NJBA ...Camping fees

[Lookin for Liquid]

Why is it NJBA will charge camping fee's for big trailers when you do not use them for camping and spend 400 dollars up the hill as well

[BUSBY]

If it's just a trailer, like an enclosed trailer ... there is no charge. If it's an RV trailer w/ sleeping, shower, living room & all ... Kern county charges the club and we charge you. So it's $80 for a camping trailer.
Brian

[Lost Wages]

The problem here is that Kern County only charges $50 for the weekend, and of course NJBA has to be greety and charge an additional $30.
Brian, I do appreciate your efforts, however it seems that NJBA can give a shit about the racers. The boat count continues to drop, the fees continue to rise and the payouts are steadily decreasing. It's a very unfortunate situation because the venue at Bakersfield could be awesome, especially with all the problems over at IHBA.

[BUSBY]

Actually, you are uneducated on the subject ... the county charges a $30 fee and NJBA charges $50. No different than IHBA. Have you checked out how much they are charging for things? Pit vehicle charges, tow off charges, etc. ...we don't want to compare the two clubs.
The whole reason we have had to become as you call "greedy" is because there are so called "trustworthy" racers and spectators who are always dodging out on paying ANY fees to the county for their rigs and it was starting to get out of control. We started charging so we could get rid of extra rigs & spectators who were bringing their RV's in and freeloading on the club.
Now, you're telling me that a racer, who has invested at minimum $20k to $30k in their boat, probably $25k at minimum for an RV or travel trailer & another $1k to come out in fuel travel expenses who usually pays at least $100 per night (usually for at least 2 nights) cannot afford a $50 motorhome pass to help support their club?
Please!
IMO, that is what is wrong with the situation. No one is willing to step up and volunteer, help the club grow or anything. All they want to do is bitch about a unfortunate situation and try to make it worse.
People like you and the opinion you have piss me off. If you think you can fix the situation because you have all of the answers ... please come on down and help us poor idiots out.
Everyone is quick to say how jacked up things are in both organizations, however, no one wants to help & part with any money to make it better. If you only knew how much I have personally invested to try to make it better (without bitching or reimbursement).
So, if you think asking for a motorhome fee is being "greedy" ... why don't you do us the favor and stay home, that is not the type of sportsmanship we are looking for in our organization.
If you would like to speak to me personally, my phone number is (714) 448-4345.
Brian Busby

[Jet Hydro]

Now, you're telling me that a racer, who has invested at minimum $20k to $30k in their boat, probably $25k at minimum for an RV or travel trailer & another $1k to come out in fuel travel expenses who usually pays at least $100 per night (usually for at least 2 nights) cannot afford a $50 motorhome pass to help support their club?
Brian Busby
WOW
I`ll tell you that if it were I,
I`d turn my shit around and go back home if "you" wanted to charge me to stay with my race boat!
I have only paid one time to stay in the pits and it was with CSDBA. I told myself that if I ever have to pay again, I`ll keep my entry fee money and drive back to the lake at home. It`s a rip-off to charge racers to stay with their boats. We are the SHOW and with out us you have no race. Go a head and bend over the racer that spent a minimum of $20k to $30k in their boat, $25k at minimum for an RV or travel trailer & another $1k to come out in fuel travel expenses and see where the racers go. Use your head people, haven't the racers spent enough money to support the promoters already? :devil:

[wsuwrhr]

WOW
I`ll tell you that if it were I,
I`d turn my shit around and go back home if "you" wanted to charge me to stay with my race boat!
I have only paid one time to stay in the pits and it was with CSDBA. I told myself that if I ever have to pay again, I`ll keep my entry fee money and drive back to the lake at home. It`s a rip-off to charge racers to stay with their boats. We are the SHOW and with out us you have no race. Go a head and bend over the racer that spent a minimum of $20k to $30k in their boat, $25k at minimum for an RV or travel trailer & another $1k to come out in fuel travel expenses and see where the racers go. Use your head people, haven't the racers spent enough money to support the promoters already? :devil:
Take a look at where racing is headed, bakersfield raceway now going to MORE housing. More and more places to play with our toys are shutting down.
Come on. The spectators don't provide much revenue. Everyone has to pay something to help with costs of racing.
Brian
I will be bringing my Hondo out to river racer when I get it running, whenever that is. I will be happy to pay whatever it takes to camp out with the boat and other racers.

[Jet Hydro]

Yep, look at the cost of a racing program for a racer. Just like he said "minimum $20k to $30k in their boat" then you put "another $1k+ to come out in fuel travel expenses"
yea, tell me just how much we the racers have to spend???? They always ask why the lake guy`s wont come out and race their boats... hummmmm It`s the cost we the racers have to endure to support the promoters. I now race 2 to 3 races that cost me as much as a season use to cost.Yea I`v got money to burn, NOT!
We are the show that makes the money for the promoters but why not ask us to pay even more. ????
The cost is driving a lot of racers to the trailer as I`v seen in the last 5 years. You think what you want but I know what I see. I`ll stand my ground, "I will not pay money to stay in the pits with my set up" I pay all my fees to race but I`ll be damned if I pay for something that DOESN'T cost anyone anything other then myself. Just my $.02 and it`s not worth much as I`m only one racer in a large lake that`s getting smaller ever season do to cost.

[Lookin for Liquid]

If it's just a trailer, like an enclosed trailer ... there is no charge. If it's an RV trailer w/ sleeping, shower, living room & all ... Kern county charges the club and we charge you. So it's $80 for a camping trailer.
Brian
This was an enclosed trailer for towing the boat with a lounge in the front. My question is why do we have to pay for camping on the premises when we are not camping there but infact paying to stay up the hill. Seems like double dipping tp me. There are more issues that surround this subject like the lady threatening to have us escorted off if we did not pay right then and now on Sat morning. Although we were the only 200 mph boat there that weekend for test n tune we feel there are certain ways to handle things and threats are not accepted. Unfortunately you will probably never see us at an NJBA event again which is a lose lose situation judging by the boat count we observed

[BUSBY]

Well, I'm sorry to hear that Lookin', and if it is a boat trailer with a lounge only (no sleeping quarters) you can feel free to look me up and I will address the situation if you decide to come out again.
Jet Hydro ... I seriously question your logic. How much would you be spending in a hotel? Isn't that why racers get rigs that they can sleep in? To save money? If you cannot afford to help whatever racing organization to stay afloat, then you should probably stay home and not choose this sport, as you know, it's a sport where you'll never make any money in the end. It's a sport done for pure enjoyment only.
I will give you a little insight about NJBA since you do not run with us. We do not have "promoters" or large purses. We are a club, run by club members. We are not privately owned like other racing org.'s ... and we are a non-profit organization licensed by the State of California ... we have to verify all of our financial information yearly to keep this status.
So for you, or for anyone else who is on the outside looking in, saying that we (NJBA) are getting "greedy" or "trying to rape" the racers are ignorant to the situation. We are trying to keep it around ... for everyone.
If we want this club to stay in existance, all of it's members should step up and help out. People who chime in from time to time and gripe about how it sucks and how they will never come around again are part of the reason we do not have larger pay outs, attendance & spectators. I've said it before& I'll say it again: More boats bring more entry fees, more entry fees pay for more payouts, more payouts bring more boats, more boats bring more spectators, more spectators brings more revenue, more revenue brings even larger payouts, even larger payouts bring in even more boats, etc. etc. etc. (it's a never ending cycle ... and it goes the other way also, declining, declining, etc.).
So why not be part of the fix instead of the problem? (i.e.: I'm never going to help out, screw them they should do more for us because we are "The Show" ... FYI, in NJBA, all of us who are runnig the event are racing that weekend too and are "The Show" as well)
If you look at what NJBA does for you for the money that you are paying ... you are having a great time for a great price. If you look at it like, "I want more, and I am not going to help pay for it" ... you'll never be happy.
It's funny how all of the regular racers who truly enjoy "racing" at NJBA never complain about the fees. But the once and a while members do.
Again, in closing, you would probably be spending at least $200 to $250 for hotels ... so why not SAVE money and help out the club at the same time?
P.S. Lookin' ... we would love to have you back out and if it is what you say it is ... we can address that situation ... just find me, I am always around and available.
Brian

[Jet Hydro]

:hammerhea Oh well ,I gues you just dont get it.

[BUSBY]

well ... IMO the real question is, if you get it. I'm not here to argue with you or anyone else ... I just take offense when people gripe about stuff that 1)isn't factual & 2) makes it sound like the club is doing things to "cheat" it members.

[sdpm]

Hey,don't take it out on Brian!!! :mad: He loves this sport just like we all do and does way more for it ( at least for NJBA ) than anyone. I too am frustrated with costs, payouts, travel, hotels, etc. I think location (MING ) has alot to do with it. It is a great venue,but located in a lousy place. Bakersfield is a farm town! You could advertise all you wanted there and still get no spectators. Spectators is what we need. If we had alot of them, you would see alot more boats and fast boats at that. I don't think that most racers come and race for the money, I think they come to have fun and show off their goods!! :jawdrop: I love the people, the racing, and I love having people comming by and looking at my boat, trailer, set-up and everything. I know there are alot of boat racers and bench racers out there that it wouldn't take much to get them back into it, but driving to bakersfield don't appeal to many. I don't know what it would take either, but I do know that Brian is always doing and thinking of ways to improve it!! Give him some slack. Brian, we that know you back you 100%. Don't let these guys get to you. Keep up all the great and hard work you have done and do. I bet you that if we had a race at puddingstone and advertised it for 2 weeks in advance, you would see a full house of both boats and MONEY SPENDERS!! Look at the Hydroplane / Drag Boat races in San Diego that are comming up. Try and get a motorhome spot there right now!! Never happen. They have been sold out for months. A spot will run you $500.00 to $1200.00 for 3 days!! These people don't even really come for the races as much as they do for the party, but is is packed never the less. Just a thought?? :idea:

[BUSBY]

Thanks Neil ... and I don't mean to get fired up here ... but it really irks me when stuff like this is said.
If most knew of the rigs we were running, they would understand. I spend probably $2k a weekend to goto Ming ... and I will not do it with IHBA ... as it would cost me more! I know that I will be spending the $80 to stay in the pits when I could be reimbursed for getting a room from NJBA for my job ... but I don't ... that would be unfair to the club ... so if other board members &I can get more for free yet decide to pay to help out instead ... don't say that we are getting greedy and/or cheating the racers.
I pull my $60k 45' trailer, with my $50k truck, taking my $45k boat to my $2k weekend of racing to hear in between my runs that we are doing a crappy job and ripping off the other racers in the process? All over $50? Give me a break. And, we're volunteers! :squiggle:
Again Neil, thanks for the kind words ... it's not all fun all of the time ... but as Jet Hydro said, "I must not get it".
Brian
P.S. ... Don Jones, Mike Finnegan & I are getting together to look at the Elsinore site next week for a possible venue next year ... I'll keep you posted. Thanx.

[Lookin for Liquid]

Well, I'm sorry to hear that Lookin', and if it is a boat trailer with a lounge only (no sleeping quarters) you can feel free to look me up and I will address the situation if you decide to come out again.
If we want this club to stay in existance, all of it's members should step up and help out. People who chime in from time to time and gripe about how it sucks and how they will never come around again are part of the reason we do not have larger pay outs, attendance & spectators. I've said it before& I'll say it again: More boats
P.S. Lookin' ... we would love to have you back out and if it is what you say it is ... we can address that situation ... just find me, I am always around and available.
Brian
Brian,
I appreciate your reply and will point out a few things. This trailer has a toilet compartment, a computer table and a couch, no bed, no sleeping compartment and no camping facilities, strictly full race oriented enviornment. Why would I spend 400 plus if we would stay in the "RV Trailer" .What does "address the situation" mean and don't get me wrong here as I might know what you are going thru as I was a Board Member for 8 years. My main complaint is how we were treated by a person that was not even on the Board. The money is not the main issue here, I can absorb whatever you dish out as I have spent a whole lot more than that in this sport having been doing it for 20+ years. You talk about boat counts, the count just went down over this situation. You talk about spectators, and this is not dissin the bracket boats at all, I have been there for many years and respect them tremendously, I would hope a 200 mph boat might generate that, at least that is what NJBA used to advertise in Bakersfield on the radio advertisements. Bottom line this was handled the wrong way and pissed off more people than just myself at the time.

[sdpm]

They have water in KANSAS? :jawdrop: I thought they only had tornados!! I love you Dorthy! Hi Toto. There's no place like home. Jet Hydro, we love your show :D It's a west coast thing :boxingguy

[Jet Hydro]

BUSBY I know how clubs work, I also know how races work. I`v been every thing from a race sponsor to race promoter. I`m a member of 5 racing org`s as of right now! 3 of them are clubs. 2 of those 3 are nonprofit. Your not going to tell me anything I don't already know about clubs and racing. I race Supercross races,Hair Scrambles, Flat Track, IMCA Mods (Dirt Track), Drag Cars and Drag Boats.
Drag Boats are the only place where we are asked to "pay" to stay over night. hummmmmmm WTF
I`v been racing something most of my life and I have never been asked to pay to camp at a race site till 2000 when I did my first Drag boat race. Most race promoters are happy to do what ever it takes to get racers to show up. I use to get paid show up money and motel just to race my monster truck
link --- http://monsterphoto.iwarp.com/warwagcar.htm
Yea, I don't know squat about racing or what it takes to set-up races. You just keep thinking the way you are and with the cost of everything going up we`ll see how many boats you have in a few more years.
I`m glad your so damn rich!!!! How`s about sponsoring me for a few races? You seem to have more then enough money.
I`v said all I`m gonna say about this topic. I race with the Drag Boat org that takes care of it`s racers and I`m happy with the way they treat us "ramp clutter". They want racers at their races and that's why I`ll drive 12 hours to do one of theirs.
I`m not dogging you or your org, I just don't agree with charging "the racers" to camp out with their set-up, don't take it the wrong way! Like I said I`m just one racer and I dont have money to burn!!!

[Jet Hydro]

It's a west coast thing :boxingguy
I`m sure of that :rolleyes: :) lol

[BUSBY]

What does "address the situation" mean
"Adressing the situation" means that I would get the Ranger over there (because they are the ones who give us the license plate numbers who they think ar the campers and charge NJBA because of that) and prove that your trailer was only a transporter and lounge. I have to do it for 3 or 4 others & I would do it for you also.
don't get me wrong here as I might know what you are going thru as I was a Board Member for 8 years. .
I'm not aiming any of this at you ... others have spoken up and I am replying to them and them only ...
My main complaint is how we were treated by a person that was not even on the Board..
I appologize for what you might have experienced ... all I can say is that I will try to rectify the situation ... I don't like to turn away anyone who wants to race ... as long as we can accomodate them.
The money is not the main issue here, I can absorb whatever you dish out as I have spent a whole lot more than that in this sport having been doing it for 20+ years
I agree ... you know as well as I do, we aren't going to become rich while participating in this sport!
You talk about boat counts, the count just went down over this situation. You talk about spectators, and this is not dissin the bracket boats at all, I have been there for many years and respect them tremendously, I would hope a 200 mph boat might generate that, at least that is what NJBA used to advertise in Bakersfield on the radio advertisements. Bottom line this was handled the wrong way and pissed off more people than just myself at the time.
I know that NJBA is trying to make this a safe and popular sport. Unfortunately, not all decisions will be popular with all racers. One of the decisions that NJBA made was to cap hydro's speed ... we lost about 5 racers due to that (that I know for a fact) ... they almost lost me as well. But, I figured that I loved the sport too much.
I know that I can run 185 to 190 in an open boat ... shoot I run as close as I can to break the rules ... but the club has laid down rules for me to follow. So I follow them.
Lookin' ... I respect that you've been in the position I am in now ... you should know that we are tryin' and not rippin' racers off ...
BUSBY I know how clubs work, I also know how races work. I`v been every thing from a race sponsor to race promoter. I`m a member of 5 racing org`s as of right now! 3 of them are clubs. 2 of those 3 are nonprofit. Your not going to tell me anything I don't already know about clubs and racing.
Well … you’re members must be much better member than the members that we have … members that support your org with $$$ to make it affordable, unfortunately, real estate in California costs a bit more than in the mid west … and there are a lot fewer lakes … so maybe we do not have the luxury of being so cheap as your org’s do
Most race promoters are happy to do what ever it takes to get racers to show up. I use to get paid show up money and motel just to race my monster truck
Again … you forget … and I forgive you for being from a well to do organization … we are a club and do not have promoters … we race as a club … and the club members are the ones who pay the purses/fees … forgive us if we do not want to pay for other’s hotel fees and “show up” money
Yea, I don't know squat about racing or what it takes to set-up races. You just keep thinking the way you are and with the cost of everything going up we`ll see how many boats you have in a few more years.
All drag boat clubs/org’s are in risk of being wiped from the face of the earth … if you are trying to say that the NJBA is the only club/org that is in trouble … you’re kidding yourself …
I`m glad your so damn rich!!!! How`s about sponsoring me for a few races? You seem to have more then enough money.
I might have money enough to keep myself racing … but that is why I work so damn hard … and I sponsor 3 other race boats, 2 Busch Grand National cars & 2 Top Alcohol Dragsters who run NHRA … and I would consider any sponsorship request … unfortunately, you have the wrong attitude for the Busby Motorsports team.
I`v said all I`m gonna say about this topic. I race with the Drag Boat org that takes care of it`s racers and I`m happy with the way they treat us "ramp clutter". They want racers at their races and that's why I`ll drive 12 hours to do one of theirs.
Again … I agree … maybe you don’t have what it takes to run with NJBA
I`m not dogging you or your org, I just don't agree with charging "the racers" to camp out with their set-up, don't take it the wrong way! Like I said I`m just one racer and I dont have money to burn!!!
I’m not takin’ it the wrong way … I’m takin’ it the way you are sayin’ … that $50 is too much to spend to camp out
And to everyone else ... lets not turn this into anything other than what it is, a difference of opinion.

[SUI-CY-COLE DIMARCO]

I might have money enough to keep myself racing … but that is why I work so damn hard … and I sponsor 3 other race boats, 2 Busch Grand National cars & 2 Top Alcohol Dragsters who run NHRA … and I would consider any sponsorship request … unfortunately, you have the wrong attitude for the Busby Motorsports team.
wow!!!!!..you must be loaded....can i fill out a sponsor request form? :cool:

[BUSBY]

wow!!!!!..you must be loaded....can i fill out a sponsor request form? :cool:
I didn't say I owned the teams :squiggle:
We just sponsor other racers (friends and family) ... Jet Hydro was asking and unfortunately, I had to say no.

[Jet Hydro]

I didn't say I owned the teams :squiggle:
We just sponsor other racers (friends and family) ... Jet Hydro was asking and unfortunately, I had to say no.
I really wasn't asking,unfortunately I was being a "smart ass" :)
I have a few people wanting to sponsor me right now that I haven't committed to yet. Not that I`d tell you "NO" right off the bat, but I dont see it working out because unfortunately, YOU have the wrong attitude about the racers. I race to have fun and BS with old friends not see how much money I can flash around :rolleyes: :rollside:

[slotracer]

i think its time to bring out the popcorn and take a seat. :eat:
pat(slotracer) :hammer2:

[Oldsquirt]

I might have money enough to keep myself racing … but that is why I work so damn hard … and I sponsor 3 other race boats, 2 Busch Grand National cars & 2 Top Alcohol Dragsters who run NHRA … and I would consider any sponsorship request … unfortunately, you have the wrong attitude for the Busby Motorsports team.
Hmmm....any connection to the Busby Motorsports located a few minutes from me here in NorCal?

[BUSBY]

not flashing anything around ... and our whole family is into racing ...
The Nor Cal Busbys is a different family all together ... we are in Orange County, So Cal as well as throughout Texas and Oklahoma ...
And, this has obviously taken a turn in the wrong direction. I will be the bigger person and appologize to Jet Hydro. I doun't know you at all ... you might be a great guy and a great race supporter.
I just took offense to some of you guys taking shots at the NJBA and trying to make it sound like we (as board members) were trying to rip off the racers.
Again, Jet Hydro ... lets get over this and move on ... it's taking up too much of our time. We're here to BS with frinds like yu say ... not flex our muscles to see who is right. Have a good weekend.
Brian

[Jeanyus]

I raced (River Racer) 1 time at lake Ming last year, and barring any more family medical problems, will race again, September and October.
I had a great time, and love the event. When you consider all the work that has to be done, and that all the workers are volenteers. You have to say to yourself these people are great!
Let me say THANK YOU! To all the people responsible for putting on the race, keep up the good work.
We appreciate the time that you spend, to make it work.
I'm sorry that you have to put up with the long distance whineing.
Stop by and see me, in September, so I can thank you in person, I'll be the guy who is grining from ear to ear.
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/5859ronandjim.jpg

[BUSBY]

I'll be lookin' for you and thanks ...
Brian

[Jet Hydro]

Brian I accept and I also apologize. I myself just take offense when a "board member" or a "promoter" make statements implying that the racers don't already do enough. I know I do all that I can do for booth. And way, back to the paint room for me, I hate working on my weekends ...errrrrrrrrrrr

[flattie440]

hey brian,
this is shane from the INFLIGHT BGF team we gave you the head gaskets at the last race.. anyways i was just at the RVR here this last weekend and my dad and were at bluewater for about an hour checking it out. we think it would work pretty good for a boat race.. not sure if u guys have thought about that at all but i think it would be a great place to race again. Also not sure about irvine again we talked to the owner at the last regatta and sounds like he would like to get some kind of racing program back in there if the city would let him....they said if the regattas went good then they would concider racing there.

[Willis]

Jeanyus
:messedup:
We do think we are doing what we can with funds we have to work with and we are actively looking for other places to race.
Willis

[flattie440]

right on...thought it would be neat to go back and race there...it's pretty cool when u drive into parker and on the side of a store it says HOME OF THE NJBA and its been i'm guessing at least 20 years!!

[BUSBY]

Shane ... as Willis said, "we are actively looking for other places to race" ... and I agree with you ... Parker is kick ass!!!
we are looking for other venues ... every time I pull into Parker, I see the same sign you were seeing ...and it brings back memories ... from the 1980's ... we should think about taking the races back to the river ... but I am only one board member ... all of the club members need to speak up ... otherwise we will be stuck in Bakersfield forever.
And ... as a secondary issue ... you're team rocks (you're dad and everyone involved) ... you guys kept me int the points championship ... and I will never be able to thank you enough!
To everyone out there ... Shane, his Dad Steve & Tony rock! They helped me when I didn't deserve it. I was in need ... and they came through ... even though I made a decision during the previous race that hurt their engine.
You guys are too cool ... you supplyed me with head gaskets when I blew mine after I was an as*hole to you during the previous race. That showed me that you guys were true blue racers ... not taking anything personal ... after speaking to Ralph Gorr, I found out that you guys were one of "us" ... and I will forever be grateful ...
To all of you that do not understand the So Cal Drag Racing friendships ... being one of "us" means you are "in there" & will be taken care of ...
Again ... to Steve, Shane & Tony ... I would not be in the points lead without your help ... and I thank you.
Brian

[UBFJ #454]

Brian -
"otherwise we will be stuck in Bakersfield forever."
With the housing developement going on around around Lake Ming ... I doubt that's gonna happen.
Evidence ... Look what's happened over at the Raceway. At some point, people are going to start complaining to the Board of Supervisors about the Sat. & Sun. noise on the Ming ... Housing provides more of a Tax Base and Voter Support than Drag Boat Races.

[BUSBY]

You hit the nail on the head!

[haulina29]

Thats a intersting comment I raced in with the NJBA in the 80s and the buzz was just think if we could get Ming as our track instead of Bluewater LMAO having raced both places there is no comparison , Ming is on Parker . Remember the hassels with the Indians nothing compared to a few buck dispute over camping . You wont have anymore boats at Bluewater , and you will have a hole that Ming doesnt have :rollside:

[Lookin for Liquid]

[QUOTE=haulina29]Thats a intersting comment I raced in with the NJBA in the 80s and the buzz was just think if we could get Ming as our track instead of Bluewater LMAO having raced both places there is no comparison , Ming is on Parker . Remember the hassels with the Indians nothing compared to a few buck dispute over camping . You wont have anymore boats at Bluewater , and you will have a hole that Ming doesnt have :rollside:[/QUOTE
Ahh the old left lane half track hole

[Moneypitt]

If the county charges $30. per night to camp in the pits then that is what racers should pay. Not a penny more. If I was racing in a group/club/organization that padded the camp fees I would be long gone. The club doesn't own the campground that has become the pits for the weekend. The entry fees paid to the club should also cover the use of the pits, day or night. What if a team were thrashing all night to change motors or repair a hull, are you going to charge them a camping fee? Leave the camping fees as low as possible, county fees only......Oh, don't forget the alcohol permit required by the county for your group, (up to 6 people) $25. I think. I have raced in APBA/SCSC for years and Ming is the ONLY place chickens&#t enough to charge racers to stay in the pits. Now I hear that NJBA pads this cost? WTF.........Let the racers pay the ranger, keep NJBA out of camping fees, Period.........MP

[bp]

there are other reasons njba charges for camping fees, which brian already alluded to. kern charges, and they only allow us "campers" to stay overnight at the track on race weekends; the rest of the time there is no overnight camping at the lake, only up on the hill.
steve, dragboat racing is now, and always will be more expensive in california than anywhere else in the country. the costs associated are just not the same anywhere else. there's even a big difference between red bluff and chowchilla.
and, contrary to popular opinion, from what i've seen i don't think ihba is having too many problems, at least from red bluff chowchilla and marble falls. there were at least 140+ boats at marble falls, and chowchilla was very successful according to lionbob. we need to support our clubs and race when there are races. i support my club AND ihba - i'm a racer, not a politician.

[BUSBY]

there are other reasons njba charges for camping fees, which brian already alluded to. kern charges, and they only allow us "campers" to stay overnight at the track on race weekends; the rest of the time there is no overnight camping at the lake, only up on the hill.
Thanks for your input Bob ... you (as a dual club racer) truly know what is going on and I appriciate your input.
we need to support our clubs and race when there are races. i support my club AND ihba - i'm a racer, not a politician.
Thanks...
Edit: I came back and edited this post this morning because I didn't want to give the others more ammo ... it's not worth my time to argue about it ...

[bp]

brian and liquid, i'm not trying to make this into more or less than it is. i've been motorhoming it out there for 5 years, so i have seen the evolution first hand with every race. the kern rangers have gone from one extreme to the other, to counting every box with wheels under it and then providing a "bill" to the njba board for each and every trailer/motorhome that "looks" like it could have been slept in without ever knowing whether it was or not. then, of course, there's the inevitable recount which might exclude one or two boxes, or not, and the bill must be paid. there are other things that have gone on that have affected the fees too.
sometimes, this just seems like it is a hassle, but we try and deal with it as best we can. it might be better if everything were handled up front, but you just don't know what the rangers are going to do or say. as brian stated, most of the time these things have to be addressed on an individual basis to appease the rangers. at the end of it, it still costs the club and above all we need to maintain the relationship to maintain the site.
steve, we do not have the lattitude that many other race sites have. that's just the way it is, and we want to race.

[BUSBY]

Thanks Bob ... you (as I said) know how it is ... and it's not a fun dealio ...
See you in about a month! :D

[WHITIE]

So, if you think asking for a motorhome fee is being "greedy" ... why don't you do us the favor and stay home, that is not the type of sportsmanship we are looking for in our organization.
If you would like to speak to me personally, my phone number is (714) 448-4345.
Brian Busby[/QUOTE]
What a ****ing ignorant responce jackass!!!! How in the hell are you going to get any racers out to a NJBA race when you get someones opinion about the organization and then you tell them to stay home!! Keep up the good work and you will have about 10 boats there if you keep this attitude..

[Jetboatguru]

Brian,
I think the problem with charging $50 after the KCBC already charges $30 was there was no explanation what so ever about why there is a $50 charge. All they say at the meeting is NJBA is also charging $50 period. So to most people it just plain wreaks of soaking the racers. As far as the comment about "if you can't afford a measly $50 dollars " goes, remember it is $80. People bought their trailers so they could stay at the track and not pay hotel fees.
You made the comment that you would not race IHBA because it is more money. I would just like to know where you ascertained this. The IHBA entry fee is $275. You do not have to pay a camper fee and you stand a chance to win $1,000. Not giving props to IHBA or dissing NJBA, just stating facts. It is $250 for NJBA if you pre reg or 325 at the track. I think we could call that a wash.
To tell someone that has a legitimate gripe about the camping fees that they can stay home and you don't need their type is excessive and out of line. These are people that at minimum bring two boats to each race and sign up for two classes as well. Our group of friends that race have decided that we would not run the NJBA because of the "little things" that have added up. The number of boats that we brought with us to each race totals 6 now you can add the Lost Wages and Fightin Whitey teams for a total of 8. 8 x $325 =$2600 per race. X 6 races = $15,600 in revenue for the club. That is a substantial hit. Sure we may hit a race or two over the year.
You are right, there are a lot of non racing spectators that park inside the pits with there trailers or motorhomes. They should be charged by KCBC and NJBA absolutely. But to charge a racer for having a self contained trailer even if they don't stay in it is just wrong.
Tony
you can call me anytime as well 707 330-7374

[BUSBY]

Tony ...
I agree with most of your post ... but as you know ... opinions are like ... anyways ...
well you know how the saying goes ...
I'm not one to make the rules ... but, I have been asked to enforce them.
Like my mentor, Don Jones, I try to be fair.
With all of the situations at hand, I can only enforce the rules that the board has set in place ... and I'm sure that you're aware of how that can be.
As far as the camping fee ... I beleive this is a stupid conversation ... a $50 fee for 3 days (at minimum) is CHEAP!
If someone is planning on going racing ... and has not calculated on how much their lodging might be ... they have not looked into how much racing might really cost. Which means that they have not really calculated how much their racing weekend is going to cost them.
While I know for a fact that you know what the costs of racing are ... others need to figure that it might be cheaper to stay in the pits (while helping us keep the club alive) rather than stay at a hotel costing them at least $150 more ...
And ... as I have said ... this thread has cost me more time and trouble than it's worth ... but I still think that the $50 is cheap to camp out ... I pay it & I'm proud to support my club
To each his own though right?

[Jetboatguru]

Brian,
nobody is putting the blame on you personally. Your job with the NJBA is thankless as you are the enforcer of rules. When you look at $50 for camping it is cheap when you compare it to a hotel. But when a racer looks at the big picture and realizes that NJBA is the only racing club, org, etc in the country charging it than it leaves a sour taste. Like I said earlier, if somebody on the NJBA board wold have just explained at the drivers meeting that this is to keep the club above water, I don't think you would have such an uproar right now.
As Liquid Dan described in his post the Park Rangers are part of the problem as they have no problems just walking into your trailer to get paid. One of our members was arrested when he took offense to this.
Tony

[Lookin for Liquid]

Brian,
I don't believe you have answered my original question so I will ask again, "Why are we being charged a camping fee when we are not using our trailers for camping". As far as the $50 charge goes if you re read my post I said "My main complaint is the way it was handled by someone not even on the board with threats, not the money aspect".
I to will agree with you and also say that this is a stupid conversation due to the fact there is no answer to a simple question.

[Moneypitt]

$50. + $30. X 3 = $140. vs $90. actual camping fees. Does the club add $50. to each racer's hotel bill? That would really boost the clubs revenues, of course there would be such an uproar, and mass exodus from the club's events that the message would be heard. The Ming fees, and the way they are collected, are bad enough. Ming is the ONLY venue that charges racers to stay in the pits, Ming is the ONLY venue that searches racer's ice chests for booze/beer, (without a permit, alcohol possession is a stout fine). There are so many negetives about Ming, and if you add this BS $50. fee to racers sleeping in the pits, well, that is just the "pits". Add the $50. to everyone that stays near the race, hotel, motel, side of the road, or in the pits, or don't ask anyone to pay it. All or none...........MP

[BigBlockOldsJet]

$50. + $30. X 3 = $140
I always thought that 50 + 30 x 3 equaled 240, looks as though I should have attended the Dexter Manley's school of math as well, I could have saved a hundred bucks.

[bp]

Brian,
I don't believe you have answered my original question so I will ask again, "Why are we being charged a camping fee when we are not using our trailers for camping". As far as the $50 charge goes if you re read my post I said "My main complaint is the way it was handled by someone not even on the board with threats, not the money aspect".
I to will agree with you and also say that this is a stupid conversation due to the fact there is no answer to a simple question.
the simple answer to that is: there is no reason to charge you $50 if you are not sleeping in it. however, you -may- be charged 30 by kc -if- the ranger (and it depends on which ranger is out there that day) concludes that you "could" be sleeping in it?
what i tried to say before is that this has cycled many times. don't get me wrong, i've been severely irritated by this myself. there have been periods where we pay the rangers directly; they come to the rv, we pay the 25 (now 30), they give us a sticker to put in the window. then, for whatever reason (i guess the rangers didn't want to deal directly), the rangers just started counting and presented the club with the bill. since then, one board member has taken over the collections and has been the sole contact to pay the rangers.
point being; if the ranger "counts" a trailer as one that -could- be slept in by looking at it, with or without asking, he WILL present a bill to the board member including that trailer in the count. when the board member goes around to validate the count, it would seem that in some cases they just accepted what the ranger stated without question. if you're not sleeping in the trailer, the board member should accept that as fact; if the ranger will not accept that, we're still obligated to a $30 fee.
i don't know if this answers the questions or not. brian is not the board member that handles this. i know for a time, the rv passes were being taken care of at registration, but that hasn't happened for several races. there should be a knowledgeable board member at registration to answer any questions regarding trailers/rvs at the track.

[BUSBY]

Mike Fry is in charge of the motorhome/trailer passes ... there is no secret here about that. Since he started racing again ... usually it's his wife who is going around collecting the fees.
The reason that the club stopped collecting the fee at registration, gate & tower (you used to be able to pay at all three) is because there were so many situations of "no way man ... I paid it over at xxx" (xxx being wherever they said). Ther was too much time being taken up by tracking it down and trying to see if there was any truth to the situation.
Bob is right 100% ... the Ranger is presenting a bill to the club, and we collect off of that bill. As I said before Liquid... I cannot go back in time and answer your question ... but if there is a question about it in the future, I will try to assist.
If you are speaking about Mike's wife as the person who isn't on the board that is collecting the fees ... she is only one of two people who are authorized to collect them. If the club has been presented with your trailer number ... that is why she is there.
I hope that addresses your question.
Tony ... I agree. We should have presented it in a better fashion.
Money ... only the Rangers/Security inspect for alcohol ... and Rex (Childers) was not making enough money by selling beer at the races to pay him back for his investment in getting the permit (because everyone was bringing in their own beer) ... believe me, I am never one to turn away a nice cold one ... that is one issue I bring up at every meeting, "how do we get a permit for the next race". But someone who has a liquor license has to apply ... not the club. That's our problem there.
I know none of this is directed at me personally ... I'm just trying to answer questions and/or concerns so they will not be seen as "falling on deaf ears".
But it seems like this is a never-ending difference of opinions. The fee is in place and isn't going away. Maybe we should start charging a tow off fee, pit vehicle fee, etc. like another org does?

[Jet Hydro]

So, if you think asking for a motorhome fee is being "greedy" ... why don't you do us the favor and stay home I think that was for me, and I`m gonna do just that! :umm:
.

[Moneypitt]

If the permit for the club doesn't include alcohol,(sales), then each group can go to town and get a permit for up to 6 people, (must be named) for the weekend. I think it was $25. APBA/SCSC doesn't allow alcohol (openly) in the pits during racing hours, so the KC permit was only for after racing for the day. Another point, if the booze is inside a coach/motorhime/trailer, and consumed inside, no permit is required by the KC rangers. Failure to get the permit, and having 1 beer in your outdoor ice chest will cost you. Seems Brad Allerton had to pay a few hundred dollars!!!......MP

[BUSBY]

I think that was for me, and I`m gonna do just that! :umm:
.
No ... it was in response to Lost Wages' post ... he was saying that we as a club were getting "greedy" (post #3)
And the second half of my sentence was ignored by most, "that's not the type of sportsmanship we're looking for"
We (or maybe just me) want a positive racers ... who are willing to do what it takes to make it happen ...
This is not directed toward anyone ... at least not by me. I'm just tryin' here ... tryin' to make it a better club. Some don't see it that way though ... I guess they think I'm tryin' to run people off. That's not my intention at all.

[BUSBY]

If the permit for the club doesn't include alcohol,(sales), then each group can go to town and get a permit for up to 6 people, (must be named) for the weekend. I think it was $25. APBA/SCSC doesn't allow alcohol (openly) in the pits during racing hours, so the KC permit was only for after racing for the day. Another point, if the booze is inside a coach/motorhime/trailer, and consumed inside, no permit is required by the KC rangers. Failure to get the permit, and having 1 beer in your outdoor ice chest will cost you. Seems Brad Allerton had to pay a few hundred dollars!!!......MP
I'm going to look into that ... because I have been told it isn't allowed at all ... thanks for the input.
Brian

[BUSBY]

I just looked into other fees we could have implemented ... as IHBA has ...
Failure to Clean Pit Area $25 minimum
Bypassing Staging $1,000
Failure to have a damaged boat re-inspected prior to re-entering water $1,000
Failure to have parts, hull, and/or capsule inspected by Tech after an accident $1,000
Disconnecting, overriding, or attempting to defeat any safety related rule or item $1,000
Failure to clear the racecourse $50
Protest Fee $250
I still don't understand it ... everyone loves to bash us ... but will put up with the politics and overcharging over there ... just to have a chance to win $$$ ... how much $$$ does it cost you to win that money?
And you guys say we are getting greedy. :notam:

[BUSBY]

and BTW ... those were cut & pasted right out of IHBA's rulebook ...
http://www.ihbaracing.com/pdf/05rules.pdf

[Lookin for Liquid]

[QUOTE=bp]the simple answer to that is: there is no reason to charge you $50 if you are not sleeping in it. however, you -may- be charged 30 by kc -if- the ranger (and it depends on which ranger is out there that day) concludes that you "could" be sleeping in it?
No reason to charge but you may be charged.??????????
It sounds to me like a communication problem with K.C. Rangers that nobody has taken the time to address

[Lookin for Liquid]

I just looked into other fees we could have implemented ... as IHBA has ...
Failure to Clean Pit Area $25 minimum
Bypassing Staging $1,000
Failure to have a damaged boat re-inspected prior to re-entering water $1,000
Failure to have parts, hull, and/or capsule inspected by Tech after an accident $1,000
Disconnecting, overriding, or attempting to defeat any safety related rule or item $1,000
Failure to clear the racecourse $50
Protest Fee $250
I still don't understand it ... everyone loves to bash us ... but will put up with the politics and overcharging over there ... just to have a chance to win $$$ ... how much $$$ does it cost you to win that money?
And you guys say we are getting greedy. :notam:
And from a previous post (#4) you said you did not want to compare the two associations.

[Lost Wages]

All I can come up with is............... YOU JUST DON'T SEEM TO GET IT. Go read your post again and re-think your stupid ass statements.
If revenue is the problem then, why are you not worried about running racers off like myself.
The last I checked, my trailer occupy's just as much space as the neighbor's 34' non living headquartered tag next door. Unfortunatly, I sleep in my trailer from 11pm until 6am, therefore NJBA thinks $$$$$$$$$$. We can charge these people $50 for what......... them sleeping in the trailer????? Better yet, the neighbor on the otherside of me as a 24' tag with a matress up front. HMMMMM, good old njba, gonna get there greedy paws on them as well. Explain that one.
Once again, the problem here is not the $30 fee to Kern County. The common denominator is NJBA and $$$. People like yourself are the reason the boat count continues to drop. Educated statements such as,
"So, if you think asking for a motorhome fee is being "greedy" ... why don't you do us the favor and stay home, that is not the type of sportsmanship we are looking for in our organization"
represents your level of intelligence and the board at NJBA well. Keep up the good word, I'll be sure to spread around the positve feedback and information that an NJBA board member is passing around.

[BUSBY]

Have you checked out how much they are charging for things? Pit vehicle charges, tow off charges, etc. ...we don't want to compare the two clubs.
Just to quote myself ... I was using the term "we" as a collective term ... as in we here ... not we as in NJBA ...
we here don't want to go there and start comparing ... because IMO, and according to their fees ... they charge for way more than we ... NJBA ... do.
I forgot their license fees ... anywhere from $15 to $50 ...

[BUSBY]

All I can come up with is............... YOU JUST DON'T SEEM TO GET IT. Go read your post again and re-think your stupid ass statements.
Maybe I do maybe I don't ... but one thing is clear ... you're still not educated enough about the situation to be making full assumptions as to why we as a club are having to do the things we are ... so obviously, you aren't getting it either ... you're not looking at the big picture ... only yours.
If revenue is the problem then, why are you not worried about running racers off like myself. .
Well shoot ... why not just let you run for free? We are concerned about the revenue ... but you aren't listening. Where do you think the money goes to ... a bar tab? No, it goes right back into the races.
The last I checked, my trailer occupy's just as much space as the neighbor's 34' non living headquartered tag next door. Unfortunatly, I sleep in my trailer from 11pm until 6am, therefore NJBA thinks $$$$$$$$$$. We can charge these people $50 for what......... them sleeping in the trailer????? Better yet, the neighbor on the otherside of me as a 24' tag with a matress up front. HMMMMM, good old njba, gonna get there greedy paws on them as well. Explain that one. .
Again ... small picture ... yours. Think big picture. You're a racer, one who wants a better deal, a free ride. You still haven't come forward to let everyone know who you are ...
Once again, the problem here is not the $30 fee to Kern County. The common denominator is NJBA and $$$. People like yourself are the reason the boat count continues to drop. Educated statements such as,
"So, if you think asking for a motorhome fee is being "greedy" ... why don't you do us the favor and stay home, that is not the type of sportsmanship we are looking for in our organization" represents your level of intelligence and the board at NJBA well. Keep up the good word, I'll be sure to spread around the positve feedback and information that an NJBA board member is passing around.
Again ... not every club is for everyone, maybe ours isn't for you but you seem to come back ... maybe it is, but with such a negative attitude ... I don't think you like our ideas of what fair is. Being fair is sending somone their winner's fees in Comp Flat even though they didn't show up to the races the next time. How's that for being greedy and trying to rip someone off ... you didn't have a problem cashing that check.
Okay ... I'll play, let's look at what I said.
Actually, you are uneducated on the subject ... the county charges a $30 fee and NJBA charges $50. No different than IHBA. Have you checked out how much they are charging for things? Pit vehicle charges, tow off charges, etc. ...we don't want to compare the two clubs.
This portion was so you would start to know what you were actually talking about, you were the one who was incorrect about the fees
The whole reason we have had to become as you call "greedy" is because there are so called "trustworthy" racers and spectators who are always dodging out on paying ANY fees to the county for their rigs and it was starting to get out of control. We started charging so we could get rid of extra rigs & spectators who were bringing their RV's in and freeloading on the club.
As I said ... it was a quite a big problem ... now it's not. But then again, you didn't have to deal with it ... we did.
Now, you're telling me that a racer, who has invested at minimum $20k to $30k in their boat, probably $25k at minimum for an RV or travel trailer & another $1k to come out in fuel travel expenses who usually pays at least $100 per night (usually for at least 2 nights) cannot afford a $50 motorhome pass to help support their club?
I still think this is a valid question.
Please!
Again ... please!
IMO, that is what is wrong with the situation. No one is willing to step up and volunteer, help the club grow or anything. All they want to do is bitch about a unfortunate situation and try to make it worse.
Ummm ... nothing that I see as untrue ... guys like you are part of the reason that we have to deal with these types of situations.
People like you and the opinion you have piss me off. If you think you can fix the situation because you have all of the answers ... please come on down and help us poor idiots out.
You guys who do bit*h about things so small like this do bother me. You have everything to gripe about, yet never want to come up with any ideas or help.
Everyone is quick to say how jacked up things are in both organizations, however, no one wants to help & part with any money to make it better. If you only knew how much I have personally invested to try to make it better (without bitching or reimbursement).
Ummm ... still agree with what I wrote there ...
So, if you think asking for a motorhome fee is being "greedy" ... why don't you do us the favor and stay home, that is not the type of sportsmanship we are looking for in our organization.
Still my opinion ... would it be fun for me, other racers, your family, my family for you to come out and be unhappy and want to argue about a fee to allow you to camp with your boat? No ... not in my opinion. So I still think if you do not like what we have to offer ... maybe we aren't the club for you.
If you would like to speak to me personally, my phone number is (714) 448-4345.
I again invite anyone to speak about this ... I also invite you to attend our board meetings to help us out. Everyone seems to keep forgetting that this is your club too ... you have a voice ... why not use it in a better forum than this one ... why not at least write a letter ... come to the races and speak using your intelligence ... instead of hiding behind screen names and talking crap on a web site ...
I have spoken to other board members about this ... as well as other members ... I would have to say that all but one agree with the fee. Note: I said members to ... not just board members, club members.
From what I am understanding, non-club members are the ones griping here ... not the regulars who are camping out every race.
It's a shame that this small fee has caused this much conversation. Why not let everyone in for free ... cars, spectators, RV's, etc.
just a thought to assist in LW's small vision of what would be cool.

[Moneypitt]

I see a thread about the NJBA racing at Elsinore, great, except how much to sleep in a race trailer/motorhome there??.........MP

[BUSBY]

To be honest ... it's too soon for us to figure that out ... if I remember correctly, we were not allowed to camp there ... same as Chowchilla ... so it might not even be an issue.

[O.B eddie]

To be honest ... it's too soon for us to figure that out ... if I remember correctly, we were not allowed to camp there ... same as Chowchilla ... so it might not even be an issue. I do not race but I do know who lost wages is!! Look up N.J.B.A past races going back to 2001--02 to present.. And from what I am reading here Busby you clearly are not blessed with a positive attitude here! I do not race but if I did your response on this topic would detour me from the N.J.B.A.. I do have a question her.. If I were to bring my boat down on a regular road trailer with a blue porta potty as well as a mattress extended off the back. The ranger would charge me 30 dollars?? Correct?? The N.J.B.A would than charge me another 50?? So if my trailer were not equipped witha mattress or porta potty only a trailer to haul my boat I would not be charged? Sounds to me like these racers who have sleeping quarters in there trailers who stay in hotel's because there are NO HOOK UP's are being singled out!! By the ranger's- OK-- The n.j.b.a ?? This is the question.. And it is obvious there are more that are perturbed that are not on this forum, based on the boat count in all the classes this year!!! As a fan I have seen all the big names move on for ex: Darrin Chrystal who owned that T.A.H class for years was a fan favorite.. Oh well guess it let's the other guy's win once in a while!! HEE HAWW

[O.B eddie]

Wow after looking up on the n..j.b.a mr. Busby how long have you been with the organization?? And with that being said how long have you been on the board? Hee haww :confused:

[BUSBY]

Wow after looking up on the n..j.b.a mr. Busby how long have you been with the organization?? And with that being said how long have you been on the board? Hee haww :confused:
Well ... since you are asking ... 1 year. Race Director and Board member ... no secret there. Volunteer for 4 years.
How long have I been with the org? started attending in the early 80's ... started IHBA in 1992. Since 1999 haven't missed one race.
If you're questioning my qualifications ... do you think the Board would nominate me as Race Director if I didn't know what I was doing? Do you think the prior Race Director would support their decision?
From the general tone of your posts that I have read ... I could make assumptions as to your disposition also ... but I like to give people the benefit of the doubt. You're probably a great guy ... just one who likes to give others a ribbing.
As to the reference to my attitude ... why is it okay for others to come to these forums and be able to speak freely about how displeased they are and it's not okay for me to defend a club I truly enjoy.
You guys speak about how many people aren't on these boards who are unhappy w/ NJBA ... well, I have received numerous PM's telling me to ignore this and let it die. I'm sorry ... I like to stand up and let everyone know who I am and not hide from ones who like to tear down something a lot of people are working hard at keeping around.
I'm pretty sure I know who Liquid is ... and what he does ... but it's not my place to trash talk him ... he hasn't done anything other than ask an honest question.
The others who are ripping on myself and/or the board is who I am addressing ... and they are the ones who should step up and offer better ideas if they have them.
As to your reference to the port-a-potty trailer ... I know KC has required fees to be paid for campers in tents ... but we never collected from them. It was strictly Motorhome and/or vehicle pass.
Again ... I guess it's fine for you guys to come here and rip me a new one, but it's not okay for me to defend myself. Stand up guys.
With that ... I'm done ... you guys do or say whatever you want ... obviously you don't want to assist in helping, only stirring the pot to make the situation worse.
If you have some positive constructive critism about how we can get rid of the fees and still pay for everything that you're getting ... please forward it on to the board so it can be addressed.

[Bt273]

Is the club in the hole($) every time it runs and the extra $ that comes from the camping situation helps out? or does the extra $ go towards improvements, such as a better p.a. system(example)or whatever? It is explained what the fees are,but what do the proceeds go to. Is there something wrong with coming down to river race with an enclosed trailer to run your boat to see where you are at? I have seen in the past some of the big name boats have come down to run only one race,are they paying to join the club? or are they waived that because they are a better show? no pun intended,but this is a pretty bad situation here.

[Unchained]

I can't believe this has gone on so long and has got so intense.
This reminds me of employees bashing on the boss when they don't really know all of the costs and headaches involved in running a business.
I've been on the receiving end of that before.
I think Busby has had some good input since he started posting here and I wouldn't want to see him run and hide with his ass on fire like so many others have.
Constant bickering back and forth are bad for everyone and after a while the main subject becomes secondary to the damage of the bickering. I learned this from 30 yrs of marriage.

[O.B eddie]

[QUOTE=BUSBY]Well ... since you are asking ... 1 year. Race Director and Board member ... no secret there. Volunteer for 4 years.
My point exactly!! I am quite sure the power's to be would have something to say regarding your remark's on this thread!!!!!! And I am just a spectator.. :supp:

[Mrs. Meanstreak]

This was an enclosed trailer for towing the boat with a lounge in the front. My question is why do we have to pay for camping on the premises when we are not camping there but infact paying to stay up the hill. Seems like double dipping tp me. There are more issues that surround this subject like the lady threatening to have us escorted off if we did not pay right then and now on Sat morning. Although we were the only 200 mph boat there that weekend for test n tune we feel there are certain ways to handle things and threats are not accepted. Unfortunately you will probably never see us at an NJBA event again which is a lose lose situation judging by the boat count we observed
I am the lady who threatened to have you escorted off if you did not pay the motorhome fee that NJBA charges. It was not a "right then and there" situation as you stated (in an attempt to make NJBA look bad). I have the job of collecting all motorhome fees at each event. I approached your pit and asked for the motorhome fee that was due. I was told at that time to please come back as you were getting ready to warm up the boat to run. I was okay with that as many racers ask me the same. Not a problem! When I returned sometime later, after your run, I was then given the excuse that the owner was wondering around somewhere. I also at that time tried to collect fees for your truck with a camper shell on it (and yes in fact you were sleeping in it as we observed) and was asked by one of your wives, "can we just lower the top so we don't have to pay?" (Trying to get out of paying). I told her no that I would have to collect for that as well. At that point I left and came back a third time a short time later. This time everyone avoided me and the mrs. in your pit rudely told me that I would just have to come back later. It was at that point that I said that I would be back in 1 hour and if I did not get the fees from your team, I would have someone escort your team out of the premises. This could have all been avoided had you just paid the fees that you knew were due instead of trying to get out of something.
If you have a boat the goes 200mph (and it's not the only one at NJBA! hate to crush your ego!) then obviously you have a substantial cash flow in order to run it. Quite crying about paying the club $50.00 and parks and rec $30 for the weekend. As a matter of fact, if you don't like paying the required fees, there is a campground right up the hill that I'm sure you can rent a space at.
You are the only people that I had to threaten because everyone else, whether they like paying or not, has paid me without trouble. If you're going to be a hassle every time and cry about the fee every time then maybe it is better if you stay over there at IHBA and pay all of their fees instead! I'm not so sure that that is a lose lose situation for NJBA!

[Mrs. Meanstreak]

Well, I'm sorry to hear that Lookin', and if it is a boat trailer with a lounge only (no sleeping quarters) you can feel free to look me up and I will address the situation if you decide to come out again.
Jet Hydro ... I seriously question your logic. How much would you be spending in a hotel? Isn't that why racers get rigs that they can sleep in? To save money? If you cannot afford to help whatever racing organization to stay afloat, then you should probably stay home and not choose this sport, as you know, it's a sport where you'll never make any money in the end. It's a sport done for pure enjoyment only.
I will give you a little insight about NJBA since you do not run with us. We do not have "promoters" or large purses. We are a club, run by club members. We are not privately owned like other racing org.'s ... and we are a non-profit organization licensed by the State of California ... we have to verify all of our financial information yearly to keep this status.
So for you, or for anyone else who is on the outside looking in, saying that we (NJBA) are getting "greedy" or "trying to rape" the racers are ignorant to the situation. We are trying to keep it around ... for everyone.
If we want this club to stay in existance, all of it's members should step up and help out. People who chime in from time to time and gripe about how it sucks and how they will never come around again are part of the reason we do not have larger pay outs, attendance & spectators. I've said it before& I'll say it again: More boats bring more entry fees, more entry fees pay for more payouts, more payouts bring more boats, more boats bring more spectators, more spectators brings more revenue, more revenue brings even larger payouts, even larger payouts bring in even more boats, etc. etc. etc. (it's a never ending cycle ... and it goes the other way also, declining, declining, etc.).
So why not be part of the fix instead of the problem? (i.e.: I'm never going to help out, screw them they should do more for us because we are "The Show" ... FYI, in NJBA, all of us who are runnig the event are racing that weekend too and are "The Show" as well)
If you look at what NJBA does for you for the money that you are paying ... you are having a great time for a great price. If you look at it like, "I want more, and I am not going to help pay for it" ... you'll never be happy.
It's funny how all of the regular racers who truly enjoy "racing" at NJBA never complain about the fees. But the once and a while members do.
Again, in closing, you would probably be spending at least $200 to $250 for hotels ... so why not SAVE money and help out the club at the same time?
P.S. Lookin' ... we would love to have you back out and if it is what you say it is ... we can address that situation ... just find me, I am always around and available.
Brian
Brian - I am the lady who collects the motorhome fees. I replied to Lookin's comments regarding the threat. Please read that so when and if you address the situation, I can be a part of that discussion since I am a part of the situation. This was discussed with Mr. Roadstrom and several other members before a threat was made and I was advised to make them aware of what may happen if they continued giving me attitude about paying. Like I said in my reply, they were the only team to give me a hassle like they did (ever). I may get a few grumbles here and there but I still collect and without the rudeness and smart@ss comments. Thanks!

[BUSBY]

Is the club in the hole($) every time it runs and the extra $ that comes from the camping situation helps out? or does the extra $ go towards improvements, such as a better p.a. system(example)or whatever? It is explained what the fees are,but what do the proceeds go to.
All revenue goes into the general fund. All money in the fund supports the next race, equipment needs, etc.
The need to start charging fees was aimed originally at extra vehicles ... as car passes. The original need was different at that time. That need started to control traffic.
A $50 fee was being charged to all "extra" vehicles. Why? there was a parking issue ... to many extra cars, not enough room for pits. Then the RV's & Trailers from family and or spectators ... more room issues, but they were paying a vehicle fee, so they were allowed in ... add the county coming down ... as soon as the boat count went down ... room wasn't so much of an issue ... however, the revenue from their entry fees also went away. The club had to compensate due to the loss ... the operational costs did not go down ... so it was voted that we keep the Motorhome fees & car pass fees in place to assist.
A good point was made here ... that is why I am even answering. If others are saying that NJBA is getting "greedy" and "trying to screw the racers", where and/or what do they think the money is going to? Someones pocket? Again, we have to have financial statements proving that we're NON-PROFIT. So it's all going back to them ... even the river racers.
Is there something wrong with coming down to river race with an enclosed trailer to run your boat to see where you are at?
Well ... something to remember is that our River Racer class is still in it's infancy. It was started last year with the intention of bringing out the new racers who have never run.
Your question was about bringing an enclosed trailer ... which I am guessing is a race boat? Most guys with river boats don't haul them in an enclosed trailer ... that is why I'm guessing that you are speaking about a race boat. (Again guys... I said most guys ... so please don't rag on me if you or a buddy of yours does).
We have allowed some racers come down from other org's to try it out ... however ... this might be changed ... but during the current season, a person can run their race boat due to a clerical issue ... no where did it say River boats only, CF numbers (with current registration) and all ... but that is not what the class was intended for.
I have seen in the past some of the big name boats have come down to run only one race,are they paying to join the club? or are they waived that because they are a better show?
They pay to join and run ... usually they do not run anything but exibition. But they do join as members and pay their fees.
no pun intended,but this is a pretty bad situation here.
I agree ... it sure has put a bad taste in my mouth for trying to help ... they need to remember that I volunteer my time ... I don't need the extra aggrevation, the thread was started with a valid question, and I started to answer ... a totally different person came on the attack stating incorrect fees and making it sound like the club was ripping off it's members. Then others who were not members at all chimed in ... and so on.
As I said ... I'm done. But thanks for asking good questions without bashing.
I can't believe this has gone on so long and has got so intense.
This reminds me of employees bashing on the boss when they don't really know all of the costs and headaches involved in running a business.
I've been on the receiving end of that before.
I think Busby has had some good input since he started posting here and I wouldn't want to see him run and hide with his ass on fire like so many others have.
Constant bickering back and forth are bad for everyone and after a while the main subject becomes secondary to the damage of the bickering. I learned this from 30 yrs of marriage.
As I have said ... I'm done ... I will listen to everyone who has positive constructive points ... the bickering here is not worth my time.
But thanks for your support, maybe not with reaspect to this issue, but understanding that I am trying here, trying to help.
My point exactly!! I am quite sure the power's to be would have something to say regarding your remark's on this thread!!!!!! And I am just a spectator.. :supp:
I would say that 8 out of 10 board members are fully aware about this conversation ... and understand my position and support it.
And ... as you call them "the powers to be" ... are all equal. And I am one of them. Some have told me that I will probably never make you guys happy ... but it is what it is.
In closing, I still invite everyone here to any one of our board meetings if you are in the so cal area. There is no secret as to where the moeny from each race goes or what it is spent on. We review the Treasurer's report (check book register included) every month to insure that no money is being spent without a need ... all of the revenues go right back to the races.
For people to come here as a non-members or as a member who does not know what the complete financial situations are to complain about why things are ... well, it probably isn't needed. But it happened and here we are.
To imply that NJBA is saying to each other, "hey lets get their money!" for no reason at all is simply untrue.

[Mrs. Meanstreak]

Brian,
I appreciate your reply and will point out a few things. This trailer has a toilet compartment, a computer table and a couch, no bed, no sleeping compartment and no camping facilities, strictly full race oriented enviornment. Why would I spend 400 plus if we would stay in the "RV Trailer" .What does "address the situation" mean and don't get me wrong here as I might know what you are going thru as I was a Board Member for 8 years. My main complaint is how we were treated by a person that was not even on the Board. The money is not the main issue here, I can absorb whatever you dish out as I have spent a whole lot more than that in this sport having been doing it for 20+ years. You talk about boat counts, the count just went down over this situation. You talk about spectators, and this is not dissin the bracket boats at all, I have been there for many years and respect them tremendously, I would hope a 200 mph boat might generate that, at least that is what NJBA used to advertise in Bakersfield on the radio advertisements. Bottom line this was handled the wrong way and pissed off more people than just myself at the time.
Like I said in the previous reply, it wasn't a "right then and there situation". After trying to collect several times from your team and after all the crap excuses from your team to not pay the fees and pleads from your team to not charge you for the truck and camper shell, that was being slept in, I went directly to several board members for advice on what I should do. I was advised to tell you as well as anyone else not wanting to pay the small fee that you would be asked to leave the premises. If you don't like that well then to bad. I'm sure you've been pissed off before. Like they say, "better to be pissed off then pissed on"! It was as simple as having the mrs. on your team write a check to the club, as she finally did in the end, after you were advised of the consequence for not paying! It was merely an attempt on your part to get away with not paying the fee!
By the way, you're right, I'm not a board member, I'm the wife of a board member. Not everyone that helps put on the races is an "official board member". Please know that I would never make any decisions or advise anyone of anything without the direction of the board!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[BUSBY]

Brian - I am the lady who collects the motorhome fees. I replied to Lookin's comments regarding the threat. Please read that so when and if you address the situation, I can be a part of that discussion since I am a part of the situation. This was discussed with Mr. Roadstrom and several other members before a threat was made and I was advised to make them aware of what may happen if they continued giving me attitude about paying. Like I said in my reply, they were the only team to give me a hassle like they did (ever). I may get a few grumbles here and there but I still collect and without the rudeness and smart@ss comments. Thanks!
Thanks for chiming in ... I guess Mike told you of our conversation yesterday about this.
And by the way ... not to change the subject, but welcome to the boards! Sorry your first posts had to be about this.
Well I guess the story isn't as it seems ... I knew there had to be a reason you'd said what you'd said ... I have spoken to Roger about this too ... and he remembered the situation as well. I did not approach the past situation ... just offered to be assistance if there was a question in the future.
You are doing a great job in my opinion ... and a thankless one (as Tony would say). Thanks for your help.
Brian
P.S.(and you didn't have to address yourself as "the lady who collects the fees" ... I know you and you are a sweethart)
P.P.S ... is Mike coming onto the boards? We'd love to see him here (well not here exactly ... but on the boards).

[Mrs. Meanstreak]

$50. + $30. X 3 = $140. vs $90. actual camping fees. Does the club add $50. to each racer's hotel bill? That would really boost the clubs revenues, of course there would be such an uproar, and mass exodus from the club's events that the message would be heard. The Ming fees, and the way they are collected, are bad enough. I take offense to that. Ming is the ONLY venue that charges racers to stay in the pits, Ming is the ONLY venue that searches racer's ice chests for booze/beer, (without a permit, alcohol possession is a stout fine). There are so many negetives about Ming, and if you add this BS $50. fee to racers sleeping in the pits, well, that is just the "pits". Add the $50. to everyone that stays near the race, hotel, motel, side of the road, or in the pits, or don't ask anyone to pay it. All or none...........MP
I am only doing a job required by Ming and NJBA to collect motorhome fees. What is so wrong about the way the fees are collected? I'm not rude to anyone when I collect fees. If it's merely a grudge about the amount I have to collect for Ming and NJBA then word your comments as such so as to not make me sound like a b@tch! It would be appreciated!

[Jetboatguru]

The need to start charging fees was aimed originally at extra vehicles ... as car passes. The original need was different at that time. That need started to control traffic.
A $50 fee was being charged to all "extra" vehicles. Why? there was a parking issue ... to many extra cars, not enough room for pits. Then the RV's & Trailers from family and or spectators ... more room issues, but they were paying a vehicle fee, so they were allowed in ... add the county coming down ... as soon as the boat count went down ... room wasn't so much of an issue ... however, the revenue from their entry fees also went away. The club had to compensate due to the loss ... the operational costs did not go down ... so it was voted that we keep the Motorhome fees & car pass fees in place to assist.
So Brian, how can you consider my truck and toyhauler (with boat in it) anything more than a truck and trailer? It is a truck and a trailer Nothing more nothing less. It is the same as any of the other racers out there that have an enclosed trailer. There is not an extra vehicle. I totally agree about other trailers or motorhomes being in the pits. They need to be charged by KCBC and NJBA. But not the racers who are there with their trucks and trailers. How does the NJBA justify calling these toyhaulers "extra" vehicles?
Mrs Mean Streak, to make the comment of "If you have a 200 mph boat you must have substantial cash flow" is ludicrous. In essence, what you are saying is "well we can go ahead and charge more money for little things because they can afford it." Nobody is taking any shots at you so your remark about being pissed off and pissed on is unnecessary.
[QUOTE]For people to come here as a non-members or as a member who does not know what the complete financial situations are to complain about why things are ... well, it probably isn't needed. But it happened and here we are.
My point exactly!. Neither you, nor Mrs Meanstreak have any clue as to what people's financial situation is so those remarks are way out of line.
Possible solutions to problems:
Charge $50 for Motorhome passes for spectators. (as well as the KCBC $30)
Have a special designated section for these trailers or motorhomes.
Limit the number of car passes to be purchased by teams.
People are already paying their camping fee to KCBC structure a deal with them where they charge $50 and you guys get a cut of that.
Tony

[Mrs. Meanstreak]

the simple answer to that is: there is no reason to charge you $50 if you are not sleeping in it. however, you -may- be charged 30 by kc -if- the ranger (and it depends on which ranger is out there that day) concludes that you "could" be sleeping in it?
what i tried to say before is that this has cycled many times. don't get me wrong, i've been severely irritated by this myself. there have been periods where we pay the rangers directly; they come to the rv, we pay the 25 (now 30), they give us a sticker to put in the window. then, for whatever reason (i guess the rangers didn't want to deal directly), the rangers just started counting and presented the club with the bill. since then, one board member has taken over the collections and has been the sole contact to pay the rangers.
point being; if the ranger "counts" a trailer as one that -could- be slept in by looking at it, with or without asking, he WILL present a bill to the board member including that trailer in the count. when the board member goes around to validate the count, it would seem that in some cases they just accepted what the ranger stated without question. if you're not sleeping in the trailer, the board member should accept that as fact; if the ranger will not accept that, we're still obligated to a $30 fee.
i don't know if this answers the questions or not. brian is not the board member that handles this. i know for a time, the rv passes were being taken care of at registration, but that hasn't happened for several races. there should be a knowledgeable board member at registration to answer any questions regarding trailers/rvs at the track.
To address some of your comments, the rangers no longer collect their fee as there was an incident that took place when a ranger asked a team for their fee. One of the team members took it upon themselves to slash the tires of the park rangers vehicles. That doesn't make the club look too good! Now it's up to us.
The sad truth is that for some time we did accept some people's word that they were not sleeping in their trailers but then discovered they yes in fact they were sleeping in the trailer. Honesty holds a lot of water and because of dishonesty of some members of NJBA, we have to charge everyone with sleeping quarters $30 + $50 whether they say their sleeping in them or not. Some people have screwed it up for many!
As far as RV/Trailer fees being collected at registration and at the gate, this became too confusing and dishonesty played a part in this as well. People were lying to me, telling me that they paid motorhome fees at registration when their name was not even on the list. Some would say they paid at the gate and never got their sticker. Some would peel off a sticker from one RV and put it on another before I got there so they wouldn't have to pay. People were just being dishonest. To avoid the run around, the only way to solve the problem was to have one person only collect RV/Trailer fees.
It's because of people's dishonesty that things are like they are now. Thank you!

[Mrs. Meanstreak]

I see a thread about the NJBA racing at Elsinore, great, except how much to sleep in a race trailer/motorhome there??.........MP
You're a funny guy! Maybe instead of racing on the weekends you can do a stand up act at a comedy club!

[BUSBY]

My point exactly!. Neither you, nor Mrs Meanstreak have any clue as to what people's financial situation is so those remarks are way out of line.
Possible solutions to problems:
Charge $50 for Motorhome passes for spectators. (as well as the KCBC $30)
Have a special designated section for these trailers or motorhomes.
Limit the number of car passes to be purchased by teams.
People are already paying their camping fee to KCBC structure a deal with them where they charge $50 and you guys get a cut of that.
Tony
Now Tony ... I know you as well as Brian & Dan know the costs of racing. My point wasn't about any of your financial situations specifically ... it was in regards to the financial situation of NJBA.
It is currently taking everything that NJBA is charging to make the races happen. We cannot afford to structure a deal at this point. We could look at finding another way to collect that revenue ... but where would you suggest we get it?
It costs about $23,000 to put on one of our races. No matter what ... if the registration goes down, we need to make that money from somewhere. If we stop collecting motorhome fees (which are helping us make it happen) what should we do? Raise the entry fees? We can't do that.
It's not a good situation ... and I'm not speaking about anyones financial situation ... but the need for the revenue to make the race happen. No one is making money here.
Mike's wife is is helping out by collecting ... and is extreemly patient. As I am trying to be ... but this bashing about the fees is unneeded ... it is a cost of our event ... a cost that is keeping it a float.
P.S. (Denise ... don't get too upset, just look at it as a difference of opinion ... that's what I am trying to do).

[Cas]

just got through reading all this.....pretty interesting viewpoints.
Personally, I'd rather be a part of the solution than a part of the problem. Instead of talking about past issues, why not come up with suggestions on how to make things better for the future?
Granted, those past issues should be taken into account but there really isn't anything that can be done about them now. The only thing that can be done is to come up with a resolution so it doesn't happen in the future.
Through all this it sounds like people need to make a list of what their issues are. From there, the board can make adjustments as necessary but no matter what, everyone cannot be pleased.....I'm going through that learning process myself, on a much smaller scale though.
How about a break in the camping fees if they are paid in advance?
If paid in advance, the person gets a tag to display. No tag, no entrance through the gates.
If not paid in advance, the price at the gate goes up. In any case, you either have a tag to get in or you pay at the gate. If you forgot your tag, your name better be on the list or you're paying at the gate. If you can prove you paid, you get a credit at the next event.
As far as additional revenues, can't you all charge the spectators for parking? Maybe $2.00 a car...more? I haven't been to the races in a couple of years so maybe this is already being done. Part of that money could go towards the camping fees for the racers.
I'm not a racer and will probably never be. I've been going to NJBA events off and on since the early 80's and have had a couple of friends that were very successful in what used to be unblown gas jet. By no means do I know the inner workings of the NJBA nor the financial status, I'm just trying to make some constructive suggestions.

[Moneypitt]

My remark was in response to the racer that had a ranger walk into his trailer demanding the fee. Nothing was meant towards the clubs representive. My whole point is the additional fee. Period. To pay the ranger the fees for overnight sleeping in the pits is fine. To single out a trailer that looks like it could be slept in is wrong. During most APBA races the atmosphere in the pits is joyful and friendly. Lots of Bar B Qs going, people gathering for class meetings, kids playing together, a total family deal. Some racers working on their stuff way into the night, to be ready for the next days racing. As I have said, Ming is the only place we race that charges to stay in the pits. I don't race NJBA, so this really doesn't affect me. But, being a racer I can see where other racers feel they are being taken advantage of when the club they belong to also wants to get into their wallet for staying in the pits. Seems to me the group that choose to vandalize the rangers car are the ones who should be asked to stay home, forever! Racers in general are just working stiffs, and that additional fee could be a real pain in the wallet when you consider all the real costs involved in racing. If you only want wealthy people to show up, the days of your club are really numbered. What if no one decided to stay in the pits? How could your club survive? If I bring a trailer or motorhome to the races, I've already spent more in fuel than the people that stay in the local hotels have, so to rercover from the fuel costs I would want to sleep in the gas guzzler I drove there . When you add your $50. bucks I lose double..Find another way to make it, you are not a camping club, you are a race club. Drop the fee to racers, and, room allowing, charge the public to camp like Tony said. Maybe even improve the "gate" by allowing the public to camp for the weekend with ADVANCE sales.............MP

[Jetboatguru]

Ray brings up an excellent point. Suppose the racers all decide to tow down on road trailers and stay in the motels/hotels? How is the NJBA gonna make up the lost profits (revenue) suffered by this? By charging people to sleep in the pits, the people that have the so called substantial cash flow are the ones paying the way for the other people to race. How does that work?
Everything that Busby listed on a previous post pertaining to IHBA fees are ALL PENALTIES, not upfront fees. So that is not apples to apples.
If you want to increase revenue maybe you could drop the number of passes that each team receives.
Instead of 5 make it 4.
Charge a little higher gate fee
As far as not being able to keep track of who has paid and who hasn't for their motorhome/trailer pass, how tough can that really be?
How about you do not get into the pit unless you have a sticker!!! No ifs ands or buts!
If they have their pass waiting for them in the pits then have them walk down and get them or call on the cell phone and have it brought to the gate.
I hate to drop the bomb on the vendors but they should be charged to be able to do business.
Redding Video should be charged, T shirts sales, VP fuels, any Vendors period.
Then there is the old safety pass deal. I believe 25 dollars is not out of line to charge for passes during slow times.
What do you think Busby?

[BUSBY]

Ray brings up an excellent point. Suppose the racers all decide to tow down on road trailers and stay in the motels/hotels? How is the NJBA gonna make up the lost profits (revenue) suffered by this?
That is a great point ... thank God we haven't come up with that problem ... 99% of all racers staying in the pits have been paying without conflict or too much concern. But as Denise said ... it has been that 1% that causes issues ... and that issue was delt with.
By charging people to sleep in the pits, the people that have the so called substantial cash flow are the ones paying the way for the other people to race. How does that work?
Well ... I dunno ... I've been paying it over the last 3 years ... and I don't see it other than a need that is being fulfilled. I understand a lot of others out there might not be able to, but I still think it's cheaper than the fuel costs to and from town and hotel fees.
Everything that Busby listed on a previous post pertaining to IHBA fees are ALL PENALTIES, not upfront fees. So that is not apples to apples.
True ... all but liscense fees. IHBA charges you for your license. And, if you bring a Motorhome in (at least in Phoenix) as a Spectator or Racer (you cannot even sleep with your stuff no camping allowed in the pits per them) ... they charge a $250 fee to stay up by the course. (I just got off of the phone with Tiffany @ IHBA to make sure I was still right)
If you want to increase revenue maybe you could drop the number of passes that each team receives.
Instead of 5 make it 4.
Charge a little higher gate fee
We have raised the gate fee over the past 2 years a few dollars, not much help. Lowering armbands ... man another arguement, I could see that one coming.
Constructive ideas though.
As far as not being able to keep track of who has paid and who hasn't for their motorhome/trailer pass, how tough can that really be?
It's not now that there is one person dealing with it ... it only was before.
I hate to drop the bomb on the vendors but they should be charged to be able to do business.
Redding Video should be charged, T shirts sales, VP fuels, any Vendors period.
They are $350 per vendor.
Then there is the old safety pass deal. I believe 25 dollars is not out of line to charge for passes during slow times. ?
That is still in place ... as long as we have adequit notice to Lisa in advance by the requesting racer and enough time to run them.
What do you think Busby?
I think you've turned the tone into where it should have been all along. No finger pointing, just valid concerns and/or questions looking for answers. Thanx.
Brian

[Mrs. Meanstreak]

My point exactly!. Neither you, nor Mrs Meanstreak have any clue as to what people's financial situation is so those remarks are way out of line.
Possible solutions to problems:
Charge $50 for Motorhome passes for spectators. (as well as the KCBC $30)
Have a special designated section for these trailers or motorhomes.
Limit the number of car passes to be purchased by teams.
People are already paying their camping fee to KCBC structure a deal with them where they charge $50 and you guys get a cut of that.
Tony
You're absolutely right we may not have a clue as to what people's financial situations are but I also don't believe anyone is racing on good looks either. I am aware of what it cost to run a boat and the constant maintenance of that boat so I am aware that $50.00 is not much compared to those costs. If $50.00 is going to break someone who's running a boat than maybe running a boat shouldn't be in the budget. Why don't you join in on a board meeting, as everyone is welcome, and make your suggestion, they may consider your point. I guess alot of these comments are made out of ignorance (not a slam, just not knowing) what it cost to put on a race. No one is pocketing anything. To let you know, I usually collect on average less than $1,500. per race, not as much as everyone is guessing the club is taking in on RV/Trailers. Out of that money, the club then cuts the park ranger a check ($30 per RV/Trailer). Do the math!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Mrs. Meanstreak]

Tony, my comment about being pissed off was directed to the person who made the comment about me pissing off more people than just himself, "Dan A."

[Jetboatguru]

Brian, I can guarantee you one thing, I camp in the pits at Firebird and have never once in 15 years been charged. It is up to the promoter of the facility not IHBA. Brian, I appreciate you keeping it civil.
Tony

[Mrs. Meanstreak]

Now Tony ... I know you as well as Brian & Dan know the costs of racing. My point wasn't about any of your financial situations specifically ... it was in regards to the financial situation of NJBA.
It is currently taking everything that NJBA is charging to make the races happen. We cannot afford to structure a deal at this point. We could look at finding another way to collect that revenue ... but where would you suggest we get it?
It costs about $23,000 to put on one of our races. No matter what ... if the registration goes down, we need to make that money from somewhere. If we stop collecting motorhome fees (which are helping us make it happen) what should we do? Raise the entry fees? We can't do that.
It's not a good situation ... and I'm not speaking about anyones financial situation ... but the need for the revenue to make the race happen. No one is making money here.
Mike's wife is is helping out by collecting ... and is extreemly patient. As I am trying to be ... but this bashing about the fees is unneeded ... it is a cost of our event ... a cost that is keeping it a float.
P.S. (Denise ... don't get too upset, just look at it as a difference of opinion ... that's what I am trying to do).
Brian - I understand. After Mike told me that someone made a comment about the "lady collecting motorhome fees and she isn't even a board member" I decided I wanted to see what was said. Of course it came from exactly the person I figured it did so I just merely wanted to defend my position. Like I said previously, Dan's team was the only team that has ever given me any problem and that's why I asked Sr. and others what I should do. I'm out there to enjoy watching my husband race, not argue over fees with people.

[BUSBY]

Brian, I can guarantee you one thing, I camp in the pits at Firebird and have never once in 15 years been charged. It is up to the promoter of the facility not IHBA. Brian, I appreciate you keeping it civil.
Tony
I know you can ... but the promoter (in the fall, Firebird, spring IHBA) does charge for Motorhomes ...
Now, racers who get away with staying there ... but according to them (just was verifying with them via phone) you are not SUPPOSED to stay there. I'm not sayin' you can't. I know at their other venues ... the situations are different. I've never camped out while racing with IHBA, always hotel'd it ... so I am just going off what they have said.
And ... tryin' to keep things civil isn't always so easy when others come out swinging. But I like it better this way.
Brian

[Mrs. Meanstreak]

Now that the camping fee issue has been overdone, why doesn't everyone involved in this forum send suggestions on how the club can bring in more revenue in order to meet the financial needs for the races. If there are other avenues not yet taken that will bring in revenue, than maybe in the future the club can consider making adjustments to the RV/Trailer fee. :rollside:

[Lookin for Liquid]

Mr. Busby,
Guru has made some excellent points and sincerely hope they are addressed in a rational manner by educated Board Members. There has been nothing personal aimed at you or anyone from any of my posts, just accurate instances, with questions. It just didn't seem right to be charged for something we were not utilizing such as overnight camping.
Mrs. Meanstreak
Judging by your posts it seems that you have decided to trash talk about my ego, financial situation, where I should overnight stay, and what association I should enter. I do not know where this animosity was generated from as I did not speak to you once that weekend. You might want to remember you are on a public forum for many to read and how you portray yourself is a direct reflection for NJBA as well.
Back to the camping issue so I can make this as clear as possible for you, the truck and camper spent Friday night in Santa Ana, and the Hotel parking lot on Saturday night. Nobody stayed in the trailer either night as well as we all stayed in rooms that we also paid for.
As far as "crying about fees, just go ahead and pay them", I will try to put it in perspective for you. If you were to buy a $300 dress and they wanted $80 for the hanger, which you would not take home, would you question it or just pay the money for the hanger.
In closing, all that was meant here initially was to ask a simple question so that clarification could be generated in a respective manner for future weekends so we knew what fees would be imposed above and beyond the entry fee by NJBA.

[Moneypitt]

How about asking the "gate" spectators to register with the club so future promotions could be mailed out. Future promotions like, A weekend of camping, watching the races, a Bar B Q at night in the pits, maybe a "jolly jumper" for the kids. Offer a PREPAID "camping in the pit area" weekend for RV ers, classic boat rides after the days races are over. Charge per RV, with per person tickets for the PREPAID Bar B Q. (Tony and his group know ALL ABOUT Bar B Qs).. Montana Mud for the adults, (prepaid of course), Vendor raffles, 50-50 raffles for the club. Just a few ideas to support your club/sport without adding additional costs to the people that put on the "show". If these things could be planned weeks in advance, PREPAID, then the "planners" would know how many to expect, how to fit them in the RV spots, how much food to buy ETC...............MP

[BUSBY]

Mr. Busby,
Guru has made some excellent points and sincerely hope they are addressed in a rational manner by educated Board Members. There has been nothing personal aimed at you or anyone from any of my posts, just accurate instances, with questions. It just didn't seem right to be charged for something we were not utilizing such as overnight camping.
Dan, As I said ... you started this with a simple question, and I said I wasn't part of the original confrontation. I did stay I would help you in the future in trying to assist if there was an issue or question. In after speaking to the Guthrie's & Roger Roadstrom to see if you were wronged ... it was explained that it wasn't really you but possibly Rich's wife that was confrontational. Again, I wasn't there, just going on what I was told.
I appriciate you not going after me directly ... just the situation. You know better than most others here being a prior board member how the costs do mount up ... and I promise that this will be spoken about at next months meeting.
In closing, all that was meant here initially was to ask a simple question so that clarification could be generated in a respective manner for future weekends so we knew what fees would be imposed above and beyond the entry fee by NJBA.
To answer your original question ... I don't know what happened, and if there is a valid situation where KC is charging when a racer is not staying, (I can verify easily as I stay in the pits in my rig) I will fight for that racer to not be charged, by KC or NJBA. But what has happened in the past I cannot
address.
Brian

[BUSBY]

How about asking the "gate" spectators to register with the club so future promotions could be mailed out. Future promotions like, A weekend of camping, watching the races, a Bar B Q at night in the pits, maybe a "jolly jumper" for the kids. Offer a PREPAID "camping in the pit area" weekend for RV ers, classic boat rides after the days races are over. Charge per RV, with per person tickets for the PREPAID Bar B Q. (Tony and his group know ALL ABOUT Bar B Qs).. Montana Mud for the adults, (prepaid of course), Vendor raffles, 50-50 raffles for the club. Just a few ideas to support your club/sport without adding additional costs to the people that put on the "show". If these things could be planned weeks in advance, PREPAID, then the "planners" would know how many to expect, how to fit them in the RV spots, how much food to buy ETC...............MP
I have printed your ideas and will bring them up at the meeting, thanks ... I like the registered spectators ... we are looking to get an e-mail list put together for bulk e-mails about future events ... so we could tie that in.
Again, positive and well thought out, thanks.

[Lookin for Liquid]

To answer your original question ... I don't know what happened, and if there is a valid situation where KC is charging when a racer is not staying, (I can verify easily as I stay in the pits in my rig) I will fight for that racer to not be charged, by KC or NJBA. But what has happened in the past I cannot
address.
Brian
Brian, I appreciate your answer and deeply regret that this turned into what it did. Please take a look at JBG's ideas as he has some good ones. It seems to me it's all about charging the people that need to be charged for what the club services them with such as extra safety passes and additional team passes.
Thanks
Dan Aaseth

[77charger]

I remember in 2003 when they started collecting the "extra fees"We needed my burb to launch the boat my boss towed it in an enclosed trailer behind a camper then a big moho.
The first time i got charged for my toyhauler(i used it for the part of the crew and myself to sleep)I didnt mind the 30 dollar fee but 50 bucks for my truck and 50 more for toyhauler!!!)Burb was used launch race boat.wanted an extra 50 for bosses enclosed trailer too
The second time around i explained to mike fry the situation about the extra 50 bucks since the toyhauler was towed behind a vehicle that is used to launch the boat.Being a little nicer got me a long ways said as long as the burb or extra vehicle that towed toyhauler was used for launching i was ok(he was collecting for a few minutes at our pit we would point out what came with what and who was with us).We also had family who brought mohos they paid the fees.But to me charging an extra pass for an enclosed trailer was excessive.

[BUSBY]

I remember in 2003 when they started collecting the "extra fees"We needed my burb to launch the boat my boss towed it in an enclosed trailer behind a camper then a big moho.
The first time i got charged for my toyhauler(i used it for the part of the crew and myself to sleep)I didnt mind the 30 dollar fee but 50 bucks for my truck and 50 more for toyhauler!!!)Burb was used launch race boat.wanted an extra 50 for bosses enclosed trailer too
The second time around i explained to mike fry the situation about the extra 50 bucks since the toyhauler was towed behind a vehicle that is used to launch the boat.Being a little nicer got me a long ways said as long as the burb or extra vehicle that towed toyhauler was used for launching i was ok(he was collecting for a few minutes at our pit we would point out what came with what and who was with us).We also had family who brought mohos they paid the fees.But to me charging an extra pass for an enclosed trailer was excessive.
Thanks for chiming in Robert ... you hit the nail on the head. it's all how the situation is approached. As I told Dan ... if things are explained and verified ... I even fight with Mike and Denise ( I don't think there would be a fight as they would be verifying with me as they too stay in the pits) but we could go back to the KC Ranger and let them know who to take off of the list.
Again, as Bob (bp) stated, we don't go looking for you guys in trailers and or rigs ... we get the list and go out to collect ... usually if there is an issue, it can be fixed ... unfortunately for Dan ... something happened. But there are usually 2-3 extra trailers on the list that KC wants to charge for and Mike has to address it with them.
As for your situation ... it looks like you handled it in your normal nice way ... and I guess it helped.
Brian
P.S. Ron & I have looked for you at the last few races ... what's up, can't make the drive anymore? j/k ... hope to see you around soon, even if you're not racin'!

[Mrs. Meanstreak]

Mr. Busby,
Guru has made some excellent points and sincerely hope they are addressed in a rational manner by educated Board Members. There has been nothing personal aimed at you or anyone from any of my posts, just accurate instances, with questions. It just didn't seem right to be charged for something we were not utilizing such as overnight camping.
Mrs. Meanstreak
Judging by your posts it seems that you have decided to trash talk about my ego, financial situation, where I should overnight stay, and what association I should enter. I do not know where this animosity was generated from as I did not speak to you once that weekend. You might want to remember you are on a public forum for many to read and how you portray yourself is a direct reflection for NJBA as well.
Back to the camping issue so I can make this as clear as possible for you, the truck and camper spent Friday night in Santa Ana, and the Hotel parking lot on Saturday night. Nobody stayed in the trailer either night as well as we all stayed in rooms that we also paid for.
As far as "crying about fees, just go ahead and pay them", I will try to put it in perspective for you. If you were to buy a $300 dress and they wanted $80 for the hanger, which you would not take home, would you question it or just pay the money for the hanger.
In closing, all that was meant here initially was to ask a simple question so that clarification could be generated in a respective manner for future weekends so we knew what fees would be imposed above and beyond the entry fee by NJBA.
First of all, don't read more into what I said then what was actually said. I didn't trash talk anyone I just simply responded to the comments made by you about me (because there is only one lady who collects motorhome fees) and the situation as stated by you was totally inaccurate and came off as me doing something out of line. Yes someone did stay in that camper because your driver's wife (don't recall her name) was pleading with me not to charge her that the could put the top down on it so it didn't look like they were staying in it so I'm only going off of what she said. And you're right you didn't talk to me once that weekend because everytime I came over to collect fees you tried to avoid the fact that I was even there and would start snickering and talking under your breath to your driver (won't mention his name). If was your driver's wife who actually gave the attitude and the run-around excuses.
To answer your analogy question about the dress: If I paid $300.00 for a dress and they wanted to charge me $80 for a hanger that I could not take home I would pay the $80.00 if I really wanted the dress that bad. Put that in perspective!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[BUSBY]

First of all, don't read more into what I said then what was actually said. I didn't trash talk anyone I just simply responded to the comments made by you about me (because there is only one lady who collects motorhome fees) and the situation as stated by you was totally inaccurate and came off as me doing something out of line. Yes someone did stay in that camper because your driver's wife (don't recall her name) was pleading with me not to charge her that the could put the top down on it so it didn't look like they were staying in it so I'm only going off of what she said. And you're right you didn't talk to me once that weekend because everytime I came over to collect fees you tried to avoid the fact that I was even there and would start snickering and talking under your breath to your driver (won't mention his name). If was your driver's wife who actually gave the attitude and the run-around excuses.
To answer your analogy question about the dress: If I paid $300.00 for a dress and they wanted to charge me $80 for a hanger that I could not take home I would pay the $80.00 if I really wanted the dress that bad. Put that in perspective!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hey Denise ... have you crusied the site other than this thread? It is pretty fun at times ... just don't want you to get a bad impression of the Hot Boat Forums ...
Again, still glad to see you here ... but sorry I spoke to Mike if it's makin' you mad. :(
Brian

[BUSBY]

Brian, I appreciate your answer and deeply regret that this turned into what it did. Please take a look at JBG's ideas as he has some good ones. It seems to me it's all about charging the people that need to be charged for what the club services them with such as extra safety passes and additional team passes.
Thanks
Dan Aaseth
Ahh ... I got tough skin ... this is nothin compared to the arguements Ray Capaldi and I get into! :cool:
I am going to take everything back to the board ... Tony's included ...
Thanx

[77charger]

P.S. Ron & I have looked for you at the last few races ... what's up, can't make the drive anymore? j/k ... hope to see you around soon, even if you're not racin'!
i have been really busy workin alot if i aint out of town i am working on the weekends.Might have to tell me where ron lives so i can drop by i do live in fuulerton also.
You wont have to find me i find free beer so i will find you guys.

[SUI-CY-COLE DIMARCO]

this sucks....only ihba and njba are out on the west coast , races for drag boats..ihba,is expensive...but they are like nhra compared to ihra...no comparsion......in my opinion,,,,,,njba should rspect whoever it is c0oming to there races,,whether its river racer or a 200 mph boat.and if they tow with a open trailer or a trailer with sleeping quarters..they should be charged the same...i know river racers are boring,and i am one of them...but who wants to see a flaky 1/8 mile pass from a top fuel boat,,and in the advertisements you say..top fuel boats!!!!!!!!!!!that is why this year im bowing out..i got a 45' trailer and i dont want to spend 80 bucks plus at the lake a night and more to stay at a hotel by the rodeo in downtown.....good luck with what you do....sounds like your boat count keeps going lower and lower.

[BUSBY]

this sucks....only ihba and njba are out on the west coast , races for drag boats..ihba,is expensive...but they are like nhra compared to ihra...no comparsion......in my opinion,,,,,,njba should rspect whoever it is c0oming to there races,,whether its river racer or a 200 mph boat.and if they tow with a open trailer or a trailer with sleeping quarters..they should be charged the same...i know river racers are boring,and i am one of them...but who wants to see a flaky 1/8 mile pass from a top fuel boat,,and in the advertisements you say..top fuel boats!!!!!!!!!!!that is why this year im bowing out..i got a 45' trailer and i dont want to spend 80 bucks plus at the lake a night and more to stay at a hotel by the rodeo in downtown.....good luck with what you do....sounds like your boat count keeps going lower and lower.
Again as I told Dan ... if you are not stayin' there and it's VERIFIED ... I will stand up for no fees being charged. Why is this so hard for everyone to understand?
Also, what advertisements? We don't advertise :confused:

[O.B eddie]

Ahh ... I got tough skin ... this is nothin compared to the arguements Ray Capaldi and I get into! :cool: Yeah you cum bubble!!hee haww..
Thanx :rollside:

[Lookin for Liquid]

And you're right you didn't talk to me once that weekend because everytime I came over to collect fees you tried to avoid the fact that I was even there and would start snickering and talking under your breath to your driver (won't mention his name).
I can see that you are taking this way to personal and that is unfortunate. If you recall we were in the middle of a pre run warm up and yes I do talk to the driver during that period. Please don't flatter yourself thinking we were talking about you.
To answer your analogy question about the dress: If I paid $300.00 for a dress and they wanted to charge me $80 for a hanger that I could not take home I would pay the $80.00 if I really wanted the dress that bad. Put that in perspective!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I don't think I need to say anymore here....No comprendee.

[SUI-CY-COLE DIMARCO]

I don't think I need to say anymore here....No comprendee.
if i was in the middle of a warm up after i paid getting my boat into the gates and some person came around looking for MORE money........i would tell them to hit the road jack!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!....how is the boat count doing busby?

[Cs19]

WOW, thats alot of posting for one day, you guys have some serious time invested in this thread. Ive heard alot about this camping shit/people dodging the fees,etc. at the drivers meetings. I still cant beleive people are bitching over a freaking 80 dollar camping fee.
Im okay with NJBA, I dont have any major complaints, I just want to see the option of getting more runs in. I know Busby already went over the saftey pass deal and ambulance fees,etc. but at that last race saftey passes could have been ran during the down time. If our time at the track was managed correctly I'm thinking it could be done and NJBA could make a few extra bucks.
The way the saftey pass deal is set up now is, well its weird. If the program is gonna have some down time call out "30 minutes of saftey passes" or something.Shit, some guys need the time in between when running 2 classes. Sure you get enough time to fuel up and get a drink of water but for those of us that want to look at data and make changes, well there just insnt enough time..Saftey passes for those that went out first round might work perfectly in there. If you tell everyone at the drivers meeting that there will be a few "30 minute saftey pass sessions" for those that went out early, people will be ready and waiting for that.I know I would. If we could somehow incorporate that into Sat. it would be even better.
Even if you cant pull this off its cool, Ill still be there.
I just cant wait for the early morning butterflys I get when they call Pro Gas..Excited,nervous and million other feelings that I cant describe, I love it. Its kinda cool in our pit cause most everyone runs Pro gas and theres like 6 or 7 boats warming up at the same time and everyone is runnin around tryin' to get ready, its one of my favorite parts of the whole weekend.Anyways, one more month..

[BUSBY]

if i was in the middle of a warm up after i paid getting my boat into the gates and some person came around looking for MORE money........i would tell them to hit the road jack!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!....how is the boat count doing busby?
To be honest ... it's just fine ... thanks for asking. Next month should be a good turn out according to pre-registration.

[Cs19]

check this sui-cy-coles recent posts. :confused:
What boat does he have?

[Monkey Bung]

Good Question???

[bp]

mrs meanstreak, i did not mention the reasons for raising the fees, or for changing the way fees were collected because there was no point. i'm very aware of the tire slashing, people offering beer to the rangers, etc., when there's no permit. my point was that something occurs that involves the rangers (or others), and the club reacts in some way. often, the majority of the membership isn't aware of the reaction until after it's been placed into effect. everything must be assumed to be observed by the rangers, and a reflection on the club.
there have been times when either the ranger, mike, or possibly yourself have come around to collect that i really don't feel like taking the time to deal with it. doesn't mean i don't want to take care of it, i always have, just means that on saturdays and sundays, many times i have other things on my mind besides rv fees, and i need to be caught at the right time. i still feel that if people have questions, there needs to be a known contact person people can get hold of at registration, and during the weekend.
as far as attending board meetings, i know they are open, and i would love to attend, but they are always in the middle of the week, 200 miles from where i live and work and i save my vacation for race weekends. if they were on weekends, or in pismo beach, i'd be there.
brian, there IS no comparison between njba and ihba, and any effort to do so is futile. ihba is entirely different, and if you're a veteran ihba racer, you should know that. if you want to compare njba with other entitys, compare with sdba or cdba which are other similar clubs.

[Jet Hydro]

Why is this so hard for everyone to understand?
:confused:
Why is it so hard for you to understand? We racers spend enough just getting to the races to support your race in the first place. I know that I have never done a NJBA race but 2 of us were talking about making the trip but you have made my mind up for me. Like I said, if I drove the 2000 mile trip, I`d turn around and go back home before I pay to stay in my motor home.
I`m just glad the org I race with treats us racers like we should be. Maybe that`s why we had the biggest boat race this year ????

[BigBlockOldsJet]

Hey Cheeseball,
Why don't you stop attacking this subject, Busby has explained nicely many times over and is actually trying to fix the problem while you continue to be a dick.
I don't know where you are from or race, but that 12 second Jet Hydro will not put any V-Drive Hydro's on the trailer in the NJBA.

[Mrs. Meanstreak]

Hey Denise ... have you crusied the site other than this thread? It is pretty fun at times ... just don't want you to get a bad impression of the Hot Boat Forums ...
Again, still glad to see you here ... but sorry I spoke to Mike if it's makin' you mad. :(
Brian
Just a little bit. I only came on because I felt that Lookin' was giving me a bad rap as if I was acting like a drill sargeant or something so I wanted to clear things up since it is a public forum and people involved will be seeing me at the track again. No big deal, Mike laughs because he thinks he screwed up by telling me about the forum because he knew I'd get on and say something. Didn't mean to get heated at times but I feel that I'm a pretty fair person and easy to deal with so when someone makes me sound otherwise I try to set things straight and I don't back down. Thanks though!

[Mrs. Meanstreak]

I don't think I need to say anymore here....No comprendee.
Final words to you: It has nothing to do with flattery and yes I do take it personal when someone is trying to make me look bad. And finally - it is very apparent the you do not comprehend!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Mrs. Meanstreak]

if i was in the middle of a warm up after i paid getting my boat into the gates and some person came around looking for MORE money........i would tell them to hit the road jack!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!....how is the boat count doing busby?
If you did say that to me, then you would probably be one to be asked to leave. The fee is no surprise. They've been charging to fee for some time now. Like I said before, it wasn't one time I went to their pits and asked, it was three times and they weren't warming up every time, just the first time which I have no problem with, it happens with alot of the guys. I am not a bitch to anyone but I do stand my ground when people have an attitude like you. Why don't you read everything before you put your unimportant 2 cents in!!!

[Mrs. Meanstreak]

Why is it so hard for you to understand? We racers spend enough just getting to the races to support your race in the first place. I know that I have never done a NJBA race but 2 of us were talking about making the trip but you have made my mind up for me. Like I said, if I drove the 2000 mile trip, I`d turn around and go back home before I pay to stay in my motor home.
I`m just glad the org I race with treats us racers like we should be. Maybe that`s why we had the biggest boat race this year ????
JUST CURIOUS JET HYDRO, WHAT IS A "JET HYDRO" HMMMMM

[moneysucker]

$80 for a weekend RV space is a great price. It is $20+/- for a on 7 day pass in the desert and it pays for some of the necessary ammenitys that are provided weather you use them or not but the fact is that these fees do benifit you in the long run. I used to bitch about the desert fees until they came out and medevaced my brother out of the dunes. I will pay what ever They ask me to and it is worth it. The services are there should you choose to use them.
Busby has already volunteered to rectify the situation for anyone who is being charged and is not staying in the trailer so I don't know why this is still an issue. If the other way to go is raise entry fees across the board to cover the camping fees and I am sure everyone does not want that. Everyone just wants to race. $80 for a weekend is cheaper than any hotel and you know what the stains are on the comforter are in the trailer. Just my 2 cents.

[JetHead]

.02 cents
Did you mean 2 cents? Because if you did mean .02 cents, then he has 1.98 cents of more comments to make before he gets to the 2 cent level.

[Mrs. Meanstreak]

Did you mean 2 cents? Because if you did mean .02 cents, then he has 1.98 cents of more comments to make before he gets to the 2 cent level.
Another comedian! I'm sorry it's just a typo. Nothing better to do????

[roostwear]

Did you mean 2 cents? Because if you did mean .02 cents, then he has 1.98 cents of more comments to make before he gets to the 2 cent level.
Actually, that would be .02 DOLLARS :D No wonder $80 is such a problem. Maybe if you tell everyone it's 8,000 cents.

[Moneypitt]

Its not $80. Unless you just stay Saturday night. If you get there on Thur morning for some "***boat testing", ($40. I think) Then stay Thursday night,($30.) Friday night, $30.+$50. ($80.) and Saturday night, (another $30. ) then your weekend camping is $140. (plus testing $ which is not part of this discussion), or even Friday and Saturday nights for $110. vs $60., it can make a differece. Oh yeah, the additional $25. alcohol permit if you're so inclined. So we're up to a possible site fee of $165. plus entry and club safety run fees, on and on, and on......Where does it stop? And how can the club fix it? ........I am trying to understand both sides of this discussion....MP

[Mrs. Meanstreak]

Its not $80. Unless you just stay Saturday night. If you get there on Thur morning for some "***boat testing", ($40. I think) Then stay Thursday night,($30.) Friday night, $30.+$50. ($80.) and Saturday night, (another $30. ) then your weekend camping is $140. (plus testing $ which is not part of this discussion), or even Friday and Saturday nights for $110. vs $60., it can make a differece. Oh yeah, the additional $25. alcohol permit if you're so inclined. So we're up to a possible site fee of $165. plus entry and club safety run fees, on and on, and on......Where does it stop? And how can the club fix it? ........I am trying to understand both sides of this discussion....MP
Don't think you quite know what you're talking about. Your facts are not correct.

[BUSBY]

OK ... I told myself to stay away ... but ... just a small clarification ...
Ray, (Moneypitt) ...
The fee is $30 to Kern county for Friday - Sunday nights & $50 for the same three nights, $80 total for three nights of camping.
If you come down Thursday night, Kern County will not allow you in as we have 5 people authorized by NJBA as Security who are allowed in ... they have a list of license plates of who those are.
There have been times where racers have come in from far off to test-n-tune on Thursday ... (which has to be done BEFORE 12 noon on thursday, be CF numbered w/ current registration, and you'll have to pay the day lake use fee ... like $12 if caught by KC Rangers) ...
anyways, I've let one or two in on Thurs ... but they (KC Rangers) found out they (the campers) had to pay $18 for the night (what they ... KC ... normally charge nightly up the hill at the camp sites), if the rangers never found out ... well the campers slipped by.
The $30 and $50 is for Friday, Saturday & Sunday night.
Now guys ... don't jump on me. I've said I am going to take this issue to the board and let them know of all of your ideas ... I didn't make up the fees ... just explaining them.
And Denise ... Moneypitt (Ray) has given me a few great ideas in PM's in new revenue ideas ... so he's not a bad guy ... he's tryin' to help.
Brian

[Moneypitt]

So the KC $30. fee is for Fri and Sat night. As is the $50. club fee, so $80. was correct for the weekend. That makes the $50. club fee a little easier to swallow. Now, Thursday mornings will cost you $40. to test from 8am til Noon.....Cf #s are NOT required during this time, it is for ***boat testing only and closed to the general public with pleasure boats . After noon, CF#s are required, and then the speed is limited to the speed of the other boats using the lake. Last October, after the test session was over, there were still race boats out testing, but they did have CF#s, and it was only them on the water so the rangers watched without anything said about the speed.......Another note about the Morning test sessions, there are no patrol boats at the lake to assist a driver in the event of problems. The nearest rescue would have to come from town, 15 minutes away. For this reason I would suggest a chase boat be brought along with the ***boat for safety reasons and the rangers will not charge for the back up boat. The other testers also like the idea of another boat at the ready to help. Those who use capsules do so at their own risk, as there aren't any divers around to assist the driver. I have only good experiences during this very rare oppertunity to run a racer legally for testing. Too bad it so far away.....Ray

[BUSBY]

So the KC $30. fee is for Fri and Sat night. As is the $50. club fee, so $80. was correct for the weekend. That makes the $50. club fee a little easier to swallow.
Actually you get Sunday night also ... Friday night, Saturday night & Sunday Night.
Now, Thursday mornings will cost you $40. to test from 8am til Noon.....Cf #s are NOT required during this time, it is for ***boat testing only and closed to the general public with pleasure boats . After noon, CF#s are required, and then the speed is limited to the speed of the other boats using the lake. Last October, after the test session was over, there were still race boats out testing, but they did have CF#s, and it was only them on the water so the rangers watched without anything said about the speed.......Another note about the Morning test sessions, there are no patrol boats at the lake to assist a driver in the event of problems. The nearest rescue would have to come from town, 15 minutes away. For this reason I would suggest a chase boat be brought along with the ***boat for safety reasons and the rangers will not charge for the back up boat. The other testers also like the idea of another boat at the ready to help. Those who use capsules do so at their own risk, as there aren't any divers around to assist the driver. I have only good experiences during this very rare oppertunity to run a racer legally for testing. Too bad it so far away.....Ray
This is w/ APBA & SCSC? Because I start setting the course up with a diver (Bruce Moss) on Thursday and we have NO BOATS out after Noon ... we have it set up that we rent the lake out from Thursday until Sunday ... but do not start course set up until noon on Thurday. I pull in about 1pm to 2pm and start getting equipment from Storage, etc.
The Rangers have been told that racers can use the lake until Noon ... but I have seen them as for lake use fees in the past. A whole different arguement w/ KC since we have rented out the lake ... why are they charging? I have personally had that confrontation 3 times this year.
But that is the way it's set up now with NJBA.

[Lookin for Liquid]

Final words to you: It has nothing to do with flattery and yes I do take it personal when someone is trying to make me look bad. And finally - it is very apparent the you do not comprehend!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mrs. MEANstreak, Final words to you; when Rich and I talk during a pre warm up session, I guarantee it would not be about you. As far as making you look bad that was never the intent as I think you have done that quite well on your own.
I would have paid those fees in an instant, just like I have paid NJBA for the last 20 years, if we were using the grounds for camping, but we didn't camp there either night!!!!!!! You have created this "look bad" situation all on your own by threatening to have paid entrants escorted off the property, because you were trying to collect fees for a service which we did not use. Another note on "looking bad" why don't you take a look at how you treat a paid entrant at the course and people in a public forum, I don't think you need me to help you "look bad". Your right, I do not comprehend someone that would buy a hanger for $80 and not be able to take it home, I work hard for my money, possibly you don't.
I am glad we have both had our final words on this matter and it can be laid to rest. I am very confident that Brian and the Board Members can come up with a solution.

[Mrs. Meanstreak]

Mrs. MEANstreak, Final words to you; when Rich and I talk during a pre warm up session, I guarantee it would not be about you. As far as making you look bad that was never the intent as I think you have done that quite well on your own.
I would have paid those fees in an instant, just like I have paid NJBA for the last 20 years, if we were using the grounds for camping, but we didn't camp there either night!!!!!!! You have created this "look bad" situation all on your own by threatening to have paid entrants escorted off the property, because you were trying to collect fees for a service which we did not use. Another note on "looking bad" why don't you take a look at how you treat a paid entrant at the course and people in a public forum, I don't think you need me to help you "look bad". Your right, I do not comprehend someone that would buy a hanger for $80 and not be able to take it home, I work hard for my money, possibly you don't.
I am glad we have both had our final words on this matter and it can be laid to rest. I am very confident that Brian and the Board Members can come up with a solution.
I'll make these the final words and then I'm not going to argue the point anymore because it doesn't matter anymore, but I must clarify once again. I had to return to your pits 3 times and before that 3rd time I spoke with Roadstrom Sr. and several other board members that were around and I was advised to let your team know that if you (actually Rich's wife) kept giving me the run around about paying, they would have to ask you to leave the grounds. It's that simple. I did not take it upon myself to let you know the course of action. If you didn't like being told that too bad. Deal with it. Like I said, your team has been the only team to have ever given me a hassle like you did so think about that. I was not only collecting fees for NJBA but also for the park ranger so yes I was also collecting fees that you can't argue about. Also to clarify, no one from your team ever and I mean ever mentioned anything to me that day or that weekend that you were not sleeping in either vehicle. If someone had mentioned something to me well then I could have asked board members to get with you to discuss it. I have done that for people in the past because I do not make the decisions. I merely do what I'm asked, trying to help the club.
I know this is a public forum and that is why I came on to defend my position in the situation.
As far as the $80 hanger goes, that is just ridiculous to go on about a made up situation but just to let you know, I don't have to work, I'm blessed with a husband that also works hard for his money which in turn allows me to be at home to raise my daughter. Goodbye to you forever!!

[Mrs. Meanstreak]

OK ... I told myself to stay away ... but ... just a small clarification ...
Ray, (Moneypitt) ...
The fee is $30 to Kern county for Friday - Sunday nights & $50 for the same three nights, $80 total for three nights of camping.
If you come down Thursday night, Kern County will not allow you in as we have 5 people authorized by NJBA as Security who are allowed in ... they have a list of license plates of who those are.
There have been times where racers have come in from far off to test-n-tune on Thursday ... (which has to be done BEFORE 12 noon on thursday, be CF numbered w/ current registration, and you'll have to pay the day lake use fee ... like $12 if caught by KC Rangers) ...
anyways, I've let one or two in on Thurs ... but they (KC Rangers) found out they (the campers) had to pay $18 for the night (what they ... KC ... normally charge nightly up the hill at the camp sites), if the rangers never found out ... well the campers slipped by.
The $30 and $50 is for Friday, Saturday & Sunday night.
Now guys ... don't jump on me. I've said I am going to take this issue to the board and let them know of all of your ideas ... I didn't make up the fees ... just explaining them.
And Denise ... Moneypitt (Ray) has given me a few great ideas in PM's in new revenue ideas ... so he's not a bad guy ... he's tryin' to help.
Brian
I didn't mean to come off sounding argumentative with Moneypitt (by the way, is that Ray Capaldi?)(if you can say). I just read that and thought "oh my, this is really going to get some blood boiling. Sincerely Sorry Moneypitt!

[Lookin for Liquid]

As far as the $80 hanger goes, that is just ridiculous to go on about a made up situation but just to let you know, I don't have to work, I'm blessed with a husband that also works hard for his money which in turn allows me to be at home to raise my daughter. Goodbye to you forever!!
I go out and buy popcorn for tonight and you say good buy forever, ahhhhh............oh-oh, I think someone else might have something to say about your rude attitude.
Bye

[Mrs. Meanstreak]

I'm outta this forum. I can't believe $50 has become such an issue for racers who spend thousands to race!?. I look at it as NJBA doing the racers a favor by letting them camp at the track for a small fee to save them the cost of a hotel room, but whatever. I'm just doing a job in support of NJBA. If you don't like a policy don't bitch about it to me when I'm collecting and don't bitch about me on the forum. Instead, be a real man and contact the board directly before you decide to publicly trash on an organization or an individual who is only supporting an organization. See ya at the races!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[*BN*]

Damn saw this thread here with 6 pages and thought sure it had to be a thread about a broken droop snoot. :hammer2:

[Jet Hydro]

JUST CURIOUS JET HYDRO, WHAT IS A "JET HYDRO" HMMMMM
DON'T WORRY, YOU WOULDN'T UNDERSTAND ANYWAY. HMMMMMMMMM :wink:

[single barrel]

I'm outta this forum. I can't believe $50 has become such an issue for racers who spend thousands to race!?. I look at it as NJBA doing the racers a favor by letting them camp at the track for a small fee to save them the cost of a hotel room, but whatever. I'm just doing a job in support of NJBA. If you don't like a policy don't bitch about it to me when I'm collecting and don't bitch about me on the forum. Instead, be a real man and contact the board directly before you decide to publicly trash on an organization or an individual who is only supporting an organization. See ya at the races!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Speaking of trash, you and Busby otta shut your mouths and stop embarrasing the organization in which you are poorly representing.

[BUSBY]

So we can all call it a day here and move on? Cool ...
See all of those of you who will be there next month ... to everyone else, goodnight.
We should call this meeting adjourned.

[BUSBY]

Speaking of trash, you and Busby otta shut your mouths and stop embarrasing the organization in which you are poorly representing.
Mr. Barrel,
I think this meeting has been adjourned ...

[yo daddy]

It's a funny thing about that avatar there busby, it looks like that is the way you talk also,oouuttaa your aassssss! and then somebody called you a cum bubble? ouch!

[BUSBY]

It's a funny thing about that avatar there busby, it looks like that is the way you talk also,oouuttaa your aassssss! and then somebody called you a cum bubble? ouch!
Well ... seeing as how I wasn't in that pic ... maybe you should address that to CS19, Nelson109 and FuelInMy Veins ... I think they were paying me tribute to me in that pic. Maybe yu should talk to them ... I think that they were the ones there ... but then again ... you might ask them as I wasn't there.
As far as talking outta my ass ... I haven't hidden behind any screen name and/or said anything that hasn't supported NJBA ... my club.
And, in closing, there is only one person IMO who is qualified to call me a cum bubble ... and I figure he has enough experience to do so ... and that's my Father. As far as the one guy who introduced me to the term (cum bubble)there is no secret that I have a sense of humor and took it in stride ... Shoot, I even look for others that have been called that ... I figure that he (the one who called me that in the first place) had to think long and hard to come up with that ...
But for those who do know the story, know it wasn't anyone here on the boards who came up with that ... it was someone who told it to my face at the races ... not one who hides behind any screen name.
You'll have to do better than that to get my feathers ruffled Mr. yo daddy ...
As I said ... This meeting is adjourned.

[Squirtin Thunder]

DON'T WORRY, YOU WOULDN'T UNDERSTAND ANYWAY. HMMMMMMMMM :wink:
It seems that not many understand a jet hydro. Hell I know I don't !!!

[FLYTE RISK]

[QUOTE=BUSBY]Actually, you are uneducated on the subject ... the county charges a $30 fee and NJBA charges $50. No different than IHBA. Have you checked out how much they are charging for things? Pit vehicle charges, tow off charges, etc. ...we don't want to compare the two clubs.
The whole reason we have had to become as you call "greedy" is because there are so called "trustworthy" racers and spectators who are always dodging out on paying ANY fees to the county for their rigs and it was starting to get out of control. We started charging so we could get rid of extra rigs & spectators who were bringing their RV's in and freeloading on the club.
Well just a thought here after reading this Busby, in the above statement,
if the K.C ranger's walk around collecting, or mrs. mean streak who posesses the power to have racer's removed. Collect the fee's, whyis the N.J.B.A being charged by the K.C ranger's for freeloading!! It appear's to me after reading this, N.J.B.A has a pretty good grasp as well as the ranger's on collecting fee's.. And this IS NOT about 50 dollar's or 500!! The ranger's write down the license plate # And the last time I was there Mike F along with MRS> Meanstreak collected!! Again please clarify how can there be freeloading that the club need's this extra 50 for insurance that the ranger's do not get all the so called free loaders to pay? :confused:

[Lookin for Liquid]

[QUOTE=Mrs. Meanstreak I'm outta this forum. I can't believe $50 has become such an issue for racers who spend thousands to race!?. I look at it as NJBA doing the racers a favor by letting them camp at the track for a small fee to save them the cost of a hotel room, but whatever.]
I agree that $50 is not to expensive for camping, I will say this one more time, my complaint is being charged for not camping.
[QUOTE=Mrs. Meanstreak I'm just doing a job in support of NJBA. If you don't like a policy don't bitch about it to me when I'm collecting and don't bitch about me on the forum.]
I do appreciate the position of a volunteer worker and never did I bitch about it to you in fact if you recall I never said one word to you while you were collecting.
[Quote=Mrs. Meanstreak Instead, be a real man and contact the board directly before you decide to publicly trash on an organization or an individual who is only supporting an organization. See ya at the races!!!!!!!!!!!!!]
Never in any of my posts have I trashed on NJBA or any of its Board members. Welcome to the world of forums as I am very aware that Board members are on this site and when it is discussed openly sometimes other people have insight and ideas as well which they have displayed.
Mr. Busby, I regret personal posts that are directed at you for that is not what this thread was intended to do. If you would like I will contact the moderator and have it locked down.

[Jet Hydro]

It seems that not many understand a jet hydro. Hell I know I don't !!! I`m sure of that!

[bp]

Damn saw this thread here with 6 pages and thought sure it had to be a thread about a broken droop snoot. :hammer2:
it is brian, you just need to read between the lines.
can't lock it down dan, just move it to the "bench campers" forum...
i say njba establishes a new rule: anyone towing from east of the rockies gets to camp for free! :cool:

[FlatJet]

I`m sure of that!
Hey jet hydro, I'm a flat jet. We have something in common, we both drag our ass. What is the purpose of having a jet on a hydro other than water skiing and going 12 seconds (if you go 12 seconds) What's up with that????

[*BN*]

On a serious note and I know it wouldn't be as simple as I am stating but this could be handle very easily IMHO.
Races are approx 1 month or more apart so there is time.
All teams / racers that pre-register should get all there stickers for cars / campers / haulers sent to them through the mail prior to the race sent via the mail. Hmmm if 100 pre-register you got what a 60-80 dollar bill and time invested.
Any vehicle in the pits that is not pre-registered is not allowed in until they have paid PERIOD.
If there is a vehicle in the pits the TEAM it belongs to is PENALIZED 100.00 per vehicle plus the regular fees and there is no excuse permitted PERIOD. (car or truck owner can not simply state.....hmmm we will park outside....THE TEAM is responsible.
Yes TEAMS will not like this but guess what they will make it right because couple hundred dollar penalties here and there could have helped pay for those nuts, bolts, washers, and tools that they LOSE over the course of a year.
Of course if this is to work the TEAMS need be informed of what is required of them:
Camping Fee
Toy Hauler FEE (if any)
Parking Fee
Spectator arm bands.
ETC. ETC....
The teams also would need to know when it is permitted to enter the pits if they ARE NOT pre-registered. Maybe certain hours Friday at the gate and Opening time Saturday AM.
With a system like this the CLUB should be able to get all the fees THAT ARE EXPECTED and posted for the event before they even left home.
There are many tow truck companies just waiting to haul anything. If nobody knows who owns the vehicles..tow them right then in there. Posts all the fees and rules on the entrances and bingo your covered.
THE NJBA SHOULD NOT NEED TO BE PARKING POLICE THE PARTICIPANTS AND SPECTATORS SHOULD HAVE SOME SORT OF CLUE AND RESPONSIBILITY.
lastly in my humble opinion again...ANY VEHICLE left in the pits overnight should have an overnight sticker and charged what ever needs to be charged camping, overnight, storage,,,WHAT EVER YOU WNAT TO CALL IT. THIS LEAVES NO GREY ALL BLACK!

[Jet Hydro]

Hey jet hydro, I'm a flat jet. We have something in common, we both drag our ass. What is the purpose of having a jet on a hydro other than water skiing and going 12 seconds (if you go 12 seconds) What's up with that???? :sleeping:
:idea: The purpose of having a jet on a hydro is that "I`m" the only one that has ever made one run past the number you seem to be stuck on, It runs in the 10`s but hasn't made a 10.0 pass as of yet so I race it in the SE Class.
Unlike most jet Hydros, Mine is a real hydro not a tunnel hull with a hydro top cap.
We`v been down this road many times with others. My main reason is because "They said it couldn't be done!"
"I dare to be different" and not take the easy road.
I enjoy designing and building things such as this boat. It is my design and seem`s to run nice and straight. So let me ask you this "Why not" ? I enjoy it, so that's all that matters to me :D
BTW... you may drag your ass but I sure don't. My boat is designed to run level.
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/4213Tail_up-med.jpg

[JetHead]

Hey jet hydro, I'm a flat jet. We have something in common, we both drag our ass. What is the purpose of having a jet on a hydro other than water skiing and going 12 seconds (if you go 12 seconds) What's up with that????
Hey FlatJet
JetHydro dude and JBG went at it a short time ago about that Jet Hydro thing and how he was putting V-Drive Hydro's on the trailer at the races, it all came out that he only won because of a staggered start, not heads up and he was bragging about that.

[Jet Hydro]

OMFG that picture right above is of my boat racing a V-Drive Hydro that was in the same class I was in and "Yes" I put em on the trailer. He`s put me on the trailer before so WTF?? Now the Pro Mod I raced was a staggered start and the reason I won was because I got to the finish line first not because it was a staggered start :cry: It`s all about running your number. I ran mine to the nats ass, Bet you wouldn't have the balls to set in the next lane with a 170mph boat coming down your back. Just to be racing a Pro Mod was cool but beating him in that round was the shits.
Why is it such a big ass deal? I have put many V-Drives on the trailer along with Jets. So WTF???? Unlike you, I`m out there on the rope showing the goods! Anyone that say`s they haven't been put on the trailer by something or another is either one of two things or both "a liar" or "boat less".
JetHead :idea: hummmmmmm what was the other name you go by on here? You just joined this month but know about the Waco race? Hell then you know about the 10.90 I ran with broken valve springs too :mix: ...lol... Hot Boat, it just doesn't much better then that...rotflmao

[Squirtin Thunder]

I`m sure of that!
I know that it works best if it is treated like a tunnel not a hydro !!!!

[Squirtin Thunder]

In the pic below it sure looks like you are carring the nose again !!!
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/4213Tail_up.jpg

[Jet Hydro]

I know that it works best if it is treated like a tunnel not a hydro !!!! Really? I didnt know you have ever played with my hull? How do you do that if it has no tunnels ? Mine is Flat on the bottom ((not a tunnel hull)) maybe I`ll learn something?

[Jet Hydro]

in that picture the boat is level. Yes, the sponsons are off the water but have you ever been in a hydro at 98mph in that kind of water?

[Squirtin Thunder]

Really? I didnt know you have ever played with my hull? How do you do that if it has no tunnels ? Mine is Flat on the bottom ((not a tunnel hull)) maybe I`ll learn something?
Damn see if you had a real Jet Hydro like a Sanger it would be much easier !!!

[Jet Hydro]

but a Sanger is NOT a Hydro it`s a tunnel hull with a hydro cap on top as I have spoken to the designer many times when I was designing my hull. If it was easy anyone could have done it and they would have done it long before I did it. Now how much fun would we be having today if they would have taken that from us....rotflmao

[*BN*]

in that picture the boat is level. Yes, the sponsons are off the water but have you ever been in a hydro at 98mph in that kind of water?
Everybody should learn from your setup. Never waste such horsepower on a turd.
Blown Alky @ 98mph?
Damn back in the mid 70's there was a normally aspirated Oldsmobile powered jet running 100 flat. Now that is a challenge WORTH taking!

[JetHead]

in that picture the boat is level. Yes, the sponsons are off the water but have you ever been in a hydro at 98mph in that kind of water?
98 MPH........................ you have to be freaking kidding me. A true Hydro (not a junk Jet Hydro) would be doing 98 MPH passing the starting lights and running over 200 MPH down the track. You should get a real supercharger and get rid of that Holley thing underdriven and all, come to think of it, get rid of the zoomies while you are at it, that thing is not making enough boost to make them work. With that setup, on a very good day you might make 550 HP. You want something that will run, get a tunnel boat, not that POS.
Why are you so proud of winning a race that really wasn't a race, heads up start or nothing, run what ya brung, no staggered starts. That guy you claim you put on the trailer running 170 MPH has 10 times more cash in his boat than you, you don't even rate lining up against something like that.
That's like John Force racing a Pinto in a staggered start, and the Pinto winning and taking the purse. When in the first place that Pinto had no right lining up against an operation like that. A guy with maybe 100 bucks total in his operation going against a guy with millions in his operation and winning, if you call a 20 second handicap winning.

[JetHead]

Everybody should learn from your setup. Never waste such horsepower on a turd.
Blown Alky @ 98mph?
Damn back in the mid 70's there was a normally aspirated Oldsmobile powered jet running 100 flat. Now that is a challenge WORTH taking!
That POS is Blown Alky powered, now I have seen everything, what an embarassment.

[JetHead]

Another thing JetHydro, why are you wearing a chute jacket? At the those speeds (98 MPH) that chute wouldn't even deploy properly anyway and just might hang up on the boat and get you killed if it went down.

[Jet Hydro]

Blown Alky
WOW I now have a Blown Alky??? Shit man, I whish I would have known that before I put gas in it...

[Jet Hydro]

98 MPH........................ you have to be freaking kidding me. A true Hydro (not a junk Jet Hydro) would be doing 98 MPH passing the starting lights and running over 200 MPH down the track. You should get a real supercharger and get rid of that Holley thing underdriven and all, come to think of it, get rid of the zoomies while you are at it, that thing is not making enough boost to make them work. With that setup, on a very good day you might make 550 HP. You want something that will run, get a tunnel boat, not that POS.
Why are you so proud of winning a race that really wasn't a race, heads up start or nothing, run what ya brung, no staggered strarts. That guy you claim you put on the trailer running 170 MPH has 10 times more cash in his boat than you, you don't even rate lining up against something like that.
That's like John Force racing a Pinto in a staggered start, and the Pinto winning and taking the purse. When in the first place that Pinto had no right lining up against an operation like that. A guy with maybe 100 bucks total in his operation going against a guy with millions in his operation and winning, if you call a 20 second handicap winning.
Has any one ever told you that "Your Stupid?"

[JetHead]

Has any one ever told you that "Your Stupid?"
I think you meant You're (notice the spelling) stupid, and you are.

[Jet Hydro]

You guy`s are gonna have to come up with better shit then this, Come on now "Get-R-Done" :cool:

[Squirtin Thunder]

You guy`s are gonna have to come up with better shit then this, Come on now "Get-R-Done" :cool:
Why do you have a dragster as your avatar ???
Not your boat ???
When is that boat going to be racing again with the new faster paint scheme ???

[Jet Hydro]

I also race a lot of other things like, motocross, drag cars and IMCA Mods are just a few.
We are working a deal right now to make it to the WF, if it all works out right we will be there. Maybe I`ll even bring the good motor, you know the Blown Alky deal...ROTFLMAO.. :D

[*BN*]

WOW I now have a Blown Alky??? Shit man, I whish I would have known that before I put gas in it...
Do you remeber this discussion you had?
"it looks like you were unsure if you would win or lose when you opened your mouth challenging me to a race when running your 460 alky motor."
At one time you boasted heavily about your 460 bloan alky motor.
I thought this was a classic post post from the old days September 2001 listed below.......and your at 98 now 4 years later BUAAAAAAAW.
V-driveBoatGuru I will give him a call Thursday. Give me an E mail with your REAL Name and I will see if this is True.
racing@msinter.net.
If I remember right you said the pot is up to $3000.00 +. I will show up for that.Oh and Dave said he has a $1000.00 too so it should be $4000.00 +.You did send your money, didnt you Dave?
They will only give me one run at the 100mph mark because when I hit it, my weekend will be over. I don`t have all of the Safety Equipment on the boat for the 100+ classes yet.
You still havent sent me my $5000.00 yet.
Was that (((((Phoenix))))) ...lol...

[JetHead]

I also race a lot of other things like, motocross, drag cars and IMCA Mods are just a few.
We are working a deal right now to make it to the WF, if it all works out right we will be there. Maybe I`ll even bring the good motor, you know the Blown Alky deal...ROTFLMAO.. :D
Hey Cheeseball,
World Finals of what ?????? Swamp buggy racing !!!!!!!!!!
In what form of racing can you honestly compete with that thing you call a motor, looks like it came directly out of a tractor puller or swamp buggy with those zoomies.
Before you start knocking something you know nothing about or will never attend, you better get your ducks in a row. The NJBA will be a better place without you, scram.

[Jet Hydro]

BN
I have NEVER, now read my lips, "NEVER HAD A 460 blown alky motor. As a matter of fact, I have never had a FORD motor either. We had a 978 hp Chevy in a mustang back in 2001, but I have never had a FORD motor. :argue:
Now for the old post you posted... Never have told anyone on here what the top MPH is now have I? Only what it was on a pass, but anyone can find out what MPH each of my runs are except T&T`s because those are not posted ...lol... nice try...lol... :cry:
Funny thing is I don't remember any BN from 2001 what's your other user names from those good old days? The bet is still on if any of you want to make it good this time?????? :crossx: ROTFLMAO
OH Yea (((((Phoenix))))) ..ROTFLMAO

[Jet Hydro]

Hey Cheeseball,
World Finals of what ?????? Swamp buggy racing !!!!!!!!!!
In what form of racing can you honestly compete with that thing you call a motor, looks like it came directly out of a tractor puller or swamp buggy with those zoomies.
Before you start knocking something you know nothing about or will never attend, you better get your ducks in a row. The NJBA will be a better place without you, scram.
First off
Now Now there new guy...lol... don't get em up in a bunch like that. As a matter of fact back in 1987 I was the Midwest Mud Bog Champion.
Now as far as the NJBA
I never knocked on them in anyway other then saying that I would not pay them to stay in my motor home. Now if the racers/people there are anything like you, I wouldn't go there even if I was paid to race one of their races. You make your club look good.... Keep up the good job!
Now last of all you talk about my motor
First you call it a blown alky motor
Now it`s a tractor puller or swamp buggy motor...lol you got some skills don't ya?

[*BN*]

BN
Funny thing is I don't remember any BN from 2001 what's your other user names from those good old days?
As stated many times I have been here since week one of these forums. Lost the original when the forum took a crap.
Where did I or anyone mention the F-WORD? FORD????
ONLY 978 HP in your boat. Then what the hell was this post back in August of 2002?
Originally posted by Jet Hydro:
Ok guys, I got me a 1100hp dump truck motor.....

[JetHead]

Funny thing is I don't remember any BN from 2001 what's your other user names from those good old days?
Looks as if you did a name change in 2003 as well, trying to hide from your past?
Funny thing is that your past will always come back, no matter how hard you try to bury it, especially the stupidity aspect of it.
Why in the hell would you take that POS to Phoenix and embarass yourself with that junk?

[JetHead]

Originally posted by Jet Hydro:
Ok guys, I got me a 1100hp dump truck motor.....
Iron heads, vacuum instead of boost and an HEI distributor making 1100 HP, the more you post, the more stupid you appear.

[JetHead]

Now as far as the NJBA
I wouldn't go there even if I was paid to race one of their races.
They might pay you not to show up.

[JetHead]

I ran mine into the nats ass.
That's the best place for it. By the way, I think it is spelled gnat.

[Jet Hydro]

As stated many times I have been here since week one of these forums. Lost the original when the forum took a crap.
Where did I or anyone mention the F-WORD? FORD????
ONLY 978 HP in your boat. Then what the hell was this post back in August of 2002?
Can you not read??? MUSTANG

[Jet Hydro]

Originally posted by Jet Hydro:
Ok guys, I got me a 1100hp dump truck motor.....
Iron heads, vacuum instead of boost and an HEI distributor making 1100 HP, the more you post, the more stupid you appear.
the more stupid you appear...lol... HEI distributor, vacuum instead of boost, Iron heads ...oh hell thats funny

[Jet Hydro]

They might pay you not to show up.I`d be cool with that :rolleyes:

[Jet Hydro]

Where did I or anyone mention the F-WORD? FORD????
Where did I or mention having a Blown Alky never the less a 460? :squiggle:

[*BN*]

Can you not read??? MUSTANG
Not sure where the hell your coming from. You posted directly to me regarding FORD shit...still don't know where that came from nor do I care.

[BUSBY]

Sorry guys ... I thought this meeting was adjourned last night ... but I now see it has changed topics ...
But I'm a little confused :confused:
Is it or is it not a tunnel? You have said two different things ...
Unlike most jet Hydros, Mine is a real hydro not a tunnel hull with a hydro top cap.
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/4213Tail_up-med.jpg
Has ran a tunnel hull in the high 9`s.
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/502/4213racemotor-med.JPG

[*BN*]

Where did I or mention having a Blown Alky never the less a 460? :squiggle:
You got into to with several guys here a couple of years ago.
One of the posters and yourself were getting hot about a racing eachother.
The psoter replied to you wuth this information after you toild him what you were bringing.
The problem is that during of the many times you said you were quitting this forum you mass edited all your posts blank. So the thread is kinda weird looking since people are talking about your alky deal and all of your posts have been edited blank.
Here is one of the posts:
"it looks like you were unsure if you would win or lose when you opened your mouth challenging me to a race when running your 460 alky motor."
Here is the thread, FUNNY SHIZNIT in this old dog:
http://www2.***boat.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6904

[Jet Hydro]

Where does it say that I have a 460 blown alky motor ?

[Jet Hydro]

Sorry guys ... I thought this meeting was adjourned last night ... but I now see it has changed topics ...
But I'm a little confused :confused:
Is it or is it not a tunnel? You have said two different things ...
OK BUSBoY if you want to take a shot, I`ll give you just one free one unlike your camping fee`s. Now where does it say that it has ran MY boat in the high 9`s? The guy I bought if from had a tunnel hull as this was one of Duane's deals. So you figure it out and get back to me.
BUSBoY if you would have been posting back when I redesigned this boat you might know a little something about what you just stuck your nose in. There are a ton of pictures of the bottom of my boat in that topic so why dont you go take a look see and tell me that my boat is a tunnel hull.

[Jet Hydro]

You got into to with several guys here a couple of years ago.
One of the posters and yourself were getting hot about a racing eachother.
The psoter replied to you wuth this information after you toild him what you were bringing.
The problem is that during of the many times you said you were quitting this forum you mass edited all your posts blank. So the thread is kinda weird looking since people are talking about your alky deal and all of your posts have been edited blank.
Here is one of the posts:
"it looks like you were unsure if you would win or lose when you opened your mouth challenging me to a race when running your 460 alky motor."
Here is the thread, FUNNY SHIZNIT in this old dog:
http://www2.***boat.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6904
So did you go to Jail future boater and did you see the post about the mustang??? he said a 5??? something not a 460....duhhhhhhhhhhhh And yes, those were the good old days :D :D

[*BN*]

Don't waste your time guessing I did not post once in that thread. Just wait till somebody either tells you or I do because you probably will never figure it out.
BTW: Alky or no Alky as I stated before I believe you have whole lot of wasted motor there and nobody should follow your lead just based on your trials and tribulations. Your record proves my point.
In other words if ANYBODY ever asked me about a JET HYDRO I would point them DIRECTLY to this forum and read your posts. It wouldn't take them more than 2 threads to realize that boat is not intended for a speed application.
Originally posted by Jet Hydro:
I have no real reason for picking the hull other than it looked cool!

[Jet Hydro]

.
BTW: Alky or no Alky as I stated before I believe you have whole lot of wasted motor there and nobody should follow your lead just based on your trials and tribulations. Your record proves my point..
Yep you`re right, my record proves you`re point...lol... .
Maybe you should get to know me before you judge me or even see what I have done with the boat before you judge it.
Cost, I was pitted next to Steve this weekend and I will attest to the potential of the boat and how far he has came in a year, I believe for what it is worth that the boat will make the century mark in the near future, and I also believe Steve is taking the right approach with a boat that has very little high performance history, a little at a time is a lot safer than the way I learned about my boats, BALLS TO THE WALLS AND LET THE LOOSE END FLOP, which in flats that is the only way to find out if they have a problem, again his program is moving right along and he finished better than me, with my blown jet ride, I broke out by a tenth or so, and went home......

[Jet Hydro]

I find it so funny that you guy`s have nothing better to do then to worry about how much money I have to blow on a boat. I`m very happy with what I have done in the last 4 years with a boat that was not designed right. The key word is "I" did it and "I`m" happy with it!.
If you can not except the fact that I like my boat that I built then it`s your problem. I don't care if you approve of it because I didnt do it for your approval. I did it because it is one of the things in life that I enjoy doing and that is building stuff. Most of you that talk your crap have never built any thing in your life.Hell in my early 20`s I built a monster truck and got paid just to show up with it. There again I built it and for no other then myself.
I designed this boat, then went after it and made it work. Deal with it! Life is to short to worry about what I`m doing. Have fun driving something you had nothing to do with other then handing over the money to buy it.
http://www2.***boat.com/forums/showthread.php?t=41826&page=1
Peace out

[*BN*]

I find it so funny that you guy`s have nothing better to do then to worry about how much money I have to blow on a boat.
Dude you have issues. I could give a flying leap how much you spend.
BUT YOU OBVIOUSLY DO......DO YOU RELIZE YOU POSTED THESE COMMENTS ON THIS THREAD. Maybe if you spent you coin on proven race boat you could afford the lousy 80 bucks.
WOW
I`ll tell you that if it were I,
I`d turn my shit around and go back home if "you" wanted to charge me to stay with my race boat!
I have only paid one time to stay in the pits and it was with CSDBA. I told myself that if I ever have to pay again, I`ll keep my entry fee money and drive back to the lake at home. It`s a rip-off to charge racers to stay with their boats. We are the SHOW and with out us you have no race. Go a head and bend over the racer that spent a minimum of $20k to $30k in their boat, $25k at minimum for an RV or travel trailer & another $1k to come out in fuel travel expenses and see where the racers go. Use your head people, haven't the racers spent enough money to support the promoters already? :devil:
Why is it so hard for you to understand? We racers spend enough just getting to the races to support your race in the first place. I know that I have never done a NJBA race but 2 of us were talking about making the trip but you have made my mind up for me. Like I said, if I drove the 2000 mile trip, I`d turn around and go back home before I pay to stay in my motor home.
I`m just glad the org I race with treats us racers like we should be. Maybe that`s why we had the biggest boat race this year ????

[Jet Hydro]

Yea I do but then I`d be just like you and I would not be happy driving something I just bought. Sorry, I enjoy what I do and wouldn`t have it anyother way. It`s not about the $80.00 in the first place.
Remember, it was started to cut back on RV`s and Car/Trucks that didnt belong in the pits. Not to see if we can get the racer to kick out a little more money. There to I stand true behind what I said "I will not Pay NJBA to stay in my motor home" Nothing against NJBA, I told CSDBA the same thing. BTW... they are no longer because of greed!

[*BN*]

There to I stand true behind what I said "I will not Pay NJBA to stay in my motor home" Nothing against NJBA, I told CSDBA the same thing. BTW... they are no longer because of greed!
I know nothing of the CSDBA but you have implied to me that they are no longer because of the lack of FUNDS. If all racers choose to be like you and not want to pay the fee they need to keep afloat they ALL will be gone and you and everyone else will have no place to run.
Just remember and again this is my opinion.....if it wasn't for Top Fuel and Top Alcohol hydro IHBA would be nothing more than another NJBA (if at all)because the attendance would be like most organizations out there trying to offer MORE RACES AND ALTERNATIVES for our enjoyment.
If the only organization you want to have out there offering races is IHBA......IF everybody had your attitude it would probably happen!
Like I stated in another thread....when you type you just leave a target on yourself.
PS: I am not bashing IHBA....they offer another alternative for all and really the only choice for the TFH / TAH.

[BUSBY]

OK BUSBoY if you want to take a shot, I`ll give you just one free one unlike your camping fee`s. Now where does it say that it has ran MY boat in the high 9`s? The guy I bought if from had a tunnel hull as this was one of Duane's deals. So you figure it out and get back to me.
BUSBoY if you would have been posting back when I redesigned this boat you might know a little something about what you just stuck your nose in. There are a ton of pictures of the bottom of my boat in that topic so why dont you go take a look see and tell me that my boat is a tunnel hull.
Hey easy there tiger ... not getting in your face or talking trash ... I didn't see your bottom thread ... soooooory.
Wow ... must be a touchy subjet. I was confused ... and asking, never seen one like that. I'll go look at the thread. In your engine sale post, it sounded like your boat was like a Sanger tunnel.
(Man ... maybe I should have not come back ... this should be a whole new topic in bench trashing) ...

[Jet Hydro]

Have you ever been a race promoter?
Yes CSDBA is no longer because of Greed and nothing else. They pissed off 50% of the racers then went after the other orgs only to try to pad the pockets of those in charge. Had nothing to do with lack of funds till they piss everyone off. They had the Idea of "it`s our way or we don't need you." Now where have we heard that before? Well, 1/2 the racers said ok we don't need you and their boat count went down to 48 boats at one their last races. I talked to one the new guys that is trying to start up a new org but I`m afraid after talking to him he`s gonna do the same thing so it`s not gonna happen either or if it does it wont last long unless he wakes up fast. I`v been on both ends as a racer and a promoter. I have brought many things to the table for a few that were willing to really listen.

[Jet Hydro]

Hey easy there tiger ... not getting in your face or talking trash ... I didn't see your bottom thread ... soooooory.
Wow ... must be a touchy subjet. I was confused ... and asking, never seen one like that. I'll go look at the thread. In your engine sale post, it sounded like your boat was like a Sanger tunnel.
(Man ... maybe I should have not come back ... this should be a whole new topic in bench trashing) ...
lol it`s ok BUSBY, you just popped in at the wrong time. Thats why you got the free hall pass :D ..ROTFLMAO

[*BN*]

Have you ever been a race promoter?
No
Are you reading the entire posts and getting the POINT?
Like I stated I knew nothing of that organization but what you implied. I did not need to know the history was just using to make a point.
It still a fact, people with your attitude displayed on this thread ONLY hurts racing and does NOTHING positive.
I'm done.

[BUSBY]

Dude ... I guess so ... like I said ... I guess I should have left when I did ... now I will (again) ... I'm out!
Later.

[Jet Hydro]

Like I posted, I have brought many thing to the table in my short time in this sport. Some of it has been even used :jawdrop: I really don't think trying to get the orgs to lower some of the expense is gonna hurt anyone except those that do pad pockets of board members. ((((NOT SAYING NJBA DOES THAT))))) I don't know who does what there so I cant say one way or the other. We have a few plans to get a new org started up and be more racer friendly then some of the others out there in hopes to attract new racers to the sport. That expense is one expense we want to cut along with lower entry fees for the entry level boats. There's a lot to it and I wont go it to details here on HOT DRAMA BOAT. I`m sure you can understand why.

[djdtpr]

Holy crap talk about something getting completely off track.There are people that have never even been to a njba race or let alone raced at one and they are trying to explain why and what is going on that is funny shit.Get over it move on if ya dont want to race with this asc. then dont if you do then do. Its that simple and doesnt need to be beet to death on a public forum.I think if ya got a problem grow some sack and address it the way it should be not here not in front of god and everyone who has no friggin idea what they are talking about.So go ahead and fire away i probably diserve it. :notam:

[Cs19]

Jet hydro, you do this everytime. You constantly re-post the same shit, oh and talk about your jet hydro somewhere else, this isnt the best thread to tell us all about it and how your such a hardcore racer AGAIN
Let this thread go already, its over.

[Squirtin Thunder]

Jet hydro, you do this everytime. You constantly re-post the same shit, oh and talk about your jet hydro somewhere else, this isnt the best thread to tell us all about it and how your such a hardcore racer AGAIN
Let this thread go already, its over.
But Chris,
I am still trying to figure out what he is trying to say,
and what the Hell a Jet Hydro really is, besides an Oxymoron !!!

[Jet Hydro]

Jet hydro, you do this everytime. You constantly re-post the same shit, oh and talk about your jet hydro somewhere else, this isnt the best thread to tell us all about it and how your such a hardcore racer AGAIN
Let this thread go already, its over.
I think you must have been addressing Squirtin Thunder in that post because he asked and I replied. The next time someone asks I`l check in wit ya before I reply to em and make sure it`s ok. :sleeping: all I did was reply to what was asked :jawdrop: ... Sorry my bad ...lol..Squirtin Thunder you chain yanker, you need your hands slapped...

[Squirtin Thunder]

I raced (River Racer) 1 time at lake Ming last year, and barring any more family medical problems, will race again, September and October.
I had a great time, and love the event. When you consider all the work that has to be done, and that all the workers are volenteers. You have to say to yourself these people are great!
Let me say THANK YOU! To all the people responsible for putting on the race, keep up the good work.
We appreciate the time that you spend, to make it work.
I'm sorry that you have to put up with the long distance whineing.
Stop by and see me, in September, so I can thank you in person, I'll be the guy who is grining from ear to ear.
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/5859ronandjim.jpg
Ron Bring extra PLUGS this time please !!!

[Squirtin Thunder]

I think you must have been addressing Squirtin Thunder in that post because he asked and I replied. The next time someone asks I`l check in wit ya before I reply to em and make sure it`s ok. :sleeping: all I did was reply to what was asked :jawdrop: ... Sorry my bad ...lol..Squirtin Thunder you chain yanker, you need your hands slapped...
No way I just need to hit 5400 now !!!
And we might have a race !!!
I promise I won't break 100mph but I won't promise no power adders !!!

[Squirtin Thunder]

[QUOTE=Jeanyus]I raced (River Racer) 1 time at lake Ming last year, and barring any more family medical problems, will race again, September and October.
I had a great time, and love the event. When you consider all the work that has to be done, and that all the workers are volenteers. You have to say to yourself these people are great!
Let me say THANK YOU! To all the people responsible for putting on the race, keep up the good work.
We appreciate the time that you spend, to make it work.
I'm sorry that you have to put up with the long distance whineing.
Stop by and see me, in September, so I can thank you in person, I'll be the guy who is grining from ear to ear.[QUOTE]
I agree with Ron 100%
Shut up and get out there and run no excuses !!!
That includes LVjetboy

[Jetboatguru]

[QUOTE=Jeanyus]I raced (River Racer) 1 time at lake Ming last year, and barring any more family medical problems, will race again, September and October.
I had a great time, and love the event. When you consider all the work that has to be done, and that all the workers are volenteers. You have to say to yourself these people are great!
Let me say THANK YOU! To all the people responsible for putting on the race, keep up the good work.
We appreciate the time that you spend, to make it work.
I'm sorry that you have to put up with the long distance whineing.
Stop by and see me, in September, so I can thank you in person, I'll be the guy who is grining from ear to ear.[QUOTE]
I agree with Ron 100%
Shut up and get out there and run no excuses !!!
That includes LVjetboy
That includes you!! Dont be a railbird

[Squirtin Thunder]

That includes you!! Dont be a railbird
It was kind of mainly directed at that Jet Hydro Guy !!!
Ron and I had this conversation last week, it does suck but what are we supposed to do boycott Kern County ???
What is a railbird ???

[Jet Hydro]

What did you direct at that Jet Hydro Guy? I don't use any excuses, I`m on the holding rope every chance I get. :hammer2:

[Jeanyus]

:sleeping:
:idea: The purpose of having a jet on a hydro is that "I`m" the only one that has ever made one run past the number you seem to be stuck on, It runs in the 10`s but hasn't made a 10.0 pass as of yet so I race it in the SE Class.
Unlike most jet Hydros, Mine is a real hydro not a tunnel hull with a hydro top cap.
We`v been down this road many times with others. My main reason is because "They said it couldn't be done!"
"I dare to be different" and not take the easy road.
I enjoy designing and building things such as this boat. It is my design and seem`s to run nice and straight. So let me ask you this "Why not" ? I enjoy it, so that's all that matters to me :D
BTW... you may drag your ass but I sure don't. My boat is designed to run level.
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/4213Tail_up-med.jpg
I say you can't jump off the roof of your house, head first, bounce your lid off the concrete driveway, and not get hurt. It can't be done. OK now go prove I'm wrong. ;)
What the heck this thread is headed for bench racers anyways.

[Cs19]

drop it already guys, let it go.

[Jet Hydro]

I say you can't jump off the roof of your house, head first, bounce your lid off the concrete driveway, and not get hurt. It can't be done. OK now go prove I'm wrong. ;)
What the heck this thread is headed for bench racers anyways.
Get a life!

[Moneypitt]

What a great way to kill this otherwise informative thread................MP

[sdpm]

STOP IT!!!
I still want to know what a railbird is?? :confused:

[BUSBY]

STOP IT!!!
I still want to know what a railbird is?? :confused:
Rail Bird:
Birds of the family Rallidae are called rails. The birds' bodies are usually narrow enough to enable them to slip through dense vegetation, such as in the marshes they typically inhabit. Rails ordinarily remain on the ground and are difficult to flush, secretive, and sometimes nocturnal in habit. Commonly heard rather than seen, they emit certain calls and squawks characteristic of the species.
These small- to medium-size birds have moderate to long legs and long toes, which are advantageous for walking or running over soft ground. They often flick their short tails, which are cocked upward. They are usually but not always colored gray, brown, and dull red; the plumage usually has a loose texture, and the sexes look alike. Bills range from stubby to elongate, depending on the species. Rails are omnivorous, but many species predominantly eat small animals. Their nests generally are well hidden and well separated. Clutches often contain 6 to 12 eggs, and both sexes usually participate in incubating them. The young at hatching are covered by a black or brownish down in most species and leave the nest immediately after hatching.
Rails are distributed throughout the world except in polar regions. About 132 species are recognized, some of which are important game birds. Two such game species of North America are the clapper rail, Rallus longirostris, and the Virginia rail, R. limicola. Despite the fact that they have stubby wings, a high ratio of weight to wing area, and apparently weak flight when flushed, some species migrate long distances, often flying at night. Species of various islands have independently evolved flightlessness. Rails on islands have proved vulnerable to human-caused disturbances, and at least 12 species and subspecies have become extinct within the past 300 years. The flightless rail of Wake Island in the Pacific Ocean is the only species of bird whose extinction is directly attributable to human warfare. It was exterminated during World War II.
The rail family also includes gallinules and coots. Gallinules typically are marsh dwellers, and some have brightly colored forehead shields and iridescent plumage.

[BUSBY]

drop it already guys, let it go.
As Chris said ...

[sdpm]

Hey Jethydro, awhile back I saw a picture of your boat at a race and it looked like the sponsons were 2 ft out of the water and climbing. :jawdrop: Did you correct that or is that how the boat runs? I agree with you that it is kind of nice to be the only one that has ran a boat this fast with this set up. Looked pretty dangerous to me at least from the picture I saw. I can't remember where I saw it. Do you remember where it is? Looking at the pic's from the O.K. race, I would love to hit that one next year. A friend of mine Randy Ball lives in Shawnee. Be safe. Neil

[sdpm]

Brian, check your PM's. Neil

[BUSBY]

Brian, check your PM's. Neil
Got it and replied ... :cool:
Brian

[Jetboatguru]

A railbird is someone that sits back and watches an issue (such as the camping fee deal) has absolutely no involvement in it, but will still everyone to "Shut up and get out there and run, no excuses." Also known as the "peanut gallery." :D

[BUSBY]

A railbird is someone that sits back and watches an issue (such as the camping fee deal) has absolutely no involvement in it, but will still everyone to "Shut up and get out there and run, no excuses." Also known as the "peanut gallery." :D
Thanks Tony for resolving the issue ... that is what I was trying to get across ... :cool:
Brian

[Jet Hydro]

Hey Jethydro, awhile back I saw a picture of your boat at a race and it looked like the sponsons were 2 ft out of the water and climbing. :jawdrop: Did you correct that or is that how the boat runs? I agree with you that it is kind of nice to be the only one that has ran a boat this fast with this set up. Looked pretty dangerous to me at least from the picture I saw. I can't remember where I saw it. Do you remember where it is? Looking at the pic's from the O.K. race, I would love to hit that one next year. A friend of mine Randy Ball lives in Shawnee. Be safe. Neil
Yes, we have corrected that problem, that's what the new bottom design was all about. The old bottom had a ramp for the pod so the faster the boat went the higher the boat would go until is was totally off the water. It was very dangerous as you guessed. I was lucky that the boat would land flat with out digging a sponson in. The pod was the main reason why the Hondo Jet Hydro`s would not perform like the should have. If Hondo would have changed the bottom design they might have sold more of em. The new design I have works great but now I have a few more Ideas that I may try latter down the road. I`ll look and see if I can find that picture and post it for ya

[Jet Hydro]

http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/4213Wacorace2.bmp

[Squirtin Thunder]

http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/4213Wacorace2.bmp
See now your really carrying the Nose !!!
Too bad your running a Chevy or the left sponson would be in the water from all the Ford torque.
How fast is that run, Honestly ???
BTW - Looks good !!!

[TRG]

See now your really carrying the Nose !!!
Too bad your running a Chevy or the left sponson would be in the water from all the Ford torque.
How fast is that run, Honestly ???
Jim, you ever get that squirt'n FERD back together so you can try to saw me off?...ya "Big talker betty crocker!!"
you might wanna make the trip down to the ol' wood pile this weekeknd try me out! :idea: :D
Todd

[Squirtin Thunder]

Jim, you ever get that squirt'n FERD back together so you can try to saw me off?...ya "Big talker betty crocker!!"
you might wanna make the trip down to the ol' wood pile this weekeknd try me out! :idea: :D
Todd
Ya OK with this juck yard truck engine. Lets do it !!!! :cool: :2purples:

[TRG]

So you are back on the water??

[Squirtin Thunder]

So you are back on the water??
I will be very soon !!!! :cool:

[TRG]

are we talkin blythe this weekend soon??

[Squirtin Thunder]

are we talkin blythe this weekend soon??
I am trying to have it together for this weekend we have friends coming from Texas !!!
As for your scronny little ass you be here soon enough.

[cyclone]

Yes, we have corrected that problem, that's what the new bottom design was all about. The old bottom had a ramp for the pod so the faster the boat went the higher the boat would go until is was totally off the water. It was very dangerous as you guessed. I was lucky that the boat would land flat with out digging a sponson in. The pod was the main reason why the Hondo Jet Hydro`s would not perform like the should have. If Hondo would have changed the bottom design they might have sold more of em. The new design I have works great but now I have a few more Ideas that I may try latter down the road. I`ll look and see if I can find that picture and post it for ya
Does the boat now ride on the sponsons at wide open throttle with the new bottom design? do you have a current pic of the boat running? You know i used to have a vee bottom boat that ran pretty damn good and i kept finding more speed and ET in it every trip to the track. But when every knowledgable person around me told me to stop racing it before i crashed i listened. I'm not saying that's what's happening in your case but looking at that photo of your boat with the sponsons that high in the air makes me wonder if the novelty of running a boat that fast just because no one else is, outweighs the danger of doing so? Hopefully, you've got it flying right. I'd hate to see you or anyone else get hurt out there.

[TRG]

Good point Finnegan!

[Unchained]

Regardless of the performance of the Jet Hydro boat before or after, I was impressed at the job Steve did in reworking the bottom to that extent. It was inventive and looked good when He got done.

[TRG]

No doubt he did an excellent job in reforming the bottom!!!

[Jet Hydro]

Does the boat now ride on the sponsons at wide open throttle with the new bottom design? do you have a current pic of the boat running? You know i used to have a vee bottom boat that ran pretty damn good and i kept finding more speed and ET in it every trip to the track. But when every knowledgable person around me told me to stop racing it before i crashed i listened. I'm not saying that's what's happening in your case but looking at that photo of your boat with the sponsons that high in the air makes me wonder if the novelty of running a boat that fast just because no one else is, outweighs the danger of doing so? Hopefully, you've got it flying right. I'd hate to see you or anyone else get hurt out there.This is Waco at the finish line, it was the first pass with the new bottom and it was something like 10.90 @92mph or around there some where.
http://www2.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/208Waco_2004_11_0_et-med.jpg
This one is the last race "Brick Town"
I took .030 out of the ride plate because the air was so bad and I couldn't run my number so I let the nose up a little to get where I needed to be with out changing the motor set up.
The sponsons are just ticking the water like I wanted em to do. You can see the spray coming off them. I think that run was 11.020 if I remember right?
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/4213ScreenHunter_015.jpg
Its really come along nicely as far as the ride and handling. You can drive with one hand if you wanted too.
Not one knowledgeable person around me has ever told me to stop racing it before I crash. Those that have seen it run have been very impressed with they way I have handled the boat and at the way it has progressed forward in the last few years. I try not to do anything stupid but just like anything, you have those moments, such as that air shot I took in Waco. That was the only time that has ever happened and there was a lot of things that factored in to that run. There was a lot of wind, bad water and I didn't set up right. I had the wrong wedge in and I pushed the tune-up way to far. I learn by what doesn't kill me...lol... Now that was just a joke so don't go nutzz with it....lol..

[cyclone]

glad to hear the boat is working the way you want it to. looks much safer in that last pic and i dig the new paint job too. good job! :)

[Squirtin Thunder]

Looks Good !!!
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/4213ScreenHunter_015.jpg

[Jet Hydro]

Thanks guy`s :D