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Freak
09-15-2005, 05:59 AM
I have a problem when a candidate for the highest court in the land reverts to Clinton style weasel-wording of answers so that his position on an issue is not revealed. If someone can't clearly articulate their beliefs for what ever reason, they shouldn't have the job. What the D.C. scene lacks, is people with the balls to articulate honestly held positions. What we have instead are mealy-mouthed pawns who hide their true beliefs and don't articulate well-reasoned positions. Makes me want to puke! :yuk: I am sick of both the Repubs and Dems. We the people need to take our gov back.
Stepping of my soap box now.

Poster X
09-15-2005, 06:16 AM
I think it's a little late to take our government back? Short of a revolution I don't know how it can be done? The machine we call "our government" has become a Leviathon and beyond our ability to control. On another note, those hearings would be a bitch. It's like an inquisition. It would be very difficult to be candid under such scrutiny.

Steve 1
09-15-2005, 06:28 AM
Here you go!The ugly Communist Bat of the West..
http://judgeroberts.com/epresskit/ginsburg.wmv
This is exactly what Roberts should do when Pants Pissing Chuckie and the brain-dead, socialist, anti-American dog-crap try to trap him Go Roberts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Old Texan
09-15-2005, 02:55 PM
Sen Kennedy asks the racial test question:
"If a black man and a white woman (who happened to be a campaign worker being rewarded with a holiday on the island) were drowning at the same timed, whom would you save?"
Integrity in the Senate............. Please

cxr133
09-15-2005, 02:57 PM
I have a problem when a candidate for the highest court in the land reverts to Clinton style weasel-wording of answers so that his position on an issue is not revealed. If someone can't clearly articulate their beliefs for what ever reason, they shouldn't have the job.
LOL can we all SAY GOVERNOR SCHWARZENEGGAR :supp:

Old Texan
09-15-2005, 03:03 PM
In all seriousness gentlefolks, what our country needs most is term limitaitons in both House and Senate.
The higher court positions should be nominations by the sitting Pres. and voted on in the first national election after such appointment.
Supreme Court positions limited to 12 yrs. and ideally limited to age 75.
Revolution is the ability of the people to wake up and insist on intelligent agendas. Believe it or not it can be done at the polls. Libs must get off the PC bs and condemnation of restrictions on voter qualifications, ie- picture ID and clear proof of residence.
Sorry PX I will not accept the "it's too late excuse...." That's just frustration and laziness.

Poster X
09-15-2005, 03:06 PM
Libs must get off the PC bs and condemnation of restrictions on voter qualifications, ie- picture ID and clear proof of residence.
Huh?

Old Texan
09-15-2005, 05:42 PM
Politically correct bull--it is a symtom of indecision and lack of commitment to a solution. Trying to be everything to everyone.
The voting qualifications is reference to the State of GA's decision to clarify one's proof of citizenship by requiring picture ID. A number of folks have condemned the decision by claiming it would remove the right from the poor and elderly.
Let me ask you a couple of questions P X.
What would you do to end the threat of terrorism?
What would have happened if Udi Hussein would have pulled the coup he was very close to?
Do you feel a number of Dem Senators including Kennedy, Palosi, Byrd, Biden are anything but obstructionists? They do nothing but criticize and condemn and have no answers.

Poster X
09-15-2005, 06:01 PM
Let me ask you a couple of questions P X.
What would you do to end the threat of terrorism?
What would have happened if Udi Hussein would have pulled the coup he was very close to?
Do you feel a number of Dem Senators including Kennedy, Palosi, Byrd, Biden are anything but obstructionists? They do nothing but criticize and condemn and have no answers.
Glad you asked. I would have funded the CIA and FBI to work jointly on anti terror and asassinating Osama Bin Laden. I would have put the FBI in charge of anti terror in the US and would have assigned the CIA to covert anti terror ops worldwide. By putting them to work together and jointly sharing funding I would have eliminated their long standing feud because they wouldn't be competing for funding. The CIA has long been an operation capable of fighting fire with fire, ie terrorism with terrorism. By doing this I would have obtained immediate results. You would only know about a car bomb that went off and killed 30 Hamas elders. I would have also created less bureaucracy by uniting these two great and resourceful agencies. By now I would have saved this country 300 billion dollars and we would still be milking post 9/11 sympathy worldwide.
Never heard of Udi husseins coup but he would have been dead by now anyway.
Of course I don't think Kennedy et al are obstructionists. Would you call the Kenneth Starr witch hunt obstructionist?

Old Texan
09-15-2005, 06:16 PM
In a perfect world covert operations could be effective. But historically those that have tried have been condemned as out of control. And what about human rights. This is the gripe heard constantly when we don't treat everyone with kid gloves. Never survive the fallout. I certainly don't disagree with the intent of your solution but the laws of the land would all point to illegality.
Peter Arnett has written several articles about Udi's falling out with papa and his growing control of the country prior to the war.
I just don't understand how anyone can find good with the likes of Kennedy and his cronies. These people have done nothing positive in years. Term limitations are essential to keeping fresh blood and functionality in our best interests. This a problem regardless of party affiliation.

Poster X
09-15-2005, 06:21 PM
Public opinion never stopped the CIA as long as they received Presidential support. You can semi blame Ronald Reagan for the CIA's fall from grace. Had Udi usurped his Dad there is no way of telling how it would have affected anything? I'd like to think the Iraqi people would have revolted at that point, and we'd of never had to fight them anyway. In my perfect world I would have gone to Somalia and the West Bank long before I worried about Iraq.
You never answered my question about Kenneth Starr?

Old Texan
09-15-2005, 06:35 PM
Witch hunt isn't quite the word for it. Lots of ladies, lots of trysts, lying under oath. Starr was appointed counsel not a member of congress.
Bill Clinton was and is an intelligent fellow, just lacks good judgement in his personal decisions. Hillary scares the hell out of me. She is not a good person and I don't feel any trust in her decision making.
The Ken Starr inquiry is an entirely different issue than my point of term limitations removing obstructionists which is my whole point.
What is your view on term limitations?

Flying Tiger
09-15-2005, 07:42 PM
What is your view on term limitations?
Like jury duty, shouldnt be a profession

Poster X
09-15-2005, 07:44 PM
I don't think I've ever met a person who supports lifetime appointments? Including myself.

Forkin' Crazy
09-15-2005, 10:36 PM
I don't think I've ever met a person who supports lifetime appointments? Including myself.
He didn't say lifetime appointments. He said "term limits".
And I have written my senators about this until I am blue in the face. They won't do it, especially Mary Landrieu and John Breaux, who is out now..... :burningm:

bigq
09-16-2005, 10:16 AM
I have a problem when a candidate for the highest court in the land reverts to Clinton style weasel-wording of answers so that his position on an issue is not revealed. If someone can't clearly articulate their beliefs for what ever reason, they shouldn't have the job. What the D.C. scene lacks, is people with the balls to articulate honestly held positions. What we have instead are mealy-mouthed pawns who hide their true beliefs and don't articulate well-reasoned positions. Makes me want to puke! :yuk: I am sick of both the Repubs and Dems. We the people need to take our gov back.
Stepping of my soap box now.
They keep asking questions of cases and i don't think he can answer them. If he gives an opinion he will not be able to rule on any cases in the future. :rolleyes:
Maybe the dems are doing it on purpose, but he is far from spinning, he just can,t answer and they know that. :notam:

SmokinLowriderSS
09-16-2005, 06:00 PM
Long ago, Senator EDWARD KENNEDY himself said that apointees for Judicial positions SHOULD NOT BE ASKED AND SHOULD NOT BE EXPECTED TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT ANY CASE OF LAW THAT MAY COME BEFORE THEM IN THE FUTURE ON THE SUPREME COURT.
It is known as "The Ginsburgh Rule".
Why now must we expect Roberts TO ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS THAT HAVE NEVER BEEN REQUIRED BEFORE?
What do you think will be the story from the left IF the next justice is nominated by a Democrat? I'll be THEN the Ginsburgh Rule will STILL HAVE A REASON/PURPOSE.
Why do they want to suspend it just for a BUSCH APOINTMENT!??!!?!?!?!

Seadog
09-23-2005, 07:19 AM
Kennedy and Feinstein have gone on record that they will not vote for Roberts confirmation because "he would not give complete answers" and he would not open up to his interogators. Why don't they just say what they really mean. That he would not admit to a litany of false charges and that he had too much integrity to submit to the inane levels of the liberals.

Steve 1
09-23-2005, 09:04 AM
Captain Oldsmobile Kennedy.
http://images.uploadyourimages.com/765451waterlevels2.gif

Steve 1
09-23-2005, 09:20 AM
http://images.uploadyourimages.com/945210gitmotedk.jpg

ROZ
09-23-2005, 11:04 AM
Kennedy and Feinstein have gone on record that they will not vote for Roberts confirmation because "he would not give complete answers" and he would not open up to his interogators. Why don't they just say what they really mean. That he would not admit to a litany of false charges and that he had too much integrity to submit to the inane levels of the liberals.
Yea, the two biggest kooks in the senate said they are confident he can do the job, but can't vote for him in good faith? What the hell is that but saying that they don't "think" his politics don't match theirs... Idiots...
Besides, just because he has a specific point of view now doesn't mean he'll have the same point of view many years down the road....

Havasu_Dreamin
09-23-2005, 02:38 PM
If confirmed is he going to be the Chief Justice of the Supreme court? That's the way it sounds. Wouldn't it make more sense to take one of the other Supreme Court Justices and elevate them?

OutCole'd
09-23-2005, 02:50 PM
If confirmed is he going to be the Chief Justice of the Supreme court? That's the way it sounds. Wouldn't it make more sense to take one of the other Supreme Court Justices and elevate them?
That's how I feel also. Wouldn't that kinda be a slap on the face to the others? :confused:

ROZ
09-23-2005, 02:52 PM
If confirmed is he going to be the Chief Justice of the Supreme court? That's the way it sounds. Wouldn't it make more sense to take one of the other Supreme Court Justices and elevate them?
Would you think a Justice evaluating and elevating could lead to a "good ole boy's " club or do you think they are beyond that?
I think you're on the right track... Maybe someone should be nominated, then the sitting Supreme Court Justices evaluate the nominee's qualifications and interview. Once the intellectual evaluation is finished, the senate get to vote, but only after the justice's evaluations have been throroughly presented to the floor...

ROZ
09-23-2005, 02:55 PM
That's how I feel also. Wouldn't that kinda be a slap on the face to the others? :confused:
Stop giving ones, and slip 5's under her garter :D

Havasu_Dreamin
09-23-2005, 02:56 PM
Would you think a Justice evaluating and elevating could lead to a "good ole boy's " club or do you think they are beyond that?
I think you're on the right track... Maybe someone should be nominated, then the sitting Supreme Court Justices evaluate the nominee's qualifications and interview. Once the intellectual evaluation is finished, the senate get to vote, but only after the justice's evaluations have been throroughly presented to the floor...
It just seems very odd to me that the Chief Justice of the Supreme court is going to be someone who has never even heard a case before the court. Is this solely because he is fulfilling the seat vacated by Rehnquist?

ROZ
09-23-2005, 03:18 PM
Never heard a case? Wasn't he a judge in DC? I thought he worked for Rehnquist in the early 80's as well ?

ROZ
09-23-2005, 03:22 PM
I got this from Law .com
"Roberts, who was first nominated to the D.C. Circuit while he was in the Office of the Solicitor General in 1992. His nomination died, prompting Roberts to return to Hogan and build an esteemed and lucrative Supreme Court practice. He argued 39 cases before the Court in both the private and public sector, winning 25"

Old Texan
09-23-2005, 03:47 PM
Roberts was Renqhist's (sorry about the spelling) clerk, giving insight: presented 39 cases before the Supreme Court, which is more than 90% of any other potential nominee; and historically the Chief Jusice is from chosen outside of the sitting members.
The man is definitely qualified for the job.

Seadog
09-23-2005, 05:46 PM
People have been made CEOs of major corporations without coming up from the ranks. Rarely do they make someone from within the leader any more. Too much baggage. There are many politicians that are argueing that the replacement for O'Connor should not even be a lawyer. And that is not totally unique in our history. The strangest situation was when Taft was appointed to the Supreme Court. Taft was President of the United States before he became Chief Justice.