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MagicMtnDan
09-12-2005, 10:46 PM
An Unnatural Disaster: A Hurricane Exposes the Man-Made Disaster of the
Welfare State
An Objectivist Review
by Robert Tracinski | The Intellectual Activist
September 2, 2005
It has taken four long days for state and federal officials to figure out
how to deal with the disaster in New Orleans. I can't blame them, because
it has also taken me four long days to figure out what is going on there.
The reason is that the events there make no sense if you think that we are
confronting a natural disaster.
If this is just a natural disaster, the response for public officials is
obvious: you bring in food, water, and doctors; you send transportation to
evacuate refugees to temporary shelters; you send engineers to stop the
flooding and rebuild the city's infrastructure. For journalists, natural
disasters also have a familiar pattern: the heroism of ordinary people
pulling together to survive; the hard work and dedication of doctors,
nurses, and rescue workers; the steps being taken to clean up and rebuild.
Public officials did not expect that the first thing they would have to do
is to send thousands of armed troops in armored vehicle, as if they are
suppressing an enemy insurgency. And journalists--myself included--did not
expect that the story would not be about rain, wind, and flooding, but
about rape, murder, and looting.
But this is not a natural disaster. It is a man-made disaster.
The man-made disaster is not an inadequate or incompetent response by
federal relief agencies, and it was not directly caused by Hurricane
Katrina. This is where just about every newspaper and television channel
has gotten the story wrong.
The man-made disaster we are now witnessing in New Orleans did not happen
over the past four days. It happened over the past four decades. Hurricane
Katrina merely exposed it to public view.
The man-made disaster is the welfare state.
For the past few days, I have found the news from New Orleans to be
confusing. People were not behaving as you would expect them to behave in
an emergency--indeed, they were not behaving as they have behaved in other emergencies. That is what has shocked so many people: they have been saying that this is not what we expect from America. In fact, it is not even what we expect from a Third World country.
When confronted with a disaster, people usually rise to the occasion. They
work together to rescue people in danger, and they spontaneously organize
to keep order and solve problems. This is especially true in America. We
are an enterprising people, used to relying on our own initiative rather
than waiting around for the government to take care of us. I have seen this
a hundred times, in small examples (a small town whose main traffic light
had gone out, causing ordinary citizens to get out of their cars and serve
as impromptu traffic cops, directing cars through the intersection) and
large ones (the spontaneous response of New Yorkers to September 11).
So what explains the chaos in New Orleans?
To give you an idea of the magnitude of what is going on, here is a
description from a Washington Times story:
"Storm victims are raped and beaten; fights erupt with flying fists, knives
and guns; fires are breaking out; corpses litter the streets; and police
and rescue helicopters are repeatedly fired on.
"The plea from Mayor C. Ray Nagin came even as National Guardsmen poured in to restore order and stop the looting, carjackings and gunfire....
"Last night, Gov. Kathleen Babineaux Blanco said 300 Iraq-hardened Arkansas
National Guard members were inside New Orleans with shoot-to-kill orders.
"'These troops are...under my orders to restore order in the streets,' she
said. 'They have M-16s, and they are locked and loaded. These troops know
how to shoot and kill and they are more than willing to do so if necessary
and I expect they will.' "
The reference to Iraq is eerie. The photo that accompanies this article
shows National Guard troops, with rifles and armored vests, riding on an
armored vehicle through trash-strewn streets lined by a rabble of squalid,
listless people, one of whom appears to be yelling at them. It looks
exactly like a scene from Sadr City in Baghdad.
What explains bands of thugs using a natural disaster as an excuse for an
orgy of looting, armed robbery, and rape? What causes unruly mobs to storm
the very buses that have arrived to evacuate them, causing the drivers to
drive away, frightened for their lives? What causes people to attack the
doctors trying to treat patients at the Super Dome?
Why are people responding to natural destruction by causing further
destruction? Why are they attacking the people who are trying to help them?
My wife, Sherri, figured it out first, and she figured it out on a
sense-of-life level. While watching the coverage last night on Fox News
Channel, she told me that she was getting a familiar feeling. She studied
architecture at the Illinois Institute of Chicago, which is located in the
South Side of Chicago just blocks away from the Robert Taylor Homes, one of
the largest high-rise public housing projects in America. "The projects,"
as they were known, were infamous for uncontrollable crime and irremediable
squalor. (They have since, mercifully, been demolished.)
What Sherri was getting from last night's television coverage was a whiff
of the sense of life of "the projects." Then the "crawl"--the informational
phrases flashed at the bottom of the screen on most news channels--gave
some vital statistics to confirm this sense: 75% of the residents of New
Orleans had already evacuated before the hurricane, and of the 300,000 or
so who remained, a large number were from the city's public housing
projects. Jack Wakeland then gave me an additional, crucial fact: early
reports from CNN and Fox indicated that the city had no plan for evacuating
all of the prisoners in the city's jails--so they just let many of them
loose. There is no doubt a significant overlap between these two
populations--that is, a large number of people in the jails used to live in
the housing projects, and vice versa.
There were many decent, innocent people trapped in New Orleans when the
deluge hit--but they were trapped alongside large numbers of people from
two groups: criminals--and wards of the welfare state, people selected,
over decades, for their lack of initiative and self-induced helplessness.
The welfare wards were a mass of sheep--on whom the incompetent
administration of New Orleans unleashed a pack of wolves.
All of this is related, incidentally, to the apparent incompetence of the
city government, which failed to plan for a total evacuation of the city,
despite the knowledge that this might be necessary. But in a city corrupted
by the welfare state, the job of city officials is to ensure the flow of
handouts to welfare recipients and patronage to political supporters--not
to ensure a lawful, orderly evacuation in case of emergency.
No one has really reported this story, as far as I can tell. In fact, some
are already actively distorting it, blaming President Bush, for example,
for failing to personally ensure that the Mayor of New Orleans had drafted
an adequate evacuation plan. The worst example is an execrable piece from
the Toronto Globe and Mail, by a supercilious Canadian who blames the chaos
on American "individualism." But the truth is precisely the opposite: the
chaos was caused by a system that was the exact opposite of individualism.
What Hurricane Katrina exposed was the psychological consequences of the
welfare state. What we consider "normal" behavior in an emergency is
behavior that is normal for people who have values and take the
responsibility to pursue and protect them. People with values respond to a
disaster by fighting against it and doing whatever it takes to overcome the
difficulties they face. They don't sit around and complain that the
government hasn't taken care of them. They don't use the chaos of a
disaster as an opportunity to prey on their fellow men.
But what about criminals and welfare parasites? Do they worry about saving
their houses and property? They don't, because they don't own anything. Do
they worry about what is going to happen to their businesses or how they
are going to make a living? They never worried about those things before.
Do they worry about crime and looting? But living off of stolen wealth is a
way of life for them.
The welfare state--and the brutish, uncivilized mentality it sustains and
encourages--is the man-made disaster that explains the moral ugliness that
has swamped New Orleans. And that is the story that no one is reporting.

SmokinLowriderSS
09-13-2005, 04:32 AM
Look out Dan, PosterXlax will shortly start calling you a neocommunist, fascist, sheeple, nazi.
It is correct tho, and led off another post thread:
http://www2.***boat.com/forums/showthread.php?t=91393
I just wish I had faith that someone somewhere would STOP IT, would reduce and end these decades long buyoffs of people into dependancy. As seen here, it is NOT "helping" any of them, it causes only HARM in the long term. It's going to have been going on for a century pretty soon, what GOOD has come of it?
Someone giving you $$ for a couple months in a bad situation IS helpful (if $$ is what is needed) but givving it to you FOREVER "just because", is a long leap backwards.

Poster X
09-13-2005, 02:46 PM
1240 children are missing.
Over 2500 senior citizens are unaccounted for.
The main thing is that y'all need to worry about displacing blame and indigents getting into your pockets. Viva Amerika.
seig heil

Steve 1
09-13-2005, 03:05 PM
1240 children are missing.
Over 2500 senior citizens are unaccounted for.
The main thing is that y'all need to worry about displacing blame and indigents getting into your pockets. Viva Amerika.
seig heil
Rat squeak!

Steve 1
09-13-2005, 03:44 PM
http://images.uploadyourimages.com/219546a_stop-blaming-fema.jpg

ROZ
09-13-2005, 03:54 PM
1240 children are missing.
Over 2500 senior citizens are unaccounted for.
What about adults between the ages of 18- 64 ? We haven't even heard from Hoss, yet...
The main thing is that y'all need to worry about displacing blame and indigents getting into your pockets. Viva Amerika.
seig heil
I'd rather drop the "he said, she said" and see the action of society getting back to order. Let you guys hash the blame out in congressional hearings 10 -18 months down the road.. This bs does absolutely nothing for the effected communities that need help NOW!

Jeanyus
09-13-2005, 04:13 PM
1240 children are missing.
Over 2500 senior citizens are unaccounted for.
The main thing is that y'all need to worry about displacing blame and indigents getting into your pockets. Viva Amerika.
seig heil
Ironic, how lefties, seem to use victums of a tragedy, as a tool. Then they mention something about thier God (money) throw out a Nazi slogan.
Then go home to thier mansions and pat each other on the back and talk about how the are compassionate people.

Seadog
09-13-2005, 05:39 PM
In ten years, Oklahoma City has seen two of the worse disasters in history. The bombing and the May 3rd tornado. In both cases, the area maintained law and order, did rescue operations and buried the dead. While I realize that there are differences, the state Homeland Security director was asked tonight if we would have to worry federal response if something of the magnitude of New Orleans hit. His response was that the communities and the state work hand in hand with the federal agencies on a steady basis. We know that disasters can hit at any time and with a lot less warning than NO got. Our state makes sure we have plans in place and rehearse them with all affected agencies. Big on the OK HS schedule is to get communication systems in place that allow all agencies to talk to each other. This includes making sure that the system can work without outside power.
We need to learn from this tragedy, but the fact is that emergency plans require work and coordination. If the entities do not communicate and know how each element is going to do, there is no plan. New Orleans made no effort and the state made no effort. The feds are going to concentrate any efforts to train on theose communities that are amking an effort. Despite that, they did make an effort to define the threat. That nothing had time to get accomplished should not be a failure of this administration, but of past administrations that failed to worry about it.

OGShocker
09-13-2005, 05:51 PM
1240 children are missing.
Over 2500 senior citizens are unaccounted for.
The main thing is that y'all need to worry about displacing blame and indigents getting into your pockets. Viva Amerika.
seig heil
Funny how much that sack over your head has in common with my colon, they are both full of shit.

northern baja
09-15-2005, 04:01 AM
Are we all so dependent that we can blame "the government" when we get wet after not being smart enough to get out of the rain?
None of us are willing to pay the taxes or lose the freedoms that would actually give "the government" the power to force us to do what they thought was best.
These people were warned and they stocked up for "Hurricane parties" instead of getting their affairs in order and getting the hell out of a manmade hole in the water!
I'm more unimmpressed with our media than the government. Their focus is on the acknowledged house of cards we call New Orleans rather than all the people, the challenges, the heros, and the needs across several states. Mississippi was hit directly by this storm. how many pictures or stories have your heard from the areas directly hit?
I don't know about you but I'm not willing to revert to a socialist government and take all of our standards of living down to just above poverty, just to give the government enough control to "protect" us.
I've chosen to live in MN, this Winter if the temp through some fluke drops to -20 for a three or four weeks and we lose the fuel supplies to heat our places do I have the right to blame the government for it and expect you to be taxed to supply fuel?! I don't think so. Your view would be "It's MN, why didn't they prep for this, why did they choose that place to live?"
The only thing I question on our government is how/why they allowed the whole dyke plan in the first place. and why would we invest in rebuilding this house of cards.
I hope the other states aren't forgotten in the relief effort, the New Orleans pirates shouldn't be the only ones getting our help, just because they made the decision to stay back, party down, and see what they could pick-up after the storm.
New Orleans is a very dangerous place for people going in to help. Robberies, murders, rapes. Lots of the people laying in the streets, didn't get catch in the storm they were murdered!

Poster X
09-15-2005, 05:09 AM
If the governments job isn't to protect us... then what is it?

Seadog
09-15-2005, 06:23 AM
The federal government is responsible to provide regulations, national law enforcement and military protection from other nations. It should be a means of coordinating states, but never a usurper of the states responsibilities.

Poster X
09-15-2005, 06:46 AM
You're saying our governments job is to only protect us from foreign powers? Whatever happens to us here...just happens? If that were the case we'd only need a military and could dispense with all other offices. Your own post up there doesn't seem a little fascist to you?

Jeanyus
09-15-2005, 07:25 AM
You're saying our governments job is to only protect us from foreign powers? Whatever happens to us here...just happens? If that were the case we'd only need a military and could dispense with all other offices. Your own post up there doesn't seem a little fascist to you?
Funny how you say the government can't do anything right, then you want the government to controll your life.
Your world seems like a big oxy-moron, emphasis on the moron.

Poster X
09-15-2005, 07:35 AM
I don't want them to control my life. I want them to do what I hired them to do. Protect the people and represent the will of the people.

Steve 1
09-15-2005, 08:09 AM
X they are!
BTW Did Your mental hospital/Doctor test too many drugs on you today?

Seadog
09-15-2005, 10:27 AM
Posser, your total lack of any sense at all never ceases to amaze me. How can a government that restricts its oversight into our lives be considered fascist. by its very nature, fascism demands total control over the people by the government. One of the major battles, in our nation, has been the debate over what is the role of the federal government vs. the role of the states. In no place does the constitution says that it is the federal government's responsibility to provide any or all disaster relief. In fact, it is by past experiences that we have developed the current level of disaster relief. The American Red Cross was brought into being by the Johnstown flood in the 1800s.
It would be nice if you grew up and acted like an adult. Or at least something better than an obnoxious teenager on drugs.

Poster X
09-15-2005, 10:31 AM
How can a government that restricts its oversight into our lives be considered fascist. by its very nature, fascism demands total control over the people by the government.
Ummm...ever heard of the Patriot Act?

Steve 1
09-15-2005, 10:38 AM
Ever heard we are at War Turd X ??

Blown 472
09-15-2005, 10:47 AM
Ever heard we are at War Turd X ??
Can you ever reply without some stupid put down? shows that you have no debate skills what so ever, something over your head so you start with the put downs.

Steve 1
09-15-2005, 10:52 AM
Can you ever reply without some stupid put down? shows that you have no debate skills what so ever, something over your head so you start with the put downs.
You trying to be funny now??Clean your own house rat face!

Seadog
09-15-2005, 01:04 PM
This is another example of childish logic. The Patriot Act does not affect the average citizen and can actually provide for protection against unwarranted intrusion. The Patriot Act is simply a fast track method of gathering information and means of preventing terrorists from hiding behind false fronts. Obviously, you have not bothered to read the act in anythiing but edited form or you would realize that it mainly closes some big loopholes that criminals have been driving trucks through.

Poster X
09-15-2005, 01:31 PM
The Patriot Act has given the government the right to invade our lives with no risk of repercussion's from the private sector. The fact they haven't acted on it yet by no means implies they won't. The current regime has also eliminated our right to protest. Slowly, they are taking civil liberties away. In no time, we'll be living in a military state wondering what the hell happened.

Blown 472
09-15-2005, 02:32 PM
The Patriot Act has given the government the right to invade our lives with no risk of repercussion's from the private sector. The fact they haven't acted on it yet by no means implies they won't. The current regime has also eliminated our right to protest. Slowly, they are taking civil liberties away. In no time, we'll be living in a military state wondering what the hell happened.
No way dude, bush wouldn't do that to us :idea: :idea: You know if these peeps would stop taking everything at face value and do a little digging they might be amazed at what they find, but you show them stuff they don't want to see and they call you a liberal fag, commie anti american blah blah blah, don't upset the apple cart and it will be ok. :(

northern baja
09-15-2005, 07:20 PM
If the governments job isn't to protect us... then what is it?
Think about it dude every thing they do for you is taking away a little peice of your freedom.
Every law you've ever tripped over.. the speeding ticket, boating regs, liquior laws wer all enacted for your protection. Do you agree with all those laws?
Now think of the taxes and controls they'd have to harness you with if the government was to attempt to protect you from acts of god like the weather!
I want them to protect me from gross thieves and in compitence, past that I'll fin for myself. I'm not willing to pay for the baby sitting and I don't want my freedom taken from me.

Seadog
09-16-2005, 05:25 AM
So, we should outlaw martial law since it could be abused by the President? Or the many other laws and practices that could be abused? We enjoy liberties that no other nation grants. There are times, though, that some of these privledges must be temporarily suspended for the common good. Many of what you call invasions are what other 'liberal' nations have made part of their culture without any problems. I love it when your argument is not what a person has done, but what they could do. It is the same logic that says a black man could rape a white girl, so we should repress black men. Your argument is pure hate.

Poster X
09-16-2005, 06:47 AM
Our government has acted on every legal loophole in our system without prejudice. There is no reason to think this is an exception. If they really wanted to use the Patriot Act for the sole purpose of investigating terrorists they could have passed a bill giving them the right. There was no need for an entire rewriting of our inalienable rights under the guise of "suspected terrorist." Just the terms "Patriot Act" and "Homeland Security" reek of Nazi influence. Maybe you can get them to rename it something more palatable?

Steve 1
09-16-2005, 08:06 AM
X Well then maybe you could be a victim in the next terrorist attack since we do not need any extra protection.

Seadog
09-16-2005, 01:58 PM
So now, it is a fascist takeover plot because it has a catchy name. Love the strong logic.

SmokinLowriderSS
09-16-2005, 06:58 PM
Since I doube PosterX even knows what fascism is:
From: http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Fascism/Fascism_def_char_hx.html
A totalitarian philosophy of government that glorifies the state and nation and assigns to the state control over every aspect of national life. The name was first used by the party started by Benito Mussolini , who ruled Italy from 1922 until the Italian defeat in World War II. However, it has also been applied to similar ideologies in other countries, e.g., to National Socialism in Germany and to the regime of Francisco Franco in Spain.
For you peopel who actually think the US IS BECOMING fascist and you libs need to FIX IT, Try disproving these.
Oh, it's from here: http://www.couplescompany.com/Features/Politics/Structure3.htm
The 14 Defining
Characteristics Of Fascism
by Dr. Lawrence Britt
Dr. Lawrence Britt has examined the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia) and several Latin American regimes. Britt found 14-defining characteristics common to each:
1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism -
Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights -
Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.
Don't try Homeland Security, the ACLU exagerates it all already. Hmmm. I think PosterX already advised some covert assasinations this week. This country LEADS THE WORLD IN HUMAN RIGHTS FOR IT'S PEOPLE.
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause -
The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.
See Political Correctness.
4. Supremacy of the Military -
Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.
The US Mil Budget is under 3% GNP, the USSR's was OVER 25% when they went broke. Where is the domestic agenda neglect? Compare the worst AMC Gremlin with a Trabant at it's BEST, No Contest. Our soldiers deserve a lot more glamor than they will ever get for doing a job so few want to do (they ALL VOLUNTEERED)
5. Rampant Sexism -
The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion and homosexuality are suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family institution.
There are a LOT of WOMEN AND NON-WHITES in the US govt at ALL LEVELS OF POWER. The Presidency will happen soon as well. How have we "supressed" a 50+% divorce rate, Abortion is a "CIVIL RIGHT", and homosexuality is "normal" and to be apreciated, welcomed, EMBRACED.
6. Controlled Mass Media -
Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.
The British govt controlls the BBC (to an extent). Somebody tell me just WHO CONTROLLS THE MEDIA HERE when you will look long and hard to try to find a positive story about the current administration? In a real fascist country, there would be a lot of dead (or "vanished") reporters who reported "wrong" and a LOT of good, positive stuff about the govt.
7. Obsession with National Security -
Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.
Tell me where our "obsession" is when we have 2 borders thet are basically WFO (wide freaking open)? That's not even counting the coasts.
8. Religion and Government are Intertwined -
Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.
Just what religion does our government SPONSOR AS THE OFFICIAL RELIGION OF THE US? None, because it CANNOT ("GOD" is NOT a religion). Last time I checked, Catholics suport "god", Prodestants support "god", Jews support "god", Even MUSLIMS ACTUALLY BELIEVE IN "GOD", they choose to worship one of his prophets (Mohamed). Now, none of these gods seems to have a name, other than "god", they even base them in the same (or closely similar) stories, locations, and times.
If the president talks to god, I'm OK with it, if he gets a lot of answers or has Sunday coffee chats with god, I'm concerned, if he ARGUES WITH GOD, I'm worried he's nuts now. Find me a kid who has said "god let me pass this test", guess what, he just talked to god, just like the president.
9. Corporate Power is Protected -
The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.
Prove it guys. The govt has so many layers of regulations that HAMPER BUSINESSES that there is NO WAY BUSINESS CONTROLLS THINGS. "BIG OIL" would love to not have to make 200+ DIFFERENT GRADES of gasoline, but government regulations say THEY MUST.
10. Labor Power is Suppressed -
Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.
Who is supressing the labor unions? Don't even bring up PATCO, they broke the law, defied their boss, and got hammered. They tried defying a law about PUBLIC SAFETY. Now, Lessee, Labor unions are slowly killing off big business (airlines) but big business is in charge right? So why are the airlines not STOMPING THE UNIONS INTO THE DUST?
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts -
Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked.
When was the last time a professor was even held to the carpet for something he said (to include the moron from UC Boulder(the anti-war, anti-American moron)) I don't remember his name currently.
12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment -
Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.
How many criminals WALK due to loopholes, evidence thrown out in the name of civil rights? Even the FBI is hands-tied these days.
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption -
Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.
See Louisiana State History for examples here. There are isolated occurences in the fed govt over 200 years. Prove your accusations boys. All the crap about The VP is just that, crap. I guess nobody who ever gets anywhere in a business anywhere can ever be in govt, nor can any employer anyone in govt ever worked for ever have a govt contract. Ever think just WHAT THAT WOULD ACTUALLY ELIMINATE?
14. Fraudulent Elections -
Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.
Sure, sure, Busch bought 2 fraudulent elections (2000 & 2004), problem is, it has been DISPROVED A HUNDRED TIMES! Just wait, the republicans just MIGHT "steal" another one in 2008.
Waitaminuite, who were those folks who were actually CAUGHT & PROSECUTED for voter/election fraud? Seems almost all them were Dems (like 85%).
Oh, by the way, the smear campain in the media was beneficial to the LOOSER BOTH TIMES.
PROVE YOUR DISAGREEMENTS GUYS, FACTS (I have them, you can find 'em too, if you look).

SmokinLowriderSS
09-16-2005, 07:04 PM
Here's Wikipedia's definition:
The term fascism has come to mean any system of government resembling Mussolini's, that in various combinations:
exalts the nation and party above the individual, with the state apparatus being supreme.
(THE STATE SHOULD PROTECT US EH?)
stresses loyalty to a single leader, and submission to a single culture.
(SUBMISSION TO AN ALL-HAPPY, ALL-EQUAL, MONOCULTURE THROUGH THE POWER OF POLITICAL CORRECTNESS)
engages in economic totalitarianism through the creation of a Corporatist State, where the divergent economic and social interests of different races and classes are combined with the interests of the State.
(BUT THERE IS NO CORPORATIST STATE, although some are trying to "take from each according to their abilities, give to each according to their needs")