BCS sucks a$$

[Havasu_Dreamin]

I know the idea of the BCS is only to generate a game against the number 1 & 2 to decide who is the mock national champion and the other BCS bowls are in essence exhibition games, but it is still phucked up! Oregon got SCREWED! No phuckin way an 8-4 Florida State team is deserving of a BCS bowl bid over 10-1 Oregon. But, alas, that is the system that is the BCS. And Florida will generate more money. College football needs a playoff system.

[XtrmWakeborder]

I agree 100 percent

[HOOTER SLED-]

Man, I was just shaking my head when Florida State won last night. Robbed.

[THOR]

How many ranked teams did Oregon beat. Or ND for that matter. ND doesnt deserve that shot either. FSU was in no matter since they were the conference winner. BCS had to put them in as they were the winner of a BCS conference. Who did Oregon lose to? I forget, seriously.

[Havasu_Dreamin]

How many ranked teams did Oregon beat. Or ND for that matter. ND doesnt deserve that shot either. FSU was in no matter since they were the conference winner. BCS had to put them in as they were the winner of a BCS conference. Who did Oregon lose to? I forget, seriously.
Oregon lost to $c. Bottom line, the conference tie in needs to have some sort of limit on it. A team with 4 losses!?!?!?!?! West Virgina and Florida State!?!?!?!?! WTF is that all about!?!?!?!?!

[THOR]

ranked at the time of their game.
That is the key. They didnt beat any ranked teams. Bob, I know you love the Pac10, but Oregon isnt nearly as tough as Texas.

[Flashover]

I didn't see who was playing who in the bowl games yet. Is #1 actually going to play #2 this year?

[THOR]

I didn't see who was playing who in the bowl games yet. Is #1 actually going to play #2 this year?
Yeh,
Penn St -Florida State
Ohio State- Notre Dame
Georgia - West Virginia

[Flashover]

Yeh,
Penn St -Florida State
Ohio State- Notre Dame
Georgia - West Virginia
So is it USC vs Texas then?

[THOR]

So is it USC vs Texas then?
Yes

[THOR]

Bob, I took Critical Thinking in college. That is what you implied. :)

[Flashover]

That will be sweet to actually end the year with #1 vs #2.

[Seasday]

I know the idea of the BCS is only to generate a game against the number 1 & 2 to decide who is the mock national champion and the other BCS bowls are in essence exhibition games, but it is still phucked up! Oregon got SCREWED! No phuckin way an 8-4 Florida State team is deserving of a BCS bowl bid over 10-1 Oregon. But, alas, that is the system that is the BCS. And Florida will generate more money. College football needs a playoff system.
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I actually agree with you regaring the BCS but I had to give you a little s*#t about Oregon.

[THOR]

HD, I agree that the BCS is f'd up, but Oregon and the Pac 10 showed their true colors. Very typical and expected to see a mediocre Big 12 team beat a very good Pac 10 team. No suprise in my book. Great comeback by UCLA though. That was sweet.

[Old Texan]

By the the strength of schedule data used in the BCS formula, the OK win and Fresno State loss would possibly move Texas to the No 1 spot at this point in time.
Polls mean shit. It will all happen on the field Wed nite.
HOOK EM' HORNS :rollside:

[Sane Asylum]

It's all about strenth of schedule.........Get pissed off at who puts their schedule together not the BCS guys...........They deserves what they got........
The right teams are playing for the national championship......Who gives a chit about the rest of the bowls............BCS works!!

[X-driver]

Any predictions on the OSU- Notre Dame game?
Or Texas- USC?
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[Miss Managed Assets]

My prediction=USC's gonna kick a$$!!!!(It is going to be a great game, don't think were going to see a killing on either team).
Fight on Trojans, (40 1/2 hours till kick off)

[Blacksheep]

#5 Oregon got jobbed big time. 10-1. Loss to USC. They're playing Oklahoma? in the Holiday Bowl. How can you finish #5 and not get a BCS bowl game?
They may have gotten screwed due to their record, but you can't say much when a 10-2 Oregon team loses to an 8-4 Oklahoma team 17-14 in the Holiday Bowl. That just seems to prove the BCS logic works to a point.
I agree....college football needs a playoff system, NOT the BCS!!!

[THOR]

Oregon pretty much emptied their bench so that a lot of kids could play in their last college football game. They played 3 QBs, and like 9 guys carried the football and caught the football. Class move by their coach in a meaningless bowl game.
No excuses Bob. The 4th best conference will not out play the 2nd best with the same caliber teams. The PAC 10 just cant run all day with the Big 10, Big 12 and SEC. Cant be done. The BCS still sucks and always will until there is a playoff. It doesnt work in the least little bit. Fortunately, the two best teams are in it this year. Last year and years past were different stories and the BCS f'd up.

[THOR]

BCS works!!
:rolleyes: Wow, that is the funniest thing so far this year.

[Old Texan]

Oregon pretty much emptied their bench so that a lot of kids could play in their last college football game. They played 3 QBs, and like 9 guys carried the football and caught the football. Class move by their coach in a meaningless bowl game.
So the coach sits on the recruit's couch and tells him that his senior year's last game, a bowl game, the goal of his hard work and dedication to the winning program required to reach the bowl, he will have to split time with a couple underclassman and career benchies because it is all now just meaningless?
SWB please take off the gilded glasses on your PAC 10 view. A bowl game is the prize at the end of the year these athletes and programs aim towards. Big money is on the line for the schools and conferences. Spectators and supporters spend time and money. Schools and communities spend and have the pride factor. I bet it's a big deal to the San Diego sponsors.
If Oregon thought the Holiday Bowl beneath them, why not do the "class" thing and turn down the bid. Not giving your best effort to compete and win does not show class and will not help next time when reviewed by a bowl selection committee.
Oregon just maybe gets bypassed from the BCS because they haven't built a winning image? I bet if the alumni were to read your post and find it true, there would be a coach and AD looking for work the next day.

[Sane Asylum]

:rolleyes: Wow, that is the funniest thing so far this year.
Are you saying that the #1 & #2 teams aren't playing for the national championship???
If you think someone else should be playing that may be the 2nd funniest thing.....
Besides......I was just tryin to stir the pot with the duck fans...........Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't........
Only thing that fixes it is a playoff and that ain't gunna happen.......Bowls bring entirely too much revenue......There was an estimate that a playoff scenario would leave 300-400 million on the table.......

[THOR]

Are you saying that the #1 & #2 teams aren't playing for the national championship???
If you think someone else should be playing that may be the 2nd funniest thing.....
Besides......I was just tryin to stir the pot with the duck fans...........Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't........
Only thing that fixes it is a playoff and that ain't gunna happen.......Bowls bring entirely too much revenue......There was an estimate that a playoff scenario would leave 300-400 million on the table.......
I agree that the #1 and #2 teams are playing this year. But, in the past, they havent. The BCS sucks, period.

[THOR]

Dont need the box score or the excuses. Simple fact that if you think the SEC, Big 10 and Big 12 arent that good, then the Pac 10 should just join up in the NJCAA instead and head home cuz USC is the only team worth a shit.

[Old Texan]

Oregon emptied their bench, simple as that. I can post the box score if you'd like. Every running back and wide receiver had a touch. Every QB threw a pass.
Every QB meaning 2. The third player to throw a pass was wideout Garren Strong on a trick play. Leaf came in because Dixon was ineffective.
7 Oregon players caught passes and 6 OK players caught passes. 8 Oregon rushers of which 2 were QB's as opposed to 4 OK rushers.
Leaf threw an interception with :33 left so they appear to be going for the win.
OK had 10 penalties for 166 yards and was behind in time of possesion 31:23 to 28:37. Oregon had plenty of opportunity from OK's sloppy play.
Bottom line is Oregon wasn't good enough to win on this particular day and there aren't any facts in the boxscore to backup mass substitution of the student body.

[THOR]

Oregon was still the only PAC 10 team to lose a bowl game.
Because they didnt play in any worth a crap. It isnt hard to win 8 games in the PAC 10 nor is it hard to win pre-new years bowl games. Neither are hard.

[THOR]

Who cares anyway? It was a meaningless bowl game between two teams that did not figure in the national championship game. There's only one bowl game that means anything to me at all.
The point of this post was the BCS sucks ass. Any system that rewards an 8-4 FSU team with a BCS bid over a 10-1 team ranked #6 is flawed. If you can't see that, you're flawed too.
I will concede that Oregon deserved to be there more than FSU, but you are saying that OU is good and just plain suck. USC is still the only team worth a crap in the PAC 10.

[THOR]

Apparently, not as hard as a top 10 SEC team beating a very ordinary Big 10 team. ;)
Well, you are right there, but Wisky would be 10-1 in the PAC 10.

[Old Texan]

Oregon was still the only PAC 10 team to lose a bowl game.
Cal @ 8-4 beats BYU @ 6-6 by 7 points 35-28
UCLA @ 10-2 beats Northwestern @ 7-5 50-38
PAC10 teams @ 18-6 beat 2 teams invited on past deeds @ 13-11, such an accomplishment.
Grasping for respect? :rollside:

[THOR]

Actually, I can afford to back my team cuz I am one of the few guys on here that actually WENT to the school he pulls for. I also went to UNLV, so I'll remain quiet on that count. :rolleyes:

[Old Texan]

Apparently, not as hard as a top 10 SEC team beating a very ordinary Big 10 team. ;)
Wisconsin 10-3 and No.3 in Big Ten is just an ordinary Big Ten team.
18th in BCS beat 9th in BCS in just an ordinary game.
What is ordinary? :rolleyes:

[THOR]

I think most people support the college they went to, but there's a lot of people that didn't go to college. There's nothing wrong, IMO, with rooting for a favorite college team. I'm also a big SDSU fan, because a lot of my friends went there and I remember sitting through many a Saturday night during the Marshall Faulk years. Anybody that thinks Reggie Bush is the most exciting college football player ever, never saw Marshall touch the ball at SDSU.
Here is an example. A very good friend of mine has USC crap all over him and his house, but, in the early 90's he was wearing FSU crap. Go figure.
Faulk was a freak. I remember those days. Bo Jackson was just as exciting as was Ricky Williams, as was Culpepper. I saw Culpepper when he came to AU in 1997. He is a very large man. Remember when E. Smith was at Florida?

[Old Texan]

ASU also beat Rutgers 45-40 with their 2nd string QB. BYU scored two TDs late when the game was already decided.
You know, you guys criticize a team like Oregon for not showing up to play in a crappy bowl game, then you turn around and criticize the other three teams that actually did show up and win their crappy bowl game. You can't have it both ways.
You know what Oklahoma should do? They should schedule Oregon for the first week of 2006. They tried that shiit with UCLA and got bitch slapped into 2007.
Quit getting so touchy and worked up. You constantly go on and on about PAC 10 superiority and when called on some of your "rationalizations", we are accused of picking at Oregon and such.
Saying Oregon emptied their bench is just not true, they got beat by OK plain and simple. What does it matter if they schedule them in the next season? Why not go 2 out of 3 or 3 out of 5 if they lose again. Point is they lost.
I'm a fan of college football period and enjoy the games as a whole. Specific conference dominance is a cyclical thing. Before the recent USC upswing, the PAC10 quite frankly was mediocre for a long period. The FL schools dominated for a period, SEC had their time, Big10, Big12 and so forth.
Too sit and argue there is 1 supreme conference of all time, all the time is ridiculous.
Kick back and enjoy. If your team loses, the sun will still come up the next day. And unless you have a losing gambling problem your world will be essentially unaffected. :D
As far as rooting for the school I attended as Thor mentions, I went to Central Michigan. 1 bowl appearance in their history I believe. Not much BCS in my alma mater's world. :p

[THOR]

Ok, let's get our bets down for the next game. I say ND walks away with this one.
Isay ND scores first

[Old Texan]

Are they the Chippawas?
I've never argued that the PAC-10 is a superior conference, you need to reread my posts. I just get tired of the constant criticism of the conference. A lot of those PAC-10 teams played USC very tough, much tougher than OU did last season. The conference is different, not worse. It is a pro style offense, pass happy conference. If every conference was so far superior in talent, the PAC-10 would not send so many skill position players to the NFL, period.
They are indeed the Chippewas. For now. The PC movement to remove indian names is fighting them. The "proud" tribe is the moderrn day equivalent of the Heckowees from the old sitcom F-Troop. They have a big new casino and a reservation full of alcoholics, all right in Mt. Pleasant, MI. :rollside:
The majority of your posts certainly imply the PAC10 to be the superior conference. The skill player thing you ride on alone speaks for this point. Degradation of speed and skills in the Big 10-12 as opposed to the P10 is a constant slant.
Your Pro style offense concept is a bit confusing to me. Basically it's a run and throw thing with lack of defense in many cases. There are plenty of efficient passing attacks thoughout the nation and I don't consider the P10 to have any lock on a higher efficiency secret as far as offensive theory goes. Athleticism is pretty much key to success in all programs and I do not see any specific conference or school as being dominant. Give me the right players and staff and I'll show you how the wishbone or such can still work.

[Old Texan]

Ok, let's get our bets down for the next game. I say ND walks away with this one.
Only 1 school on earth I hate more than Ohio State and that's Notre Dame. Growing up a Michigan / Michigan State fan does that to you. :rollside:
From the looks of things I'd say OSU is holding their own against the Irishmen, 14-7 @ 10:10 2nd. ND F'ed up by going for it on 4th and short. 3 points could come in handy.
OSU defensively is tough to beat as anyone.
SWB you realize these 2 teams gave UT and USC their closest games.

[X-driver]

OSU 21- ND- 7 (Half)
Not celebrating yet.......but go Buckeyes!
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[X-driver]

34-20...Buckeyes!
It was a great game..

[Old Texan]

OSU 21- ND- 7 (Half)
Not celebrating yet.......but go Buckeyes!
X-
Let 'er rip... Buckeyes looked awesome.

[beyondhelpin]

Oregon pretty much emptied their bench so that a lot of kids could play in their last college football game. They played 3 QBs, and like 9 guys carried the football and caught the football. Class move by their coach in a meaningless bowl game.
Hey you do have jokes! Funny guy!
You think Fresno St. coach was thinking the same thing?
:)

[THOR]

Not looking like a banner day for the SEC so far.
Where did WV come from? They are money.