that it handles big water like a much larger boat due its size, weight, and 24 degree bottom. But it still is very fast out of the hole, through the midrange and top end.
My personal boat is a closed bow/496HO and before I put on mufflers, I saw GPS numbers of a little over 72 with a light load. Now with mufflers, pretty full gas tanks, 3-4 peeps, I see a consistent 68, Not too bad for a boat of this size/weight and deep V bottom.

THOR
08-03-2005, 07:12 PM
The 25 Shockwave is a 100" beam and the design translates into most of that being usable interior space. I've been next to a Ultra 24 in my 25 Shockwave. The Shockwave is substantially larger in length and freeboard. And its one of the very few mid 20 foot boats that you can standup in while driving / docking. Its designed as a bigger water boat. I can say that it handles big water like a much larger boat due its size, weight, and 24 degree bottom. But it still is very fast out of the hole, through the midrange and top end.
My personal boat is a closed bow/496HO and before I put on mufflers, I saw GPS numbers of a little over 72 with a light load. Now with mufflers, pretty full gas tanks, 3-4 peeps, I see a consistent 68, Not too bad for a boat of this size/weight and deep V bottom.
Are you talking about my 24' you were next to? :cool: Mine is even smaller than the stealth but significantly faster. But, I have a 96" beam and weigh 3100 lbs.

dicudmore
08-04-2005, 06:50 AM
Are you talking about my 24' you were next to? :cool: Mine is even smaller than the stealth but significantly faster. But, I have a 96" beam and weigh 3100 lbs.
you know, I knew of a guy that had a 247 Walk-through open bow, and that boat was FAST for being all stock :D ;)

rivercrazy
08-04-2005, 08:20 AM
Hey Thor! I was parked next to a 24 Stealth a few times this season. Its a bit longer and slightly wider than you ride. Of all the Ultra's, I like the 247 the best. In fact, I was interested in buying one when DCB had those molds. But with the water only getting bigger, I decided to bite the bullet with the bigger boat.

Tommy1005
08-04-2005, 11:14 AM
I'm definitely on lakes that can get pretty rough, mainly Lake Travis and Lake LBJ here in TX, for any of you that know where I am.....so rough water ride is a fairly big piece of the boat puzzle for me......I sent shockwave an email, but haven't heard back from them, I kinda know where the Ultra stands as far as price, so now it's time to sit down and think about it.......oh yeah, both that I am looking at are the walk-through bowriders, not the cuddy-bowriders.....never been a big fan of the cuddy for some reason, not sure why.

voodoomedman
08-04-2005, 12:10 PM
I'm definitely on lakes that can get pretty rough, mainly Lake Travis and Lake LBJ here in TX, for any of you that know where I am.....so rough water ride is a fairly big piece of the boat puzzle for me......I sent shockwave an email, but haven't heard back from them, I kinda know where the Ultra stands as far as price, so now it's time to sit down and think about it.......oh yeah, both that I am looking at are the walk-through bowriders, not the cuddy-bowriders.....never been a big fan of the cuddy for some reason, not sure why.
From the pics on Shockwaves website it looks like if you get the walk through the walls are solid which means you have to get to storage space from under the seats. With the Ultra you can have it walk through but still have the seats on each side or ice chest or whatever. I'm sure the Shockwave handles water pretty well but that Ultra cuts the water nicely on Havasu on Saturdya's which might as well be the Ocean. It has a nice Delta pad to ride on so the handling in nice and solid with no squirelly characterisitics you can sometimes get from steps.

Tommy1005
08-04-2005, 12:12 PM
I'm also looking at a factory boat, heaven forbid......Crownline 225LPX with the 496HO in it will run about what these boats will and I know how it rides in the rough, a friend of mine has one with the 502 in it. We'll see what I end up getting, thanks again for all you help and insight