How well

[Blown 472]

do you know your elected officals?? you hang with them? know their family? grow up with them? or do you just put all your trust in them from what you see on the tv??

[canuck1]

I know mine. He was a lazy ass shitehead from grade three on

[CrazyHippy]

do you know your elected officals?? you hang with them? know their family? grow up with them? or do you just put all your trust in them from what you see on the tv??
I'll bite...
I dont hang w/ them or know their families, dont care to. I do more research than is shown on TV, and vote based on track records as opposed to emotion, or what the moron on the TV says.
And yourself?
BJH

[Blown 472]

I'll bite...
I dont hang w/ them or know their families, dont care to. I do more research than is shown on TV, and vote based on track records as opposed to emotion, or what the moron on the TV says.
And yourself?
BJH
I dont watch tv, or buy into the two party system.

[CrazyHippy]

I dont watch tv, or buy into the two party system.
So what system do you "buy into?"

[Beer-30]

Hey hey!!!
This is not the Hot Politician board! There are other boards for that. :)

[Freak]

I know mine. He was a lazy ass shitehead from grade three on
Ha ha ha LOL. That got a chuckle out of me.

[Blown 472]

So what system do you "buy into?"
I lean more towards third party folks as they aren't as greasy and covered with corp sponsors.

[Creator]

It's all corrupt, Republican or Dem. They all say one thing then do what ever their finacial backers want them too. It's all about easy street for them, they just do what will bring in the most campaign money so they can get reelected the next term.
Hell I would love to be an official, Good money, Great perks, better than "driving by badge" to the river, and you can do almost anthing to your people and still get another term purely because you have the money to run a bigger campaign. Sounds good to me.
I vote republican, I have learned that the third party vote does nothing. I hope someday that will change. We need it!
I hope Hillary decides to run for Pres., That will almost guarantee another Republican pres. With enough republicans back to back we may actually get this country going on the right track again.

[SmokinLowriderSS]

I vote republican, I have learned that the third party vote does nothing. I hope someday that will change. We need it!
I hope Hillary decides to run for Pres., That will almost guarantee another Republican pres. With enough republicans back to back we may actually get this country going on the right track again.
Unfortunately I must agree with my wish there was a viable third party in this country. I would likely hang out somewhere between Repub and Libertarian. I dissagree with parts of both of their positions (the mark of a true independent). I doubt there will ever be a viable presidential 3rd party, certainly not within my lifetime. I generally vote Republican. I also vote past reccord
I am 100% certain Hillary will run for pres. I think there is a far better than even odds that she will either loose her senate seat OR will drop out of that race, thus saving (I've heard estimates of $30 Million) for her presidential run. There is a solid pro-homeland defence, anti-crime, anti-tax candidate running aginst her who is similar to her on many of Hillary's "best" (liberal social) issues. Hillary's worst problem is that she will not be being a senator for the 2 years of her seat (if she wins). She will be running for the presidency nad raising $$$. Her opponent is swearing to be their senator for 6 years, and is willing to beat Hillary over the head with that "fact".
Ther are a lot of sources for info on candidates other than TV, Radio, Newspapers. I check out most of them, pay attention to what is left UNSAID (running the BS filters on high) and make my decisions, mostly on their history. Some decisions are easy (Bush-v-Kerry). Some are harder (my local/natl reps/sens).

[CrazyHippy]

I lean more towards third party folks as they aren't as greasy and covered with corp sponsors.
I'm not all that greasy (not recently, will be tommorrow, damned rings) and i sure dont have the corp sponsorship :angry2: Why not vote for me? It will have the same effect in the major elections, and you will be voting for someone nice :shift: :idea:
BJ(forget pedro, Vote for ME)H

[Blown 472]

I'm not all that greasy (not recently, will be tommorrow, damned rings) and i sure dont have the corp sponsorship :angry2: Why not vote for me? It will have the same effect in the major elections, and you will be voting for someone nice :shift: :idea:
BJ(forget pedro, Vote for ME)H
I am getting the write in form as we speak. ;)
Just got the grease off me, as the motor is back in my dodge for the third time this summer.

[wsuwrhr]

I am getting the write in form as we speak. ;)
Just got the grease off me, as the motor is back in my dodge for the third time this summer.
I have been having the same luck.
Brian
Damn Dodges

[Blown 472]

I have been having the same luck.
Brian
Damn Dodges
Wish it were that simple, damn camshafts and torque convertors.

[CrazyHippy]

What the hell is a camshaft :p
I love the simplicity of Whackers
BJH

[Blown 472]

What the hell is a camshaft :p
I love the simplicity of Whackers
BJH
I wish I could run that pos on reeds that would kick ass.

[Forkin' Crazy]

I do know one Judge that I went to school with. I don't hang with him anymore, but I think he is a fine individual and should set an example for others.
I all have to agree with most here. I am too in the middle. Yes there is plenty of grease.
My Dodge is fine, BTW. MOPAR or no CAR!!! :cool:

[wsuwrhr]

I do know one Judge that I went to school with. I don't hang with him anymore, but I think he is a fine individual and should set an example for others.
I all have to agree with most here. I am too in the middle. Yes there is plenty of grease.
My Dodge is fine, BTW. MOPAR or no CAR!!! :cool:
Is that yours in your avatar?
Polara, belvedere?
Brian

[Forkin' Crazy]

I wish!!! '65 Coronet factory hemi race car that I restored for a friend of mine. :cool: He has been checking and thinks it is a very small (<10) number of factory altered wheel base cars for that year.
He races it in SSBA in nostatia races. :cool:

[Blown 472]

I wish!!! '65 Coronet factory hemi race car that I restored for a friend of mine. :cool: He has been checking and thinks it is a very small (<10) number of factory altered wheel base cars for that year.
He races it in SSBA in nostatia races. :cool:
Got any more pics of it??

[kahanamoko]

I lean more towards third party folks as they aren't as greasy and covered with corp sponsors.
The Green Party?

[Steve 1]

The Green Party?
He means your Communist party dufas!

[Blown 472]

He means your Communist party dufas!
You have got to be one of the stupidist people on this board. :p

[Steve 1]

You have got to be one of the stupidist people on this board. :p
No that honor would be yours Mr. Nobody Bent 472 the Hot boat version of catmando

[HM]

LOL...it cracks me up that people think Blown is communist. Poor misunderstood blown! I am not smart, but I know he is not socialist, communist, marxist or many other words I don't understand. He prides himself on not selling out to ANYONE - that would be Libertarian - which Libertarian's picked up where the Republican party left off when they decided to become $20 whores.
Am I close? :wink:

[Blown 472]

LOL...it cracks me up that people think Blown is communist. Poor misunderstood blown! I am not smart, but I know he is not socialist, communist, marxist or many other words I don't understand. He prides himself on not selling out to ANYONE - that would be Libertarian - which Libertarian's picked up where the Republican party left off when they decided to become $20 whores.
Am I close? :wink:
Not smart? hell, you hit it right on the head.

[HM]

Not smart? hell, you hit it right on the head.
Sometimes........I just get lucky.
I am not smart...I still fall for your trolling, but am getting better. :D

[Blown 472]

Sometimes........I just get lucky.
I am not smart...I still fall for your trolling, but am getting better. :D
Well then you are very smart. :crossx: :crossx:

[HighRoller]

Blown is like a wanna-be Michael Moore. Too gutless to actually make a factual, well documented argument. But he gets off on hiding behind half-truths and misrepresentations just so he can stir the pot. Anyone who has half a brain can see he doesn't stand for anything, much less standing when he pees. He asked if a chick would let another chick go down on her..well, Blown. How was your session with Cindy "Shee's-a-man" Sheehan? Did she meet your expectations?

[angry dad]

Blown is like a wanna-be Michael Moore. Too gutless to actually make a factual, well documented argument. But he gets off on hiding behind half-truths and misrepresentations just so he can stir the pot. Anyone who has half a brain can see he doesn't stand for anything, much less standing when he pees. He asked if a chick would let another chick go down on her..well, Blown. How was your session with Cindy "Shee's-a-man" Sheehan? Did she meet your expectations?
ha ha!! :cry:

[Forkin' Crazy]

Got any more pics of it??
just a few..........http://www2.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/767front.jpg
http://www2.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/767underrear.jpg
http://www2.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/767stilts.jpg
http://www2.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/767NHRR-1-4.jpg
And the next time I get a chance I will take some video via roll cage cam! :cool:

[Blown 472]

BITCHEN. :cool: :cool: :cool:

[BUSTI]

I have been very critical of Blown over the years related to his lack of philosophy and I won't beat a dead horse even more but it is enough said that he really does not believe in any political code. Or at least maybe some sort of anarchy at best............ maybe who knows but blown he won't say.
Now related to a third party in America......what a ill concieved idea that is. The founding fathers visioned for our future a two party system because it is the most likely to achieve positive direction on any political issue compated to a multiple party system. Lokk, the founding fathers new that although the issues facing this country would have many asspects to consider that it would be easier to debate, decent, analyse, and propose two seperate plans on any one issue from basically just two groups. Yeng and the yang, black and white, conservative v. liberal, right or wrong. In the beginning there were many factions in the government politically. Survival of the fittest set in and two parties have emerged as a result becuse in our country every body has basically fell in to camps. Demorats and Republicans.
Each party attracts fringes in the country to its side that most likely think or feel like the majority in that party. Thus making it easier for voters to select a government. It is easier to select a government that includes a wide range of views like yours ....demorat or Republican!
Case in point as a matter of example. When you go into the privacy of the voters booth and you vote for President,(Govenor, Senators and other legislators) you probably make those decisions really fast as for the most part you know that the candidate you are selecting on most issues that are impotant to you agrees with you by way of what the one of two parties think per their platform. But when it is time for you to select a school board person or a judge there could be 15 names from you to choose from and you say to youself "Hell I don't any of theses people and what they each stand for!". Then you usually vite for the encumbent or a name you have heard before. Some people won't vote for womwn judges not because they know so much about them but rather they know so little.
The two party system provides the most stability for government. Just look at Parlimentary systems else where they have many factions and those countries direction is usually as different as often as they change parties in power which is far more freguent than us.
The last time this country had multiple parties we had a civil war and near anarchy. If the two party was so great and produced results they would be thrieving here in America. The green peace, peta, Rainbow coaltions, of the demorat party has done more to hurt their own party. Look what multiple parties with in the demorats has done to it. Bill Clinton aside they have been getting their collective asses kicked in the voting booths. Howwver the Republicans have kicked ass because they only recruit like minded people on their side that agree on most issues and they have been able to attract more voters to their side. They exclude fringe groups.
Do you really want a fringe candidate a sinle issue candidate winning the White House or do you want a candidate thate represents a broad base that is beholding to that base for his continued election/selection?
Think about the numbers. Only 60 million Americans vote. Just 20%! So when Jon Kerry says have the country voted for him thats bullshit. Only 1 out of 2 Americans voted for him. Same for GW. Now imagine three other parties like one from the gay movement, one from green peace, and one from the Christian Right. Lets say now there are now five people running for President it would be possible that all had pretty much the same influence over there voters. Somebody that could win just 12 million votes plus one is the President. Or just 4% of the population would get their guy elected to lead the other 96% of us.
No boys and girls the third party system soumds great but in reality it is very stupid idea. It is an idea that has good intentions but woud have the exact opposite effect. Good intentions don't mean shit. And by the way most multiple party systems tend to be socialist.
Sorry blown on this issue you are wrong as usual. And for the kiss ass that said you don't sell out. You have no ideas to sell out you stand for nothing!

[Blown 472]

I have been very critical of Blown over the years related to his lack of philosophy and I won't beat a dead horse even more but it is enough said that he really does not believe in any political code. Or at least maybe some sort of anarchy at best............ maybe who knows but blown he won't say.
Now related to a third party in America......what a ill concieved idea that is. The founding fathers visioned for our future a two party system because it is the most likely to achieve positive direction on any political issue compated to a multiple party system. Lokk, the founding fathers new that although the issues facing this country would have many asspects to consider that it would be easier to debate, decent, analyse, and propose two seperate plans on any one issue from basically just two groups. Yeng and the yang, black and white, conservative v. liberal, right or wrong. In the beginning there were many factions in the government politically. Survival of the fittest set in and two parties have emerged as a result becuse in our country every body has basically fell in to camps. Demorats and Republicans.
Each party attracts fringes in the country to its side that most likely think or feel like the majority in that party. Thus making it easier for voters to select a government. It is easier to select a government that includes a wide range of views like yours ....demorat or Republican!
Case in point as a matter of example. When you go into the privacy of the voters booth and you vote for President,(Govenor, Senators and other legislators) you probably make those decisions really fast as for the most part you know that the candidate you are selecting on most issues that are impotant to you agrees with you by way of what the one of two parties think per their platform. But when it is time for you to select a school board person or a judge there could be 15 names from you to choose from and you say to youself "Hell I don't any of theses people and what they each stand for!". Then you usually vite for the encumbent or a name you have heard before. Some people won't vote for womwn judges not because they know so much about them but rather they know so little.
The two party system provides the most stability for government. Just look at Parlimentary systems else where they have many factions and those countries direction is usually as different as often as they change parties in power which is far more freguent than us.
The last time this country had multiple parties we had a civil war and near anarchy. If the two party was so great and produced results they would be thrieving here in America. The green peace, peta, Rainbow coaltions, of the demorat party has done more to hurt their own party. Look what multiple parties with in the demorats has done to it. Bill Clinton aside they have been getting their collective asses kicked in the voting booths. Howwver the Republicans have kicked ass because they only recruit like minded people on their side that agree on most issues and they have been able to attract more voters to their side. They exclude fringe groups.
Do you really want a fringe candidate a sinle issue candidate winning the White House or do you want a candidate thate represents a broad base that is beholding to that base for his continued election/selection?
Think about the numbers. Only 60 million Americans vote. Just 20%! So when Jon Kerry says have the country voted for him thats bullshit. Only 1 out of 2 Americans voted for him. Same for GW. Now imagine three other parties like one from the gay movement, one from green peace, and one from the Christian Right. Lets say now there are now five people running for President it would be possible that all had pretty much the same influence over there voters. Somebody that could win just 12 million votes plus one is the President. Or just 4% of the population would get their guy elected to lead the other 96% of us.
No boys and girls the third party system soumds great but in reality it is very stupid idea. It is an idea that has good intentions but woud have the exact opposite effect. Good intentions don't mean shit. And by the way most multiple party systems tend to be socialist.
Sorry blown on this issue you are wrong as usual. And for the kiss ass that said you don't sell out. You have no ideas to sell out you stand for nothing!
Perhaps, but at least I can spell.

[BUSTI]

Why do you avoid debate? Tell me why you THINK more than two paerties would make America better. You can't! You never make a case for anything.
That is why people like you mean nothing to the rest of us that can think and are not afraid to openly debate issues. People like blown shrink from every challenge of ideas that comes their way and prove my point! People like blown are just complainers. :cry:
And by the way it is doubtful you can spell I'm just to lazy to use spell check.
blown how do you feel going through life not really being repected by anyone? Not even blown respects what he says.
I on the other hand have a world of successful, bright, educated people who admire not all but most of what I say, think, and do. Unlike you who is a legend only in his own mind I am a legendary thinker asked frequently to speak at churches, schools and business associons on politics, ethics and American cultural.

[Blown 472]

Why do you avoid debate? Tell me why you THINK more than two paerties would make America better. You can't! You never make a case for anything.
That is why people like you mean nothing to the rest of us that can think and are not afraid to openly debate issues. People like blown shrink from every challenge of ideas that comes their way and prove my point! People like blown are just complainers. :cry:
And by the way it is doubtful you can spell I'm just to lazy to use spell check.
blown how do you feel going through life not really being repected by anyone? Not even blown respects what he says.
I on the other hand have a world of successful, bright, educated people who admire not all but most of what I say, think, and do. Unlike you who is a legend only in his own mind I am a legendary thinker asked frequently to speak at churches, schools and business associons on politics, ethics and American cultural.
Hey everyone, we found vanity smurf.
Lemme see, the current two party system that if I recall was set up "by the people for the people" is flawed and corrupt. Since you are so well rounded perhaps you could tell me how to fix the skool system, you know the one that has no money but yet our taxes are going some where, and how would you fix the infrustucture?? There again our billions of dollars of taxes going some where but not fixing what is broken here.

[ROZ]

do you know your elected officals?? you hang with them? know their family? grow up with them? or do you just put all your trust in them from what you see on the tv??
I have made it a point to meet the politicians who impact me the most, namely those in my city and who represent my district here and in DC...
How about you?

[Blown 472]

I have made it a point to meet the politicians who impact me the most, namely those in my city and who represent my district here and in DC...
How about you?
And what have they done for YOU????

[BUSTI]

Congratulations blown! It has only taken me three years to have a real conversation of ideas with you but it is a start. The answer to your question is simple but not easy. The solutions will change the status quo so severely that it will hurt and traumatize liberals and even the vast majority of the so called conservatives.
Lets deal with the schools first. The essential ingredient to any successful endeavor is the influence of competition! Competition motivates all competitors to be the best they can be or they fail. It is a truism of nature adapt, perform, succeed or die. In America we have removed the spirit of competition from our educational system on the teaching side and it shows! Today regardless of the teachers performance in the classroom, in spite of the fact that you might have the lowest graduating percentage of students than the majority of other teachers your job is safe and you are paid the same as a real successful teacher! What bullshit! Most of you know that the real world doesn’t work well under that system. I say competition if introduced into the teachers comp plan would provide us where the good teacher gets paid more and advances up through the pay scale quicker than the teacher that can’t achieve. Don’t base it on graduation rates as graduation only would encourage the slacker teachers to cheat and promote students to the next level whether the student deserved it or not. Nope, base the teacher’s evaluation solely on the student’s year end test scores to determine which teacher is really teaching the most and the best. Also here is a rare thought. Let the parents decide who teaches their kids! Parents could and would select the best teacher for their kid. Pay the teacher also based on class size. The great teachers with great reputations in their community would have the most customers…..whoops I mean students!
I absolutely guaranty you competition for pay increases based on performance and bonuses for volume of students ……these ideas alone would significantly change and enhance how schools perform. Now also apply that to the administration like principals ECT. Suddenly principals would be recruiting and hiring the absolute best teachers they could hire for their school BECAUSE their pay would be enhanced by having increased graduatution rates and test scores. Abolish the union sucking NEA and also apply competition to school vouchers. Let parents DECIDE FOR THEMSELVES which school is best for their kids.
When competition is removed from any endeavor it almost always fails. It is Darwinism! Compete or die. Our schools have died the libs just won’t admit it. And when the hell did it become the responsibility of the government to educate our children. What the hell does the government do so well, out side of the military, that would make any of us believe that the government education would produce the best school system?
Americans please stand up on your own two feet take back the responsibility of your kids education which the vast majority of us have abdicated to the government.
I more on this subject but I must return to work this great Saturday am

[ROZ]

And what have they done for YOU????
Got a stop sign in the neighborhood and a good dinner :D Friend of the family helped get Sandag money to rebuild and widen a bridge on the 78 westbound. Another friend managed to help get money to widen a road to alleviate treffic congestion out toward where Tobtek and riverroyal live... All of those directly helped me :)
Do you know your politicians, and have hey done anything for you ? :)
I sure am glad that crooked "Duke" Cunningham got cought with his hand in the cookie jar.. He's and f'n bastard :umm: And Issa is a punk ass...

[SmokinLowriderSS]

Congratulations blown! It has only taken me three years to have a real conversation of ideas with you but it is a start. The answer to your question is simple but not easy. The solutions will change the status quo so severely that it will hurt and traumatize liberals and even the vast majority of the so called conservatives.
Lets deal with the schools first. The essential ingredient to any successful endeavor is the influence of competition! Competition motivates all competitors to be the best they can be or they fail. It is a truism of nature adapt, perform, succeed or die. In America we have removed the spirit of competition from our educational system on the teaching side and it shows! Today regardless of the teachers performance in the classroom, in spite of the fact that you might have the lowest graduating percentage of students than the majority of other teachers your job is safe and you are paid the same as a real successful teacher! What bullshit! Most of you know that the real world doesn’t work well under that system. I say competition if introduced into the teachers comp plan would provide us where the good teacher gets paid more and advances up through the pay scale quicker than the teacher that can’t achieve. Don’t base it on graduation rates as graduation only would encourage the slacker teachers to cheat and promote students to the next level whether the student deserved it or not. Nope, base the teacher’s evaluation solely on the student’s year end test scores to determine which teacher is really teaching the most and the best. Also here is a rare thought. Let the parents decide who teaches their kids! Parents could and would select the best teacher for their kid. Pay the teacher also based on class size. The great teachers with great reputations in their community would have the most customers…..whoops I mean students!
I absolutely guaranty you competition for pay increases based on performance and bonuses for volume of students ……these ideas alone would significantly change and enhance how schools perform. Now also apply that to the administration like principals ECT. Suddenly principals would be recruiting and hiring the absolute best teachers they could hire for their school BECAUSE their pay would be enhanced by having increased graduatution rates and test scores. Abolish the union sucking NEA and also apply competition to school vouchers. Let parents DECIDE FOR THEMSELVES which school is best for their kids.
When competition is removed from any endeavor it almost always fails. It is Darwinism! Compete or die. Our schools have died the libs just won’t admit it. And when the hell did it become the responsibility of the government to educate our children. What the hell does the government do so well, out side of the military, that would make any of us believe that the government education would produce the best school system?
Americans please stand up on your own two feet take back the responsibility of your kids education which the vast majority of us have abdicated to the government.
I more on this subject but I must return to work this great Saturday am
I agree with both the causes, AND the solution. Competotion in schools. ALSO, the schools MUST HAVE discipline. Schools are a place to learn, not to show off your lighted shoes, your pre-ripped jeans, yack on your cell phone, OR backtalk the staff. Children are in school, on the school's time, for one purpose, to pay attention and learn.
The MAIN roadblock is (as usual) The Teacher's UNION (IMO the single greatest entity standing in the way of anything ever saving the US public school system) THEY are the reason teacher's do not (and will never have as long as they continue to have their way) anything resembling "merit pay" or positive rewards driven by actual measurable achievement. People want to test teachers to make sure they are qualified to teach a subject (stayed awake in their classes), not just look at a pretty piece of paper diploma/license BUT, "Tests are not a valid way to doccument/measure competency" ...........?!!??!?!?!?!!? Seems to be what is used daily to evaluate the kids, even by the states & colleges. :mad: Double-standard load of BS from the NEA/Teacher's Union
Just so nobody misunderstands, I'm not very pro-union (and yes, I am a member of the IAMAW (purely for contract voting / bi##hing rights) Unions had their time and did a fine job, up untill about 25 years ago.
They are all after power now ($$$$ & politics), not about the members best interests (or the employer either, even to the extent of closing an employer forever (bankruptcy) thus making a lot of formerly employed members "UN"-employed. For validation, see Pan-American Airways, and probably North-West Air now, many others.
The other roadblock is the parents who refuse to "allow" the schools to make their children bahave in school, and then will not take the responsibility for that either (Dr Spock (pediatrician / psychobabbelist from the 60's) has made one heck of a feel-good mess). Then the states will not allow the schools to get rid of troublemakers (till they are 16), except under very dire circumstances. From state regs and people threatening to sue, the school administrators have hands tied from a discipline stance.
Just when did education become a "right" anyhow, instead of a "priveledge"? Hey, lousy parents out there, If your kids are neanderthalls, the schools should have the "right" to REFUSE to grant them access to the "priveledge" of education untill they straighten up. If the kids are rejected by the schools, the parent's should face some sort of sanction to "help" give them "incentive" to correct their child's behavior, or at least put forth the effort they had not been before. No kid is born a mouthy, disrespectful (disrespect is a noun not a damm verb :mad: ), let alone assaultive little neanderthal punk sh!#head. They learn to be such because of parent's permitting such behavior without apropriate repercussions.
The competition and testing needs to be done, running entirely roughshod over the union, but I can imagine few politicians with enough sack to hold strong to it because the noise from the NEA & union would be hellish and vicious-mean (not to mention the lawsuits). :mad:
I do have fond thoughts imagining whole crowds of Teacher's union leadership emolating themselves in public :skull: with gallon cans of $3 gasoline, Kinda like buddist monks back in asia (was that 'nam or Korea, I forget).

[SmokinLowriderSS]

I tried to probe Blown's thoughts for his solutions to the world & US' problems in a previous thread, but mine must have had too many questions. He only could think up a fix for a few, cried and moaned about most of them, and ignored the rest. Of the few he DID offer solutions for, we agreed more often than not, but, again, so much complaining, so little actual ideas for solutions.

[Blown 472]

I tried to probe Blown's thoughts for his solutions to the world & US' problems in a previous thread, but mine must have had too many questions. He only could think up a fix for a few, cried and moaned about most of them, and ignored the rest. Of the few he DID offer solutions for, we agreed more often than not, but, again, so much complaining, so little actual ideas for solutions.
You are right, where do I sign up for re education??

[Jeanyus]

You are right, where do I sign up for re education??
http://www.goarmy.com/flindex.jsp

[steelcomp]

And what have they done for YOU????
More than those did for the folks that live in New Orleans or Louisiana. Talk about F'd up local gov't!! :rolleyes:

[SmokinLowriderSS]

More than those did for the folks that live in New Orleans or Louisiana. Talk about F'd up local gov't!! :rolleyes:
No kidding Steelcomp. And to think people are trying to blame the feds for THAT mess.
Legally (darn the little details) the responsibility of disaster planning and management beling to THE MAYOR OF NEW ORLEANS (incompetent fool) and his staff of Emergency Services Preparedness Dept (more incompetent management I smell). The responsibility for evacuations and further disaster aid belongs to THE GOVERNOR OF LOUISIANNA (yet another incompetent b@@b) and the state disaster prep office.
Legally, the president can do NOTHING except for what is requested, or decide the state is out of controll, and invoke martial law and step in, smashing EVERYONES toes. (almost never done)
FEMA was created for 1 purpose, to ASSIST state and local agencies, NOT to RUN disaster relief operations, but now there is a call out to fire THE ENTIRE FEMA ORGANIZATION, everyone.
Where is the call for the correct heads on a plattter? The Gov & the Mayor (wait, she's a Democrat, so is he)

[SmokinLowriderSS]

More than those did for the folks that live in New Orleans or Louisiana. Talk about F'd up local gov't!! :rolleyes:
I'd be willing to bet that most of us here could (in about 15 min) figure out a workable evacuation plan to HAUL AWAY every non-vehicle owner in New Orleans, given a 2-day warning of a cat-5 huricane inbound. Whoever thought up the plan to hide out 75,000 people in the superdome was an idiot. The incompetent ones should have called Jeb Bush for advice, he got 4 hurricanes last year. He dealt pretty well with them all too. He and the municipalities that got hit directly.

[SmokinLowriderSS]

Sunday, Sept. 4, 2005 7:57 p.m.
Frustrated and grieving, Mayor Ray Nagin on Sunday again ripped
the painfully slow response of state and federal
authorities to the plight of tens of thousands of
stranded New Orleanians in the days following
Hurricane Katrina, saying their inaction cost lives
and caused needless misery.
Nagin singled out Gov. Kathleen Blanco for criticism,
saying that the governor had asked for 24 hours to
think over a decision when time was a luxury that no
one, especially refugees, had.
“When the president and the governor got here, I said,
'Mr. President, Madame Governor, you two have to get
in synch. If you don't, more people are going to die.”
Blanco and Bush met privately at his insistence, Nagin
said, after which Bush came out and told Nagin that he
had given Blanco two options, and she requested a full
day to decide.
“It would have been great if we could have walked off
Air Force One and told the world we had it all worked
out,” Nagin said. “It didn't happen, and more people
died.”
The mayor said his next fear is that the decomposing
bodies of those who died in the storm and its wake
will spread disease, via mosquitoes, across the region
if the corpses aren't picked up soon. Again, he feels
the response has lagged.
“I requested a crop duster as soon as possible,” the
mayor said. “I still don't see a plane flying.