Bravo 1 Drive Shower ?

[Hammer]

I have a 98 Baja Hammer with a Bravo 1 and my drive is running a bit hot so IÂ’m looking at putting on a drive shower. Does anyone have suggestions?
The SIMREK Halo has some great write ups. However, Teague said they break and bend easy. He suggested that I go with the TCM. Any advice out there?

[Party Cat]

I've had a Simrek for close to 5 years...no bending, breaking or problems with it :)

[bigkyle]

I had a Halo installed on my Bravo 1 two seasons ago. No complaints. Had some running shots taken during last year's Advantage Boats regatta and the photos from behind the boat evidenced the volume of water through the Halo. Photos of other boats with different types of showers were not nearly as impressive.

[Beer-30]

I put on the usual "hat" type. I thought it looked better than the rest and I see a lot of them on serious performance machines. Plus, people can step on it if they wish. It was around $110. My dog approves of it also. No more film on sides of drive.
http://www2.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/2433TransomSM.jpg
Rex has this new version without the bolts on top. Nice clean look.
http://shopping.rexmar.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/456137-1.jpg

[vette4jja]

Just Wicked Marine has just designed a drive shower that out performs the Simrek showers. They guarantee their results. You can get them in colors. Check them out at:
www.justwickedmarine.com

[Jyruiz]

I put on the usual "hat" type. I thought it looked better than the rest and I see a lot of them on serious performance machines. Plus, people can step on it if they wish. It was around $110. My dog approves of it also. No more film on sides of drive.
http://www2.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/2433TransomSM.jpg
Rex has this new version without the bolts on top. Nice clean look.
http://shopping.rexmar.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/456137-1.jpg
Where did you get that drive shower, I want to get one myself and like the idea that you can step on it in case you have to.

[plaster dave]

It says Rex marine in the photo so I guess try them.

[Havasu_Dreamin]

Rex Marine Drive Shower (http://shopping.rexmar.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=driveshower-itscool)

[Beer-30]

Or, here's the regular exposed bolt one, like in my top photo.
http://www.trickmarine.net/productdetail.cfm?productid=45

[Jyruiz]

It says Rex marine in the photo so I guess try them.
Duh! I feel stupid now.

[vette4jja]

I would love to push my drive showers off on you guys but to one boater to another. I got to tell you, Every drive shower cap/hat design on the market today does very little to cool your drive oil. It might help the white chalky build up and they look cool but thats all they do. I spent all summer testing every drive showers I could get my hands on. Every single cap design I tested was on the bottom of the list for perfromance. If you want a drive shower that does something get one of Simrek's showers or better yet one of my drive showers. Please don't buy one of the shower cap/hat designs because they look cool. That new Rex Marine scoop design picks up less water than their other design. I have tested both of them.......Sorry for the spam......
www.justwickedmarine.com

[Jyruiz]

Any chance you can show me a pic of the blue one?

[vette4jja]

Pictures never shows how the color really looks. The colors look exactly like all the marine colored trim that's out there (the anodized look). These showers are colored the exact same way. Red, Blue, Teal and Purple or Black to match the drive. Showers come with a satin finish. Polished or color cost a bit more.
We have made many new design improvement over the other shower designs. The 45deg deflection pick-up ports (picks up more water), the 21 fan spray dump ports (covers more drive surface area), pick-up ports are adjustable and adjustable mounting brackets. With a LIFETIME WARRANTY
Take a look at our site and see the pictures of this shower at work. It is impressive. Lots of performance data on other designs and our design.
Thanks
www.justwickedmarine.com

[Jyruiz]

Thanks Vette, I think I am going to go with a black one.

[Rexone]

Yeah thanks Vette.
First...
Sorry for the spam
Actually I don't think you are. Just a guess as you posted the same before this and after this. And out of 4 posts 3 of them are spamming your stuff and slamming everyone elses.
Just Wicked Marine has just designed a drive shower that out performs the Simrek showers
Then in the next breath you say...
If you want a drive shower that does something get one of Simrek's showers or better yet one of my drive showers
The truth is, it appears you've actually copied Simrek's design just changing the pickup enough to try and skirt around their patent on it. Good luck.
And it stated on your website you have the patent process started. If that were so I'd get "patent pending" on that thing right away so someone doesn't copy you too. Of course if you haven't actually filed I fully understand why it isn't there as that would be breaking the law.
Then
Please don't buy one of the shower cap/hat designs because they look cool. That new Rex Marine scoop design picks up less water than their other design. I have tested both of them
You're a real class act there Vette. The fact is, determined by extensive testing, that our new pickup design picks up more water and at higher trim angles consistantly over the older 45 tube design. In fact we could not trim high enough on any boat we ran it on to run it out of water because it doesn't rely on the water stream below the drive's plate but on the water stream that adhere's to the plates surface. It's actually quite effective. And we didn't just copy Simrek's design and try to change it enough to skirt their patent. Ours is completely different, picks up on a different concept, and looks & works nothing like the traditional tube design pickup most other drive showers use.
Now having said that, we also offer a lifetime warranty. So I "challenge" you to return both of the Rex showers you've "tested" since you're obviously unhappy with their performance. I will give you full credit as long as you haven't run over them with your truck or something. And that goes for anyone. I know they work so I'm not at all reluctant to give anyone their money back that doesn't like the performance or the way the "It's Cool™" Shower looks. It's a no risk deal. There may be some boat out there they won't work well on but I haven't seen it yet or heard about it.
And...
Your website contact info might need a little updating
Just Wicked Marine
1620 Keoke Ct
Satna Rosa, CA 95403
I've found with my company anyway it lends more credibility to my efforts when I spell the city I'm in correctly. Just a suggestion.
:)

[Beer-30]

As far as effectiveness, I will back you up Mr. Rexone. The HAT style that I put on keeps the drive clean. Showers don't keep drives clean because they splash water on them - per se - the chalking is prevented because of reduced temperature. The flim / chalk on the sides of the upper drive are from boiling the water and cooking the minerals onto the paint. Mine has stopped this completely.
Additionally, I have hung my head over the step and saw the water hitting the sides of the drive. No problem there. Moreover, I jumped into the water immediately after shutting off the boat from a full throttle run from Cottonwood to Katherine's. I put my hand on the sides and it was just above water temp. I let everything settle down and then checked again. It was the same temp. That was all the piece of mind I needed to let me know the shower was working.
I picked mine because I liked the look of the hat style. I noticed lots of offshore rigs with much nicer drives and engines than mine running the same shower. If it is good enough to make the big-boy's boats happy, I am sure it is good enough for mine. :cool:

[vette4jja]

Mr. Rexone (Rex Marine), My design is noting like the Simrek design. There are many drive shower manufactures making this type of drive shower and I just happen to be one of them. Like you making the Hat style drive shower as well as many others. Yes, I will concede that your design is by far the coolest looking shower on the market and I really mean that. I merely mentioned Rex MarineÂ’s design because that design was mentioned earlier in the thread. I mentioned SimrekÂ’s design because again it was mentioned earlier in the thread. My comments were posted because test after test have proven that my style of drive shower has out performed the hat style design every time. I really think you should take a look at Just Wicked MarineÂ’s drive shower design and test it against your hat design. Get a boat with a drive temp gauge and see what design provides lower drive oil temperature. I have already done it, so I know. So I challenge you. Test it. IÂ’ll send you one of my showers free. I was going to send you one anyways in hopes that you would sell my showers on your web site. I guess I blew that.
I was hoping I would get challenged, I never thought it would be Rex Marine. They don’t get much bigger than you. I mentioned in my web site that I called some drive shower manufactures. Rex Marine was one of them that I called. Your tech guys were not very helpful when I asked “what kind of drive oil temperature drop I could expect with your showers”. I called you guys twice and asked the same question twice. Not one hat style shower manufacture I called could answer that question or would answer that question. Come on, tell these guys truthfully. What kind of drive oil temperature drop could one expect with your “It’s Cool” shower? Truthfully
Thanks for catching that typo
www.justwickedmarine.com

[Rexone]

Mr. Rexone (Rex Marine), My design is noting like the Simrek design. There are many drive shower manufactures making this type of drive shower and I just happen to be one of them. Like you making the Hat style drive shower as well as many others. Yes, I will concede that your design is by far the coolest looking shower on the market and I really mean that. I merely mentioned Rex MarineÂ’s design because that design was mentioned earlier in the thread. I mentioned SimrekÂ’s design because again it was mentioned earlier in the thread. My comments were mentioned because test after test have proven that my style of drive shower has out performed the hat style design every time. I really think you should take a look at Just Wicked MarineÂ’s drive shower design and test it against your hat design. Get a boat with a drive temp gauge and see what design provides lower drive oil temperature. I have already done it, so I know. So I challenge you. Test it. IÂ’ll send you one of my showers free. I was going to send you one anyways in hopes that you would sell my showers on your web site. I guess I blew that.
I was hoping I would get challenged, I never thought it would be Rex Marine. They don’t get much bigger than you. I mentioned in my web site that I called some drive shower manufactures. Rex Marine was one of them that I called. Your tech guys were not very helpful when I asked “what kind of drive oil temperature drop I could expect with your showers”. I called you guys twice and asked the same question twice. Not one hat style shower manufacture I called could answer that question or would answer that question. Come on, tell these guys truthfully. What kind of drive oil temperature drop could one expect with your “It’s Cool” shower? Truthfully
Thanks for catching that typo
www.justwickedmarine.com
Vette,
In spite of the fact you chosen to ignore several of my comments regarding your forum ettiquite as it relates to spamming and slamming, I will address your questions regarding temperature.
We know and it's well documented in prior tests that our older plate type 45º tube pickup shower reduces drive temperature between 30º to 40ºF depending on numerous variables including ambient and water temperatures. A drive oil temperature range of between 180º to 190º is a regular and normal result using this type of shower. This is recorded in several magazine tests many years ago.
We also know that the above mentioned shower with the 45º tube pickup can have water supply problems in certain conditions, mainly boats with higher x-dimensions at high trim angles. It's not a universal problem that occurs on every boat in this category but it did / does exist on certain boats.
We also know that any plate dump or tube dump design loses a good portion of the water flow from the splash factor away from the drive surface.
Given those things we "do know" above, common sense tells us that if we use a more efficient pickup design (which we have developed in the It's Cool™ Shower) and incorporate the water outlet bar under a shroud that channels all the water around the top cap and down the sides of the drive, that would be a big improvement from the older shower design. So given that we had a 30º to 40º reduction with the old more inefficient shower we know the cooling is substantially increased from that level with this design because the pickup is much more efficient and the water routing around the drive is much improved.
I have not tested the temp yet but I can tell you after long hard passes with the "It's Cool™" Shower you can lay your hand on the drive. Not for extended periods but you can definately lay your hand on it a few seconds without extensive discomfort. I believe human tolerance for heat is in the range of 140ºF. This informal test tells me we are on the right track. While the oil inside is likely higher temp than the drive externally the difference will not be that great and we already know this shower is more efficient than the old style shower, which is documented in tests in the 180º oil temp range.
But we get back to the same old question that's been debated for a decade or more. That is how much reduction below the 180º to 190º range provides much further benefit and at what point does oil actually get too cool (in cruise mode) to provide proper lubrication. These questions have been debated in a number of circles and I know of no definitive answer to date. My feeling is though that anything under 160º to 170º on oil temp in the drive provides no additional benefit or longevity. I also feel in most applications the "It's Cool™" single pickup design is already in that range without question. For severe applications, we have a dual pickup version on the drawing board which will likely go into production soon. This one, just doing the math will definately be in that range even with big power and lots of wide open throttle running. And I'd have no problem accepting your challenge in an apple to apple dual pickup test scenario. I already know the temps will be similar and my guess is ours under the shroud will have the edge. That's just a hunch though.
So considering all that, anyone considering a drive shower has to ask themselves a couple questions. One, how cool is enough for my boat considering the way I run it? And two, what level of attractiveness do I desire or demand on the back of my drive? This is a personal decision every boater has to answer for him or her self.
Frankly I think most the tubular showers are not that attractive (just my opinion) and I'm not picking on your design in particular Vette. I prefer the look of the smooth cap that also allows you to step on if you so desire and not tear the hell out of your feet. We toiled for quite some time finding a design and method that was acceptable to not use any external bolts and still get the job done. I'm sure it will be copied soon (in fact I'm aware of efforts by competitors in that regard already) but that's just the way most in the marine parts biz operate. Much easier to copy than think of anything new or really different. Most tweek or reshape it a little and call themselves inventors. Some just flat out copy stuff and still call themselves inventors.
And one point I disagree with you on is your similarity to the Simrek design. Looking at the pics of both they appear very similar cosmetically and I'm sure are close in functionality as well. Is the tube shape a little different. Yes it is. But there's no new concept going on there. But hey sometimes people just have to agree to disagree and let it be.
Hope I adequately answered your questions.

[Jyruiz]

Rexone,
how long before the dual pickup model is available for sale?

[phebus]

And, Rexone, will the pick-up mount in the same hole as the Simrek one did on the cavitation plate? I like the looks and the step feature of your top cap design, but already have a hole in the cav. plate.

[Rexone]

And, Rexone, will the pick-up mount in the same hole as the Simrek one did on the cavitation plate? I like the looks and the step feature of your top cap design, but already have a hole in the cav. plate.
The present pickup requires a 1/2" hole. I'm not sure what Simrek requires as I've never installed one but my guess is it's the same on the hole size. I'm considering increasing the hole size on the dual to a 5/8 which would allow a full 1/2" flow through the fitting using a #10 hose rather than #8. I haven't made that decision yet though. It increases the cost to go this direction and again we get back to the how cool is too cool question.
So they will be either 1/2 or 5/8 hole (to be determined).

[Rexone]

Rexone,
how long before the dual pickup model is available for sale?
The Dual Pickup It's Cool Showers will be shipping next week. We started shipping the re-designed Single pickup model (-10 AN) this week. The pickups and spraybars have been redesigned in both models to channel even more water down the sides of the drive than the first version of the It's Cool Shower. I will have some new water flow pictures posted shortly. The water flow is impressive, even at lower pressures than the drive shower would normally see in operation. Unlike cover type drive showers that just dump water on the top cap and hope for the best on cooling the sides, these new models are specifically designed to channel water down the sides of the drive. The only part of the shower that remained the same is the boltless cover. It still looks smooth and Cool.
Models for both Bravo One and Bravo Three are available in both Single and Dual Pickup models.
We are working on one for the new finned cap deal too but it's not done yet.
Phebus....
The pickup (Single or Dual) requires a 5/8" hole. If you have a 1/2" hole now you can simply enlarge it 1/8" to 5/8".

[phebus]

Rex, thank you for posting the updated info, and thank you for your business integrity.
I will definately be looking at getting the new dual pickup drive shower.
Rick

[Sleek316]

Hello Rex One
I appreciate your candor to the previous above I happen to have the Dana Marine Version Shower ordered and have no idea when they will actually be available. I presume they are similar to yours maybe even the same manufacturer.
Yours cost a little more but I want one to install and am tired of waiting.
Do you have any in stock?

[Beer-30]

I got mine pictured above from Trick Marine. Good price and looks great to me! Works just as well. Quit waiting. The other style is available right now.

[Rexone]

Hello Rex One
I appreciate your candor to the previous above I happen to have the Dana Marine Version Shower ordered and have no idea when they will actually be available. I presume they are similar to yours maybe even the same manufacturer.
Yours cost a little more but I want one to install and am tired of waiting.
Do you have any in stock?
Yes Sleek we have in stock (I will have another batch coming in from polish this afternoon to be more accurate). That is the single pickup model.
Dual pickups will be shipping next week.

[Rexone]

Hello Rex One
I appreciate your candor to the previous above I happen to have the Dana Marine Version Shower ordered and have no idea when they will actually be available. I presume they are similar to yours maybe even the same manufacturer.
Yours cost a little more but I want one to install and am tired of waiting.
Do you have any in stock?
I haven't seen the Dana unit other than pictures. We make our own so they are not the same product.

[Sleek316]

Picked up my Dana Dive shower on Friday. Seems like it should be something a novice mechanic could install. Guess I'm used to have my boat worked on by pros. Had to find special tools to pull the outdrive bolts, Find the tools to install the special provided Dana bolts. No single place in Havasu had the tools so I had to run all over to find. Bottom Line best looking and performing drive shower on the market. Worth the wait and now I have the tools in case I have to do it all over.
Thanks to Bob @ Dana for getting what I needed.

[Rexone]

Rex, thank you for posting the updated info, and thank you for your business integrity.
I will definately be looking at getting the new dual pickup drive shower.
Rick
Rick it looks like the Dual Pickup Model will be ready to ship tomorrow, Wed. Let me know if we can help.

[Dana Marine Products]

If anyone has a need for a good installation point in the Havasu area, I've got a good guy up there. Thanks for the good words Sleek. It's always nice to get positive feedback. Send me some pictures of that bad boy installed.

[Rexone]

Rex, thank you for posting the updated info, and thank you for your business integrity.
I will definately be looking at getting the new dual pickup drive shower.
Rick
Rick, the new dual pickup model is now available and online here (http://shopping.rexmar.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=driveshower-itscool)
Along with a new questions to ask page (http://shopping.rexmar.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=itscoolquestions)
And a few pictures of the It's Cool™ flow performance (http://shopping.rexmar.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=itscoolflow)
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/732456138.jpg
The Dual It's Cool™ Drive Shower available for Bravo One and Bravo Three
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/732456138-20.jpg http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/732456137-20lb.jpg
Photos above show the water flow from the dual pickup model and the single pickup model, both at 20 pounds. The link to the website (http://shopping.rexmar.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=itscoolflow) shows the comparisons at 10, 20, and 30 lbs.

[phebus]

Thanks Mike, I will be ordering one in the future, they look great, and the photos of the water flow are pretty impressive.
Rick

[Jyruiz]

Mike,
can we see a pic of how it is mounted on the cavitation plate?

[Rexone]

Mike,
can we see a pic of how it is mounted on the cavitation plate?
I will try to get a close up shot taken next day or so and post it. Basically it takes a 5/8 hole through the plate, the pickup scoop portion has a 5/8 threaded nipple that passes through the plate. Then a special -10 AN (outside) fitting threaded 5/8 on the inside screws down on top of the plate locking it on. The -10 braided hose then screws onto that -10 fitting. I'll get an explanitory pic shot asap and post it up.

[Nordic35Flame]

I recentlly took delivery and installed the Dana Shower, and let me tell you not only does it look like it belongs on the drive, it looks like a factory piece. It kept my drive completely cool on my cottonwood-dam run. As far as I am concerned it was more than worth the wait.

[BadKachina]

Both of you guys have some really nice looking showers (Dana and Rex). I don't think you could go wrong with either one. :rollside:
Hell, I still run the old school tube type on my drive.................

[496mag]

I found a drive shower on the internet a while back that I can not seem to locate again. This shower routed through the transom and it got its water from the raw water pump. Has anyone else seen this and know where I can find it on the web and does anyone have an opinion on this type of shower?

[Rexone]

Mike,
can we see a pic of how it is mounted on the cavitation plate?
Here are some pics. These are actually of our older -8 pickup but they mount identically. The new -10 is just larger on the fitting.
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/732drivepickup1.jpg http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/732drivepickup2.jpg
To install you drill a 5/8 hole per template that comes with the unit. The scoop pickup has a threaded nipple that passes through this hole and then the -10 AN internally threaded fitting tightens down on top and secures the pickup. It has wrench flats machined on it to tighten. Then you screw the hose on to that, again using those wrench flats to keep it from turning while the hose is tightened.
The scoop itself again is designed to flow more water than a -10 hose will flow so the smallest point in the entire water delivery is the .400 id of the spraybar tube.
:)

[Rexone]

Also these will replace the tube style showers by simply enlarging the holes in the drive's cav plate to 5/8" from 1/2" to mount the pickups (Dual pickup model has pickup on each side).

[Rexone]

I should add that these are available for Bravo 3's as well as 1's and also for drives with extensions. Just longer hoses we make by special order. The Bravo 3 dual pickup models have become quite popular the past couple months.
Also that these will not fit the late model finned cap drives. We are working of a different design for that drive configuration. No production time is yet available. Just posting it because we've been getting inquiries for it.

[Havasu Carrera]

If anyone has a Rex unit for sale used I would like to buy it for my boat as I have a (halo) style and my drive temp can go over 270*!! YEP!! I can not run very long at over about 80 or the drive temp climbs fast!!

[Rexone]

In your title you say they're no good yet you want to buy one used :confused:
I may have a dual blem available if interested at a little discount. Have to check.
What type of boat is this on?

[98 Vector 21]

In your title you say they're no good yet you want to buy one used :confused:
I may have a dual blem available if interested at a little discount. Have to check.
What type of boat is this on?
Wow about new for a XR drive with imco cap?Any news...

[Rexone]

Working on a finned cap model. Not sure if it will fit the Imco cap or not.

[Havasu Carrera]

I was trying to be funny!
My buddy bought the single feed model of yours and it works great on his 27 ft cougar and looks a million times better than mine.
Ok actually mine looks cheeeezy and his looks trick!!
My boat is twice as fast YEA almost. But anywhere over 80 I have no water to the drive and my drive temp has been as high as 270* and it only takes a few minutes to get there if that.
I would love to try one of your double feed units!!
Not to mention mine would look eaven more trick than HIS!!!
I for sure would be intrested in the (blem)
So sorry for the misunderstanding I was just trying to be funny and have been 100% sure all along your product is WWWAAAAYYYY better than the one I am using!
OH! My boat is a 257 carrera.
Thanks and I will give ya a call.

[Rexone]

We had one blem kickin around here a while back (polisher problem), I'm not sure if it was a single or a dual or whether it's been sold. I'll check for you though. We fixed it and the only part that was deformed a bit was the underside tab which had no bearing on function and wasn't visible installed.

[VegasHallett]

I had the cap style and still received some small portions of chalk on the side of the drive. I recently put on the Halo and have not had one area chalky. I'm totally satisfied with the Halo and would recommend it to anyone. Just my .02 cents!!!

[Havasu Carrera]

I would surely give you one of those (wonderfull) (NOT) Halo dealibobs in partial trade!! I bent the end closed a bit and that helped but I think it does little more than dribble a bit at speed. The Halo works wonderfull at idle when the whole drive is in the water though!!