Hot slab leak?

[core attitude]

Hot floor......hot water from cold side of spigot before cooling off.......this can't be good. :frown:

[BBTAHITI]

It's not.... can you say repipe? BTDT :yuk:

[SummitKarl]

Hot floor......hot water from cold side of spigot before cooling off.......this can't be good. :frown:
shut everything off and go check the water meter to see how bad the leak is.
stop it quick.........the water will cause the ground around it to swell and start Lifting and cracking your slab, not to mention any tile

[core attitude]

The worst part is it's right in the middle of the house. Year and a half old 20" tiles with no replacements, we're going to have to retile the whole bottom floor again I think. :cry:

[core attitude]

shut everything off and go check the water meter to see how bad the leak is.
stop it quick.........the water will cause the ground around it to swell and start Lifting and cracking your slab, not to mention any tile
Will do.......

[Havasu Hangin']

It might be cheaper to reroute the hot water out of the slab...

[RiverToysJas]

That was "call the insurance company time" when it happened at my parent's house. ;)
RTJas :D

[JetBoatRich]

My neighbor had a leak under his slab of his house, did not notice until his driveway caved in :eek:
The water undermined to the street :eek:

[BrendellaJet]

if the tiles stay put, take the water through the attic.

[SummitKarl]

The worst part is it's right in the middle of the house. Year and a half old 20" tiles with no replacements, we're going to have to retile the whole bottom floor again I think. :cry:
you should cut it at either end, and replumb with flex line through the attic

[nhbuoy]

...This sux...BUT...It (broken pipe) should be covered under your homeowner's policy...The repair itself (pipe) isn't...BUT...ensuing damage is...ie:tile floor, cutting up concrete, etc................hello aetna...

[SummitKarl]

That was "call the insurance company time" when it happened at my parent's house. ;)
RTJas :D
got to be careful on that one, make sure it's really worth it, if it's less than $2-3K in damage,,take care of it yourself, one of the first questions from a new ins co to a home owner is.......have you filed a claim in the last 3yrs. you answer determines your risk to the ins co.....

[atomickitn]

The worst part is it's right in the middle of the house. Year and a half old 20" tiles with no replacements, we're going to have to retile the whole bottom floor again I think. :cry:
nope intercept it at the meter and rerout it to run up a wall and then into the attic space then reconnect whare it needs to ,to complete the runs... good luck :smile:

[nhbuoy]

...shiat Karl...round these parts, I used to settle this type of claim for usually $20,000 and UP...Do what ya want, but I would call my public insurance adjuster, THEN call my ins company...There are MANY ins companies that want your biz...

[core attitude]

That was "call the insurance company time" when it happened at my parent's house. ;)
RTJas :D
Already did....and the plumber who is on his way.

[core attitude]

got to be careful on that one, make sure it's really worth it, if it's less than $2-3K in damage,,take care of it yourself, one of the first questions from a new ins co to a home owner is.......have you filed a claim in the last 3yrs. you answer determines your risk to the ins co.....
Called to get some info but no claim number or ID. I will know which way to go once the inspection by the plumber is complete.
If I have to retile the bottom floor because there are no matching tiles available, thats 3k + right there.

[SummitKarl]

...shiat Karl...round these parts, I used to settle this type of claim for usually $20,000 and UP...Do what ya want, but I would call my public insurance adjuster, THEN call my ins company...There are MANY ins companies that want your biz...
unfortunately in these parts, they look for any reason to up your rates or worse cancel you.....

[uvindex]

unfortunately in these parts, they look for any reason to up your rates or worse cancel you.....Not to mention get your property listed on the water leak or mold database. Big fun there!

[riverroyal]

hows old is the house?Whos the builder?It may still be under warranty.Most builders say the warranty is one year,in some cases its 10

[JB in so cal]

Hot Slab Leak.
I just found my new porn name!

[core attitude]

hows old is the house?Whos the builder?It may still be under warranty.Most builders say the warranty is one year,in some cases its 10
We are just past the warranty......go figure. Should have seen this coming a mile away. We were the last home built in this phase ...... every time someone to the right of us has a problem ....... we have the same issue with in a year ...... next door neighbor had a slab leak last year. :hammer2:

[riverroyal]

We are just past the warranty......go figure. Should have seen this coming a mile away. We were the last home built in this phase ...... every time someone to the right of us has a problem ....... we have the same issue with in a year ...... next door neighbor had a slab leak last year. :hammer2:
whos the builder?Try getting them to fix it,some builders will.If you put in a claim with your insurance you will be wishing you didnt,I had a flood on a new home that the builder said wasnt there fault,it ended up in court,we won,my insurance still cancelled me.Youve lived there just over a year?The year warranty is for basic stuff,if its a plumbing under slab leak that may fall under the 10 year warranty.Also,why is the plumbing under that slab?Most new homes stub up in the garage,then go up inside the wall to the attic of second story floor then back down to the fixtures.Plumbing isnt under slabs anymore,drains are,but not water

[SummitKarl]

hows old is the house?Whos the builder?It may still be under warranty.Most builders say the warranty is one year,in some cases its 10
standard by law is 2yr and 10yr

[riverroyal]

standard by law is 2yr and 10yr
ive always had 1 year,thats kinda why im telling core,the warranty is probably longer than he was told.That seems to be happening alot in socal now.

[core attitude]

Youve lived there just over a year?
No, we've been here just over ten if I remember right.......the neighbor was covered. We are checking into it to see what the deal is with the builder's warranty.

[riverroyal]

just over 10,,,thats why the pipes are under slab,hate to say this may be expensive.If its a repipe you need,let me know I have a close friend in elsinore whos a plumber,be a side deal for him

[core attitude]

just over 10,,,thats why the pipes are under slab,hate to say this may be expensive.If its a repipe you need,let me know I have a close friend in elsinore whos a plumber,be a side deal for him
Thanks http://www.***boat.com/ubb/icons/icon14.gif .......will do.

[Sportin' Wood]

Good luck with the slab leak, they are always a bummer. My opinion is you fix the first one if you can. In your case it sounds like tile is an issue. If you get another one you should repipe the whole house. You might consider running Pex pipe if they reroute the line. This will create less damage to your drywall. Copper pipe carries a lifetime warrenty but getting them to cover it is not likely, they have so many loop holes is not worth the paper its printed on. Rolled copper is still an aproved method of piping and there are no negitive issues if it is installed properly. I would guess that there is a tear in the sleeve or it is not sleaved where the leak is.(outside of water issues)
Builder is on the hook for 10 years.
Are you an the west side of the 15? They have some issues with water over there.

[moneysucker]

Called to get some info but no claim number or ID. I will know which way to go once the inspection by the plumber is complete.
If I have to retile the bottom floor because there are no matching tiles available, thats 3k + right there.
There is a place up here in San Jose called Bull Nose Tile, they are off Brokaw, which specializes in discontinued tiles. I have always had good luck finding what I need here. if you know what tile it is, you may be able to call and see if they have it in stock but my bet is that you will have to send a sample piece up to them and see if they can match it. I am sure there are others that do discontinued tiles but I don't know where. That is what I would try before re tiling everything.
Cy

[core attitude]

Good luck with the slab leak, they are always a bummer. My opinion is you fix the first one if you can. In your case it sounds like tile is an issue. If you get another one you should repipe the whole house. You might consider running Pex pipe if they reroute the line. This will create less damage to your drywall. Copper pipe carries a lifetime warrenty but getting them to cover it is not likely, they have so many loop holes is not worth the paper its printed on. Rolled copper is still an aproved method of piping and there are no negitive issues if it is installed properly. I would guess that there is a tear in the sleeve or it is not sleaved where the leak is.(outside of water issues)
Builder is on the hook for 10 years.
Are you an the west side of the 15? They have some issues with water over there.
Wow......thanks for all the great info.......I'm having a sit n' shit with the plumber at 8:30 to see what my options are, I'll keep this stuff in mind.
As for location, we are on the East side between the freeways.......no known problems in this area.

[core attitude]

There is a place up here in San Jose called Bull Nose Tile, they are off Brokaw, which specializes in discontinued tiles. I have always had good luck finding what I need here. if you know what tile it is, you may be able to call and see if they have it in stock but my bet is that you will have to send a sample piece up to them and see if they can match it. I am sure there are others that do discontinued tiles but I don't know where. That is what I would try before re tiling everything.
Cy
Very cool........the wife and I discussed changing the color, if we can get away with out a total retile that would be great.......I will look them up and call for info.
Thanks

[2Driver]

No, we've been here just over ten if I remember right.......the neighbor was covered. We are checking into it to see what the deal is with the builder's warranty.
Do it now while you are close to the warranty period even though out of date. I would also get your neighbors together and purse this with the correct agency ( over here we have a very strong Registrar of Contractors).
Look at it this way. If it happened once due to shoddy workmanship it is most likely going to spring a leak again and again. I know someone that went through this 4 times. Get on those sloppy Bastards!!!!!!!!!!!

[Sportin' Wood]

Do it now while you are close to the warranty period even though out of date. I would also get your neighbors together and purse this with the correct agency ( over here we have a very strong Registrar of Contractors).
Look at it this way. If it happened once due to shoddy workmanship it is most likely going to spring a leak again and again. I know someone that went through this 4 times. Get on those sloppy Bastards!!!!!!!!!!!
Wow sloppy bastards huh? Nothing like jumping on the contractors a$$ without all the facts.
There are many factors that can lead to this problem, among them being a sloppy bastard ranks low on the list. I can list a few if you so desire?
Core, You in Cal Oaks? they had a lot of sedlement problems in that area back in the late 80's built houses, Nothing like that going on is there?
I know just a little about the area because I have been doing production(tract plumbing) in southwest riverside county and north SD for the last 15 years. Hell I might even be "the sloppy bastard" that fawked up your plumbling. :) PM me the builder, I have a couple guesses who the Plumber was. Only a couple where still rolling copper 10 years ago.

[SummitKarl]

We are just past the warranty......go figure. Should have seen this coming a mile away. We were the last home built in this phase ...... every time someone to the right of us has a problem ....... we have the same issue with in a year ...... next door neighbor had a slab leak last year. :hammer2:
2 words
Class Action

[2Driver]

Wow sloppy bastards huh? Nothing like jumping on the contractors a$$ without all the facts.
Based on his comments about the other quality issues that go wrong with his neighbors homes happen in sequense to his home. I never said it was the plumber - I think you assumed that. It could have been the slab construction or perhaps they didn't let his lot settle and it was 1/2 grade 1/2 fill. I am just saying to purse the issue with the general contractor. Houses should not be problems after 10 years unless you live in Rancho Walmart phase III :D :D :D

[Sportin' Wood]

Houses should not be problems after 10 years unless you live in Rancho Walmart phase III :D :D :D
News flash! Rancho Walmart is what we build here in socal. :)

[2Driver]

News flash! Rancho Walmart is what we build here in socal. :)
I've told you a million times not to exaggerate :D :D

[Sportin' Wood]

2 words
Class Action
People wonder why a house cost so much in Cali?
The lawsuits are why I have to charge so much. I can only be insured by one of two carriers that will even wright a policy in California. Two choices thats all I have.
People want a toaster that cost 10.00 bucks and then bitch because it breaks in a year, same goes for a TV or a car. Houses are not much different I am afraid. Gone are the days that a home will last a life time. When you build a home on a 45- 60 day turn around items will come up. Anything that touches water will wear out. Thats why I chose plumbing. I will always have a job.
On a slab leak.. Good luck with a class action lawsuit. You would do no more then deflate your home value. IMO it would be real hard to prove a defect. Water and soil conditions play a big roll in slab leaks that pop up throughout a tract of homes. after 10 years?
I lived in Cal oaks ( Murrieta) about 10 years ago. I bought my home in an area that had houses sinking due to bad compaction. I got mine cheap because the owner walked away from it. It took about 10 years for 2 of the entire group to get anything and there houses damn near fell down. The rest just cried about some stucco and drywall cracks untill there homes where not worth sh!t. That whole block was depressed, and a real bummer to live with. We smiled all the way to the bank and made a healthy profit on resale.
Good luck with the plumber Core. Slab leaks happen every day all over the state. Hell some shops just do slab leak repairs it happens so much.

[Brewzed]

Is it a Centex Home?

[core attitude]

Thanks all for the info that's been provided so far. Sportin' Wood, the builder was Richmond American, we are west of Cal Oaks about a mile and just South of Clinton Keith. I don't know of any sedlement problems in this imediate area. We've always attributed the other issues to aging, and it seemed natural that the homes to our right which were built first would be affected first. It's always been fairly minor, sprinkler valves, water heaters, appliances, never anything structural, always things you would expect to occur over time. This is odd though as several others, only to my right have had similar occurrences.
I've had a few consultations and we should be up and bathing again in no time. The real bummer is that the our Ins. says they will only cover damage done by the leak not the leak repair itself. We are still investigating a work around on that issue. I'm not going to make a big deal about the whole thing, so one of my kids can't go to collage, who cares, it's not the end of the world. :D

[Brewzed]

My wife is in warranty at Centex, if it was one of their's she could have taken care of it.
I had one fixed before, it was about $1500. Thing that sucks is if you have a post-tension slab, it might be problems. My buddy had a hot water pipe break to his kitchen. They had to run the new pipe through the walls and ceiling. Everytime you use the hot water the new pipe cracks and pops and makes all kinds of noise as it heats up and cools off.

[Boatcop]

What's up with the in-slab plumbing? My house was built in 1976. All copper, all in the walls and attic.
I always thought that the minerals in the concrete would eventually eat away at the joint solder, if not the piping itself. Fresh water plumbing always has the potential to leak. Why chance having to dismantle the foundation when it does?
I agree, run new pipe from the service into the wall, up to the attic and then down to the fixtures. I re-piped about 50 townhouses in Torrance in the '70s. (galvanized to copper) Every one was 2 story, and we knocked them out, about 1 every 2 days.