This is SO depressing

[NashvilleBound]

watching the aftermath of Katrina. We have the news running in the background and its really, really bad. I wish there was something we could do. Besides beat the F^ck out of the looters.... Where the hell is all this food and water???? I mean GET ON IT!!! What are you waiting for??? Sorry, I just need to vent!

[Magic34]

I'm with you. They are bringing buses, but how hard can this be. Get all available buses in the state and send them down there. THe only thing they need to figure out is to refuel them, which could be overcome. Send a tanker from Houston or something just to refill buses and move the people. It's going to take days to bus them all out, so they better get on it now.

[1978 Rogers]

How about Taiwan help us on this one.

[topless]

i really feel like the government or the pres has dropped the ball,hell he was here in san diego yesterday,they had 4 to 7 days, maybe more,to know how bad this was going to be.So wheres the water/food/shelter????Or the national gaurd?Am i missing something?You never know how bad a hurricane is going to be. Yes, they knew it was going to hit land but who can ever say what the devistation is going to be like? It's not like they have never been through one before but the thing is, they could have evacuated before hand. Now it's time for the government to step up and help our own instead of shipping our money to foriegn countries.

[Havasu_Dreamin]

i really feel like the government or the pres has dropped the ball,hell he was here in san diego yesterday,they had 4 to 7 days, maybe more,to know how bad this was going to be.So wheres the water/food/shelter????Or the national gaurd?Am i missing something?
You're joking right? WTF could he do if he was there yesterday? Eighty percent of the city is flooded. This is destruction on a scale that we have not seen in modern history in this country. I agree, this is a terrible disaster and needs to rectified as soon as is possible, but him being on scene would only make things worse at the present time. IMHO.

[a catered life]

i really feel like the government or the pres has dropped the ball,hell he was here in san diego yesterday,they had 4 to 7 days, maybe more,to know how bad this was going to be.So wheres the water/food/shelter????Or the national gaurd?Am i missing something?
i agree with you 100% i bet if it was texas the dam help would have been there the next day :mad: i got family there and also in alabama so i'm getting it from both sides :frown:
and i dont expect anything from taiwaiin but mcdonalds toys :eek:

[Ziggy]

Devastating is the word that keeps coming to my mind :frown: .....and they always feared this could happen. Filling the pool..............this is gonna take a long time to fix, if ever totally.
The emotional stress has got to be overwhelming for the residents...almost unfathomable. :eek:

[mbrown2]

i really feel like the government or the pres has dropped the ball,
WTF...Instead of playing Armchair Quarterback, go donate to your local Red Cross or an organization that can help....I am sure we could have prepared better for the Tsunami as well.

[KACHINA KEN]

I'm with you. They are bringing buses, but how hard can this be. Get all available buses in the state and send them down there. THe only thing they need to figure out is to refuel them, which could be overcome. Send a tanker from Houston or something just to refill buses and move the people. It's going to take days to bus them all out, so they better get on it now.
National guard and regular Army all have fuel tankers not to mention all the tankers at Barksdale AFB should be there already, someone is dropping the ball so far on this, i don't want to sound like armchair FEMA or anything but wtf is the holdup???

[Liberator TJ1984]

Our Company has several districts affected in LA.......
Conditions: Weather conditions have improved but the situation in the New Orleans area is worsening. New Orleans and its western suburb Metairie pump their storm water into the 17th street canal which then drains into Lake Pontchartrain. The levee on the New Orleans side of the levee has failed and the Lake is emptying into the city through a 200 ft wide opening. Western New Orleans is now completely flooded and water levels are reported to be rising in the French Quarter and downtown regions. According to Federal authorities, 80% of New Orleans is flooded at this time. All areas to the south and east of New Orleans are also flooded. The city of Slidell, home to 35 employees and located on the north shore of the lake has been flooded and the interstate 10 bridge across Lake Pontchartrain has been destroyed. Phone lines and data communications to SE Louisiana are broken. It is not possible to make calls to or from the 504 and 985 area codes which cover SE Louisiana.
another just in....
The following Semi-submersible rigs have been confirmed as adrift in the GOM, Arctic 1 located in MC 413; Ocean Voyager MC 711; Noble Jim Thompson MC 935; Deepwater Nautilus, Green Canyon 390; Ocean America , GC 299; Ensco 7500, GC 652. The DW Horizon is also rumored to be adrift but this is NOT confirmed. A Semi-Submersible anchored in Mobile Bay has broken free and has impacted a large bridge and is currently stuck underneath the bridgedeck. Name of the rig is unknown. Both the new GSF floaters, Development Driller I & II were anchored in Grand Isle 92 while undergoing repairs to their thruster. The eye of the storm passed within 2 miles of these rigs.
Conditions to the west of New Orleans are much better, but the Houma and Larose areas are still without power and phones.

[HCS]

I would think there's 2 kinds of looters.
There's those that are just out to rip stuff off.
Then there's those who need food and water. Figure if your hungry and dehydrated. What are you going to do? There's no electricity. Money isn't going to do you any good if you could even get any. So you would have to do something until you could get out of there. If your desperate your going to do whatever it takes to survive. I'm sure most people would take what ever they could to get by until help arrived or they could leave.

[mbrown2]

National guard and regular Army all have fuel tamnkers not to mention all the tankers at Barksdale AFB should be there already, someone is dropping the ball so far on this, i don't want to sound like armchair FEMA or anything but wtf is the holdup???
I am sure logistics planning without communications, power, no where for boats to dock and get the fuel to the buses play into it...I would think logistics are the main thing they are figuring at this point prior to showing up and not being able to get supplies (whatever) from point a to point b.

[rrrr]

For the first time, the Pentagon yesterday created a joint domestic task force -- headed by a three-star general and based in Mississippi -- to coordinate emergency operations by Guard and active-duty forces across four states. Driving the U.S. military response was the realization of the "sheer magnitude" of the catastrophe once dawn broke, said Michael Kucharek, spokesman for U.S. Northern Command in Colorado Springs.
The Red Cross had opened more than 200 shelters yesterday in concert with FEMA, which mobilized before the storm when President Bush designated Louisiana and Mississippi disaster areas. That allowed FEMA rescue workers to bring in water, ice and ready-to-eat meals before Katrina hit.
While rescue units pulled stranded residents from floodwater yesterday, a 50-member FEMA team was in Louisiana, making plans to buy, order and move hundreds of thousands of mobile homes into the area. FEMA will reimburse flood victims for rental housing, FEMA spokeswoman Natalie Rule said. The need was made more urgent yesterday when Louisiana officials decided to evacuate the Superdome, a city-designated shelter damaged by wind and flooding and made miserable for its inhabitants by a lack of electricity and clean water.
"We were very well-prepared, but it's not going to be a breeze," Rule said. "This is a very large, large disaster, and it's going to require a lot of teamwork and patience."
Yep, nothing is being done. :rolleyes: Bush declared an emeregency before the storm hit; he also implored the citizens to evacuate. Many didn't. Is that his fault too?

[mbrown2]

fock this,im out,your right,let me get my checkbook,maybe we can carpool.....
My company already setup a relief fund match program for the people in that area, and I am sure the majority of the 50K+ people that work here will be donating :)

[riverroyal]

thats a great company

[mbrown2]

like it should have been done about 5 days ago,,,,thats all i was saying,,,,everyone a little jumpy this mornin?
5 Days ago...would have been two days before it hit...and predictors were still not suer where it would hit in the gulf....
The best thing people could have done, should have done, and were implored to do...were to evacuate....supplies and suppliers could have jepordized if put in the wrong place prior to when it hit...
Little jumpy cause I wish I could help more then writing a check, but definitely not here to place blame...

[Havasu_Dreamin]

like it should have been done about 5 days ago,,,,thats all i was saying,,,,everyone a little jumpy this mornin?
You mean, prior to when it hit NO? No way to know the potential damage. So they did the next best thing, advised everyone to ge tthe phuck out and made arrangements for those that could not, or would not, leave. I don't think anyone expected the superdome to lose it's roof or for the levee to break.

[Magic34]

I would think there's 2 kinds of looters.
There's those that are just out to rip stuff off.
Then there's those who need food and water. Figure if your hungry and dehydrated. What are you going to do? There's no electricity. Money isn't going to do you any good if you could even get any. So you would have to do something until you could get out of there. If your desperate your going to do whatever it takes to survive. I'm sure most people would take what ever they could to get by until help arrived or they could leave.
I'm with you on that. I saw a lady with a 12 pack of Diet Pepsi, and I thought that was acceptable in the circumstance. A guy grabbing diapers, I can accept that too.
The guy running with the TV... shoot him.

[riverroyal]

my point came across wrong and im not in the mood to get crap today,deleted my thoughts,looks like i picked a bad day to stop sniffin glue

[HCS]

You know what else is bullshit.
Is where is this U.N. ambassador? The guy speaks out against the US for not acting soon enough and kicking down enough money during the tsunami.
Now where the (f)uck is he? Not a peep. Not that I give a shit about the UN.
But not peep from any of those people.

[HocusPocus]

this is such a major ordeal and i know there are lots of people and groups working on the situation. they could send thousands of people there to help.. but where are they going to stay? eat? drink? what kind of tools and equipment are currently available?? the logistics of this is going to be tough to work around especially when there is water as much as 20' deep in areas and armed nuts shooting at police and relief workers.

[Magic34]

Our Company has several districts affected in LA.......
The following Semi-submersible rigs have been confirmed as adrift in the GOM, Arctic 1 located in MC 413; Ocean Voyager MC 711; Noble Jim Thompson MC 935; Deepwater Nautilus, Green Canyon 390; Ocean America , GC 299; Ensco 7500, GC 652. The DW Horizon is also rumored to be adrift but this is NOT confirmed. A Semi-Submersible anchored in Mobile Bay has broken free and has impacted a large bridge and is currently stuck underneath the bridgedeck. Name of the rig is unknown. Both the new GSF floaters, Development Driller I & II were anchored in Grand Isle 92 while undergoing repairs to their thruster. The eye of the storm passed within 2 miles of these rigs.
Conditions to the west of New Orleans are much better, but the Houma and Larose areas are still without power and phones.
Anyone else read this??? I count 11 rigs adrift. Are these oil rigs???

[Jordy]

he also implored the citizens to evacuate. Many didn't. Is that his fault too?
Seems to me that local parrishs and government officials put a MANDATORY evacuation into place as well. I saw on the news this morning where they were talking to people who had to be rescued and they chose not to evacuate because they wanted to stay behind to protect their homes. I'm curious what you're going to do to protect your home from 200mph winds and 25' surges of water crashing down on it. :confused:
And I hate to be a total pessimist, but you have to wonder how many of the lowest common denominators out there looting the beer, clothes, shoes, and hitting the pawn shops for guns and whatever else, didn't think that staying behind, if it didn't kill them, would be beneficial to them in a city that's 90% evacuated. :idea:
Before I get flamed, I'm not talking about the minority out there that might have been unable to evacuate and are now looting for food and water to survive as I'd bet my bottom dollar that those are few and far between. I've been to New Orleans a couple times and it's the stereotypical Dirty South kind of town. Lots of thug looking street toughs and hustlers out panhandling the tourists for money. It's a sad deal all the way around and isn't going to be a quick and easy fix.
Maybe if someone would just give Bush that magic wand and the crystal ball he could just get it all cleared up immediately. Instant gratification isn't fast enough for some people. :rolleyes:

[topless]

my point came across wrong and im not in the mood to get crap today,deleted my thoughts,looks like i picked a bad day to stop sniffin glueToo late, I alrady quoted your post.

[Magic34]

You know what else is bullshit.
Is where is this U.N. ambassador? The guy speaks out against the US for not acting soon enough and kicking down enough money during the tsunami.
Now where the (f)uck is he? Not a peep. Not that I give a shit about the UN.
But not peep from any of those people.
We owe everyone else everything.... They owe us nothing. Just like the employee/employer relationship.

[Liberator TJ1984]

I'm with you on that. I saw a lady with a 12 pack of Diet Pepsi, and I thought that was acceptable in the circumstance. A guy grabbing diapers, I can accept that too.
The guy running with the TV... shoot him.
I'm with you on that Magic.....
Let them have the food and drinks ....distribute it out what the hell ???? no electricity to keep food fresh it will rot anyways ...at least let someone eat it who needs it...now the cats trying to break the bars off a jewlery store ,bank or casino , open season target practice :devil: gators gotta eat too....

[Jordy]

gators gotta eat too....
Funny you should mention that as I hear there are a bunch of alligators swimming around freely now as the floodwaters from the hurricane has freed them from the local gator farms. It just keeps getting better for these people. :( :( :(

[rrrr]

And I hate to be a total pessimist, but you have to wonder how many of the lowest common denominators out there looting the beer, clothes, shoes, and hitting the pawn shops for guns and whatever else, didn't think that staying behind, if it didn't kill them, would be benficial to them in a city that's 90% evacuated. :idea:
I thought the same thing.

[Liberator TJ1984]

Anyone else read this??? I count 11 rigs adrift. Are these oil rigs???
Oil Platforms and rigs , usually do both ,Drill and produce off the same Platforms with underwater pipelines running to the mainland.....
oh and some rigs have the capability to produce BOTH oil and Gas
this being the case I beginng to wonder how much oil is leaking under water ??? how many pipelines got severed ??? oil with salt water will clump up and kinda stay on the bottom in crude form , later to wash up in a tar like goo on the banks, coming out of the ground it may be 2-300 degrees then hits colder water and gels up at first then eventually will start to thin out
Posted by Freak ...in the $4.00 a gallon thread...
There are MANY production platform smissing (as in not visible from the air). This means they have been totally lost. I am talking about 10's of platforms, not single digit numbers.
Each platform can have from 4 to 100+ wells on it. Most larger ones have 20-30 wells in this area, with numerous caisson wells. They are on their sides, on the bottom of the gulf - they will likely be left as reef material, provided we can get permission. MMS regulations require us to plug each of the wells that were on these platforms - HUGE cost now, as the platforms are gone.

[Heatseeker]

I'm with you on that. I saw a lady with a 12 pack of Diet Pepsi, and I thought that was acceptable in the circumstance. A guy grabbing diapers, I can accept that too.
The guy running with the TV... shoot him.
I agree. Grabbing food for survival is one thing, but outright stealing of people's property is another altogether.
WTF are you going to do with a stolen TV in that situation anyway? Plug it into your ass?!!! These dipshits haven't even got a place to sleep and they're stealing televisions. Go figure...
It's kind of ironic how a disaster such as this brings out both the best and the worst in people.

[OMEGA_BUBBLE_JET]

Oil Platforms and rigs , usually do both ,Drill and produce off the same Platforms with underwater pipelines running to the mainland.....
oh and some rigs have the capability to produce BOTH oil and Gas
this being the case I beginng to wonder how much oil is leaking under water ??? how many pipelines got severed ??? oil with salt water will clump up and kinda stay on the bottom in crude form , later to wash up in a tar like goo on the banks, coming out of the ground it may be 2-300 degrees then hits colder water and gels up at first then eventually will start to thin out
Posted by Freak ...in the $4.00 a gallon thread...
There are MANY production platform smissing (as in not visible from the air). This means they have been totally lost. I am talking about 10's of platforms, not single digit numbers.
Each platform can have from 4 to 100+ wells on it. Most larger ones have 20-30 wells in this area, with numerous caisson wells. They are on their sides, on the bottom of the gulf - they will likely be left as reef material, provided we can get permission. MMS regulations require us to plug each of the wells that were on these platforms - HUGE cost now, as the platforms are gone.
No worries on oil spilling out into the ocean. Before they evacuate they seal off the well head.
Omega

[SummitKarl]

NB, I think I should pack up my PC and head your way :D
sounds like alot of people are going to need new homes. it certianly looks bad I am sure it's worse in person.
now if you all think gas prices are out of control, wait till you see you next home owners Ins bill. this is going to affect ALL of the U.S. this is a national desaster.

[Liberator TJ1984]

No worries on oil spilling out into the ocean. Before they evacuate they seal off the well head.
Omega
Yea , but there would be the production lines open if the wellhead tore off above the BOP Stack ??? I would think ???

[NoCal NoBoat]

NB -
I'm with you, and, unfortunately, the news continues to worsen.
Yahoo news is reporting that the mayor of New Orleans has now acknowledged that the death toll in the city may be "Minimum, hundreds. Most likely, thousands".
I have called my senators and Congresswoman and encouraged them to work with their colleagues to get whatever help they can send there ASAP.
I made my on-line contribution to the American Red Cross.
IMO - this is one of those pivotal times in the history of our country. The country is going to need to put politics aside and work together. People who can think outside the box are going to have to step up. There are so many simultaneous problems in play, we're going to need a lot of first responders, engineers, professionals, tradespeople, and hard labor to get a leg up.

[RiverOtter]

:idea: Maybe the UN will come in a coordinate the whole international relief effort. I'm sure other countries are trying to get assistance over here right now :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :notam: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :notam:

[NashvilleBound]

I'm with you on that. I saw a lady with a 12 pack of Diet Pepsi, and I thought that was acceptable in the circumstance. A guy grabbing diapers, I can accept that too.
The guy running with the TV... shoot him.
I am SO with you on that!!!! I have been watching tv all day, well, most of the day, and I just now last hour saw a truck with cases of water on it... give me a break...2 extra days to get water a few miles???? Where are all the swamp boats????? Those can go across anything....or the militarys hoover crafts? I think its a political joke.

[NashvilleBound]

I'm with you on that Magic.....
Let them have the food and drinks ....distribute it out what the hell ???? no electricity to keep food fresh it will rot anyways ...at least let someone eat it who needs it...now the cats trying to break the bars off a jewlery store ,bank or casino , open season target practice :devil: gators gotta eat too....
Did you see the guys loading the , what looked like, a jewelers safe into their pickup..... shoot on site. Once you verify its really not theirs of course.

[MagicMtnDan]

Did you see the guys loading the , what looked like, a jewelers safe into their pickup..... shoot on site. Once you verify its really not theirs of course.
Nah, no need. Just tie the safe to the focker's neck and watch him "swim." :hammer2:
They need to find an area outside of New Orleans and start building a new city. Not to replace New Orleans but to house everyone. Get cranking on that now. Put in the infrastructure (electricity, gas, water, sewers) and start building multiple family dwellings and stores, etc. Get these people places to live and help them get some dignity back.
Then they'll have the time to decide on how they're going to deal with New Orleans and the other areas. If they re-build it as is I'm saying that's a big mistake. How many more hurricanes will it take before they realize having a city 12' below sea level (or whatever it is) isn't a good idea next to water! :hammer2:

[RiverOtter]

Did you see the guys loading the , what looked like, a jewelers safe into their pickup..... shoot on site. Once you verify its really not theirs of course.
Just send Cofi Annan in. He'll get everybody straightened out :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :notam:

[boatnam2]

all the food and water is going to iraq to help all the iraq's supporting our war effort to raise oil prices i mean protect the world.

[572Daytona]

I can somewhat understand why some people didn't evacuate. It's the chicken-little the sky is falling syndrome. In the past few years the media has so oversensationalized the hurricanes to get people to watch that they are always selling a worst case scenario to the public that hasn't come true up until this one. My wife's sister lives in pensacola florida and she's been through the evacuation drill more time then she wants to count. And it's not easy, you board up your house, pack up what you can, jam your pets in your car and go wait in miles upon miles of backed-up traffic only to get ripped off in the event you happen to find a hotel with a vacancy within 300miles. I could see doing that a few times for something that never materialized would make me less inclined to keep doing it.
If california had a way to predict and earthquake was gonna happen within the next few days but no way to narrow down excatly where it was going to happen or how bad it would be, how many of you would pack up and leave just in case?

[unleashed]

I can somewhat understand why some people didn't evacuate. It's the chicken-little the sky is falling syndrome. In the past few years the media has so oversensationalized the hurricanes to get people to watch that they are always selling a worst case scenario to the public that hasn't come true up until this one. My wife's sister lives in pensacola florida and she's been through the evacuation drill more time then she wants to count. And it's not easy, you board up your house, pack up what you can, jam your pets in your car and go wait in miles upon miles of backed-up traffic only to get ripped off in the event you happen to find a hotel with a vacancy within 300miles. I could see doing that a few times for something that never materialized would make me less inclined to keep doing it.
If california had a way to predict and earthquake was gonna happen within the next few days but no way to narrow down excatly where it was going to happen or how bad it would be, how many of you would pack up and leave just in case?
Good post and oh so true. I wonder how many of us would leave LA or Orange county if they said an 8.0 earthquake was going to hit but we arent sure what part of the state???? Also most of the people that didnt leave were in the EXTEMELY poor and uneducated neighborhoods. They have nowhere to go much less get out of town and rent a motel room. This is a huge tragedy. I watched a documetary not to long ago about the city of New Orleans and how it was an impending disaster waiting to happen....it finally did. Being below sea level is a nightmare for the corp of engineers and its going to be pretty damn stupid to rebuild that whole city as low as it is.
Deano
Unleashedclothing (http://www.unleashedclothing.com)

[Jordy]

Being below sea level is a nightmare for the corp of engineers and its going to be pretty damn stupid to rebuild that whole city as low as it is.
Deano
Unleashedclothing (http://www.unleashedclothing.com)
Gotta hand it to the French for designing the city that way. Bunch of thinkers. ;)