20' Condor

[78Southwind]

My buddy asked me to post some pictures of his rig to see what others would think it would cost to restore his boat back to its better years. The boat has been sitting with out a cover for the last 8 years. We checked the oil and there’s no water in the oil but it probably needs a rebuild. The hull looks pretty good nothing some color sanding wouldn’t fix but the floor needs to be replaced. It also needs a complete new interior and he would like a bench seat for the back. The boat has a Panther Jet which probably needs to be rebuilt. I am sure he needs all new gauges and cables. He is willing to spend about $4,000 to $5,000 to get back to what it once was. If he can’t fix it for that price what do you guys think the boat is worth. He is thinking of selling it as is.
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[78Southwind]

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[78Southwind]

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[78Southwind]

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[72 Hondo]

Was there a fire in that boat?
If not, there should be!
I remember 6 years ago that boat didnt look bad.
The boat needs to be GUTTED TO THE GLASS....... :eek: :cry:

[Jetmugg]

Triple the restoration cost estimate, then go buy a different boat. It needs new everything.
SteveM. - Been there, done that, been burned by the cost.

[Duane HTP]

It's not really worth restoring.

[sleekvino]

i think there is a dump calling its name.way not worth it.

[crf311]

It can be done, if he does all the labor himself.
Motor - 2-5K
Interior 1.5 - 2 K
Gauges 300-500
Wood and fiberglass 300-1K
Steering 300
Time 8 months to 2 years.

[GasGuzzler]

If it had any sentimental value to him it would not set out unprotected for 8 years, so you know his heart (and wallet) is not in the restore. First thing I would invest in is a garage or at least a carport for protection and dump the money in another boat that he can be proud of and take care of. :cry:

[LAFD]

Looks Like Its Saggin On The Right Side From The Front View Of It Sitting On The Trailor. Ide Say Dump It. Theres Alot Of Other Boats For Sale On Here That Are Turn Key For The Price It Would Cost To Rebuild....

[BigBlockOldsJet]

Talk about a low maintenance backyard, with the boat gone, what will he have to look at besides a rock pile?

[HBjet]

Interior 1.5 - 2 K
Wood and fiberglass 300-1K
More Like: Interior 2.5-3k
More Like: Wood and fiberglass 1k-4k
Just my opinion...
HBjet

[BrendellaJet]

More Like: Interior 2.5-3k
More Like: Wood and fiberglass 1k-4k
Just my opinion...
HBjet
Your prices look like the "pay someone else" to do it prices...
If the guy is willing to do some work, the prices given by crf are in the ballpark.
Just my opinion! :argue:

[Cas]

I'll take it it off his hands, looks like it could be a fun cruiser.

[stashtrey]

I think the interior looks just fine.
:cool:

[victorfb]

ill buy the trailer and scrap the boat. too bad there isnt something like a smash up derby for boats like there is for cars, atleast youd get one last fun session out of it. looks like he missed out on that a long time ago. id say gut it to the glass, keep it cleaned up for a while and sit on it. 20-23' criusers are getting popular and in a couple years it may (MAY) be worth something to someone with a willingness to restore her. in the meantime get another boat and TAKE CARE OF IT.

[Brooski]

ill buy the trailer and scrap the boat. too bad there isnt something like a smash up derby for boats like there is for cars, atleast youd get one last fun session out of it. looks like he missed out on that a long time ago. id say gut it to the glass, keep it cleaned up for a while and sit on it. 20-23' criusers are getting popular and in a couple years it may (MAY) be worth something to someone with a willingness to restore her. in the meantime get another boat and TAKE CARE OF IT.
Smash up derby for boats.......hmmmmm. I could do that too. Squirtin Thunder has already tried it, I think....lol
Donate the boat to the Vic storage yard. :eek:

[dmontzsta]

I agree with most of the others. This boat is nothing special, so to dump a bunch of money in a full resto is not worth it. He would be better off buying a cruiser with value and doing the same thing, atleast in the long run you would have a bitchen cruiser as opposed to an open bow sissy mobile. :idea:

[72 Hondo]

So Jerry its official! Show Garrett this thread and what all these nice people said about his boat and maybe he will take your advice that you have been telling him for YEARS and dump it! I remember the boat was nice when he got it and now I think its past repair, WAY PAST IT! :eek: :hammerhea
Somebody said something about the back yard.....
:idea: Turn the boat into a cool planter with some cactus or something :D

[hack job]

My buddy asked me to post some pictures of his rig to see what others would think it would cost to restore his boat back to its better years. The boat has been sitting with out a cover for the last 8 years. We checked the oil and there’s no water in the oil but it probably needs a rebuild. The hull looks pretty good nothing some color sanding wouldn’t fix but the floor needs to be replaced. It also needs a complete new interior and he would like a bench seat for the back. The boat has a Panther Jet which probably needs to be rebuilt. I am sure he needs all new gauges and cables. He is willing to spend about $4,000 to $5,000 to get back to what it once was. If he can’t fix it for that price what do you guys think the boat is worth. He is thinking of selling it as is.
i know just the place to get a anther boat. iam sure you do to ;) . i hear that dan's phone rings every time you drive by there lol :p

[Slacker]

Time to say bye-bye.. He might want to check and see if he can donate it. There are some places that will take it and you can right it off of his taxes. My buddy turned his car in and they gave him a blank slip to write off what he thought the vehicle was worth.. Just an Idea .. Seen a couple of them on Boattrader and ebay before....

[396_WAYS_TO_SPIT]

More Like: Interior 2.5-3k
More Like: Wood and fiberglass 1k-4k
Just my opinion...
HBjet
damn randy, who gave you those quotes?? is that louis vitton materialshttp://www.theinsideline.net/forum/images/smilies/yb624.gif

[78Southwind]

So Jerry its official! Show Garrett this thread and what all these nice people said about his boat and maybe he will take your advice that you have been telling him for YEARS and dump it! I remember the boat was nice when he got it and now I think its past repair, WAY PAST IT! :eek: :hammerhea
Somebody said something about the back yard.....
:idea: Turn the boat into a cool planter with some cactus or something :D
Gary I didn't tell him to dump it. My advice to him years ago was to buy a cover and cover the boat. :hammerhea Garrett said that someone offered him $1,600 for the boat. I think if he can get anything over $1,500 he should take it. Anyone have an idea what asking price my buddy should start with to sell the boat? :confused:

[78Southwind]

i know just the place to get a anther boat. iam sure you do to ;) . i hear that dan's phone rings every time you drive by there lol :p
Yep, I just called Dan to see if he needed me to order him one today. When I was at Bullhead last week I went into Hastenings to get something and saw the latest Family and Performance Boating and saw part two of Chris's article on your boat. Looking good.

[78Southwind]

Ok Garrett we found some seats for the boat. You better jump on them. Just need to get the bow seats re-covered. Anyone else have something to contribute to the boat? :D
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[72 Hondo]

Gary I didn't tell him to dump it. My advice to him years ago was to buy a cover and cover the boat. :hammerhea Garrett said that someone offered him $1,600 for the boat. I think if he can get anything over $1,500 he should take it. Anyone have an idea what asking price my buddy should start with to sell the boat? :confused:
Sorry I need to go take my medication now :messedup:

[Miss Managed Assets]

Uh, OH! :eek:

[72 Hondo]

O.K., I took my meds and, the thread is dead.
SORRY, Garrett :rolleyes:

[78Southwind]

It can be done, if he does all the labor himself.
Motor - 2-5K
Interior 1.5 - 2 K
Gauges 300-500
Wood and fiberglass 300-1K
Steering 300
Time 8 months to 2 years.
Garrett
Here you go under $5,000 if you don't need any major work done to the engine and pump.

[76ANTHONY]

well, i'm glad i didnt put my boat on here before the resto, i would have lite it up and whatched it burn. my boat is 18ft and total resto was 20,000 with a 7500 dollar paint job. so if you not going to paint it and you do all the work yourself, yes its fun at the end of all the ^%$*^&(* work. its got a great shape to it and its an open bow. what do they go for in good condition? ok scratch that because all boats are a bad money investment but a hell of alot of fun. my .02 :confused: :notam: :) :)

[76ANTHONY]

look at the thread for what is this boat worth. thats the end result. do the work if you want to know whats in it. if you just want to get on the water look into another boat. 350 engine is about 1500 with a warranty. the interior was about 900.00 on my boat but i dont have an open bow. oh and one secret to the work. have a boat party, bring lots of beer and have lots of food, gets some girls and alot of the work will be cheap, not only that but you'll have a blast :squiggle: :messedup: :D :D :devil:

[victorfb]

the boat can actually be worth alot more to someone with a passion for that particular boat. but by posting it on here to see what its worth he is asking how much it is worth to the majority of us. i have to agree, if the boat is a personal favorite, then by all means restore it. my rogers looked like crap when i bought the hull, but its what i wanted and was willing to invest into it. good investement? never with a boat for finacial gain, but for personal satifaction? hell yes. if the post was for the purpose of finding a selling price, i think he got his answer(s). i for one believe he should keep it, restore it, put alot of hard earned money and alot of time into it, and then he will appreciate what he has and i doubt he will let it go to crap like it has become.

[76ANTHONY]

ok whats the verdict? keep or sell? that looks like a nice family boat for a small family. i think it would be fun to do that boat up nice. build a 355 and supercharge it with a hidden charger. then make it a sleeper, sounds like fun

[Ralph Brunt]

i like it myself if i had the room i would make u an offer. just go off the deep end and fix it i would but that's just me i like to learn expensive lessons lol ralph

[78Southwind]

Bump

[Mr. Crusader 83]

HELL NO!!! Put some gas in it and lets go ski.

[78Southwind]

Resurrection
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[Tahiti350]

If you have to go thru the engine consider throwing a stroker kit in it, and build a 383, the performance gain will be worth it.

[flat broke]

For those of you capping on Randy's interior and glass quotes, I don't know many folks that DIY interiors. You either hillbilly it up with some seats from jegs and overtons, or you pony up and pay for a professional to do a good interior. Taking your own woodwork into a custom marine upholstery shop usually costs more than letting them do what they do best because they have templates for a lot of common items like buckets, rear benches, etc. Working around your design actually takes more time, and thus costs more. Just so everyone is on the same page, a manufacturer would pay 5k or more for a good 21' open bow interior from DS, Stratton, etc. if they don't have an "in house" upholstery shop.
Yes, you could DIY the woodwork and glass work on the floors and save some $$, but you're still probably looking at over $500 if you use marine ply and a considerable amount of glass.
As for everyone worrying about the 350 and the Panther, they're probably the biggest blessings in disquise that boat has. Panthers don't have much to wear out, and assuming you topped off the gear oil and the mechanical seal is still in tact, you would probably be fine. It doesn't get any more reliable than an SBC. Change the oil, go through the ingnition system and prime it up real good before you fire it up. Once it's running, take it to the lake and flog it. If it holds up, you just saved some coin, if not, rebuild kits for a 350 are about as cheap as it gets.
I just hope the guy isn't looking to win any races :D
So if the gel is saveable with a color sand, he's still going to be into the interior for 4500, then wiring, cables, new bilge pumps, blower, hardware, glass, marine ply, and some incidentals to freshen up the 350. He'll be over his 4500 budget, but considering what he'll be able to sell it for in it's current condition, it's not like he's going to have a lot more equity to to lump on top of his 4500 to buy something nicer.
Chris

[FryJet]

damn randy, who gave you those quotes?? is that louis vitton materialshttp://www.theinsideline.net/forum/images/smilies/yb624.gif
Well........I think even Randy's # are low. My buddy is getting a interior done right now and when its said and done it will be right at $5200 bucks. Its the same seating configuration as that boat. A good quality interior made with good material (wood, upholstery and carpet) isnt cheap, especially when your dealing with a day cruiser open bow. Besides, when the Louis Vuitton got wet it would probably smell like a dead hooker in trunk of a DeVille.......maybe.
F.J.