HTM, American Offshore or Eliminator

[JMC]

In the market for a Cat in the 24 to 26 foot range. I dont have any real time experience with any of these hulls. Leaning towards the AO 26 or HTM SR 24. Can anyone give me their thoughts on how the hulls compare in big water? Any comments or first hand experience is greatly appreciated. THANKS

[FREIND OF AA AND TA]

In the market for a Cat in the 24 to 26 foot range. I dont have any real time experience with any of these hulls. Leaning towards the AO 26 or HTM SR 24. Can anyone give me their thoughts on how the hulls compare in big water? Any comments or first hand experience is greatly appreciated. THANKS
This will be another pocorner!!
I say Eliminator
My freinds fly all over in there HTMs and want bigger boats
You need a lot af tats to own an AO!

[FREIND OF AA AND TA]

Oh ya that sweet 30 is for sale in my sig! Twins baby!!! 90+mph never be towed! Handle 3ft chop at 80mph!!! 87 pump gas! Starts every time!!
$119,000 496 HOs w/ stand-offs

[prosthogod]

I have a 2003 HTM sr24 open bow. Wife and 3 young boys. We love it . Just upgraded the motor to a Larry peto. You will get alot of opinions in here. Go for a ride in them all and then make your disision. You can have a ride in mine anytime.

[Reaper1]

You need a lot af tats to own an AO!
Do you have to smoke cloves too? :rollside:

[Goodtime$]

I have this demo model in stock. huge discounts. boat has gone through a year of testing/changes and is now ready to go with a huge discount attached to it.
496mag, B1 drive, Extreme Trailer, Gaffrig, dana hardware. Ready to roll
First production model pops out next week, priced at $65k with a Mag/B1 combo.....thanks. pm me for prices etc
http://www2.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/2142Picture_011.jpg

[Evil-E]

I have a 2003 HTM sr24 open bow. Wife and 3 young boys. We love it . Just upgraded the motor to a Larry peto. You will get alot of opinions in here. Go for a ride in them all and then make your disision. You can have a ride in mine anytime.
I saw your boat down at Larry's a few weeks ago. What motor did you go with? I'm taking mine down there today to have the drive gone through before I try and sell it :notam: Your boat looks nice. :)

[JMC]

Thanks for chiming in guys. I recently sold my little Allison Grandsport due to the water getting too big around here. Its been STV or Allison for me since 1992 so I am out of my element with these hulls and the whole stern drive thing :) Cant get away from a little speed so Im looking for a Cat. I really dont know much about any of the boats first hand other than what I have read. I turned down a HTM repo in Oklahoma for 36K. Had a 540 with a 1071 etc. Bravo w/cone. The Sponsons were faded badly and the gell was boogered up from some hayseed trying to fix it. Interior was full of wallnuts and chit...its on Boat trader right now for 42K. White w/ blue flames. Have seen an AO advertised with a similar engine for 50k and a few Elims. for just a little more. Do you guys think there is much difference in the ride between these three hulls in the rough stuff?.....I know there has to be some but does any of them actually stand out from the other? What about build?
Now the fun part: Please tell me which you would choose and why? Thanks for the offer Goodtimes but your rig is a little over my head. Im looking for 110 mph in the mid 50k range. Thanks Again!!

[LESSON LEARNED]

Make an offer on this bad boy...... It will suit your needs..... Clean as can be and not old as hell like most at its price......
http://www.offshoreonly.com/esvon/page-4363.html

[Jordy]

Just a little piece of advice here (I'll keep my opinions to myself) but check on insurance before you do anything. I know I was looking at 25' Daytonas and 26' DCB's with HP500's for power a year ago or so and couldn't find anyone who would touch it where the insurance would be less than the boat payments a year, and those were only 90 mph boats and naturally aspirated. Just a suggestion before you get locked into something you can't insure. ;)

[Goodtime$]

No Problem, this boat is for sale at a huge discount, mid 70s on insurable power. best of luck with your decision...the AO Hp500 Vortech is a HUGE DEAL along with the millions of 25 daytonas that can be found.

[Goodtime$]

http://adcache.boattraderonline.com/6/3/3/80052133.htm good deal
http://www.offshoreonly.com/esvon/files/4363_1.jpg http://www.offshoreonly.com/esvon/files/4363_3.jpg best deal......
http://www2.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/2142Picture_008.jpg DISCO.....

[JMC]

Just a little piece of advice here (I'll keep my opinions to myself) but check on insurance before you do anything. I know I was looking at 25' Daytonas and 26' DCB's with HP500's for power a year ago or so and couldn't find anyone who would touch it where the insurance would be less than the boat payments a year, and those were only 90 mph boats and naturally aspirated. Just a suggestion before you get locked into something you can't insure. ;)
I appreciate your concern Jordy but your statement doesnt make much sense.....Unless A. You were gonna finance the boat for the rest of your life....B. You only had 20% to put down or C. You were actually trying to insure a 43' Nor-Tech........:)
Seriously though, If you have experience or have ridden in any of these hulls and are able to give a personal preference........Lay it on me!
That is a sweet AO Goodtimes...If it could be had under 50k it would be a deal. That Daytona also is nice but I wouldn't pay 68K for anything thats going on 7 years period.

[Jordy]

I appreciate your concern Jordy but your statement doesnt make much sense.....Unless A. You were gonna finance the boat for the rest of your life....B. You only had 20% to put down or C. You were actually trying to insure a 43' Nor-Tech........:)
I was just making a suggestion and yes it makes a lot of sense. 9 out of 10 online companies that I found said no right off the bat because they were cats. My company that I have my house and trucks through, wouldnt' touch either one of them. Had something to do with the horsepower to size ratio.
My comment regarding the insurance not being less than the boat payments on a yearly basis was a little tongue in cheek. I was planning on putting better than 50% down and the payments would have only been a couple hundred a month (and paid off in a hurry) or $2400 a year. Insurance, where I could find it, was double that because the 500hp mark and 70 mph mark was exceeded on a cat style boat that was under 30.'
Understand now? Buy whatever you want. I was just trying to help by suggesting that you find out what insurance is going to cost before you sign the dotted line on a 110mph boat that is uninsurable. If you plan on buying it and running without insurance, just let me know when you're going to be out and I'll make sure I'm nowhere around. ;)
Seriously though, If you have experience or have ridden in any of these hulls and are able to give a personal preference........Lay it on me!
I'd look at the Daytona or the AO. Don't know what your idea of big water is though.

[Force This]

Maybe even consider the Force Offshore 26' or 29' Cats, alot of boat for the money and layed out nice.

[Jrocket]

24-26ft range and 110mph?Your going to need a blower motor for that and the insurance is going to be high.Sounds as if your wanting a newer boat for under 50k also....Your going to be shopping for awhile for that one.

[JMC]

Understand now?
was planning on putting better than 50% down and the payments would have only been a couple hundred a month
Well Gordy, I dont see how 50% down and 200 bucks a month pays off anything in a hurry.....$2400.00 a year? Were you talking a 10 year note? Is 10 years a hurry? You have to shorten the life of that note to make your insurance to look cheap:)
Anyhow, thanks for reminding me how we pay way too much for ALL our insurance policies.
Now, do you have any actual input on these hulls????

[Jordy]

Well Gordy, I dont see how 50% down and 200 bucks a month pays off anything in a hurry.....$2400.00 a year?
Sorry, I don't remember the exact numbers as it was a while ago and I ended up not going that route. I picked some off the top of my head to make it simple so you might understand the point I was making. But screw it, buy whatever you want. You asked for input and suggestions. I gave mine. ;)
the insurance is going to be high.
Do you have any input on the hulls???? Apparently insurance isn't an issue. I tried to help and it's gone in one ear and out the other. I'm done here. ;)

[Goodtime$]

JMC..the AO is owned by Drew Down, pm him for more details...the daytonas have been in the trader for a while, just because something is 60 doesnt mean it cant be taken home in the 50 range, cash is king!!110mph for 50k is a huge dollar per mile an hour equation to find, so goodluck....
my boat is new, insurable and put a 502 base carb motor and you should hit 100 with around 700hp....best of luck cheers

[JMC]

Check these out. They are all not 110 mph,,,maybe a couple, but some are under 50K and 40K. Dont know if they are still available though.
http://www.***boat.com/classifieds/ads/view.cfm?ad=1122&title=american%20offshore
http://adcache.boattraderonline.com/6/2/7/80655527.htm
http://adcache.boattraderonline.com/6/1/5/80941515.htm
http://www.h2operformance.com/Details.asp?ID=1133
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http://www.***boat.com/classifieds/ads/view.cfm?ad=1106&title=1996%2026nsx%20American%20Offshore
http://www.***boat.com/classifieds/ads/view.cfm?ad=995&title=1999%20Carrera%20257%20Effect%20X

[BADBLOWN572]

I like the AO's, and won't ride in an HTM. :hammer2:

[Jrocket]

Since the price of insurance is no big deal to you then just buy what ever one you like.Looked like everyone of those boats had a blower on them too.
I would be looking at Drew Downs boat before any of those boats that you put up there.

[Jrocket]

I like the AO's, and won't ride in an HTM. :hammer2:
I will have to agree on this one also.

[FASTERDAMITT]

I agree also. The American Offshore will ride the best in rough water compared to a flat center pod boat. I know from 7 years in a 26 A/O with most friends in Daytona's ect.. The Elim usually have a little more bling. You have to decide what you want more. All are great boats. Drew's A/O is a awsome deal no doubt! Make him an offer. Meet him halway or something. You may find one for 50ish but it will be half as nice. :)

[JMC]

Since the price of insurance is no big deal to you then just buy what ever one you like
Now wait a minute, the price of everything is a big deal to me. I have been paying insurance on STV's and Allisons since 1990. I just sold a Ally GS with a 280 on it. Try talking your Allstate man into insuring a 900lb hull with a Merc 2.5 on it and a ski pole in front of it. I already have been quoted a 23' Cougar MTR w/575 SC for around $800 a year. Im figuring they will hit me in the 1,250 -1,500 range tops. Allstate usually subs another speacialty company for items like this with me.
I agree also. The American Offshore will ride the best in rough water compared to a flat center pod boat. I know from 7 years in a 26 A/O with most friends in Daytona's ect..
Thanks for the actual info Faster! This is what Im looking for.
Bad Blown.....whats up with the HTM's? I kind of like that open bow and mid cabin.

[Sandbar Mike]

Maybe even consider the Force Offshore 26' or 29' Cats, alot of boat for the money and layed out nice.
We want pics! :D

[Dave C]

These guys are correct when it comes to insurance on a Cat. Don't ASSume that you can get insurance on an 25-26' AO, Daytona or HTM from a quote on another brand. Most 25-26' cats are high on the insurance company "shi t-list" especially with big power.
Get yourself a quote first. and make them put it through to the underwriter. Be honest with them too. Most companies won't even touch what your asking for.
For 110 mph 25-26' Cat a legitimate quote from Markel will be more than $2,400 a year.
If you get a quote from Allstate be careful, they may not know what they have on their hands, pray they don't cancel the policy in 60 days, which they have a right to do. If you get it, consider yourself VERY VERY lucky!
But what the hell do I know, I only got cancelled twice! ;) ;) :rollside:
BTW I like the ride in my Daytona. I haven't been in an AO or HTM for comparison though.
Cash talks, bring some $$ and talk some of those used boats down in price. If they won't budge then move on to the next one! You are bound to find one that will!
Good luck.
Now wait a minute, the price of everything is a big deal to me. I have been paying insurance on STV's and Allisons since 1990. I just sold a Ally GS with a 280 on it. Try talking your Allstate man into insuring a 900lb hull with a Merc 2.5 on it and a ski pole in front of it. I already have been quoted a 23' Cougar MTR w/575 SC for around $800 a year. Im figuring they will hit me in the 1,250 -1,500 range tops. Allstate usually subs another speacialty company for items like this with me.
Thanks for the actual info Faster! This is what Im looking for.
Bad Blown.....whats up with the HTM's? I kind of like that open bow and mid cabin.

[NOTALENT]

The problem you will mainly find on the HTM's on this board mainly seems to be that they have a tendancy to roll on big turns @ higher speeds...other than that they are great boats...do a search on these boats...you will find lots of info.
I have done some research on the A/O from word of mouth is that after the new owner took over quality seemed to go down quite a bit. However a few were still built well. Look for the pre 98' I believe it was...(not certain) THe one on the first page listed for sale..Is one of the good one's that were built. The only bad thing about the boat I thought was where the throttle sat...kind of an awkward spot.

[JMC]

If you get a quote from Allstate be careful, they may not know what they have on their hands, pray they don't cancel the policy in 60 days, which they have a right to do. If you get it, consider yourself VERY VERY lucky!
I just hung up with Allstate and an 04 AO with the 500 Merc was $760 a year and he said he will be able to do better than that once we break out the paperwork. I asked him about horsepower ratings and blowers and he said dont worry, there is no box to check on my form for a blower.
It sounds like every kid in town wants a 100mph rig "in the land of sunshine".
So many idiots out there with more money than sense no wonder you guys have to pay out the azz for insurance. We are still on the "Good ole boy" network here in the SEC....Thank the Lord.

[LESSON LEARNED]

Check these out. They are all not 110 mph,,,maybe a couple, but some are under 50K and 40K. Dont know if they are still available though.
http://www.***boat.com/classifieds/ads/view.cfm?ad=1122&title=american%20offshore
http://adcache.boattraderonline.com/6/2/7/80655527.htm
http://adcache.boattraderonline.com/6/1/5/80941515.htm
http://www.h2operformance.com/Details.asp?ID=1133
http://www.boats.com/listing/boat_details.jsp?entityid=101550521&searchtype=buy&searchid=1&back=%2Flisting%2Fcache%2Flisting_search_results.j sp%3Fbdi%3Dtrue%26searchtype%3Dbuy%26uom%3D126%26p ayingBrandsOnly%3Dtrue%26sm%3D3%26duom%3D126%26wuo m%3D126%26luom%3D126%26ps%3D20%26sfm%3Dfalse%26man %3Deliminator%26psdistance%3D500%26slim%3Dquick%26 so%3D2%26pszipcode%3DZip%26searchPage%3D%252Flisti ng%252Fcache%252Fquick_search.jsp%26n%3D1%253A1%25 3A22897%253A50187%253A52&showDL=false&showMD=false
http://adcache.boattraderonline.com/6/4/8/80375348.htm
http://www.***boat.com/classifieds/ads/view.cfm?ad=1106&title=1996%2026nsx%20American%20Offshore
http://www.***boat.com/classifieds/ads/view.cfm?ad=995&title=1999%20Carrera%20257%20Effect%20X
All of these above listings are junk......Either big gel mistakes on the builders behalf, or just out of date technology and down right crap.........
We are all here to help you, but it looks to me like you have it all figured out already....

[prosthogod]

I saw your boat down at Larry's a few weeks ago. What motor did you go with? I'm taking mine down there today to have the drive gone through before I try and sell it :notam: Your boat looks nice. :)
I had his 548 EFI(653hp) put in. Very pretty and strong.
For all the rest, my insurance through AM-FAM is $665.00.

[ELIMINAT THIS]

I just hung up with Allstate and an 04 AO with the 500 Merc was $760 a year and he said he will be able to do better than that once we break out the paperwork. I asked him about horsepower ratings and blowers and he said dont worry, there is no box to check on my form for a blower.
It sounds like every kid in town wants a 100mph rig "in the land of sunshine".
So many idiots out there with more money than sense no wonder you guys have to pay out the azz for insurance. We are still on the "Good ole boy" network here in the SEC....Thank the Lord.
LOL That is the same Quote I got 1 year ago from my allstate agent,tell him to call the underwrighter.When my agent sent in the paper work the underwrighter said " HELL NO" but why am I telling you this you have it all figured out. When you buy your 110 mph boat and you are paying 3500 a year or driving around with no insurance because no one will insure it would you mind coming back on here and letting us know. :coffeycup Good luck to you.

[JMC]

All of these above listings are junk......Either big gel mistakes on the builders behalf, or just out of date technology and down right crap.........
Ok, so every one of the boats are junk? I don't see any help your offering..... GENIUS
First of all, I would like to thank all the guys that have actually offered some good info here and have been very helpfull with my question. For the rest of you guys....just because you cant afford insurance for the rig "you wanted" and had to settle for something less your still OK....Just dont be pissed at the rest of the world. I see some of the 25 to 26 foot rigs for sale out there and its bigger than your f 'n house. Im not some snot nosed, California dreaming, home equity guzzling punk that will sell his ole ladies picture and right nut for a damn boat. Now, since you guys are so sold on me not being able pay insurance, have you not considered how rude this is? You dont who I am, what I do, how old I am or anything. I figure my interpretation of telling you who I am not probably fits some of you blowhards pretty well.
Once again, thanks for the info to a few of you, but I hope the letters F and O mean something to the rest of you.

[prosthogod]

Ok, so every one of the boats are junk? I don't see any help your offering..... GENIUS
First of all, I would like to thank all the guys that have actually offered some good info here and have been very helpfull with my question. For the rest of you guys....just because you cant afford insurance for the rig "you wanted" and had to settle for something less your still OK....Just dont be pissed at the rest of the world. I see some of the 25 to 26 foot rigs for sale out there and its bigger than your f 'n house. Im not some snot nosed, California dreaming, home equity guzzling punk that will sell his ole ladies picture and right nut for a damn boat. Now, since you guys are so sold on me not being able pay insurance, have you not considered how rude this is? You dont who I am, what I do, how old I am or anything. I figure my interpretation of telling you who I am not probably fits some of you blowhards pretty well.
Once again, thanks for the info to a few of you, but I hope the letters F and O mean something to the rest of you.
WELL F***ING SAID!!!

[NorCalCat]

Ok, so every one of the boats are junk? I don't see any help your offering..... GENIUS
First of all, I would like to thank all the guys that have actually offered some good info here and have been very helpfull with my question. For the rest of you guys....just because you cant afford insurance for the rig "you wanted" and had to settle for something less your still OK....Just dont be pissed at the rest of the world. I see some of the 25 to 26 foot rigs for sale out there and its bigger than your f 'n house. Im not some snot nosed, California dreaming, home equity guzzling punk that will sell his ole ladies picture and right nut for a damn boat. Now, since you guys are so sold on me not being able pay insurance, have you not considered how rude this is? You dont who I am, what I do, how old I am or anything. I figure my interpretation of telling you who I am not probably fits some of you blowhards pretty well.
Once again, thanks for the info to a few of you, but I hope the letters F and O mean something to the rest of you.
Well said JMC! Do look at the Force Offshore. Also, read the article in the new Hot Boat! I own a 04 29' and I am very pleased! Powered by a 540, not too much but enought to have lots of fun!
Keep us posted.

[Jordy]

Now, since you guys are so sold on me not being able pay insurance, have you not considered how rude this is?
I don't see where anyone suggested that you wouldn't be able to pay the insurance bill. The suggestion was made that you look into it before you got into a boat that was uninsurable or outrageously high. There is a difference there. I know before I bought my cat, I called my agent and told him the different boats I was looking at, and yes, insurance played a big role in which way I was going to go. People are just trying to help you make an informed decision, coming from insuring a smaller boat with a 250hp outboard is a little different than insuring a 25' boat with 1100 blown hp. But as was pointed out, you seem to know everything, so why bother asking???? You said it best. F. O. newbie. ;)

[ELIMINAT THIS]

I don't see where anyone suggested that you wouldn't be able to pay the insurance bill. The suggestion was made that you look into it before you got into a boat that was uninsurable or outrageously high. There is a difference there. I know before I bought my cat, I called my agent and told him the different boats I was looking at, and yes, insurance played a big role in which way I was going to go. People are just trying to help you make an informed decision, coming from insuring a smaller boat with a 250hp outboard is a little different than insuring a 25' boat with 1100 blown hp. But as was pointed out, you seem to know everything, so why bother asking???? You said it best. F. O. newbie. ;)
Well said Jordy. We realy are trying to help D.S.

[JMC]

All of these above listings are junk......Either big gel mistakes on the builders behalf, or just out of date technology and down right crap.........
Lesson Learned....hehe! I find your user name very contradicting when compared to the BS you type.
You know, after I re-read that "line" you threw out there off your cuff made me wonder.......how could anyone with an IQ in triple digits make such an assnine statement? SOME of those boats are as clean as they come. Are you a little slow? Do you own a boat? I can already here it....." Thats a picture of my 30..odd foot yada yada in my signature".....yeah, yeah that either Mom or Dad or probably Grandpa pays for. No one out there that actually works for their money would make such a stupid statement.

[JMC]

Yeah JORDY, I heard your insurance statement about 12 post's ago. Around here you cant get trailer tags or reg. sticker if you dont have insurance and besides Im not stupid. So what the F are you getting at? Do you just badger people all the time on this site? Sure Im a newb here and you sure have given me a great welcome :( Why are all of your post's revolving around f'n insurance? I heard you the first time. Did you read the thread?....you know about asking for real info on these hulls? What the heck have you brought to the table? And no, you have not helped me a bit...all you have done is made me show my azz in front of some good guys here. Why dont you just be done with my thread like you said you were in a earlier post?

[Keith E. Sayre]

You may have noticed a post earlier in the week that I made listing some cats
that could work for you. Here's the list again.
I have access to the following cats:
(1) 2002 Howard 26' Cat (same bottom as Talon and A/O and Shockwave and
Magic and Conquest and Firehawk and others cats)38 total hours on the boat
and blown 510 inch Chevrolet with innercooler, 105 mph on pump gas, new
Teague built drive, hydraulic assist steering, Auto Meter monster gauges,
great gelcoat design and colors, big cd system, this boat is loaded and has
hardly been used. Asking $65,000 for a quick sale. Must be gone quickly.
Owner leaving area.
(2) 1998 Eliminator 25' Daytona, 113 mph! fresh blown and innercooled 572
inch Chevrolet, IMCO stand off box, full hydraulic steering to the helm, low
hours, super clean, loaded! Asking $65,000
(3) 1996 Eliminator 25' Daytona, 105 mph, fresh blown and innercooled
510 inch Chevrolet with fresh IMCO drive, hydraulic steering, nice cd system, loaded boat, great condition, Asking $55,000
(4) 2004 Magic 28' Cat with open bow/mid cabin. 100 hours on a 496HO,
bravo 1 drive, 70 mph, huge cd system, looks new still, great colors, loaded, asking $75,000.
(5) 1991 Warlock 25' Cat, fresh 468 inch blown and innercooled chevrolet,
boat completely redone 4 years ago. very clean, 95 mph asking $42,500
attached are the first 3 boats listed.
I also have other larger cats available. Please let me know if you need add'l
photos and info.
Keith Sayre
Conquest Boats
928-680-1400
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Keith Sayre
Conquest Boats
Lake Havasu City
928-680-1400
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[Jordy]

. Why dont you just be done with my thread like you said you were in a earlier post?
You're a real f.uckin' winner. Apparently reading comprehension isn't your strong suite. I gave my opinion of which route I'd go and even posed a question about what kind of "big" water you planned on running in, but you were too busy being an assbag to respond to that. :rolleyes:
Hope you're happy with whatever $40K uninsurable 110mph boat you end up with genius. :notam:

[CornWater]

Dammit... I hate to say this, but I agree with Jordy.. :cry:

[Jordy]

Dammit... I hate to say this, but I agree with Jordy.. :cry:
I hate when that happens. And I even quoted it so you can't delete it. :D :D :D

[CornWater]

I hate when that happens. And I even quoted it so you can't delete it. :D :D :D
HH.. can you help a brotha out??? :)

[JMC]

You're a real f.uckin' winner Well, thank you Jordy! I must be! Because I have received 12 Pm's from members giving their opinions on these hulls.....thanks guys! One thing that is funny though all but one of them mention how big of a jerk you are...not just behind a keyboard but in person as well. You are the man or some sort of!!! and everyone knows it!! Cheers Mate
Now, get the F out of my thread.

[Havasu Cig]

I would go with either A/O or Eliminator. I was never a big fan of HTM and now that the owner killed himself in one of his boats I would definitely not own one (Just my opinion). Re-sale on most performance boats are bad enough, and I will think you will find it would be worse on an HTM these days than either an A/O or Daytona. The A/O will probably handle bigger water better but the Daytona will be faster with the same power.
As far as insurance goes I would not trust the quote you got from Allstate. It is way out of the ball park and chances are they will cancel you down the road when they find out what they insured. I had this happen to me on my 26 DCB. After 6 months I got cancelled when they found out exactly what a Mach 26 was.
Insurance on my 04 28 Skater with 300x's, no bull$hit on speeds or value is $3500 a year. I was also told by a few companies that they will not touch anybody who has not owned a cat before. Luckily this is # 4 for me. Good luck.

[DrewDown]

This is some good shit. Keep it up boys.
JMC, My AO handles the rough stuff very very well.
My insurance is $575 a year. The agent you spoke to is right about not having a box to check for a blower. If I had 1200 hp in my boat the premium would be the same. Don't want to argue with any of you about that but that is what my agent told me and I'm OK with it.
There are a few junk AO's out there. Mine is not one of them, I don't buy junk.

[Havasu Cig]

They don't care about blowers, but they do care about hp, speed and value. My father spent 5 years in court over a 130k claim with farmers insurance and one of the tactics they used was the agents mistakes when the claim was set-up. They said the agen should not have set up policies on some of the items that the claim was filed for. He got payed but it was five years and a lot of B.S. I would be very careful when it comes to insurance.

[Dave C]

Maybe you are reading too much into this. Just trying to help a brother out. I never said you couldn't afford it. :yuk:
if you get it by the underwriter (not your agent) then you scored a touchdown. Pay the premium in full.
I would worry that they don't ask for H.P. and speed. Thats standard for underwriting Something is a miss there! If these two numbers are "embellished" then the boat is not insured.
Insurance is a such rackeet on these damn things!
I just hung up with Allstate and an 04 AO with the 500 Merc was $760 a year and he said he will be able to do better than that once we break out the paperwork. I asked him about horsepower ratings and blowers and he said dont worry, there is no box to check on my form for a blower.
It sounds like every kid in town wants a 100mph rig "in the land of sunshine".
So many idiots out there with more money than sense no wonder you guys have to pay out the azz for insurance. We are still on the "Good ole boy" network here in the SEC....Thank the Lord.

[Jordy]

Well, thank you Jordy! I must be! Because I have received 12 Pm's from members giving their opinions on these hulls.....thanks guys! One thing that is funny though all but one of them mention how big of a jerk you are...not just behind a keyboard but in person as well. You are the man or some sort of!!! and everyone knows it!! Cheers Mate
Now, get the F out of my thread.
Good thing I don't spend alot of time worrying about what people on an internet forum think about me huh??? :notam:
It's funny, I just read back through this thread and there were lots of helpful suggestions made, not only by myself, but by others, and you just decided to be a dick about it. Funny that you claim to have gotten all kinds of pm's about me. I've done nothing but try and be helpful in this thread, before you got in over your head on something. Oh well, I tried. As I said before, good luck with whatever you end up with. I just hope someday I can be as cool as you, that is, show up and ask for help and opinions and then be a real ass when they're given by people trying to help. Karma is a bitch. Good luck with all that. ;)
As far as insurance goes I would not trust the quote you got from Allstate.
Dammit, stop with the insurance bit, he's got it all figured out. :rolleyes: :D

[Jrocket]

What a joke!

[Charley]

Well ..... I Vote for the 3rd eliminator pic in sayres post (it's my buddy's) for 55k it's a pretty fair deal...running a close second would be Drew Downs 26 AO... great bottom/hull timeless graphics and a clean choice also..... HTM's could possibly suit your needs but if you plan on a 100+ mph boat I would definitely stick with the SS model it's counterpart teh "SR model" seems to make the worst of additional weight and it's slightly "top heavy" tendencies

[Havasu Hangin']

...all but one of them mention how big of a jerk you are...not just behind a keyboard but in person as well. You are the man or some sort of!!! and everyone knows it!!
Did anyone mention anything about me? :idea:

[Charley]

I wanted to but I figured you would beat me up next time we played golf

[Havasu Hangin']

I wanted to but I figured you would beat me up next time we played golf
You started it. :cry:

[Charley]

and you finished it.... by the way... being the big man in the group you must have outdriven everyone huh? :D

[Havasu Hangin']

and you finished it.... by the way... being the big man in the group you must have outdriven everyone huh? :D
The only thing I'm gonna work on driving is my golf shoe into your ass... :hammerhea

[Charley]

The only thing I'm gonna work on driving is my golf shoe into your ass... :hammerhea
ThTop it yer turning me on

[Havasu Hangin']

ThTop it yer turning me on
Maybe your defination of a "hole in one" is different than mine...http://www.highperformancecars.com/hhangin/gay.gif
:supp:

[JMC]

for throwing in your 2 cents Charlie. Your buddies Elim. really is a great looking rig. Im looking forward to getting more info from Keith on all three of these. Your right about Drews boat, very clean. Thanks for chiming in!

[Eliminator 4 Life]

Well ..... I Vote for the 3rd eliminator pic in sayres post (it's my buddy's) for 55k it's a pretty fair deal...running a close second would be Drew Downs 26 AO... great bottom/hull timeless graphics and a clean choice also..... HTM's could possibly suit your needs but if you plan on a 100+ mph boat I would definitely stick with the SS model it's counterpart teh "SR model" seems to make the worst of additional weight and it's slightly "top heavy" tendencies
Well I would have to agree with Charley on this one this is a first for us since we dont see eye to eye :) That eliminator is a good looking boat

[NOTALENT]

Well I would have to agree with Charley on this one this is a first for us since we dont see eye to eye :) That eliminator is a good looking boat
Keep you opinon's to yourself... :D there over rated... :wink:

[Reaper1]

Maybe we should just refer to you as Mr. Teague jr.(considering your vast experience) BUT as for myself, I don't want to be anywhere on the same body of water with a fr*ckin newbie in a 110 mph cat of any sort being driven by a turkey with no cat experience who thinks he has insurance!
So I guess you don't boat at Havasu? :p
JMC - Buy Drew Downz boat. I can personally vouch for it and your Grandma could drive it 100mph no problem ( if she's properly insured ) :rolleyes:
Problem Solved

[JMC]

Jordy was just tryin to be helpful with 'TFNG" on the boards so don't git your panties in a wad. NOBODY knows about all of your vast experience in the world of 'high performance boating' so forgive all if they don't give you the credit that you feel you're entitled to. Personally, I think you're 'huntin for snipe' if you think you're gonna find a boat 'under 7 years old' for less than $50,000 that'll do 110 mph that's not beat to hell and seen some hard use-meaning- that you'll have to fork over a substantial amount of your personal fortune to get it in the shape it should be. JMHO.
I guess your trying to be helpfull as well Riodog?
I have seen quite a few 105 -110 mph rigs that can be had in the 50k range that appear quite nice. And yes, some of them are newer than 7 years.
As far as my VAST experience in Hp boating... well I guess it depends on what YOU call a hp boat. I can say that I have been running over 100 mph since 1990 in various outboard drag hulls. I have always had an STV or Allison hull. I wouldnt going to say Im Mr. Teague Jr. but since you did I guess I should thank you for poping that off. I can say that if you can climb into a 700lb. Ally hull and run it over a hundred you are a decent driver. I can also say that just about any blow hard in the country can sit down in a stern drive (Tub) Tunnel or Cat and can run it to 95% of its limits in just a few passes.
Now Rio, I dont know anything about you and Im not going to start poping short bursts at you . If you will read my thread from the beginning you will see that I have been nothing but cordial to all of the peeps here that have been nice to me. You see, I treat people the way they treat me and now your first post that you offer is basically nothing but a "Im gonna save my buddy by calling names and slinging mud post".
Just because I am a newb to this site doesnt mean Im subject to you or your cronies BS. And as far as insurance goes, my man doesnt really give a chit what I buy as long as he keeps my personal and business fleet policies.
Rio, if you have any real substance to bring to this thread....great! If not. climb down in the hole with your buddy or get out.

[Jordy]

If not. climb down in the hole with your buddy or get out.
Who is in a hole around here??? :D :notam: :rolleyes:

[Jordy]

Hey JMC, all kidding aside, I found the perfect boat for you. It runs 130 and is in your price range. I'd jump on it if I were you. Shouldn't be a problem getting insured either. ;)
JMC's new boat (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Syndicate-19ft-Flat-bottom-V-Drive-with-Chevy-454_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ31270QQitemZ4576302 487QQrdZ1)

[Reaper1]

Reaper 1,
I haven't been on Havazoo 5 times in the past 15 or so years as it started going to hell about that time (imho). I just stay down south of Parker where it's a bunch more laid back and family oriented. Not into the sex, drugs, and rap and punk !
Rio
I'm still into Sex,drugs and Snoop D O Double G but it is getting a little out of hand. :cool:

[Jordy]

(originally in a PM sent to Rio by JMC) Your little buddy Jordy has been a smart ass from the get go and has done nothing but basically call me a liar about insurance rates.
Puff, puff, pass. I love this guy and want some of whatever he has been smoking. :notam:

[ELIMINAT THIS]

[QUOTE=riodog]
Not into the sex !
That begs the ? is your wife. :idea: :D

[JMC]

I pm'd you (Rio) to try and keep this crap out of the thread out of respect for this site, obviously you dont see that. You must enjoy bickering behind a keyboard as a few others do. I really dont.
Most of us won't tolerate your kind of garbage until you've been around a while
To make a statement like this (Rio) shows that you and a few others put yourself on a higher level than the rest of us here. I will say this, you are no better than I or anyone else at this site.
I do apologize to all the mods here for such an ugly thread but I dont offer one for defending myself from people like you....FRIEND
Since my grammer is so bad maybe I could just pm my posts to you so you could proof read them for me. You would have a little value to me then.
Have a great life! Friend

[ELIMINAT THIS]

I pm'd you (Rio) to try and keep this crap out of the thread out of respect for this site, obviously you dont see that. You must enjoy bickering behind a keyboard as a few others do. I really dont.
To make a statement like this (Rio) shows that you and a few others put yourself on a higher level than the rest of us here. I will say this, you are no better than I or anyone else at this site.
I do apologize to all the mods here for such an ugly thread but I dont offer one for defending myself from people like you....FRIEND
Since my grammer is so bad maybe I could just pm my posts to you so you could proof read them for me. You would have a little value to me then.
Have a great life! Friend
JMC, You came in with a bad attitude. That is the only problem here. :yuk:

[JMC]

Show me where!

[Deano]

I dont post here much but I do lurk and read everyday.
JMC, you are a fukin idiot.
You ask for opinions and when you get them, you take it as some sort of bashing. You are taking the advise and turning it around so your nutless self can get off by being on the defensive.
Does your wife beat you up frequently? I dont know who you are and I really dont care. Good luck with your (under) 50k purchase. What a fukin joke. By you looking for a boat like that, all the people here, including me, would think that a high insurance rate would be a problem for your big balling self to afford.
I am really enjoying reading all this bullshit though, it makes my day go by way faster. Thank you ;)

[ELIMINAT THIS]

I appreciate your concern Jordy but your statement doesnt make much sense.....Unless A. You were gonna finance the boat for the rest of your life....B. You only had 20% to put down or C. You were actually trying to insure a 43' Nor-Tech........:)
Seriously though, If you have experience or have ridden in any of these hulls and are able to give a personal preference........Lay it on me!
That is a sweet AO Goodtimes...If it could be had under 50k it would be a deal. That Daytona also is nice but I wouldn't pay 68K for anything thats going on 7 years period.
First attempt at being a smart ass.

[ELIMINAT THIS]

Well Gordy, I dont see how 50% down and 200 bucks a month pays off anything in a hurry.....$2400.00 a year? Were you talking a 10 year note? Is 10 years a hurry? You have to shorten the life of that note to make your insurance to look cheap:)
Anyhow, thanks for reminding me how we pay way too much for ALL our insurance policies.
Now, do you have any actual input on these hulls????
Second time and only get better from here. Jordy just mentioned to you (some one that has never owened a cat) how hard it is to get insurance on a boat like that and you fly of the handle and act like a total Arse. JMHO

[Jordy]

Jordy, your quote didn't come out quite right. I would never call you a liar cuz you're 'my lil buddie', LOLLL.
Shh. Don't tell anyone about our plan to dominate the internet by using our friendship. ;)
I'll go back and edit it to reflect that it actually came from the PM, just to make it clear when we're looking back and laughing at this thread a year or so from now. :D :D :D
I do think that JMC should write a book based on his experiences here. He can call it "How to not to make friends while looking like a total idiot in 20 posts or less." :notam:

[JMC]

I dont post here much but I do lurk and read everyday.
JMC, you are a fukin idiot.
You ask for opinions and when you get them, you take it as some sort of bashing. You are taking the advise and turning it around so your nutless self can get off by being on the defensive.
Does your wife beat you up frequently? I dont know who you are and I really dont care. Good luck with your (under) 50k purchase. What a fukin joke. By you looking for a boat like that, all the people here, including me, would think that a high insurance rate would be a problem for your big balling self to afford.
I am really enjoying reading all this bullshit though, it makes my day go by way faster. Thank you ;)
Yeah, I can tell your enjoying this DEANO. Ahhh....your the one with charm and brains....hehe! You, like the rest of your "huddle" has not brought anything to the table other than criticism. You guys are like a pack of wolves...you have to keep your strength in numbers. As far as 110mph boats under 50k..... they are out there. If you would look you would find them. I have already posted a couple of links that show this. Hell there is even a 25' Cat being advertised with a little Turbine in it for 55k.
You guys keep bringing up "Big Balling", "Mr. Bitchen" and all this crap. I have never come across as having big money...heck, Im looking for a budget Cat that someone NEEDS to sell. Im not going to leverage my ass to the hilt and say "well insurance payments are more than my 200 buck a month payment 'cause I financed it for 20 years..... blah,blah.....sound familiar?
Im paying cash suckers!
I do think that JMC should write a book based on his experiences here. He can call it "How to not to make friends while looking like a total idiot in 20 posts or less."
And my dear Jordy. I will make sure to send you a photo of my new Cat AND my insurance premium when its all said and done just to show you that your "mad at the world little self" is wrong. One more thing, If you didnt keep company with such idiots or act the way you do, you may have just pulled off that boat that you were dreaming for. Hmmm
Anyway, I'm getting a little tired and embarased of fighting four boys at once. I should have known I would have to put up with a bunch of BS from you kiddo's....next time I will bring a big box bubble gum to shut you the hell up. You guys have a great life!
Many thanks to all that have helped me in this ugly thread. I really appreciate it.

[Deano]

oh, one more thing....
as posted by others; The A/O is a solid boat and you cant go wrong there.
The daytona is as well and you will get better numbers out of it with the same hp. I wouldnt buy a HTM unless you like leaning to the outside of turns. Its kinda hard to hold your beer in one hand, steer with the other, and try to stop your cooler from flying out of the boat while in a turn.
good luck to you. I hope you do find insurance for whatever you purchase and it as affordable as you want it to be.
as far as the "im paying cash suckers" comment. I think that just shows how ignorant you are and a bad investment type of person. :idea: LOL

[Jordy]

And my dear Jordy. I will make sure to send you a photo of my new Cat AND my insurance premium when its all said and done just to show you that your "mad at the world little self" is wrong.
Great. I'll be sitting on pins and needles eagerly awaiting your next response. :notam:
I have no idea where you get a mad at the world deal as you know nothing about me. I tried to help. You didn't want it. So good luck with whatever you try to do. Based upon your responses in this thread, I'd say you're the angry one. Did mommy not love you enough??? :rolleyes:
One more thing, If you didnt keep company with such idiots or act the way you do, you may have just pulled off that boat that you were dreaming for. Hmmm
See the "you know nothing about me comment above." I said that I was looking at 25' and 26'er's but didn't go that route for problems that don't matter to you, mainly insane insurance premiums and uninsurable boats. Instead I just went bigger and now have something I can do more with than just play in the lake. :notam:
I'm a little confused about how who I hang around with would have anything to do with what boat I ended up with either. Lost me on that one. I'm sure it was just another one of your feeble attempts at sarcasm/humor. Oh well, apparently you're just too clever with your quick wit for me to understand it. :( :notam:
p.s. The boat that I did buy, it runs the speeds that you're dreaming of too. ;)

[Wmc]

In the market for a Cat in the 24 to 26 foot range. I dont have any real time experience with any of these hulls. Leaning towards the AO 26 or HTM SR 24. Can anyone give me their thoughts on how the hulls compare in big water? Any comments or first hand experience is greatly appreciated. THANKS
I have a 1997 SR 24 HTM for sale $47,000 goes 100 mph. PM for more details. Here are some pics.
http://www2.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/2683htm2-med.bmp
http://www2.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/2683IMG_0392-med.JPG
http://www2.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/2683IMG_0394-med.JPG

[nobling]

oh, one more thing....
as posted by others; The A/O is a solid boat and you cant go wrong there.
The daytona is as well and you will get better numbers out of it with the same hp. I wouldnt buy a HTM unless you like leaning to the outside of turns. Its kinda hard to hold your beer in one hand, steer with the other, and try to stop your cooler from flying out of the boat while in a turn.
good luck to you. I hope you do find insurance for whatever you purchase and it as affordable as you want it to be.
as far as the "im paying cash suckers" comment. I think that just shows how ignorant you are and a bad investment type of person. :idea: LOL
So mr. Beer drinking, boat driving stud do tell me about the problem with your trying to turn that HTM you know so much about. Oh That beer your drinking probably has alot to do with it!!!! Dont tell me that you also had your kids and wife in the boat as well. "Get A Clue or More GLUE"..
By the way ive owned an HTM for 3yrs and yes it takes seat time to drive one of these, so its either you cant drive or the boat you rode in that dude needs more boating 101.but you will not find a flaw in this boat and has been hands down a great family hot rod. Tons of room for the size, and theres not another boat simalar size thats normally assper. that could out excellerate or even come close to the top speed dollar for dollar. :yuk: Im sure that BB572 is going to quote me, but im prepared to help him with his hate for my kind.(With the help of jackpunx you will over come). :rollside: And one last thing there are board members that will atest to being haters or HTM sh*t talkers that have changed there view after going out or driving my boat.
TO EACH IS OWN.
Its about having a good time not about my sh*ts better than yours.
BOAT SHOPPER do your home work and get what fits your needs not what your friends think you need. Please dont take out that 110 mph boat you find and take it over 80mph till you know what your doing,I like all the people that i meet at the river and i wouldnt want you or anybody to get hurt.
Love always,"Kinda Fast Eddie" :D

[Sandbar Mike]

I wouldnt buy a HTM unless you like leaning to the outside of turns. Its kinda hard to hold your beer in one hand, steer with the other, and try to stop your cooler from flying out of the boat while in a turn.
Nobling, I think this is his personal opinion! Deano I will say that is funny as hell I'm LMAO.
HTM is a good boat, I personally wouldn't want to run faster than 70 in one though, especially if it 2-3ft chop out.
Just personal preference/opinion
(though thats were experienced driving comes in!)
Why is everybody getting there feelings hurt so easy around here, Winter hasn't even hit yet.

[Havasu Hangin']

...tolerate your kind of garbage until you've been around a while, you know, sorta like Jordy or myself, Tom B., Kimberly, Mikey, and let us not forget HH.
Two questions:
1. Do you guys "tolorate my garbage" only because I've been around here awhile?
2. How do I keep getting draged into this?
:D

[DrewDown]

oh, one more thing....
as posted by others; The A/O is a solid boat and you cant go wrong there.
The daytona is as well and you will get better numbers out of it with the same hp.
Your high and I'll take the challenge anytime.

[prosthogod]

oh, one more thing....
as posted by others; The A/O is a solid boat and you cant go wrong there.
The daytona is as well and you will get better numbers out of it with the same hp. I wouldnt buy a HTM unless you like leaning to the outside of turns. Its kinda hard to hold your beer in one hand, steer with the other, and try to stop your cooler from flying out of the boat while in a turn.
good luck to you. I hope you do find insurance for whatever you purchase and it as affordable as you want it to be.
as far as the "im paying cash suckers" comment. I think that just shows how ignorant you are and a bad investment type of person. :idea: LOL
So your one of the a**holes out there that everyone on these boards cusses and ridicules weekly drinking and driving and putting us all in danger! :hammer2:
(oh ya=HTM owner)

[Deano]

Dont tell me that you also had your kids and wife in the boat as well. "Get A Clue or More GLUE"..
Yep..the wife holds the beer bong in my mouth while the kids hold the wheel and throttle. :D
all in fun my friend....relax. I consider myself one of the safest boaters out there.

[plaster dave]

So mr. Beer drinking, boat driving stud do tell me about the problem with your trying to turn that HTM you know so much about. Oh That beer your drinking probably has alot to do with it!!!! Dont tell me that you also had your kids and wife in the boat as well. "Get A Clue or More GLUE"..
By the way ive owned an HTM for 3yrs and yes it takes seat time to drive one of these, so its either you cant drive or the boat you rode in that dude needs more boating 101.but you will not find a flaw in this boat and has been hands down a great family hot rod. Tons of room for the size, and theres not another boat simalar size thats normally assper. that could out excellerate or even come close to the top speed dollar for dollar. :yuk: Im sure that BB572 is going to quote me, but im prepared to help him with his hate for my kind.(With the help of jackpunx you will over come). :rollside: And one last thing there are board members that will atest to being haters or HTM sh*t talkers that have changed there view after going out or driving my boat.
TO EACH IS OWN.
Its about having a good time not about my sh*ts better than yours.
BOAT SHOPPER do your home work and get what fits your needs not what your friends think you need. Please dont take out that 110 mph boat you find and take it over 80mph till you know what your doing,I like all the people that i meet at the river and i wouldnt want you or anybody to get hurt.
Love always,"Kinda Fast Eddie" :D
I thought I would show how proud you are of your HTM. Its all in fun.
http://www2.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/1721014_12A.JPG
:D

[JPA]

Hey Keith,
Is the first 25 Daytona in your post the boat that Imco's Fred Jr. and Dustin Whipple put together....it had as I recall one of the first twin screw supercargers I had ever saw. I believe it was a project boat for both of them to test the speeds that could be achieved. The one I remember ran 119 or 120. Cool Boat
JPA

[Charley]

Deano... this is a great thread for you man.... get out that politicians suit and you come alive ;) Im glad to see you are not after HH's moderators seat anymore and you plan to share...lol..... dont mind drew down... his boat is slow and so is he..... he claims to be a fast mover but if he is in the UNION.... he aint fast.... btw loser(DD) you never called about the truss!
PS I am not sure if the SS-24 is an outside leaner or not but when people that own boats start justifying it by saying "you just need some seat time to get used to it" well it just sounds like they made your point for you :idea:

[Reaper1]

I've ridden in nobling's HTM when it was owned by Tom Slick and he drove it like AJ Foyt. It leaned in at 90+ ;)

[Deano]

Deano... this is a great thread for you man.... get out that politicians suit and you come alive
wrong Deano...
By the way ive owned an HTM for 3yrs and yes it takes seat time to drive one of these, so its either you cant drive or the boat you rode in that dude needs more boating 101.but you will not find a flaw in this boat
nuff said ;)
I used to defend my boat manufacturer everytime someone bashed em until I started to see the light and stopped swinging on their nuts . I love my boat and Im sure you love yours...atleast we are on the water and having a good time. thats all that matters to me. Just be careful doing triple digits in it.

[JMC]

Thanks for the input Shock....believe or not Im really a nice guy.
I have read my my initial response to Jordy and it was a little cocky and thats really something that I am not.....believe it or not and to Jordy "My bad". Since then I have been searching on these hulls at this site and have seen a couple of threads of him preaching and preaching and preaching to people about insurance rates ...so there must be a pattern there. I didnt ask for this...... All I asked for was input on the hulls and that is the very least amount of info that is in this thread. Now I do appreciate Jordy's info on insurance rates.
I, for one, would not reply to you because you only seem to appreciate a replies to your liking.
Now Bob, I dont care who beats up any of these hulls....thats why I started this thread. I just wanted basic seat time experience that some folks would share. I didnt want a war. As far as insurance goes...I have been doing business with the same man for 22 years. He personally told me to go buy what I want and he will handle it....besides there are many people here that are getting better rates than he offered me!....gotta talk to him about that! So can we please drop the insurance bit for good guys.
HERE! I am offering "Ozark mountain peace pipe" to anyone that wants to have a seat and say "forget about it". EVERYONE have a great weekend!

[Keith E. Sayre]

I think it's safe to say that the man stood up and said sorry if I was a bit rough. Frankly, that's good enough for me. And I believe you, I'll bet that you are a nice guy. I also know Deano and Jordy and they're good guys
also and would do anything for you. For that matter, most of the people on
this site are good people. But now back to boating.
JPA--yes that is the same boat that you described. It now lives at Table Rock Lake in Branson Missouri. That photo was actually taken in their back
yard! I sold it to them about 4 years ago. Now they want a deckboat!
Nicest people in the world and the boat is still mint. Big Imco Box on back
with Imco drive, Autometer gauges, foot throttle, blown 572 incher that is
fresh, I drove it 2 weekends ago in the heat and with 3 of us in it, it showed
a little better than 110 mph on the GPS. The rigging is killer on that boat.
Keep the faith you guys.
Keith Sayre
Conquest Boats
928-680-1400

[JLaughreySS24]

For the record, the HTM leans into the turn!! Ive owned both the SR and currently the SS. Both lean into the turns. Does the boat handle different than others?? Yes, it does. Does it mean that it is not safe?? No it doesnt. Would you get on a motorcycle, drive down the freeway going a 100 mph and then turn the handle bars to change lanes???? Above all then claim that it was the manufacturs fault and say that the bike doesnt handle properly. And then of course say that you will never ride that manufacturs bike cause its crazy dangerous!!
Also for the record, anyone that has had problems driving the HTM have all admitted to driver error. Just because it handles different doesnt mean its not safe!!! Going fast in any boat shit can happen!!! If any of us on these boards think going 140 mph or so in anything is full proof think again!!! You take a chance each time you go that fast in any boat period!!!

[nobling]

I thought I would show how proud you are of your HTM. Its all in fun.
http://www2.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/1721014_12A.JPG
:D
Dave why,why,why do you have to go there! Thats a perfect day to use for an example. It was beach the small boat or put my family at risk, and Im sure people that were at havi last year on that day know what it was like. So instead I had tooooo many cocktails cheese and crackers waiting for the storm to go on by..
ITS ALL GOOD!!!!!!!!!

[plaster dave]

Ya but it is still FUNNY.

[rock hard]

06 25 daytona icc no power bravo drive 60k. 253-606-2816 joe

[FREIND OF AA AND TA]

So mr. Beer drinking, boat driving stud do tell me about the problem with your trying to turn that HTM you know so much about. Oh That beer your drinking probably has alot to do with it!!!! Dont tell me that you also had your kids and wife in the boat as well. "Get A Clue or More GLUE"..
By the way ive owned an HTM for 3yrs and yes it takes seat time to drive one of these, so its either you cant drive or the boat you rode in that dude needs more boating 101.but you will not find a flaw in this boat and has been hands down a great family hot rod. Tons of room for the size, and theres not another boat simalar size thats normally assper. that could out excellerate or even come close to the top speed dollar for dollar. :yuk: Im sure that BB572 is going to quote me, but im prepared to help him with his hate for my kind.(With the help of jackpunx you will over come). :rollside: And one last thing there are board members that will atest to being haters or HTM sh*t talkers that have changed there view after going out or driving my boat.
TO EACH IS OWN.
Its about having a good time not about my sh*ts better than yours.
BOAT SHOPPER do your home work and get what fits your needs not what your friends think you need. Please dont take out that 110 mph boat you find and take it over 80mph till you know what your doing,I like all the people that i meet at the river and i wouldnt want you or anybody to get hurt.
Love always,"Kinda Fast Eddie" :D
Did Wendy write this??

[sxpilot]

:idea:

[WETTE VETTE]

A buddy of mine had a bad year and wants out. He has an 01 26' AO with a Bravo 1 xz sportmaster lower. His motor is new with 4 hrs on it. It has something wrong with it, and he is just wanting out. He is talking about getting something with outboards or something completely turn key. It is an 8.4:1 509 with a littlefield 8-71. It has Brodix aluminum heads, a new super chiller, lightning headers, hydraulic roller cam, etc. He blew the motor earlier this season and just had the motor completely rebuilt. That consists of a new crank, rods, pistons, lifters, valves, bearings etc. He has receipts for the recent rebuild. After only 4 hrs of running the motor lost oil pressure. It isn't knocking and the filter is clean when cut open. The oil temp never came up and he saw the gauge go to zero and cut the power immediately. We put a new guage and sender in and verified that the pressure is off. It could be the pick-up cracked or broke off or???? The boat is in decent shape needing only some minor cosmetic detailing and a good cleaning. He is looking for $35,000. With this mill it should do 105+. More details are available upon request.
Craig

[tbanzer]

Any pics, Where is the boat located?

[WETTE VETTE]

For some reason it won't let me upload the pics. The boat is in N. Indiana. Get me your email and I will send them to ya. I took a dozen or so photos this past weekend.
Craig

[acatitude]

well jmc let me put my 2 cents in as everyone else has. If it was me i would look real hard at that 02 howard . AO the best rough water boat???? NOT ive had a 26 AO. piece of crap. I have a howard 26 cat that takes big water like it was made for it, water I would never had driven the AO in. the howard is better built heavy better laid up, just 100% higher quality and with good power it will run hard and fast .......... I can already see the shit comin, but I would look real close aqt that howard. yea im a little prejuduce but I wouldnt sell my howard for any AO or 25/26 eliminater althgough elim is a great boat also. 2nd to howard lol

[acatitude]

hey drew down if you got insurance on your ao for 675 a year i hope for your sake you never have a claim. or give me his number. thats un heard of

[JMC]

well jmc let me put my 2 cents
Thanks for the input Blowncarrera. I have heard the Howard is hard to beat in constuction. Im still stuck on the HTM's. I like the depth and additional room. There are definately alot of Cats in the 25 -26' foot range out there right now.

[FASTERDAMITT]

well jmc let me put my 2 cents in as everyone else has. If it was me i would look real hard at that 02 howard . AO the best rough water boat???? NOT ive had a 26 AO. piece of crap. I have a howard 26 cat that takes big water like it was made for it, water I would never had driven the AO in. the howard is better built heavy better laid up, just 100% higher quality and with good power it will run hard and fast .......... I can already see the shit comin, but I would look real close aqt that howard. yea im a little prejuduce but I wouldnt sell my howard for any AO or 25/26 eliminater althgough elim is a great boat also. 2nd to howard lol
I wouldn't sell your Howard for an A/O either. Especially since Howard pretty much copied the A/O and must have done some very expensive improvements. Any boat built heavier will sound more solid, but is it really a necessity? I don't ever remember getting whipped by a Howard or Daytona of same size/equal power in big water in my A/O. (Maybe I got lucky) Yes Howards are nice, however some people will go 100+ in rough water for $60,000 less tied up in a depreciating investment of the same mold. And some won't be happy unless they think they have the best. Cheers to both! :wink: [A piece of crap?]

[DrewDown]

I wouldn't sell your Howard for an A/O either. Especially since Howard pretty much copied the A/O and must have done some very expensive improvements. Any boat built heavier will sound more solid, but is it really a necessity? I don't ever remember getting whipped by a Howard or Daytona of same size/equal power in big water in my A/O. (Maybe I got lucky) Yes Howards are nice, however some people will go 100+ in rough water for $60,000 less tied up in a depreciating investment of the same mold. And some won't be happy unless they think they have the best. Cheers to both! :wink: [A piece of crap?]
What he said.
Blown Carrera, your just pissed because you bought a hunk of shit AO. Why did you buy a hunk of shit? You couldnt tell while looking it over before purchasing it?

[acatitude]

well I knew the shit was coming. Was just giving jmc some more thought to ponder and your right that AO was a piece of shit, my bad, I agree, but I unloaded it and yes some of the older AO's are awesome rides but I wouldnt have a newer one with all the crap they have gone thru and I got stuck in the middle of it. lesson learned.
BUt having both I know the howard rides better and takes bigger water and will have a better resale.
So ok you buy a AO on the cheap, well youll sell it on the cheap also. They are all depreciating assetts, but howard, eliminater skater will all bring more resale and I think you should look at that when you buy a boat( remember the 2 happiest days routine).
well you guys all have a great day and DRew why dont you bring your AO up here on hooky day Oct 14, we would love to show you some of the delta and play a little with that bad ass AO. Mines just a little grocery getter but its fun, and fasterdamit I can also say ive never been beat by an AO in any kind of water. Of course havent raced one, lol, but maybe drew can fix that, I hear him tell how fast his AO is, bring it up . oh boy now ive done it , and fasterdamit I liked your AO. I remember seeing pics of it on here.

[acatitude]

JMC, remember the HTM is only 24 ft not 26 and will make a difference in ride and size of water you will be comfy in, but HTM is a good boat also.

[Dave C]

DAMNNN!, Al,
did you just call them out !! ..... :supp: :supp: LMAO
dang... I'm going to hooky day for sure now! :D :D
at least we can have some entertainment while we wait for RIM to get off the trailer! LOL

[Reaper1]

blowncarrera - what are you running in your Howard?

[Dave C]

its bone stock ;) ;) ;)....... LOL
there is nothing, I repeat, nothing under the hood! ;)
heck I don't think the guy can even turn a wrench...... :supp: ;)

[FASTERDAMITT]

Bought my A/O in 1997 for $41k. Upgraded the heads (1500.) and turned up the boost on the ProCharger. Played with it for over 6 years. Sold it for $41k in 2004. What kind of resale value did I recieve? Chit, I'd do that again! :D

[acatitude]

fasterdammitt, you made out on that AO, but like I said that was a very nice boat.
Reaper we would love to have some of you socal boys come join us for hooky day on the 14th. Your all invited. We also have some good running cats up here, although mine is just a grocery getter, I"m sure we can find someone to run Drews AO.
Reaper its called run what ya brung come and join us. The delta is a blast and I believe we have about 26 boats of various types going, we even let the whackers come(lol) there I go again. come on up

[JMC]

JMC, remember the HTM is only 24 ft not 26 and will make a difference in ride and size of water you will be comfy in, but HTM is a good boat also
24' is probably as big as I need. Down here in the south not quite as many boaters out on the "playground". Im used to getting beat up in a little 20' Allison hull so 24' and up will seem like a cruiser to me :) Im going to check out Chuck W's SS 24 this week.....Lord rest his soul.

[Dave C]

grocery getter LOL :rollside: :devil: :D

[Reaper1]

fasterdammitt, you made out on that AO, but like I said that was a very nice boat.
Reaper we would love to have some of you socal boys come join us for hooky day on the 14th. Your all invited. We also have some good running cats up here, although mine is just a grocery getter, I"m sure we can find someone to run Drews AO.
Reaper its called run what ya brung come and join us. The delta is a blast and I believe we have about 26 boats of various types going, we even let the whackers come(lol) there I go again. come on up
blown - I would love to come up to the Delta and hang out with you folks. My best friend lives up in Stockton and he has been begging me and DrewDown for 3 years to come up and play. If I didn't have 1 month old twin baby girls I would be there on the 14th. I'm sure you guys will have a great time and I plan on getting out there next season. :cool:
I've seen Drew wax a lot of people in his AO and it wasn't because he had more HP than them, it was becasue he had bigger balls. :wink:

[acatitude]

hey Reap then you need to figure out how to get up here and see your buddy. let me know and we will go out. the delta is a lot of fun.
I wouldnt mind letting Drew wax my boat , but not with grungy big balls. id prefer he use a buffer and a good wax. let me know when he's available :hammerhea :D

[DrewDown]

BC, thanks for the invite but I already signed up for a little reggata/poker run in havasu that weekend. But like Reaper said we have some friends up there we need to visit so we will have to get up there. When we put a trip together we'll get in touch with you. One more thing, I never said my boat was fast.

[acatitude]

well good let us know when your coming up this way. Stockton is real close. bring your wax and buffer j/k :D

[Reaper1]

hey Reap then you need to figure out how to get up here and see your buddy. let me know and we will go out. the delta is a lot of fun.
I wouldnt mind letting Drew wax my boat , but not with grungy big balls. id prefer he use a buffer and a good wax. let me know when he's available :hammerhea :D
LOL! ;)

[Charley]

Only race I recall ever losing in my Mach26 with 850hp was to a AO26 with 900HP .... It was very close, but he definitely had me.... I gave the guy a "good job" back at the dock and my wife and I ended up hanging out with the couple the rest of the afternoon at Roadrunner.....AO's are plenty fast!

[Dave C]

well thats a DCB, now wonder you lost with all the extra weight on it! ;) ;)
Only race I recall ever losing in my Mach26 with 850hp was to a AO26 with 900HP .... It was very close, but he definitely had me.... I gave the guy a "good job" back at the dock and my wife and I ended up hanging out with the couple the rest of the afternoon at Roadrunner.....AO's are plenty fast!

[Reaper1]

Charley - Did you give him a "good job" or a "good game" :D

[Dave C]

or a pat on the behind.... like the ball players do! ;)

[Charley]

I did all of that and alot more....

[JLaughreySS24]

Chucks SS was very nice the last time I saw it!! What price range were you looking around??

[acatitude]

Only race I recall ever losing in my Mach26 with 850hp was to a AO26 with 900HP .... It was very close, but he definitely had me.... I gave the guy a "good job" back at the dock and my wife and I ended up hanging out with the couple the rest of the afternoon at Roadrunner.....AO's are plenty fast!
WEll The good thing about me having altimers is I cant ever recall losing. those just get lost in the windmills of my mind :D :D :D

[Charley]

Windmills? what an airhead :D

[acatitude]

you got it good wind air I cant remember lol

[JMC]

Chucks SS was very nice the last time I saw it!! What price range were you looking around??
It was in really great shape to be an '01. Just having 46 hours on it was a bonus as well. The acceleration was insane! 70-110 mph was just as matter of a few seconds.....130 should be obtainable but I didnt want to rattle the better half. Shoot what am I saying...I was rattled! 1000 horses in your back seat is a real experience. Many thanks to Mark and the whole crew at Semper Marine in Fresno, a great bunch of guys. Im hoping to take delivery by this weekend.
Also, just wanted to say thanks directly to Keith at Conquest and to all of the individuals on the board that took the time to send photos and info on their boats they were offering.

[dicudmore]

It was in really great shape to be an '01. Just having 46 hours on it was a bonus as well. The acceleration was insane! 70-110 mph was just as matter of a few seconds.....130 should be obtainable but I didnt want to rattle the better half. Shoot what am I saying...I was rattled! 1000 horses in your back seat is a real experience. Many thanks to Mark and the whole crew at Semper Marine in Fresno, a great bunch of guys. Im hoping to take delivery by this weekend.
Also, just wanted to say thanks directly to Keith at Conquest and to all of the individuals on the board that took the time to send photos and info on their boats they were offering.
sounds like a fun ride...good luck to you and your new toy :D