PCSA Drag Race in Fontana...

[I Feel the Need...]

Anyone going? I will be running my Nova on Sat/Sun come by and say Hi...

[Flashover]

Nice ride.. What is your ET. And do you go to the super Chevy shows also? :crossx: :crossx:

[I Feel the Need...]

I have never ran it thru 1/4 so this is my first time. I'm hoping for high 12's @ 120 mph

[I Feel the Need...]

Traction will be a problem because it is so light in the rear but I'm putting on a set of slicks and hopefully I can hook up.
It won "BEST MUCSLE CAR" at the goodguys in Pomona. I'm not a car show guy but I entered that one so I could cruise in pits and bring refreshments in. and it won a trophy...

[Cole Trickle]

I have never ran it thru 1/4 so this is my first time. I'm hoping for high 12's @ 120 mph
If you bring slicks and cut atleast a 1.8 60ft you will be in the low low 12's to high 11's.(120 is alot of MPH)
Last time I ran at Fontana I was able to run a 11.7@120 on a very soft 1.79 60ft.(The weather and headwind were pretty bad that day)
Let us know how you do!
Brandin

[I Feel the Need...]

If you bring slicks and cut atleast a 1.8 60ft you will be in the low low 12's to high 11's.(120 is alot of MPH)
Last time I ran at Fontana I was able to run a 11.7@120 on a very soft 1.79 60ft.(The weather and headwind were pretty bad that day)
Let us know how you do!
Brandin
I have 3.55 gears... that's where I came up with the MPH. If I can run 5100 thru the lights I will run 120.

[Cole Trickle]

I have 3.55 gears... that's where I came up with the MPH. If I can run 5100 thru the lights I will run 120.
What is the weight and how much power/TQ are you making to the wheels?

[I Feel the Need...]

What is the weight and how much power/TQ are you making to the wheels?
I don't know that info, I think that I have about 460 HP. I guess I will have to find out on the real Dyno... The Drag strip.

[boater72]

Put some nitro in that thing? LOL I am going out to the sprint car races Sat, maybe Brandon and I will stop in on our way out. Don't forget if in dought lift for another day. :rollside:

[Captain Dan]

Anyone going? I will be running my Nova on Sat/Sun come by and say Hi...
Where can I get some info on these drags? I would like to take my son....
Both days? Day only?
Thanks.

[I Feel the Need...]

Put some nitro in that thing? LOL I am going out to the sprint car races Sat, maybe Brandon and I will stop in on our way out. Don't forget if in dought lift for another day. :rollside:
Thanks for the advise... Craig is coming out but I don't know what day, stop by.

[I Feel the Need...]

Where can I get some info on these drags? I would like to take my son....
Both days? Day only?
Thanks.
http://www.pscaracing.com/ldraceinfo2004.html

[Captain Dan]

http://www.pscaracing.com/ldraceinfo2004.html
Thanks - I'm going to check it out. :)

[Cole Trickle]

I don't know that info, I think that I have about 460 HP. I guess I will have to find out on the real Dyno... The Drag strip.
Gotcha...
I am going to go out on a limb and guess the car weighs between 3000-3500lbs before driver.
If your making 460 Flywheel HP that would equate to about 360-370 RWHP on a dyno after you take in the 20% drive train loss.
Honestly I think 120 MPH is going to be a real tuff nut to crack unless you car is making way more power than you think.(I know those Yenko 427's were nasty so you could be underestimating)
Last time out I was making 435rwhp with equates to about 505 flywheel.My car (04 Vette) weighs 3200lbs and is very aerodynamic compared to a Nova and I ran 119-121 trap speeds.
If I was to guess what you are going to run I would say:
12.3@113-114 on a good hook with slicks
12.8@114-115 with a OK hook with slicks
Please post your results so I can see how good my math/guess work is.
Have fun!!!
I will let you know the next time they have a private track day so we can go out and play wth some Vipers,Vettes and Porches.
Branin

[I Feel the Need...]

Cole,
Thanks for the info, I will let you know what the "bad boy" runs...

[HighRoller]

With those relatively tall gears you have to take two other things into account.
1.The diameter of your slicks as opposed to your street tires. Most slicks have a bigger diameter to get a larger contact patch. This will effectively make the gear ratio even taller.
2.Torque converter-How much stall and what diameter is your converter? On slicks, with basically "freeway" gears, getting below 2 seconds 60ft might be a problem with a "stock" type converter. It will probably run almost as good on the street tires, especially if you have posi-traction.
I'd run it on the street tires a few times to get a baseline and see how much it spins. Just remember, on street tires you want to avoid driving through the water box. The deep tread will trap water and make you spin off the line. Drive around the water, do a really short burnout, just enough to clean off the tires. With the slicks, don't do what most people do and "sit" in the water when you start a burnout. Drive through it and do your burnout on the other side. And most of all, HAVE FUN. Damn, this is making me itch to get another musclecar.....

[missboatnam1]

im thinking these guys may not know you work on a nhra team!

[HighRoller]

DOH! Disregard my last post.....It sounded like it was his first time at the track.....I'm still jonesing to get a fast car again. I saw they are producing new replica Camaro bodies now...Hmmmmm... :idea:

[I Feel the Need...]

DOH! Disregard my last post.....It sounded like it was his first time at the track.....I'm still jonesing to get a fast car again. I saw they are producing new replica Camaro bodies now...Hmmmmm... :idea:
No problem, I appreciate the input. I work on Nitro dragsters and but this is the first time I have ever driven a car down a race track.
My slicks are M/T 26" so the new math is that I will need to rpm 5700 in the lights to run 120 mph. So I probably will run somewhere between 113-115 mph.

[HighRoller]

Working on race cars is fun. Driving them is a hell of a lot of fun!!! Be sure to let us know what she runs.

[boater72]

[QUOTE=HighRoller]With those relatively tall gears you have to take two other things into account.
2.Torque converter-How much stall and what diameter is your converter? On slicks, with basically "freeway" gears, getting below 2 seconds 60ft might be a problem with a "stock" type converter. It will probably run almost as good on the street tires, especially if you have posi-traction.
Four speed no converter!

[I Feel the Need...]

[QUOTE=HighRoller]
Four speed no converter!
Jeff,
I have a turbo 400 tranny....

[BIGJOEDUCKSLAYER]

I Have 62 Chevy Ii Known As Early Nova That Went 11.52 @122mph W/street Tires 275-65-15 Less Shwab Specials, But I Have 400cid Small Block W/ 671 Blower 411 Posi Rear End. So You Might Run Hi 11's With Some Added Wieght In Trunk(tool Bag,sand Bags?)

[I Feel the Need...]

Gotcha...
I am going to go out on a limb and guess the car weighs between 3000-3500lbs before driver.
If your making 460 Flywheel HP that would equate to about 360-370 RWHP on a dyno after you take in the 20% drive train loss.
Honestly I think 120 MPH is going to be a real tuff nut to crack unless you car is making way more power than you think.(I know those Yenko 427's were nasty so you could be underestimating)
Last time out I was making 435rwhp with equates to about 505 flywheel.My car (04 Vette) weighs 3200lbs and is very aerodynamic compared to a Nova and I ran 119-121 trap speeds.
If I was to guess what you are going to run I would say:
12.3@113-114 on a good hook with slicks
12.8@114-115 with a OK hook with slicks
Please post your results so I can see how good my math/guess work is.
Have fun!!!
I will let you know the next time they have a private track day so we can go out and play wth some Vipers,Vettes and Porches.
Branin
Branin,
I had a fun weekend, best run was 13.88 @102 mph.
First thing I found out is that my Nova weighs 3870 lbs with me in it. Way too heavy!
2nd is that I needed to run 2nd gear out which I did on the last run.
3rd it's not set-up to drag race.
I was the happiest frist round loser, because I broke out by 7 tenths...
Is there any way you know of to figure out the horsepower with the info I gave you?
Doug

[Cole Trickle]

Branin,
I had a fun weekend, best run was 13.88 @102 mph.
First thing I found out is that my Nova weighs 3870 lbs with me in it. Way too heavy!
2nd is that I needed to run 2nd gear out which I did on the last run.
3rd it's not set-up to drag race.
I was the happiest frist round loser, because I broke out by 7 tenths...
Is there any way you know of to figure out the horsepower with the info I gave you?
Doug
Give me the MPH/60 ft on a couple more of your runs.
Did you stay in it well past the finish line?
What tires did you run?

[I Feel the Need...]

Give me the MPH/60 ft on a couple more of your runs.
Did you stay in it well past the finish line?
What tires did you run?
60ft, 2.19-2.22-2.18
MPH 101.9-102.2
tires, 26" 9"w m/t slicks
I click right after the finish line.

[Cole Trickle]

60ft, 2.19-2.22-2.18
MPH 101.9-102.2
tires, 26" 9"w m/t slicks
I click right after the finish line.
I am going to guess that the car is making 300-315 rwhp (355-375 Flywheel HP)
http://www.speedworldmotorplex.com/calc.htm
Did the car spin leaving the line? The 60fts are pretty high for running a slick
Will the car spin the tires when leaving stop light?

[I Feel the Need...]

I am going to guess that the car is making 300-315 rwhp (355-375 Flywheel HP)
http://www.speedworldmotorplex.com/calc.htm
Did the car spin leaving the line? The 60fts are pretty high for running a slick
Will the car spin the tires when leaving stop light?
It didn't feel like it, I didn't bring up the R's maybe my converter was slipping?
It will blow the street tire off when leaving from a stop sign.

[Cole Trickle]

It didn't feel like it, I didn't bring up the R's maybe my converter was slipping?
It will blow the street tire off when leaving from a stop sign.
Intresting....
Maybe the air pressure was a little low in the Slicks and it was causing you to bog the car?
With that HP and SLicks 1.860ft shouldn't have been a problem.
What RPM does your tranny stall to?

[HighRoller]

I'd say the weight and the gears are the biggest factor in the slow 60ft. Not much you can do about that if you want to drive it on the street. I'm assuming since it's a Yenko you're not gonna mess with it too much.

[I Feel the Need...]

Intresting....
Maybe the air pressure was a little low in the Slicks and it was causing you to bog the car?
With that HP and SLicks 1.860ft shouldn't have been a problem.
What RPM does your tranny stall to?
Slicks had 20lbs in them, I don't know what the tranny stall is.

[I Feel the Need...]

I'd say the weight and the gears are the biggest factor in the slow 60ft. Not much you can do about that if you want to drive it on the street. I'm assuming since it's a Yenko you're not gonna mess with it too much.
I'm with you on this... this isn't a drag car and I'm not going to change anyhing (gears/weight) so I will live with it as it is.

[Cole Trickle]

Slicks had 20lbs in them, I don't know what the tranny stall is.
Tires were aired about right...
You can check your approx stall by hitting the breaks and bringing the RPM's up.When the car starts to spin the tires that is the extent of your stall.(Since the car is a driver you probablly have a 2000-2200 stall)
13.8 is a good time for that car.Put some Nitrous on it and the times will be even better.(N20 dosen't care about gears or stall ratio)
With a days worth of practice and some minor changes we could get you into the 13.50's pretty easy.

[I Feel the Need...]

Thanks for all your help...

[76ANTHONY]

Tires were aired about right...
You can check your approx stall by hitting the breaks and bringing the RPM's up.When the car starts to spin the tires that is the extent of your stall.(Since the car is a driver you probablly have a 2000-2200 stall)
13.8 is a good time for that car.Put some Nitrous on it and the times will be even better.(N20 dosen't care about gears or stall ratio)
With a days worth of practice and some minor changes we could get you into the 13.50's pretty easy.
dam man, is there somethin you dont know about??? you'd think that head would be huge :D

[Cole Trickle]

dam man, is there somethin you dont know about??? you'd think that head would be huge :D
The guy has a Yenko!!!
I figure If I was nice enough he might offer me a ride one of these days!!!!! :p
Plus there is nothing better than smashing gears down a race track and talking about cool/fast cars.

[I Feel the Need...]

The guy has a Yenko!!!
I figure If I was nice enough he might offer me a ride one of these days!!!!! :p
Plus there is nothing better than smashing gears down a race track and talking about cool/fast cars.
You took the words right out of my mouth!!! Sure we can take a ride :220v:

[Cole Trickle]

You took the words right out of my mouth!!! Sure we can take a ride :220v:
Race you for pinks!!;)

[I Feel the Need...]

Race you for pinks!!;)
Nice try...

[Cole Trickle]

Nice try...
That thing would look sweet parked next to my vette!!! :p
Do you ever take it to Crystal Cove or Fudds?

[HighRoller]

So I guess I can cancel my plans to help you rip out the interior and fenderwells, right? :D Have you done all the bolt-on stuff yet? A pair of Flowmasters is almost mandatory on a car like that.

[DeepVee]

Good chance you were spinning the tires off the line at 20psi. I run 11 1/2 psi in my MT ET Drag slicks. More pressure will cause my car to spin off the line and lower pressure will cause it to get loose at mid track. I'd lower your pressure down to around 13psi then drop in 1/2 psi increments until the car gets loose, then go back up 1/2psi. The big block torque and short 26" tire should be able to make up for the 355 gears. If you pick up in the 60ft then you'll pick up just as much in the quarter. I agree if the power is there then you should be able to run 1.8 60ft's. Get the car hooked up then start looking at things like ignition, spark and fuel if you don't want to make any major mechanical changes to the car. Sounds like it's there you just have to find it. My car ran high 12's the first time out and now runs 11.80's @1300' with no major changes.

[I Feel the Need...]

So I guess I can cancel my plans to help you rip out the interior and fenderwells, right? :D Have you done all the bolt-on stuff yet? A pair of Flowmasters is almost mandatory on a car like that.
LOL yah, so now you have the weekend free...
Yes Flo's are on it. I was using 91 octane for Chevron and added 104 boast. Next time I'm going to get my hands on some racing fuel 101 octane. Also I have the timing set for the street, I will kick it up for the drags.

[I Feel the Need...]

Good chance you were spinning the tires off the line at 20psi. I run 11 1/2 psi in my MT ET Drag slicks. More pressure will cause my car to spin off the line and lower pressure will cause it to get loose at mid track. I'd lower your pressure down to around 13psi then drop in 1/2 psi increments until the car gets loose, then go back up 1/2psi. The big block torque and short 26" tire should be able to make up for the 355 gears. If you pick up in the 60ft then you'll pick up just as much in the quarter. I agree if the power is there then you should be able to run 1.8 60ft's. Get the car hooked up then start looking at things like ignition, spark and fuel if you don't want to make any major mechanical changes to the car. Sounds like it's there you just have to find it. My car ran high 12's the first time out and now runs 11.80's @1300' with no major changes.
What does your car weigh?

[plaster dave]

So who is in the PSCA and who isn't?

[I Feel the Need...]

Does anyone know where is the best place to buy racing gas?

[DeepVee]

What does your car weigh?
Probably 3,200-3,300 lbs. 1967 Camaro, stock body, trim and interior accept, fiberglass hood, no front inner fender wells and no back seat, but it also has the additional weight of a 6-point cage and subframe connectors.